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Winehole23
05-20-2010, 03:58 AM
Pre-Crime Policing (http://reason.com/archives/2010/05/19/pre-crime-policing)

A SWAT team brings in a man and seizes his legally purchased guns—for a crime no one committed

Radley Balko (http://reason.com/people/radley-balko) from the June 2010 (http://reason.com/issues/june-2010) issue


To hear them tell it, the officers who apprehended 39-year-old David Pyles on March 8 thwarted a mass murder. The cops “were able to successfully take a potentially volatile male subject into protective custody for a mental evaluation,” the Medford, Oregon, police department announced in a press release. The subject had been placed on administrative leave from his job not long before, was “very disgruntled,” and had recently purchased several firearms. “Local Law Enforcement agencies were extremely concerned that the subject was planning retaliation against his employers,” the press release said. Fortunately, Pyles “voluntarily” turned himself over to police custody, and his legally purchased firearms “were seized for safekeeping.”



This supposedly voluntary exchange involved two SWAT teams, officers from Medford and nearby Roseburg, sheriff’s deputies from Jackson and Douglas counties, and the Oregon State Police. Pyles hadn’t committed any crime; nor was he suspected of having committed one. The police never obtained a warrant for either search or arrest. They never consulted with a judge or a mental health professional before sending military-style tactical teams to take Pyles in.


“They woke me up with a phone call at about 5:50 in the morning,” Pyles says. “I looked out the window and saw the SWAT team pointing their guns at my house. The officer on the phone told me to turn myself in. I told them I would, on three conditions. I would not be handcuffed. I would not be taken off my property. And I would not be forced to get a mental health evaluation. He agreed. The second I stepped outside, they jumped me. Then they handcuffed me, took me off my property, and took me to get a mental health evaluation.”


By noon, Pyles had already been released from the Rogue Valley Medical Center with a clean bill of mental health. Four days later the Medford Police Department returned Pyles’ guns, despite telling him earlier in the week—falsely—that he would need to undergo a second background check before he could get them back. The Medford Police Department then put out a second press release, this time announcing that it had returned the “disgruntled” worker’s guns and “now considers this matter closed.”
There’s nothing wrong with looking for signs that someone is about to snap. If he is waving multiple red flags, we’d certainly want law enforcement to investigate. And obviously if someone has made specific threats, a criminal investigation should follow. But that’s a far cry from what happened to Pyles.


Pyles’ problems followed a series of grievances with his employer, the Oregon Department of Transportation. “It was never personal,” he says. “We were handling the grievances through the process stipulated in the union contract.” (Pyles declined to discuss the nature of the complaints, citing conditions in his contract.) On March 4 he was placed on administrative leave, which required him to work from home. On March 5, 6, and 7, after getting his income tax refund, he made three purchases of five firearms. Pyles describes himself as a gun enthusiast who already owned several weapons.


All three purchases required an Oregon background check, which would have prohibited the transactions had Pyles ever been convicted of a felony or a misdemeanor involving violence or been committed by the state to a mental health institution. Pyles says he has no criminal record, and he says he never threatened anyone in his office. (Later reports confirmed that Pyles never made any threat of violence.) The Oregon State Police, the Medford Police Department, and the Oregon Department of Transportation did not respond to requests for comment.


“In my opinion, the apprehension of David Pyles was a violation of Oregon’s kidnapping laws,” says James Leuenberger, a criminal defense attorney who is advising Pyles. “He definitely deserves to be compensated for what they did to him, but even if he wins a civil rights suit, that will just result in the officers’ employers paying for their mistakes.” That means the final tab will be paid by Oregon taxpayers, not the offending cops. “I want these law enforcement officials held personally responsible,” Leuenberger says. “I want them criminally charged.”


It’s hard to see that happening. Joseph Bloom, a psychiatrist at Oregon Health and Science University and an expert on civil commitment law, says the police who apprehended and detained Pyles likely were acting within the state’s laws. Bloom says the police are permitted to decide on their own to take someone in for an evaluation, and that there’s no requirement that they first consult with a judge or a mental health professional.
Bloom believes this is a wise policy. “It’s important to remember that this is a civil process,” he says. “There’s no arrest. These people aren’t being taken to jail. It’s not a criminal action.”


SWAT teams, guns, and handcuffs …but not a criminal action? And what if Pyles had refused to “voluntarily” surrender to the police? “Well, yes,” Bloom says. “I guess then it would become a criminal matter.”


If what happened to Pyles is legal in Oregon or elsewhere, we need to take a second look at the civil commitment power. Even setting aside the SWAT overkill in Medford, there’s something discomfiting about granting the government the power to yank someone from his home based only on a series of actions that were perfectly lawful.


