Pop is considering leaving to a system that fits him better.

[Fabbs]

(AP) Gregg Popovich, or as fans like to call him "Pop" is apparantly not the only Spur (Richard Jefferson) looking for a team with a system that fits him better.
"I really miss being able to have 3 or 4 Hall of Famers in their prime on the floor at the same time along with very skilled role players, most current or ex All Stars in their own right. It allowed me to stand up once in a while and signal 4 Dumb and then fold my arms and stare, then wait til they bailed my ineffective strategies out and we'd win anyways. This allowed me to give my sardonic answers in the post game pressers, and a fair number think i was pretty witty. I miss that."

Pops wish list includes of course LeBron James, along with Dwight Howard, Kevin Durant, Kome Bryant, Derrick Rose and others. No word yet on which team plans to assemble these players so they can lure Pop.

"I won't say 'If i don't win with these players I should be fired', because I've already used up that witty line. Or maybe i will." said the crafty head coach of the Spurs.

He's won 4 titles, you know.

[Pero]

:lmao

[ffadicted]

If I was in a better mood I'd probably laugh, but this was weak

[NFGIII]

If I was in a better mood I'd probably laugh, but this was weak

Really but it's Fabbs so what do you expect?

If he had his wish Pop would have never coached here or left ASAP and the Spurs would have fewer rings but they would be playing BB the way Fabbs believes is the right way.

[davi78239]

Yea so he can take all the credit and be praised for everything.

[vander]

he should go coach the new dynasty about to be born in New Jersey: Lebron, Bosh, Lopez, Jianlian, Harris, whoever their top 3 pick is... should be enough talent for Pop, can you say 5-peat?

[Bender]

pretty good! :toast

not quite up to the pollyanna poppers thread though...

[MateoNeygro]

gay.

[Fabbs]

If I wasn't so weak I'd be in a better mood, but I'm not

NFGIII
Really but it's Fabbs so what do you expect?

If he had his wish Pop would have never coached here or left ASAP and the Spurs would have fewer rings but they would be playing BB the way Fabbs believes is the right way.

MateoNeygro
I'm not getting enough gay love

here's something to cheer you all up.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153451&highlight=PollyAnna+Poppers

[GrandeDavid]

Classic thread!! Lol

[CubanMustGo]

Maybe flabbs should consider leaving to a board that fits her better.

[DesignatedT]

this is retarded. tell me what coach has won a title without hall of famers on their team?

[Fabbs]

this is retarded. tell me what coach has won a title without hall of famers on their team?
without 3-4 HOFers. Do you really want a list?

[Sisk]

without 3-4 HOFers. Do you really want a list?

yes

[dbestpro]

(AP) It allowed me to stand up once in a while and signal 4 Dumb and then fold my arms and stare, then wait til they bailed my ineffective strategies out and we'd win anyways.

Pop would never admit to being the cause of failure. His ego will not allow for it.

[Dex]

Would be funnier if it was anybody but Fabbs bitching about Pop. No points for shock value.

[foodie2]

Would be more believable if it were spelled and punctuated properly. I don't think the AP has sunk this far yet.

[spursfaninla]

He had a disabled shell of David Robinson for a good part of his time with pop, certainly not DR in his prime.

He had manu who put up 2-3 all-star level regular seasons, but his performance in the NBA alone is very likely NOT HOF level; he gets it because of his total work.

Parker very clearly is not HOF.

Your pop hate is tired and useless. The VAST MAJORITY of coaches in the league are not as good as Pop.

Most fans complain about their coach. Most think they make mistakes and that they should be fired. Many get fired. Most do not stick around that long.

But obviously, the armchair coaches could have made the easy, right call. That is why it is such an easy job. They spend most of the regular season lounging out, going to parties. It makes sense anyone could do it.

This is not about Pop in particular. It is just that you could be talking about almost any team and the same type of complaints are made, that the coach is only successful because they had talent. IF that is the case, there are NO good coaches, just lucky ones who happen to have the best players on their teams.

[Baseline]

I've never thought Popovich was a good in-game coach, or that his substitutions were that effective overall.

Most of all, his gruff manner and doghouse effect have harmed or stunted the growth of several players. This wouldn't be as glaring a problem if Pop weren't in the front office as well, because all those guys in the doghouse or buried at he end of the bench...he and RC brought to the Spurs.

