another stupid trade idea...

[rjv]

..and this one is mine but what the hell, season is over and very little hoop on TV at this time.

but if instead of parker to toronto, how would RJ, hill and blair (or a first rounder ) work?

for the raptors they can get 2 younger players cheap and then take on an expiring contract for next year. future cap space and a couple of young, cheap players could be okay for a team that may just wind up with nothing in return.

[v2freak]

I'd rather have Hill and Blair to be honest.

[Dr. Gonzo]

http://www.meikathon.net/roflmao/facepalm.jpg

[Shastafarian]

I wouldn't give up Hill AND Blair. Especially for a guy like Bosh.

[clambake]

what do the spurs get in return?

[clambake]

oh, for bosh.

nevermind.

[TheProfessor]

I believe that any sign and trade deals with the Raptors would have to include Splitter's rights.

[DPG21920]

Of course you do this if you are the spurs. If you can get Bosh w/o giving up one of the big 3, you do it. I rip on Bosh, but he is far better than the players involved in this deal. Not to mention he fits well in theory w Tim.

[bigdog]

Oh, its cool. Go ahead and trade away the two biggest pieces for the Spurs future. Even if it was for Bosh, I wouldn't do it.

[beachwood]

I understand player loyalty and wanting the Spurs to develop young talent, but you are flat out crazy if you wouldn't trade Hill and Blair for Bosh right now.

I think Hill and Blair have potential to be really good, but that's all it is right now, potential. Bosh is proven. A front line of TD and Bosh would be unbelievable.

[Shastafarian]

I understand player loyalty and wanting the Spurs to develop young talent, but you are flat out crazy if you wouldn't trade Hill and Blair for Bosh right now.

I think Hill and Blair have potential to be really good, but that's all it is right now, potential. Bosh is proven. A front line of TD and Bosh would be unbelievable.

How does Bosh solve any defensive problems?

[phxspurfan]

Ok, then we can turn into a less talented, less long, older Lakers squad (minus Kobe).

[tdunk21]

u dont trade the future of spurs for bosh

[DPG21920]

You guys are crazy.

[beachwood]

How does Bosh solve any defensive problems?

How does Blair? Blair is good for a 2nd round pick, don't get me wrong. But it would be a mistake to build a defense around him and deem him the "centerpiece."

Bosh is a proven 20/10 guy and is only 26 years old; he's about to enter his prime years. TD and Manu have a few good years left, and I would prefer the Spurs surround him with proven talent, not potential. We have to win now, not 3 or 4 years down the line.

Bosh is a franchise caliber player who is about to enter his prime. Hill and Blair are not.

[Shastafarian]

How does Blair? Blair is good for a 2nd round pick, don't get me wrong. But it would be a mistake to build a defense around him and deem him the "centerpiece."

Bosh is a proven 20/10 guy and is only 26 years old; he's about to enter his prime years. TD and Manu have a few good years left, and I would prefer the Spurs surround him with proven talent, not potential. We have to win now, not 3 or 4 years down the line.

Bosh is a franchise caliber player who is about to enter his prime. Hill and Blair are not.

You want to trade guys making around $1 million each for a prima donna who has defensive stats like this:


Position FGA eFG% FTA iFG Reb Ast T/O Blk PF Pts PER*
PF 14.5 .500 2.8 36% 10.9 3.2 4.4 1.6 7.7 16.9 12.3
C 15.4 .537 5.7 62% 13.1 2.3 2.6 1.8 6.7 20.3 18.6

Bosh is good but he's not a leader and plays no defense. While I would love to shed RJ's contract, giving up any future to get one guy is stupid.

[dbestpro]

Unless Blair develops an outside shot that allows him to play some SF his future will remain in a reserve or limited minute role.

[Shastafarian]

Unless Blair develops an outside shot that allows him to play some SF his future will remain in a reserve or limited minute role.

lolwut

[rjv]

another issue is that if you lose RJ then who becomes the starting 3 ?

[Shastafarian]

another issue is that if you lose RJ then who becomes the starting 3 ?

Maybe our draft pick. People seem pretty high on Gee as well. There's still a lot of time until the season starts (hell there's a lot of time before the FA period begins) so who knows. I doubt we see any movement on RJ any time soon.

[beachwood]

You want to trade guys making around $1 million each for a prima donna who has defensive stats like this:


Position FGA eFG% FTA iFG Reb Ast T/O Blk PF Pts PER*
PF 14.5 .500 2.8 36% 10.9 3.2 4.4 1.6 7.7 16.9 12.3
C 15.4 .537 5.7 62% 13.1 2.3 2.6 1.8 6.7 20.3 18.6

Bosh is good but he's not a leader and plays no defense. While I would love to shed RJ's contract, giving up any future to get one guy is stupid.

As far as my eyes saw this past post season, Hill's defense is vastly OVERRATED. Again, he has potential, but as he is right now, he's no where near an elite level defender. It's silly to suggest that he is. He could be, but he's not right now.

Yes, Hill is only 24 and it's just his 2nd year in the league. But there's no way in hell I'd stake championship aspirations on Hill's potential over Bosh's proven record.

And if we're speaking on potential, because that's all anyone can really make a case for when it comes to Hill; do people think Bosh, who has just turned 26, has no room for improvement? If we're speaking of potential, does Bosh have absolutely zero room to improve as a defender?

Let me get this straight, a 24 year-old 2nd year player has potential, but a 26 year-old gold medal Olympian and All Star has none?