Even if the apprehension of Pyles was legal, the seizure of his guns was not. Civil commitment laws do not authorize the police to search a private residence. According to Pyles, he closed the door behind him as he left his home. Because the police didn’t have a search warrant, they had no right to enter Pyles’ home, much less take weapons that he bought and possessed legally.


“For me,” says Pyles, “this is about civil rights. This seems like something the NRA and the ACLU can agree on. South Oregon is big gun country. If something like this can happen here, where just about everyone owns a gun, it can happen anywhere.”

Winehole23
05-20-2010, 04:02 AM
http://reason.com/blog/2010/05/19/nypd-whistleblower-says-he-was

RandomGuy
05-20-2010, 08:20 AM
Wow. It seems there is a steady drumbeat of crap like this.

It seems to paint a picture of a country that has given law enforcement a bit too much latitude.

I would be all for charging the cops in this case with an applicable crime, if it can be reasonably inferred that is what they did, although I am not wholly convinced by one lawyers opinion on that matter.

At the very least it seems like an open-and-shut lawsuit.

Johnson
05-20-2010, 09:16 AM
I have guns, but for the record, I love my job and I love my employer. I love everybody I meet, and I love all animals. I love life.

edit: how did the "authorities" know about his administrative leave problem at work anyway?

nkdlunch
05-20-2010, 09:47 AM
I have guns, but for the record, I love my job and I love my employer. I love everybody I meet, and I love all animals. I love life.


until someone crosses you right, mad max?

TeyshaBlue
05-20-2010, 10:13 AM
Wow. It seems there is a steady drumbeat of crap like this.

It seems to paint a picture of a country that has given law enforcement a bit too much latitude.

I would be all for charging the cops in this case with an applicable crime, if it can be reasonably inferred that is what they did, although I am not wholly convinced by one lawyers opinion on that matter.

At the very least it seems like an open-and-shut lawsuit.

I don't see how the city doesn't get sued to the ground. They better get their settlement checkbook out pronto.

Wild Cobra
05-20-2010, 10:46 AM
Welcome to Oregon, where the Police and State don't care about the constitution.

George Gervin's Afro
05-20-2010, 10:51 AM
Welcome to Oregon, where the Police and State don't care about the constitution.

but the letter of the law doesn't allow them to do it... That's all I have heard from the AZ law nuthuggers.. The law prohibits racial profiling..


Well I think this is a perfect example of what can happen even though the 'law prohibits it'

Stringer_Bell
05-20-2010, 10:56 AM
I have guns, but for the record, I love my job and I love my employer. I love everybody I meet, and I love all animals. I love life.

edit: how did the "authorities" know about his administrative leave problem at work anyway?

Are you suggesting there might have been some sort of conspiracy between his employer and law enforcement? Like maybe someone at the office had a friend/family member in the police department that was provided details? Hmmmm.

Also, this story is fucked up.

Wild Cobra
05-20-2010, 10:59 AM
but the letter of the law doesn't allow them to do it... That's all I have heard from the AZ law nuthuggers.. The law prohibits racial profiling..
True. I have always taken the stance that those who are suppose to uphold the law, and abuse their power, should be given the highest of penalties.

Well I think this is a perfect example of what can happen even though the 'law prohibits it'
Sure, but this law isn't going make a difference in these cases. Laws like this don't make people abuse their power. These people are already abusing their power.

Wild Cobra
05-20-2010, 11:00 AM
Also, this story is fucked up.
Welcome to Oregon.

Johnson
05-20-2010, 01:05 PM
Are you suggesting there might have been some sort of conspiracy between his employer and law enforcement? Like maybe someone at the office had a friend/family member in the police department that was provided details? Hmmmm.
maybe. I am just wondering how the so-called authorities would know about something like this. I was not aware of the existence of a "Disgruntled Employee hotline" to report the possibility of an employee going postal.

Of course, our government encourages everybody to narc on their friends and neighbors, so I could very much believe such a hotline exists in places.

Oh, Gee!!
05-20-2010, 01:11 PM
This article makes Oregon sound like Cuba.

Wild Cobra
05-20-2010, 10:43 PM
This article makes Oregon sound like Cuba.
As a whole, Oregon is a pretty nice place. In some cases we are as bad as dictatorships. We have had a liberal government for more that 20 years and been Californicated over these last 30 or so.

ElNono
05-20-2010, 11:01 PM
maybe. I am just wondering how the so-called authorities would know about something like this. I was not aware of the existence of a "Disgruntled Employee hotline" to report the possibility of an employee going postal.

Of course, our government encourages everybody to narc on their friends and neighbors, so I could very much believe such a hotline exists in places.

http://www.pleasetellushotline.com/

ElNono
05-20-2010, 11:02 PM
FWIW, I had a wonderful time while I lived in Portland and thought it was one of the nicest cities I've ever lived in.

NFGIII
05-21-2010, 12:49 AM
Minority Report!

Get 'em before they get you.