Roddy Beaubois vs. Geoge Hill

[mikeschy55]

If this is the next big time match up between the Mavs and Spurs then the Spurs are screwed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ5TUKA8Guw

[jermaine]

If this is the next big time match up between the Mavs and Spurs then the Spurs are screwed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ5TUKA8Guw

Why don't you pull up the video of when his coach put his ass on the bench after he brought them back! Not to play again until the game was outta reach! Post that video since he's sooo good! Lmao

[Muser]

Why Compare him to Hill? Beaubois is obviously in the ranks of LeBron and Kobe.

[mikeschy55]

Why don't you pull up the video of when his coach put his ass on the bench after he brought them back! Not to play again until the game was outta reach! Post that video since he's sooo good! Lmao

That's the video that I posted. Watch it. Besides, Rick Carlisle did that all season even when the players spoke out to the media about how Roddy needed to play. Carlisle also benched Tayshaun Prince his entire rookie season until an injury occurred in the playoƒƒs and he had to play (and blew up to).

[Roddy Beaubois]

Why Compare him to Hill? Beaubois is obviously in the ranks of LeBron and Kobe.

[mikeschy55]

Why Compare him to Hill? Beaubois is obviously in the ranks of LeBron and Kobe.

O.K.... no one's suggested that but cool. I think he can be an all-star, not a superstar.

[nkdlunch]

would you trade Roddy to Washington for the #1 pick?

[mikeschy55]

would you trade Roddy to Washington for the #1 pick?

well duh...... :rolleyes

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Roddy >>> hill

[mikeschy55]

My post indicated that he's going to be better than George Hill... not Kobe, Lebron, or the #1 pick. Don't know why everyone has to bring sarcasm.

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Why don't you pull up the video of when his coach put his ass on the bench after he brought them back! Not to play again until the game was outta reach! Post that video since he's sooo good! Lmao

good one, gayboy :tu

[Roddy Beaubois]

Roddy>Dragic>>Hill

The spurs are fucked.

[mikeschy55]

Roddy>Dragic>>Hill

The spurs are fucked.


Dragic and Hill seem to be on about the same level. It's possible they become boarder-line all-stars one day. Dragic may even be better than Hill honestly. Hill only put up 12 ppg in about 30 mpg.

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Dragic is unquestionably a more skilled player than Hill (to be fair, imho Dragic is one of the most skilled PG's in the league, period, he's just not an exceptional athlete and doesnt have the green light like others do). Hill is a well rounded player, but thats about it. He's a decent athlete, decent shooter, decent ball handler, decent defender, and the list goes on. there is nothing he really just sucks at, but there is nothing he really excels at either. Hill is about as average of a player as there is in the NBA. And nothing wrong with that. I would take Hill on the Mavs all day.

[duhoh]

My post indicated that he's going to be better than George Hill... not Kobe, Lebron, or the #1 pick. Don't know why everyone has to bring sarcasm.

welcome to the forums

[mikeschy55]

Dragic is unquestionably a more skilled player than Hill (to be fair, imho Dragic is one of the most skilled PG's in the league, period, he's just not an exceptional athlete and doesnt have the green light like others do). Hill is a well rounded player, but thats about it. He's a decent athlete, decent shooter, decent ball handler, decent defender, and the list goes on. there is nothing he really just sucks at, but there is nothing he really excels at either. Hill is about as average of a player as there is in the NBA. And nothing wrong with that. I would take Hill on the Mavs all day.

I think foreign players get unfairly labeled as "skilled" players instead of athletes. Dragic is 6'4", has a 38 inch vert, a 6-7 wingspan, and his coach has been on record saying that he's one of the quickest guards in the league. A lot of foreigners aren't exceptional athletes, but I think Dragic is different.

Here's a good article on him that cites some of what I said.
http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2009/3/20/805559/goran-dragic-interview-the

And yeah... I agree with you on Hill for the most part.

[eisfeld]

If you consider all of them as PG's then:

Dragic >>> Hill > Beaubois

Dragic is the only natural PG of the three. Hill is a SG in a PG body, so is Beaubois. Beaubois is a highly efficient scorer and can spark a team off the bench but until he works on his other skills he's nowhere near Dragic and Hill.