Also are you the guy that wrote this? I hope not. http://spursunderground.blogspot.com/2009/06/gasol-trade-new-trade-of-decade.html

[dbestpro]

The key word is "some" it is the only way he will be able to stay on the floor when the other team goes big and tries to post Blair up.

[Shastafarian]

The key word is "some" it is the only way he will be able to stay on the floor when the other team goes big and tries to post Blair up.

Blair can't guard SFs.

[Shastafarian]

As far as my eyes saw this past post season, Hill's defense is vastly OVERRATED. Again, he has potential, but as he is right now, he's no where near an elite level defender. It's silly to suggest that he is. He could be, but he's not right now.

Yes, Hill is only 24 and it's just his 2nd year in the league. But there's no way in hell I'd stake championship aspirations on Hill's potential over Bosh's proven record.

And if we're speaking on potential, because that's all anyone can really make a case for when it comes to Hill; do people think Bosh, who has just turned 26, has no room for improvement? If we're speaking of potential, does Bosh have absolutely zero room to improve as a defender?

Let me get this straight, a 24 year-old 2nd year player has potential, but a 26 year-old gold medal Olympian and All Star has none?Hill has shown more defensive potential in his 2 years than Bosh has in his 7 years. You're also mortgaging the bench to have a starting lineup that has no post defense. As we saw this year, having no bench presents a problem, no matter how good your starters are. But no, let's trade everyone for Bosh cuz he's such a great winner.

Oh he wants a max deal too.


Also are you the guy that wrote this? I hope not. http://spursunderground.blogspot.com/2009/06/gasol-trade-new-trade-of-decade.htmlWhy do you hope not?

[PDXSpursFan]

Who thinks that Bosh would want to play for the Spurs?

[Shastafarian]

Who thinks that Bosh would want to play for the Spurs?

Even if he does, he wants a max deal (among wanting to be the number 1 option). That would put the Spurs at:

Tim Duncan - $18,700,000 $21,300,000
Manu - $11,854,584 $12,981,038 $14,107,492
Parker - $13,500,000
Bosh - Max deal

You'd have 4 players making over $11 million with two making over $17 million.

[rjv]

Even if he does, he wants a max deal (among wanting to be the number 1 option). That would put the Spurs at:

Tim Duncan - $18,700,000 $21,300,000
Manu - $11,854,584 $12,981,038 $14,107,492
Parker - $13,500,000
Bosh - Max deal

You'd have 4 players making over $11 million with two making over $17 million.


the salaries of RJ, hill and blair should near 16 mill so that would put bosh near where he wants to be.

this trade also assumes you send blair because splitter comes over.

[Shastafarian]

the salaries of RJ, hill and blair should near 16 mill so that would put bosh near where he wants to be.

this trade also assumes you send blair because splitter comes over.

What I was getting at is if you trade 3 for 1, then you're gonna have to fill out your lineup with shitty bench players.

[beachwood]

Hill has shown more defensive potential in his 2 years than Bosh has in his 7 years. You're also mortgaging the bench to have a starting lineup that has no post defense. As we saw this year, having no bench presents a problem, no matter how good your starters are. But no, let's trade everyone for Bosh cuz he's such a great winner.

Oh he wants a max deal too.

Why do you hope not?

Hill has also shown more defensive potential because he plays on the Spurs and Pop is his coach. Not sure they preach defense in Toronto.

Regardless of Hill's potential, it doesn't mean squat when you're trying to win now. Hill choked in the Phx series, bottom line. He couldn't guard anyone on their team. Hill's potential in that series did not help us win any games. And Hill's potential would not help us beat the Lakers in a 7 game series against a front line of Bynum, Gasol and Odom.

You can't teach size. But you can teach defense.

[Shastafarian]

To give you some perspective, there are 3 teams in the league that will be paying two guys more than $17 million next year. 3. Out of 30. I'll let you guys guess what those teams are.

[rjv]

What I was getting at is if you trade 3 for 1, then you're gonna have to fill out your lineup with shitty bench players.


definitely depth would take a hit, especially at the small forward spot, where we are already hurting.

[IknowU]

I would trade Parker, RMJ and Bonner/Mahinimi to Minnesota for Al Jefferson and Ricky Rubio. Sounds like a fair deal to me.

[Shastafarian]

I would trade Parker, RMJ and Bonner to Minnesota for Al Jefferson and Ricky Rubio. Sounds like a fair deal to me.

:lol

I bet Kahn would take that in a heartbeat!

[IknowU]

:lol

I bet Kahn would take that in a heartbeat!

Well tbh its kinda a shit deal i guess.

Parker, Draft pick, Mahinimi and RMJ would maybe give them something to think about.

[edgar]

Oh, its cool. Go ahead and trade away the two biggest pieces for the Spurs future. Even if it was for Bosh, I wouldn't do it.

Bosh would be the future...IDIOT!

:lmao

[Big P]

Yeah lets go ahead & give away all of our young talent.

[edgar]

Yeah lets go ahead & give away all of our young talent.

Blair is projected to only be good for 4-6 years before his knees begin to catch up to 'em. He is playing on them without any ACL's so that will hinder him from having a long career. Just picture Tim Duncan but on Blair's body.

Hill is good but damn you would be stupid to want to keep him and Blair for one of the most sought for free agent in the 2010 free agency market!

And not to mention you get to keep the big 3 intact!!! Damn you would be a fucking retard not to do it. We would now be the real big 4 for at least 1 year!