Pop's ego will not allow him to take the blame for anything - ever. Yet, he'll call his players dogs, and bury certain guys.

Pop is very fortunate to have had Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili. Period. And I'll give him credit for drafting Manu and TP an George Hill.

But bringing RJ in and then either screwing up his confidence or trying to make him something he's not was so costly a move that most guys in his position would be fired. For whatever reason, Peter Holt has extreme confidence in Pop. In my opinion, the guys need to hear another voice.

We might have overperformed against the Mavs, but our performance against Phoenix was worse than Cleveland's was against Boston. Cleveland won two games. We got swept. Mike Brown will be fired. But Pop will sit in the same seat, scowling and trying to figure out how to throw Tim to the wolves with four little guys...yet again.

[honestfool84]

But Pop will sit in the same seat, scowling and trying to figure out how to throw Tim to the wolves with four little guys...yet again.


that's EXACTLY what Pop will be doing this summer. :rolleyes

[Arrowch4]

http://waterman99.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/lame.jpg

[Dre_7]

Which Spurs title team had 4 HOFs on it?!?!

[Fabbs]

3 or 4 HOFers.
2003
DRob
Timmy Dunks
GNob
Parker*

2007
Timmy Dunks
GNob
Parker*
Bob Horry*

* I don't know if Parker will end up being HOF. He's only 27. You don't know that he will not. Ditto Bob Horry. Even if these two are not, if you do not see their talent, blow off.

[Fabbs]

I've never thought Popovich was a good in-game coach, or that his substitutions were that effective overall.

Most of all, his gruff manner and doghouse effect have harmed or stunted the growth of several players. This wouldn't be as glaring a problem if Pop weren't in the front office as well, because all those guys in the doghouse or buried at he end of the bench...he and RC brought to the Spurs.

Pop's ego will not allow him to take the blame for anything - ever. Yet, he'll call his players dogs, and bury certain guys.

Pop is very fortunate to have had Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili. Period. And I'll give him credit for drafting Manu and TP an George Hill.

But bringing RJ in and then either screwing up his confidence or trying to make him something he's not was so costly a move that most guys in his position would be fired. For whatever reason, Peter Holt has extreme confidence in Pop. In my opinion, the guys need to hear another voice.

We might have overperformed against the Mavs, but our performance against Phoenix was worse than Cleveland's was against Boston. Cleveland won two games. We got swept. Mike Brown will be fired. But Pop will sit in the same seat, scowling and trying to figure out how to throw Tim to the wolves with four little guys...yet again.
Excellent post

[Sisk]

3 or 4 HOFers.
2003
DRob
Timmy Dunks
GNob
Parker*

2007
Timmy Dunks
GNob
Parker*
Bob Horry*

* I don't know if Parker will end up being HOF. He's only 27. You don't know that he will not. Ditto Bob Horry. Even if these two are not, if you do not see their talent, blow off.

Still waiting for that list

[Gagnrath]

1999

David Robinson
Tim Duncan
Mario Ellie
Avery Johnson 4 hall of famers. Officially 3 but do you want to bet against duncan not getting into a hall?

Don't agree with the premise of article but had to fulfill the challenge.

[DMX7]

The AP is losing it's whit.

[spursfaninla]

3 or 4 HOFers.
2003
DRob (shell of his self, not prime, not HOF production at the time)
Timmy Dunks
GNob (was playing spot minutes, rookie, not HOF production)
Parker* (good player, all-star, but not HOF)

2007
Timmy Dunks
GNob (see above)
Parker* (see above)
Bob Horry* (clutch role player)

* I don't know if Parker will end up being HOF. He's only 27. You don't know that he will not. Ditto Bob Horry. Even if these two are not, if you do not see their talent, blow off.

I tightened your writing up to highlight how you did not actually answer my observations. Maybe that will help you to be more on point.

[Sisk]

1999

David Robinson
Tim Duncan
Mario Ellie
Avery Johnson 4 hall of famers. Officially 3 but do you want to bet against duncan not getting into a hall?

