Pendeja!

[Clandestino]

if she is so damn smart, she should've caught this by now. she could've dropped chorus as well.

Skipped Gym Class Costs Student Diploma
LAST UPDATE: 5/9/2005 6:59:10 AM
Posted By: Gabe Redondo

BOW, N.H. - A decision to take Advanced Placement biology instead of gym will cost a Bow High School senior her diploma, but it won't keep her from going to college in the fall.

Though Isabel Gottlieb is a good student, a trumpet player in the school band and holds varsity letters in three sports, she discovered last fall she was one gym class shy of having enough credits to graduate next month.

She asked for a waiver, but the school wouldn't budge, telling her instead she had to drop a class to take gym.

"Why would I drop an AP biology class to take P.E.?" the 18-year-old said. "It's just not on my priority list."

The missing credit wasn't caught by the school last spring when Gottlieb's schedule was set. The class in question is called BEST, or Building Essential Skills for Tomorrow, and is required for all Bow students to graduate.

At the Seattle high school Gottlieb attended before moving to Bow before her junior year, gym requirements often were waived for students in varsity sports. But those waivers aren't something Bow High School is willing to accept.

"Waivers vary from school to school and they're not standardized at all," said Principal George Edwards.

Gottlieb added the class last year after the school told her she had to take it, but then dropped it when she found out it was too much on top of classes she was already taking, including two Advanced Placement classes and calculus.

Both Gottlieb and her mother said the school suggested dropping either band, chorus, AP biology or calculus. But she and her mother decided sacrificing any of those would have diminished the quality of Gottlieb's education.

"I'm trying to get into college and someone isn't going to want to see someone drop an AP biology class a month into the year in order to pick up P.E.," Gottlieb said.

There will likely be no compromises in time for graduation. The class is not offered in the summer.

And it may not matter. Gottlieb already has been accepted to Trinity College in Hartford, Conn., where she plans to major in biology.

Trinity is aware of Gottlieb's situation and said that as long as she gets her General Educational Development, or GED, in time, there won't be a problem.

Gottlieb said that she already has taken the practice test and, once she hears back on that, will schedule a time to take the official version of the high school equivalency test.

Meanwhile, her mother, Ashley Warner, is planning a "non-graduation" party for her daughter.

"We realized that not graduating wasn't the end of the world," Warner said. "But it took a long time to come to that conclusion."

[MannyIsGod]

Ha, she's getting over. Good for her.

[Clandestino]

she is getting a GED... not necessarily "getting over."

[MannyIsGod]

Well, she's going to a good school and she has a bright future and she didn't take the class. I pretty much think that means she's getting over. But you know, thats just me. I actually think she's smart.

[Gatita]

Fuck it. If a GED is getting her into college more power to her. I wanted to get my GED when I was 16, my father wouldn't sign for me to do so. They weren't offering AP classes back in the day.

[MannyIsGod]

Fuck it. If a GED is getting her into college more power to her. I wanted to get my GED when I was 16, my father wouldn't sign for me to do so. They weren't offering AP classes back in the day.
I wanted to do the same thing and my mother wouldn't let me. 9 years later, she knows she made the wrong decision.

[AlamoSpursFan]

I'm thinking the lambskin from college pretty much trumps the GED on your average job application.

[Gatita]

I wanted to do the same thing and my mother wouldn't let me. 9 years later, she knows she made the wrong decision.

I was bored with High School. And I don't think it fairly measures how well you are going to do in the future by all the BS testing.

[MannyIsGod]

I didn't learn anything in HS I couldn't have learned on my own. It really was extremely boring. My mother didn't do it because she thought I wanted to just work fulltime when I was 16, but I had intentions of going to college while working.

High school really can be boring because the pace is really slow. Learning on the college level can be just as slow and boring, but you at least have the options of learning at your own pace.

[Gatita]

I agree. I began working at 16, but didn't start college till I was 22. If I believed everything they told me in High School I probably wouldn't have gone to college period. Yet, here I am 4 years later, a junior in college going 3/4 time and maintaining a 4.0 http://www.improvingsex.com/smileys/moon.gif

[travis2]

I agree...if she's going where she wants to go and majoring in what she wants to major in...then :flipoff the high school...

