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alamo50
05-11-2005, 10:06 AM
Posted: Monday May 9, 2005 12:32PM; Updated: Monday May 9, 2005 2:36PM
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NEW YORK (AP) -- The sports trading card generating the most buzz among collectors right now doesn't feature a baseball, basketball or football player. This captivating athlete was a soccer goalie who also liked skiing, swimming, hiking and kayaking.

His name: Pope John Paul II.

A one-of-a-kind card featuring the pontiff's autograph was released earlier this year by Topps, the best known maker of baseball cards. When the pope died last month, collectors wondered whether anyone had found the card and what it might fetch in a marketplace suddenly sizzling for all things John Paul.

The location has been determined. A collector in Stockton, Calif., beat 1-in-135,475 odds and plucked the pope rarity out of a $1.50 pack of otherwise ordinary baseball cards about two weeks before the pontiff died. The day before the pope's funeral, he sold the card to Jeff Hoekstra, the manager of a collectibles store in nearby Modesto.

How much is it worth? That's what Hoekstra is trying to find out.

He paid into four figures for the card, then immediately took it to eBay seeking a hefty profit. His first auction closed at $8,100 but the sale fell through, so he offered it up again for $6,999 but got no takers. His third try began Sunday and expires next Sunday. Like the first time, he started bidding at a penny and will take whatever he can get.

Hoekstra said his first posting drew so much interest within the first hour that "if someone had offered $15,000, I would not have taken it. ... I thought I could get about $25,000 or $30,000."

Now, however, "my thinking is, day by day, this card is getting less and less valuable," said Hoekstra, who is 32 and not Catholic.

While the card's value may be dropping, interest in it remains high.

It's on the cover of the upcoming issue of Beckett Baseball, a leading trade publication, and many media outlets reported the $8,100 "sale" last week. Hoekstra's initial eBay posting has drawn 13,400 hits, with more than 600 coming since the auction closed; by comparison, the most hits he'd ever received previously was around 500 for a rare Michael Jordan card.

"The lure of this card is very much his recent death and the fact the pope was an extremely popular world leader," Beckett Baseball editor Mike Payne said. "Even if he was still living, I think the card would bring a significant figure."

Why Topps even made a pope card is a story itself.

About a decade ago, card makers rejuvenated their industry by putting "inserts" into a limited number of packages. The prizes had natural tie-ins, like autographs and pieces of jerseys and bats. Topps stretched the boundaries last year with cards featuring autographs of every U.S. president.

Since George Washington isn't around to give his John Hancock, Topps used "cut signatures" -- autographs cut out and embedded into a card. While historians might be horrified, it's an accepted, authenticated practice. And collectors love it.

So Topps responded with two sets this year: the 48-card World Treasures collection featuring a lineup of historical heavy hitters such as the pope, Napoleon Bonaparte and Winston Churchill; and a 51-card Power Brokers series that ranges from John Paul Getty and P.T. Barnum to Thomas Edison, Martin Luther King Jr. and Helen Keller.

"By taking autographs of some of the most famous people who have ever lived, it really attracts new collectors," Topps spokesman Clay Luraschi said. "That's our biggest thing. We want to bring people into the hobby."

The cards actually are pretty bland. There's no picture, just the autograph on the front and a short bio on the back. The pope's autograph looks like "J P II," a shortened version of his full signature, "Joannes Paulus II."

The pope card was "pulled," as traders say, from a box of 36 packs, said Jerry Schoolcraft, owner of Big Valley Collectibles, who unknowingly sold it. He said the lucky buyer was an infrequent customer who recently resumed collecting.

"He came back and had it in a baggie. He said, `Is this a good card?"' Schoolcraft said. "I told him if he wanted to sell, now was the time. It wasn't the kind of card to hold onto forever and ever."

Why would anyone pay so much for it, especially when a pope-signed, official Vatican photo of John Paul and Mother Teresa recently went for $1,750 on eBay?

"Really, it's about bragging rights," Payne said. "You can buy a pope autograph cheaper, but Mr. Deep Pockets wants this one."

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sa_butta
05-11-2005, 10:36 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=98015&item=5195111658&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Ed Helicopter Jones
05-11-2005, 11:02 AM
Did anyone else ever use baseball cards in the spokes of their bike to make the "click-click" sound when they rode down the street?

I can only imagine how much money I lost doing that. What a dope. No one told me those cards would be worth a lot more than my precious bicycle!

AlamoSpursFan
05-11-2005, 11:07 AM
We were too busy actually trading our baseball cards to put them in the spokes. That's what we did with the Jokers from our playing card decks. Made a higher pitched "click-click" sound.

Gatita
05-11-2005, 11:19 AM
I don't know anything about baseball cards. They only thing I ever collected were the garbage pail kids cards.

sa_butta
05-11-2005, 11:37 AM
We were too busy actually trading our baseball cards to put them in the spokes. That's what we did with the Jokers from our playing card decks. Made a higher pitched "click-click" sound.I did this as well .And it did sound a hell of lot better than those goofballs puting baseball cards in there.

sa_butta
05-11-2005, 11:38 AM
I don't know anything about baseball cards. They only thing I ever collected were the garbage pail kids cards.Didnt they come back like last year.
I never knew what happened to those fuckers,
probably worth some money now.

Gatita
05-11-2005, 11:43 AM
Didnt they come back like last year.
I never knew what happened to those fuckers,
probably worth some money now.

I bought several packs about a year and a half ago. They had them at the circle k. Talk about bringing back memories.http://www.improvingsex.com/smileys/kim.gif I used to have those suckers placed on everything.

sa_butta
05-11-2005, 11:48 AM
I bought several packs about a year and a half ago. They had them at the circle k. Talk about bringing back memories.http://www.improvingsex.com/smileys/kim.gif I used to have those suckers placed on everything.that aint no shit you should have seen the door to my bedroom when I was growing up stickers all over it including garbage pail kids. My mom threw that out when I moved out.

Gatita
05-11-2005, 11:50 AM
that aint no shit you should have seen the door to my bedroom when I was growing up stickers all over it including garbage pail kids. My mom threw that out when I moved out.

My folks would've had a shit fit if I put things up on the wall or doors. I remember a friend of mine had her bedroom walls covered with posters. She grew up, took them down and the walls looked like swiss cheese. :lol

N.Y. Johnny
05-11-2005, 05:47 PM
People will pay for cards and I had, hopefully have, them still in boxes in the garage. Mostly NFL Cards from the early 80s are good man I used to trade them for cash at shops, Comics too..only thing i regret that i sent to hell were those original Star Wars Action figures that would probably be worth alot now. Shit I used to shoot them with pellet guns and bury them in the back yard :pctoss

Ed Helicopter Jones
05-11-2005, 05:51 PM
I did this as well .And it did sound a hell of lot better than those goofballs puting baseball cards in there.

:flipoff


:lol




Actually we traded 'em too. But I never worried about creases, or protecting the corners of the cards, all that crap. I collected cards in the 1970's, starting in the early 1970's, and back then cards weren't a hot commodity.