Don't agree with the premise of article but had to fulfill the challenge.

the challenge was to name a coach that won a title WITHOUT HOFers

[Blackjack]

I don't know about a system but he might like a different court . . .

http://www.nunukphotos.com/images/wine-vineyard-autumn-pv.jpg

Put some hoops on that sonbitch and Pop's got some vineyardball.

[Pero]

I tightened your writing up to highlight how you did not actually answer my observations. Maybe that will help you to be more on point.

Parker was an allstar in 2003? What?

[mudyez]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/basketball/nba/05/15/suns.smirk.ap/index.html?eref=sihp

nash: pop best coach in the league!

true words, even though he only wants to offend Jackson with it!

[Spurologist]

:lmao

[GSH]

The OP was kind of funny, all of your personal feuds aside. The question was: which team has won a title without HOF'ers on it? To be fair, the OP says 3-4 HOF'ers, so that should be the benchmark.

In the last 20 years, the one that stands out is probably the 03-04 Pistons. Chauncey Billups should make the HOF. But Rip Hamilton or Tayshaun Prince? Doubtful. Rasheed Wallace - not likely, Ben Wallace - definitely not. Behind that, they had guys like Elden Campbell, Chucky Atkins, and Bob Sura.

The 93-94 Rockets had Hakeem and a bunch of role players. They were really good role players like Horry, Mario Elie, Kenny Smith, and Sam Cassell. But none of them are going to the HOF. That team is the second example that says that the 03-04 Pistons weren't a fluke. You can win a Championship without even 2 HOF players.

Believe it or not, the weakest team behind that (from a HOF'er standpoint) was the 92-93 Bulls. They had Jordan and Pippen. But behind that it's guys like B.J. Armstrong, Bill Cartwright, John Paxson, and Will Perdue. Decent players, but no HOF'ers in the group.

Two superstars, and some strong role players are enough. I won't even debate some of the Spurs teams, because of the inevitible flame wars. But nobody on any of our Championship teams would have been enough to get it done without Tim Duncan. For the most part, though, every Championship team needs a couple of HOF players.

[GhosTown]

If Pop isn't fired after virtually being swept out of the playoffs two years in a row I don't know what it is going to take. Yeah, Dallas let us win a game last year, to avoid the sweep.

Pop can't coach this team anymore. Michael Finley and Mason were right and Pop was wrong. They got off or were trying to get off the Titantic.

The Spurs are not done. But Pop is. They simply needed to get more athletic at the 4 and 5 and Pop refused to believe that by over playing Bonner.

The only coach worse that Pop in the West is Dallas' Carlise, now he is truly dumb. The Spurs should FIRE Pop and Beg Avery to coach. There is still a championship left in this team's core as long as Pop is not on the bench.

[Fabbs]

If Pop isn't fired after virtually being swept out of the playoffs two years in a row I don't know what it is going to take. Yeah, Dallas let us win a game last year, to avoid the sweep.

Pop can't coach this team anymore. Michael Finley and Mason were right and Pop was wrong. They got off or were trying to get off the Titantic.

The Spurs are not done. But Pop is. They simply needed to get more athletic at the 4 and 5 and Pop refused to believe that by over playing Bonner.

The only coach worse that Pop in the West is Dallas' Carlise, now he is truly dumb. The Spurs should FIRE Pop and Beg Avery to coach. There is still a championship left in this team's core as long as Pop is not on the bench.
You guys continue to rock and it's quality posts like this that make ST a pleasure.

While i do NOT like Avery, it is hard to argue with his regular season record.
But of course regular season records do not mean Championships, do they Phoenix Suns?
In spite of the royal screw up vs Miami and similar faux paus vs Golden State, could Avery be just right for the Spurs? Worth considering.

GSH, thank you too for the Pistons, Bulls and Hakeem references, altho i will put Bob Horry in the HOF, voters may not. I was gonna post Pistons also but you expounded.

[spursfaninla]

Parker was an allstar in 2003? What?

Sorry, meant all-star level play, but not official all-star selection obviously.

It is nice to know that the fans of every team share something: they all are disappointed when they don't go as far as could be hoped, and they almost all blame the coach.

So, pop is the worst coach in the west besides dallas? Hmm. So I guess you would have liked to have Nelson then? How about a healthy version of the Nuggets coach?