[MannyIsGod]

Ha, Pendja or Pendejo?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

But she and her mother decided sacrificing any of those would have diminished the quality of Gottlieb's education.

Damn those kids for trying to get a high-quality education.

[Clandestino]

so, you guys learned nothing in high school? :rolleyes

[Useruser666]

All I ever needed to know I learned in kindergarten.

[Gatita]

so, you guys learned nothing in high school? :rolleyes

I learned cheerleaders were sluts, some of the football players were gay, you could drink in Mexico all night for $10, and that school was a waste of my time. I ended up joining the "breakfast club" for not going to school half of the time and still graduating. Hmmm....what did I learn?

[Duff McCartney]

so, you guys learned nothing in high school? :rolleyes

I learned alot of things...

That I suck at sports...
That I was a big loser in high school..and still am.
That I had little if no friends in high school, and still don't.

[Clandestino]

I learned cheerleaders were sluts, some of the football players were gay, you could drink in Mexico all night for $10, and that school was a waste of my time. I ended up joining the "breakfast club" for not going to school half of the time and still graduating. Hmmm....what did I learn?

i guess, not a damn thing! haha...

[Gatita]

I learned alot of things...

That I suck at sports...
That I was a big loser in high school..and still am.
That I had little if no friends in high school, and still don't.

I'll be your friend Duff, if you let me http://www.improvingsex.com/smileys/whip3.gif

[Clandestino]

I'll be your friend Duff, if you let me http://www.improvingsex.com/smileys/whip3.gif

crazy school gatita went to! small town huh? just drinking and obvioiusly, SCREWING!

[Gatita]

crazy school gatita went to! small town huh? just drinking and obvioiusly, SCREWING!

I went to school in Houston. Yeah, it is a small town...nothing better to do...

And Yeah I get laid, it is obvious that you don't since you like to point out that I do. Don't worry hun, you'll one day find that man that will sweep you off your feet.

[Gatita]

I learned a lot in my freshman and junior year. I have no idea what I did the other two. I know my senior year I had one class a day, and that was pretty much it.

Same here...work/study.

[Clandestino]

I went to school in Houston. Yeah, it is a small town...nothing better to do...

And Yeah I get laid, it is obvious that you don't since you like to point out that I do. Don't worry hun, you'll one day find that man that will sweep you off your feet.

haha...

but that is all you talk about..

[Gatita]

haha...

but that is all you talk about..

And so do most of the men in here. What is the big deal?! If you can't take a joke and be a grown up about it, then don't worry yourself with it. I wasn't addressing you to begin with.

[Clandestino]

And so do most of the men in here. What is the big deal?! If you can't take a joke and be a grown up about it, then don't worry yourself with it. I wasn't addressing you to begin with.

you are the one who took offense to me saying you obviously learned to screw in high school.. chill beeyatch...

[Gatita]

you are the one who took offense to me saying you obviously learned to screw in high school.. chill beeyatch...

You truely are a classless prick. I already told you that I didn't want to be dealing with you. Are you that thick-headed or just stupid that you forgot? Either way. Leave me the hell alone. The only bitch around here seems to be you.

[Clandestino]

You truely are a classless prick. I already told you that I didn't want to be dealing with you. Are you that thick-headed or just stupid that you forgot? Either way. Leave me the hell alone. The only bitch around here seems to be you.

:lol

[MannyIsGod]

Did I learn anything in HS?

Well, considering I went into HS reading at a college level, and I was bored out of my mind, I'm going to say no.

[Spurgal]

It's a sad story... Why?

Because after going to school for 12 years she finds out that she can't graduate because she didn't want to take P.E.

That Is so stupid!

But, I'm happy to hear that she ain't going to give up. She's going to get her GED and continue her education...

[bigzak25]

i used to tease this girl i liked alot when i was in 7th grade.

chic should have planned for the class. school should have made a compromise. oh well, all's well that ends well. shame she can't walk the stage.

[travis2]

i used to tease this girl i liked alot when i was in 7th grade.

chic should have planned for the class. school should have made a compromise. oh well, all's well that ends well. shame she can't walk the stage.

She did. She only transferred to that school this year...and they wouldn't waive the course the same way as her prior school.

