We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all people are created equal

[Wild Cobra]

Declaration of Independence gets PC revision for kids (http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=110635)

Even in subtle ways, intentional teaching our children incorrect facts about our history should be a high crime. When will liberals stop turning our schools into indoctrination centers?

[jack sommerset]

No american should be ashamed of our history. They should learn from it but never have someone re-write it.

[Nbadan]

"Instead of saying 'all men are created equal,' it says 'all people are created equal,'" Leo noted. "Are we going to tell kids what the actual document says or are we going to change words in those documents to be politically correct ... How can you change a historical document and not present it to students as written?"

Seriously? Your party is completely corrupt and you post this?

[jack sommerset]

Seriously? Your party is completely corrupt and you post this?

What does your party stand for?

[DJ Mbenga]

seriously people, just quote the damn passage 100 % accurate. the end.

[Sisk]

So much fail.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Declaration of Independence gets PC revision for kids (http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=110635)

Even in subtle ways, intentional teaching our children incorrect facts about our history should be a high crime. When will liberals stop turning our schools into indoctrination centers?

so they changed theword men and replaced it with people... oh the horrah! Indonctrination!!!!:lmao

[Stringer_Bell]

Chelsea Schilling can suck a big fat fucking herpes infested cock. Might I add, wonderful product placement for WND's own pull-out document books for purchase at their online super store!

Textbook publishers work at the behest of State Boards which tell them what they want to see in the books based on curriculum decisions they make at those meetings every so often. You know, the ones where they cut out Thomas Jefferson because was a supporter of the term "seperation of Church & State" and attempt to limit the emphasis on the theory of evolution although everyone else seems content with going along with it.

Anyway, overall that textbook sounds like it sucks. Burn it.

[jack sommerset]

so they changed theword men and replaced it with people... oh the horrah! Indonctrination!!!!:lmao

Are you on any government program, guy who hates stupid people?

[LnGrrrR]

I think it's pretty stupid to not quote it as it is. Stupid PC.

[ChumpDumper]

It's a nice opportunity to explain that things weren't always as they are today; that laws and the Constitution has changed over the years to make passages like that have a different meaning. Just quote it as is then talk about it. Kids aren't that stupid.

[Winehole23]

Just quote it as is then talk about it. Kids aren't that stupid.For better and for worse, their parents often are.

[ploto]

It's a nice opportunity to explain that things weren't always as they are today; that laws and the Constitution has changed over the years to make passages like that have a different meaning. Just quote it as is then talk about it. Kids aren't that stupid.

How can you possibly understand the issues of Slavery and the Women's Suffrage movement- and the need to amend the Constitution- if you do not know the truth about what was lacking for certain groups of people in the first place. These are probably the same people who still believe that everyone who colonized the East coast believed in religious freedom.


TCI representative Natasha Martin told the Lone Star Report that the authentic version of paragraph two in the Declaration of Independence – containing the word "men" rather than "people" – appears in the appendix

We all know how often fifth graders refer to the appendix of their textbooks.

[Wild Cobra]

Seriously? Your party is completely corrupt and you post this?
Dan, are you incapable of leaning anything?

How many times have I said I do not belong to a party?

You are seriously dumb. My voter's registration card says "Not Affiliate" in the party block. Has since the 70's.

[Wild Cobra]

so they changed theword men and replaced it with people... oh the horrah! Indonctrination!!!!:lmao
What does it say about peo9ple when they cannot get simple facts right?

What does it say about you that you think it's OK to rewrite history?

[George Gervin's Afro]

What does it say about peo9ple when they cannot get simple facts right?

What does it say about you that you think it's OK to rewrite history?

explain how it indoctrinates people..changing men to people.. how does this change history?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Are you on any government program, guy who hates stupid people?

memo to jack..back in the day 'men' = 'everyone'.....

[Wild Cobra]

explain how it indoctrinates people..changing men to people.. how does this change history?
When you have to go as far as changing the language of a document, what else are you changing for PC purposes.

These people are a threat. Lies are lies. Simple fact is the integrity that allows such lies, allows for more and more lies just to suit an agenda.

It's just wrong on so many levels. If you don't understand that, then I guess you are also one who believes in lying, cheating, stealing, etc.

[George Gervin's Afro]

When you have to go as far as changing the language of a document, what else are you changing for PC purposes.

These people are a threat. Lies are lies. Simple fact is the integrity that allows such lies, allows for more and more lies just to suit an agenda.

It's just wrong on so many levels. If you don't understand that, then I guess you are also one who believes in lying, cheating, stealing, etc.

what did the term 'men' infer in that document? or are you stating that it's only men who are created equal?

[jack sommerset]

When you have to go as far as changing the language of a document, what else are you changing for PC purposes.

These people are a threat. Lies are lies. Simple fact is the integrity that allows such lies, allows for more and more lies just to suit an agenda.

It's just wrong on so many levels. If you don't understand that, then I guess you are also one who believes in lying, cheating, stealing, etc.

George has a horse in the race. He can't think for himself and the worse thing, George thinks he is smart.

[George Gervin's Afro]

George has a horse in the race. He can't think for himself and the worse thing, George thinks he is smart.

what did men infer back then jack..very simple question..are are you stating only men are created equal?.. run away now

[jack sommerset]

what did men infer back tne jack..very simple question..are are you stating only men are created equal?.. run away now

are, are, are. You are stuttering.

You are a very stupid person, George.

[George Gervin's Afro]

are, are, are. Your stuttering.

You are a very stupid person, George.

so you don't know..I'll educate you dummy..men was intended to mean everyone...