Or, how about that the coach with the clippers? Since Pop is the 2nd worse coach besides carlise in dallas, all of these should be better.

Idiots.

[Cane]

Idiots.

:toast

[Fabbs]

Or, how about that the coach with the clippers? Since Pop is the 2nd worse coach besides carlise in dallas, all of these should be better.
You mean Alvin Gentry, who coached the Clippers for 3 years before coming over to Phx and owning Popovich?

Will you be coming with T_Park_Cane to the next PollyAnna Poppers meet and greet?
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153451&highlight=PollyAnna

[sananspursfan21]

wow. funny. :rolleyes

[Fabbs]

wow. funny. :rolleyes
Is the wigga in your sig who is pouting while sitting on the red car going to the bathroom?
Cause it looks funny, esp with his pants down.

You're invited to the PollyAnna Poppers meet and greet. You qualify.

[spursfaninla]

You mean Alvin Gentry, who coached the Clippers for 3 years before coming over to Phx and owning Popovich?

Will you be coming with T_Park_Cane to the next PollyAnna Poppers meet and greet?
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153451&highlight=PollyAnna

Ok, gentry is a very good coach. But he does have a deeper team than the spurs, no doubt.

You mentioned that Avery should be considered; that is crazy talk. He has dropped off the map of coaching discussions for a reason; he brings the negatives of larry brown without as many of the positives. He is not superior to pop in any way. Pop has not lost his team either.

how about the following coaches:

Kurt rambis
jeff bower
jay triano
flip saunders
paul westphal
eddie jordan
mike d'antoni
Lionel Hollins
John Keuster
mike brown
vinnie del negro

Name ones "better" than pop. Since he is the 2nd worst coach in the league, it should be easy.

[Cane]

You mean Alvin Gentry, who coached the Clippers for 3 years before coming over to Phx and owning Popovich?

Will you be coming with T_Park_Cane to the next PollyAnna Poppers meet and greet?
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153451&highlight=PollyAnna

Who the fuck is T Park? You're a god damn idiot.

[Blake]

(AP) Gregg Popovich, or as fans like to call him "Pop" is apparantly not the only Spur (Richard Jefferson) looking for a team with a system that fits him better.
"I really miss being able to have 3 or 4 Hall of Famers in their prime on the floor at the same time along with very skilled role players, most current or ex All Stars in their own right. It allowed me to stand up once in a while and signal 4 Dumb and then fold my arms and stare, then wait til they bailed my ineffective strategies out and we'd win anyways. This allowed me to give my sardonic answers in the post game pressers, and a fair number think i was pretty witty. I miss that."

Pops wish list includes of course LeBron James, along with Dwight Howard, Kevin Durant, Kome Bryant, Derrick Rose and others. No word yet on which team plans to assemble these players so they can lure Pop.

"I won't say 'If i don't win with these players I should be fired', because I've already used up that witty line. Or maybe i will." said the crafty head coach of the Spurs.

He's won 4 titles, you know.

so is Pop looking for a system that fits him better or is he wanting to go to a team with better players?

I don't think this is really an AP report.

[cantthinkofanything]

this is retarded. tell me what coach has won a title without hall of famers on their team?

Larry Brown - 2004 Pistons
Probably 0 HOF's
Maybe 1 depending if Elden Cambell the atomic camel gets in

[sananspursfan21]

Is the wigga in your sig who is pouting while sitting on the red car going to the bathroom?
Cause it looks funny, esp with his pants down.

You're invited to the PollyAnna Poppers meet and greet. You qualify.


what? a black man can't be a "wigga". that sucked worse than the thread man

[Fabbs]

what? a black man can't be a "wigga". that sucked worse than the thread man
Oh but they can, and are B-Rad.

[sananspursfan21]

Oh but they can, and are B-Rad.


you're stupid, what makes you think i'm white?

[MultiTroll]

the challenge was to name a coach that won a title WITHOUT HOFers
Larry Brown

[rastaspur]

Larry Brown

Chauncy billups will make the hof. Probably not a first ballot guy, but he will make it in. Rasheed is also a longshot to make it.

[Mikeanaro]

This is the best system for Pop right now.

http://www.ballew.org/images/78Chief01.jpg