[Clandestino]

she probably has a little penis and doesn't want everyone to find out
:lmao where do you come up with this shit???

[Clandestino]

She did. She only transferred to that school this year...and they wouldn't waive the course the same way as her prior school.

why should she get a waiver? screw that... complete the requirements that everyone else does... i wanna see a picture of her...

[Clandestino]

here is the whole story... regardless, she should have just dropped the damn chorus class. she was getting into college w/o it...

http://www.yourneighborhoodnews.com/bow-times/2005/05/news/5-no-best-credit-no-graduation.html

[Rita929]

she probably has a little penis and doesn't want everyone to find out


oh man pimpo u are funny

[E20]

P.E is hella fun.
I plan on taking a year of Weights every year.

[Shelly]

I flunked P.E. one semester because I didn't dress out enough.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

this one time, in jr high PE, thispego got an award for finally bench pressing the bar

[ididnotnothat]

I learned quite a bit in HS..so much in fact that I didn't go to college and still make a comfortable living and even make more than some of my college graduate friends.

[ididnotnothat]

Did I learn anything in HS?

Well, considering I went into HS reading at a college level, and I was bored out of my mind, I'm going to say no.

So are you going to bother going to college if you are already reading at such a prestigious level?

[MannyIsGod]

So are you going to bother going to college if you are already reading at such a prestigious level?
Well, your screen name makes more and more sense each time I have to address you. Whether it's due to your sexist idiocy, you determining what is best for others, or now inability to read at a high school level I am always having to go back and point out how stupid you are.

I would hardly qualify what people consider college level reading as prestigous, but does it offend you for me to say that I was at such that level when entering High School?

So, feel free to continue being an ass, but I just dont' see what you're accomplishing.

[JoeChalupa]

I loved History in HS but afterwards I learned how much history I really missed and it wasn't the pretty history.

The History Channel is one of my favorites.

[CajunMan]

lack of notificazhion.

realizazcion....no stage recognizcion...

sad situazcion...

i don't really give a fuck though. indifferent sensazhion...

perspective recognizhion... :smokin

[scott]

here is the whole story... regardless, she should have just dropped the damn chorus class. she was getting into college w/o it...

http://www.yourneighborhoodnews.com/bow-times/2005/05/news/5-no-best-credit-no-graduation.html

She's getting into college w/o PE too... so WGAF? Are you pissed because you were forced to take PE where you were made fun of for not being able to make it to the top of the rope?

[JoeChalupa]

P.E. helped my G.P.A.

[Clandestino]

She's getting into college w/o PE too... so WGAF? Are you pissed because you were forced to take PE where you were made fun of for not being able to make it to the top of the rope?

actually, my i made several all district teams in track and football, qualified for regionals, etc... never made it to state though! that sucked... oh well...

but anyway, i just think she is stupid for not getting a high school diploma over something so trivial. and why should she be given special treatment? she doesn't.

as far as the rope goes, i was a master of that shit at the obstacle courses in the military...

[Mark in Austin]

but anyway, i just think she is stupid for not getting a high school diploma over something so trivial.

wow. you're completely missing the point. For her, the fucking PE class was trivial when compared to everything else she wanted to take. Only our fucked up educational system would insist on a student dropping an AP course or fine arts course - courses that will better prepare them for college - for a jerk off class called building essential skills of tomorrow.

My high school gave waivers for PE. It's not that uncommon.

[travis2]

actually, my i made several all district teams in track and football, qualified for regionals, etc... never made it to state though! that sucked... oh well...

but anyway, i just think she is stupid for not getting a high school diploma over something so trivial. and why should she be given special treatment? she doesn't.

as far as the rope goes, i was a master of that shit at the obstacle courses in the military...

Oh, in other words you're a typical athlete who thinks anything extracurricular outside of the {pick your sport} team is a waste of time and should be discontinued...right?

[travis2]

wow. you're completely missing the point. For her, the fucking PE class was trivial when compared to everything else she wanted to take. Only our fucked up educational system would insist on a student dropping an AP course or fine arts course - courses that will better prepare them for college - for a jerk off class called building essential skills of tomorrow.

My high school gave waivers for PE. It's not that uncommon.