[jack sommerset]

so you don't know..I'll educate you dummy..men was intended to mean everyone...

LOL @ you educating anyone!

I'm calling you stupid. I'm not talking about anything else with you in this thread except you are a stupid, stupid person.

[FromWayDowntown]

This, like the Texas textbook controversy before it, seems absurd. We've reached a point of over-politicization; every freaking thing in life does not come with a threat of political indoctrination or political repudiation. We can't teach Thomas Jefferson's impact on the First Amendment and we have to change the Declaration of Independence -- I guess that nobody really wants Jefferson's actual words in schools any more.

I wonder, too, if schools teach that "all men" in 2010 is very different from the way it was understood in 1776, not just because of its gender inclusivity but also because of its non-contemporaneous racial inclusivity.

[boutons_deux]

Knowing how 18th century America treated women, Indians, slaves, "All men" very probably meant "white European land-owning" men, not all mankind. I'm sure today's KKK-mode conservatives would go along with that "strict interpretation", even if they wouldn't admit it (except at closed CPAC-type gathering).

[Sisk]

memo to jack..back in the day 'men' = 'everyone'.....

Memo to YOU: men didn't include blacks, as back in the day they weren't men but property.

However, changing the actual text is completely ridiculous and another indication of how soft this country has become.

[jacobdrj]

PC is so dumb...

[NFGIII]

It seems like such a small thing, changing the word from men to people, but that's how these things get started. A little here and a little there until the document and or historical event has been changed to suit someone's perspective. Leave it alone and quote it as is. Discuss the situation and view it with a historical perspective and stop the ethnocentrism.

[DarrinS]

"men" refers to mankind. No need to change the wording -- simply retarded.

[admiralsnackbar]

Much ado about nothing. I didn't see the usual suspects give a damn when Thomas Jefferson got written out of history books.

[z0sa]

Definitely a problem and an issue to alter any source's wording when directly quoting said source. Illegal as well, I assume, in this case.

[admiralsnackbar]

Definitely a problem and an issue to alter any source's wording when directly quoting said source. Illegal as well, I assume, in this case.

Definitely an easily remedied problem, too, which is why this thread seems so unnecessarily histrionic. It isn't as though the concept of the Declaration was altered, it was just paraphrased for kids. Do the publishers deserve censure for passing a paraphrase off as a quote? Sure they do. Will they probably lose out on their next contract? Sure they will. Will a generation of kids grow up not knowing what the Declaration said? No.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Definitely an easily remedied problem, too, which is why this thread seems so unnecessarily histrionic. It isn't as though the concept of the Declaration was altered, it was just paraphrased for kids. Do the publishers deserve censure for passing a paraphrase off as a quote? Sure they do. Will they probably lose out on their next contract? Sure they will. Will a generation of kids grow up not knowing what the Declaration said? No.

This indoctrination 101. why can't you see it?

[z0sa]

Definitely an easily remedied problem, too, which is why this thread seems so unnecessarily histrionic. It isn't as though the concept of the Declaration was altered, it was just paraphrased for kids. Do the publishers deserve censure for passing a paraphrase off as a quote? Sure they do. Will they probably lose out on their next contract? Sure they will. Will a generation of kids grow up not knowing what the Declaration said? No.

oh, I agree it's "much ado over nothing", as you stated. But aren't there any standards anymore? Why can grown adults either a) gloss over their notes and paraphrase a very common and "politically-soaked" phrase or b) simply ignore the rules of English and the quote itself so they can be politically correct?

I am actually a proponent of being PC during the appropriate moments. I don't think this was one of them. Kids today need to realize, at least on some level, the context in which our history occurred, which included a large group of all-white near-plutocrats stating "men" are equal, not "people". Politicizing history will truly only lead to indoctrination, regardless of ideology, party, standard, etc. People need to know the whole truth when it comes to our history, and that's impossible without establishing context.

[admiralsnackbar]

I think the whole "politically correct" angle is an invention of the messenger. It seems just as likely -- if not more -- to believe "people" was used to make the concept clear.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I think the whole "politically correct" angle is an invention of the messenger. It seems just as likely -- if not more -- to believe "people" was used to make the concept clear.

Bingo!

[DarrinS]

I think the whole "politically correct" angle is an invention of the messenger. It seems just as likely -- if not more -- to believe "people" was used to make the concept clear.


The original version in unclear?

[admiralsnackbar]

The original version in unclear?

10-year-olds can take things pretty literally.

[George Gervin's Afro]

The original version in unclear?

that's ok darrins.. you can still be outraged..

[ploto]

It isn't as though the concept of the Declaration was altered, it was just paraphrased for kids.

It is pretty obvious that this did not apply to all people at the time it was written.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

[word]

Teaching people they are oppressed, in today's America, is outrageous. It makes a mockery of the word 'oppression'.

[admiralsnackbar]

It is pretty obvious that this did not apply to all people at the time it was written.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Agreed, and that's where the situation becomes ridiculous, doesn't it? If kids are taught the literal history of this country, the usual crybabies will say books are teaching kids to hate America (the 3/5ths compromise comes to mind since Galileo was harping on it last week, but it could be as simple as explaining to ten-year-olds that liberty was originally only for landed gentlemen of the white persuasion), but if a stream-lined version of history is presented, it becomes PC indoctrination, and Jeebus save us all.

I'm not defending mis-quoting the Declaration, but I'm also pretty sure kids can't grasp (just as some adults cannot) that the writers of said document were imperfect. If the argument is for historical accuracy down the line, then they should have the balls to accept what that may mean. Otherwise, find a better political whipping boy.