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Galileo
05-16-2010, 08:54 PM
Did the founding fathers END slavery?

YES, only a moron would think otherwise...............

These people paint a false picture of the Founding Fathers and the issue of slavery. The historical fact is that slavery was not the product of, nor was it an evil introduced by the Founders; slavery was introduced in America nearly two centuries before the Founders. In fact, Supreme Court Chief Justice John Jay noted that there had been few serious efforts to dismantle the institution of slavery prior to the Founding Fathers.

The Revolution was a turning point in the national attitude against slavery - and it was the Founders who contributed greatly to that change. In fact, one of the reasons given by Thomas Jefferson for the separation from Great Britain was a desire to rid America of the evil of slavery imposed on them by the British.

Benjamin Franklin explained that this separation from Britain was necessary since every attempt among the Colonies to end slavery had been thwarted or reversed by the British Crown. In fact, in the years following America's separation from Great Britain, many of the Founding Fathers who had owned slaves released them (e.g., John Dickinson, Ceasar Rodney, William Livingston, George Washington, George Wythe, John Randolph, and others).

It is true, however, that not all of the Founders from the South opposed slavery. According to the testimony of Thomas Jefferson, John Rutledge, and James Madison, those from North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia favored slavery.

Nevertheless, despite the support in those states for slavery, the clear majority of the Founders was opposed to this evil--and their support went beyond words.

For example, in 1774, Benjamin Franklin and Benjamin Rush founded America's first antislavery society; John Jay was president of a similar society in New York. When Constitution signer William Livingston heard of the New York society, he, as Governor of New Jersey, wrote them, offering:

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Duff McCartney
05-16-2010, 10:44 PM
I like how you link to a site that their underlying motto is "Opinions...everyones got them."

ploto
05-16-2010, 11:13 PM
Did the founding fathers END slavery?

Obviously, they did not end it.

Galileo
05-17-2010, 12:01 AM
Did the founding fathers END slavery?

Obviously, they did not end it.

They ended slavery, but not all slavery.

Winehole23
05-17-2010, 12:19 AM
What a puny denouement.

Now you think you can save it by putting a funny little tail on it. It was much more powerful posed as a simple, unassailable truth, with all the naysayers necessarily being nitwits. Disappointing.

Now you walk it back and start attaching conditions to your formerly bold assertion.

But I suppose that is only a point of guile. You throw out an outrageous hook, only to lure us into slobbering range of an even more bland generality. (One that is no less obviously wrong than the one you started with, JMO.)

Winehole23
05-17-2010, 12:19 AM
Good luck with that, G.

Winehole23
05-17-2010, 12:21 AM
As I recall the US Consitution put an expiration date on the legal importation of slaves, but none on slavery itself.

Did I take it amiss?

NFGIII
05-17-2010, 12:34 AM
Interesting but in view of our history that doesn't seem to have the impact that many would think. Let me explain: Slavery was essential to the economy of the South. Seeing how there were no "wages" this helped increase the profits of the plantations and made then rich. What increased them more was the need for cheap cotton to fuel the now budding indistrial revolution both in the USA and Europe. Textile mills needed raw materials to produce cloth for the garment industry...etc...

The fact that the Founding Fathers wanted to end slavery in the colonies may be true but it still remains that efforts to do so were pretty much futile. It took the end of the Civil War and more specifically the passage of the 13th amendment in December of 1865 to acheive that goal.

Of course the Jim Crow laws then went into effect. As one institution is abolished then another one takes its place.

With the assasination of Lincoln by Wilkes the South, though many did rejoice in that last bit of payback, would ironically suffer much more than if he had lived. With the lack of leadership in the White House and it's ability to stand up to the Northern control of Congress the "North" and the carpetbaggers reeked havoc on the South. This was an act of vengence upon the South by the North that took more than a century to undo. Our history would be much different if he had lived.

Winehole23
05-17-2010, 12:49 AM
Like you, I thought the Civil War and the Reconstruction Amendments settled slavery once and for all. If the US Constitution had really settled the question beforehand, what need for a Civil War to settle it would there have been?

In a broad way I can agree that the reaction to the government activism (at both federal and state level) of the 2nd half of the nineteenth century, persisted for a long time, perhaps even to this day, attitudinally at least. (The characterization of Reconstruction as havoc and vengeance strongly underscores the operative resentment, n'est-ce pas?)

doobs
05-17-2010, 09:54 AM
So the answer is no.

Blake
05-17-2010, 01:58 PM
So the answer is no.

only a moron would think otherwise

NFGIII
05-17-2010, 02:00 PM
So the answer is no.

Correct. And the answer is so obvious to anyone who has studied history. Maybe the title to this thread should have been "Did the Founding Fathers appose slavery and if so what means did they use to eliminate it" or something to that effect.

Lincoln was opposed to slavery but was trying to curtail it and eventually hope that it would "die on the vine". Slavery was incompatible with the nation's future and it's industrializatin.

doobs
05-17-2010, 02:08 PM
I mean, damn. 100 years is a long-ass internship.

Galileo
05-17-2010, 02:09 PM
Correct. And the answer is so obvious to anyone who has studied history. Maybe the title to this thread should have been "Did the Founding Fathers appose slavery and if so what means did they use to eliminate it" or something to that effect.

Lincoln was opposed to slavery but was trying to curtail it and eventually hope that it would "die on the vine". Slavery was incompatible with the nation's future and it's industrializatin.

Lincoln did not end slavery in America because it was still legal in Brazil until 1889.

admiralsnackbar
05-17-2010, 02:22 PM
wah wah wah wah

Blake
05-17-2010, 02:32 PM
Lincoln did not end slavery in America because it was still legal in Brazil until 1889.

only a moron would think you are clever......

NFGIII
05-17-2010, 07:38 PM
Lincoln did not end slavery in America because it was still legal in Brazil until 1889.

Weak and lame with no conection to the subject matter at all.

Statement implies the USA and not "America". If you wanted to make that distinction then say so. Don't imply something that isn't there.