Here, marching band is among the things that satisfies PE credit.

[CommanderMcBragg]

If marching band is enough why isn't walking from class to class enough to satisy PE credit?

[travis2]

If marching band is enough why isn't walking from class to class enough to satisy PE credit?

Ummmmm...how about maybe because marching band is a little more involved than walking to class?

[Clandestino]

the increasing obesity rates in the united states are perfectly fine. teach kids their body and physical health is not important. we will pay for it later in higher insurance because of diabetes, heart disease, etc...

[travis2]

Oh, please...give me a break. PE doesn't teach kids crap. They learn that stuff in their health class, which is also required.

PE is babysitting.

At least in choir, you are learning a performance skill.

And marching band is a strenuous activity.

[Clandestino]

even if p.e. sucks. she should have taken it. choir doesn't teach a skill she will need in life. she just wanted to take it to make her resume look nice to get into college. i think a high school diploma looks nicer than a choir class.

and there is this:

"By the time Bow suggested that I drop one of my AP courses to take BEST, I realized that I wouldn't have any spare time," Gottlieb said. "I wouldn't have time for band, which is huge for me, and I would have lost my one free period, which means I wouldn't have enough time for my homework."

she didn't want to lose her study hall?

[Clandestino]

actually, from what i have read she is an athlete. however, this is not just a pe class. it is like health and pe combined:

"While the two other credits were worked out, it is the remaining health and physical education class that will sideline the student athlete at the school's graduation ceremony June 18."

[travis2]

even if p.e. sucks. she should have taken it. choir doesn't teach a skill she will need in life. she just wanted to take it to make her resume look nice to get into college. i think a high school diploma looks nicer than a choir class.

and there is this:

"By the time Bow suggested that I drop one of my AP courses to take BEST, I realized that I wouldn't have any spare time," Gottlieb said. "I wouldn't have time for band, which is huge for me, and I would have lost my one free period, which means I wouldn't have enough time for my homework."

she didn't want to lose her study hall?

"Even if PE sucks, she should have taken it"...That is one of the more IDIOTIC statements I've seen here. I was just trying to get a rise out of you with my earlier implication about you being a dumb jock...but you are proving me right.

She was taking AP Biology and Calculus. Who the FUCK are you to determine whether or not she needs the study hall???

Just admit it...you are on the wrong side of this issue.

[Clandestino]

"Even if PE sucks, she should have taken it"...That is one of the more IDIOTIC statements I've seen here. I was just trying to get a rise out of you with my earlier implication about you being a dumb jock...but you are proving me right.

She was taking AP Biology and Calculus. Who the FUCK are you to determine whether or not she needs the study hall???

Just admit it...you are on the wrong side of this issue.

did you not read? it was a health and pe class combined. the majority of high schools require health to graduate. she shouldn't be exempt bc she chooses to fill her plate with other things she thinks are more important. she doesn't need a study hall. study at home.

[travis2]

did you not read? it was a health and pe class combined. the majority of high schools require health to graduate. she shouldn't be exempt bc she chooses to fill her plate with other things she thinks are more important. she doesn't need a study hall. study at home.

Who are YOU to say?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

did you not read? it was a health and pe class combined. the majority of high schools require health to graduate. she shouldn't be exempt bc she chooses to fill her plate with other things she thinks are more important. she doesn't need a study hall. study at home.

After those three weeks, a series of transfers began between Gottlieb's old school in Seattle and Bow High School. The controversy arose because in Seattle, Gottlieb's varsity-level athletic participation was worth physical education credit, whereas in Bow it is not.

I'm guessing someone at her intelligence level might know that putting an unwrapped weiner in a hoo-ha is bad and makes it fall off (Texas' required health courses).

http://www.yourneighborhoodnews.com/bow-times/2005/05/images/5-gottlieb250x322.jpg

Doesn't look unhealthy in that picture (albeit a profile shot only) and she played varsity sports.

Remeber, Clan, not all required education comes from a classroom. I'm also guessing that if her parents raised her to think of education the way she is, they also taught her (or at least pointed her in the direction) the equivalent of a health class.

I guarantee you I have learned more from working at The University Star than I would have in a classroom.

[Clandestino]

it was a health and pe class combined. the majority of schools require them. why should one student get a waiver? she shouldn't. if it was just a regular pe class, then her varsity experience, i'm sure, would have sufficed.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

it was a health and pe class combined. the majority of schools require them. why should one student get a waiver? she shouldn't. if it was just a regular pe class, then her varsity experience, i'm sure, would have sufficed.

Again, damn them kids for trying to increase the quality of THEIR education.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Clan, just because I don't want to dig through the archives, were you one of the people who supported stream-lining education for those that wanted to go into vocational fields?

Why NOT get this girl through college faster and out into the working world doing what she wants to do in life (by taking the AP courses)?

Why NOT let this girl - this girl who did well despite of/or thanks to (depending on your view) the public education systems she was a part of - show that if you do well, if you study hard and do your best to prepare yourself for the world of academia (and have sufficed to meet physical requirements and not sat on your ass studying all the time), we can let a health class slide?

Shit, let the damn girl test out right now. Somebody pick her up and ask her the health questions we were asked in our exams.

1. This is a penis. T or F.

2. This is a vagina. T or F.

3. You can acquire a sexually transmitted disease from...
A. Sexual contact with an infected person
B. Vaginal contact with an infected person
C. Anal contact with an infected person
D. Looking at anybody in a sexual fashion

[MannyIsGod]

I love how when everyone gets in debates with Clandestino, they realize just how stupid he is.

Pendejo is about right.

[Clandestino]

Clan, just because I don't want to dig through the archives, were you one of the people who supported stream-lining education for those that wanted to go into vocational fields?

Why NOT get this girl through college faster and out into the working world doing what she wants to do in life (by taking the AP courses)?

Why NOT let this girl - this girl who did well despite of/or thanks to (depending on your view) the public education systems she was a part of - show that if you do well, if you study hard and do your best to prepare yourself for the world of academia (and have sufficed to meet physical requirements and not sat on your ass studying all the time), we can let a health class slide?



school required a HEALTH class to graduate. she did not meet the requirement, nor would she work with them.

i didn't say for her to stop her AP classes. she could've dropped the study hall or the choir class.

[Useruser666]

Can you get taste lost form a fooseball table?

[Shelly]

Can you get taste lost form a fooseball table?


Fooseball is sort of an activity. I think it should count as a p.e. credit.

[Sportcamper]

This chick is sooo dumb... wasting every minute of her life with... Advanced Placement biology...Electrical Engineering courses...I could just see her now, pocket full of pens...thick glasses...all the high school was trying to do was get her to broaden her horizons & not be so focused on colige...

Who knows with a little bit of exercise she maybe could have been the next Lisa Leslie or Serena Williams or something... :smokin

[scott]

This chick has moved on yet Clandestino cannot...

[Clandestino]

This chick has moved on yet Clandestino cannot...

people keep responding, so will beeyatch..

[ididnotnothat]

Rules are rules. She knew them and made her decision.
What we have here is a failure to communicate.
She made her decision.
Now she has to live with them and if a GED is what she wants, well she gets it.

[ididnotnothat]

Well, your screen name makes more and more sense each time I have to address you. Whether it's due to your sexist idiocy, you determining what is best for others, or now inability to read at a high school level I am always having to go back and point out how stupid you are.

I would hardly qualify what people consider college level reading as prestigous, but does it offend you for me to say that I was at such that level when entering High School?

So, feel free to continue being an ass, but I just dont' see what you're accomplishing.

I'm stupid!? Well, when I look at your screen name I guess I shouldn't be surprised every time I address you. My post was a reaction to your post sounding pompous, but then since you are "MannyIsGod" I guess I should expect you to think so highly of yourself.
But your response also makes you look like an ass and I don't see what you're accomplishing either.

Anyway I didn't mean no harm but I see you went to the personal attacks by calling me stupid. At least I was acknowledging your high reading level.

[AFE7FATMAN]

Learned to screw in High School?

Why did you wait till than?

Sweet memories of 8th grade.























But than the girls in WVa we getting married at 13. :lol

[MannyIsGod]

people keep responding, so will beeyatch..
:lmao

[Gatita]

The man doesn't know when to shut up.