[dirk4mvp]

If you consider all of them as PG's then:

Dragic >>> Hill > Beaubois

Dragic is the only natural PG of the three. Hill is a SG in a PG body, so is Beaubois.

Twist the argument to how you see fit. What the shit does being a PG have to do with who's better?

lol international bias


Beaubois is a highly efficient scorer and can spark a team off the bench but until he works on his other skills he's nowhere near Dragic and Hill.

Based on what assbag? Does he not have the ability to shoot wide open corner 3's?

[Roddy Beaubois]

If you consider all of them as PG's then:

Dragic >>> Hill > Beaubois

Dragic is the only natural PG of the three. Hill is a SG in a PG body, so is Beaubois. Beaubois is a highly efficient scorer and can spark a team off the bench but until he works on his other skills he's nowhere near Dragic and Hill.

:lmao

keep telling yourself that.

Roddy>Dragic>>Hill

[Roddy Beaubois]

And Ive thought we were talking future anyway. The OP says.


If this is the next big time match up between the Mavs and Spurs then the Spurs are screwed.

[eisfeld]

Twist the argument to how you see fit. What the shit does being a PG have to do with who's better?

lol international bias


Because they all play at the same position most of the time... And the only thing he does better than Dragic and Hill is scoring. By your logic Aaron Brooks must be better than Nash.

And yeah, international bias because I ranked an international player before an american before an international.




Based on what assbag? Does he not have the ability to shoot wide open corner 3's?

Did I take that away from him? Oh sorry, I mistakingly believed that there was more to the game of basketball than scoring and shooting corner threes...





keep telling yourself that.

Roddy>Dragic>>Hill


Time to switch to your other troll and state the opposite :tu

[Roddy Beaubois]

Time to switch to your other troll and state the opposite :tu

:td

You can argue between Dragic and Roddy, but Hill is the clear #3

[dirk4mvp]

Oh sorry, I mistakingly believed that there was more to the game of basketball than scoring and shooting corner threes...

Considering Hill has made a career of doing only that so far, why is he ranked 2nd then?



And yeah, international bias because I ranked an international player before an american before an international.



You put Dragic first because like yourself, he's also from a lame dick Euro country.

[eisfeld]

:td

You can argue between Dragic and Roddy, but Hill is the clear #3

based on what?

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I think foreign players get unfairly labeled as "skilled" players instead of athletes. Dragic is 6'4", has a 38 inch vert, a 6-7 wingspan, and his coach has been on record saying that he's one of the quickest guards in the league. A lot of foreigners aren't exceptional athletes, but I think Dragic is different.

Here's a good article on him that cites some of what I said.
http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2009/3/20/805559/goran-dragic-interview-the

And yeah... I agree with you on Hill for the most part.

That may be true, perhaps I just haven't seen enough of him. But I don't think he's quite as good of a natural athlete as guys like D-Will, CP3, and Rose. But he definitely needs to add some muscle to his frame so he can absorb a little more contact when things get physical, because from the few times I've seen him, it seems physical play flusters him a bit. But again, I could be wrong. I've become a HUGE Dragic fan lately though

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based on what?

being less skilled.



shooting: roddy > hill

man defense: roddy > hill

ball handling: roddy > hill

penetration: roddy > hill

finishing: roddy > hill

footwork: roddy > hill

passing: roddy > hill


this isnt really a skill, but...

athletic ability: roddy > hill


hitting wide open shots due to three future HOFs being on the floor at the same time: hill > roddy

[Roddy Beaubois]

Roddys footwork (big soccer player) and abilty to finish at the rim are what make him so good. His three point shooting makes him have the potential to be nearly unguardable.

[8FOR!3]

Roddys footwork (big soccer player) and abilty to finish at the rim are what make him so good. His three point shooting makes him have the potential to be nearly unguardable.

I agree, if George Hill would play soccer during the offseason, we would definitely be a championship team next year.

[Roddy Beaubois]

:tu

[jag]

Dragic is a better PG.
Roddy is a better scorer.
I used to think Hill was better defensively, but he messed the bed in the postseason and hasnt shown lateral quickness...so I'd give the defensive edge to both Dragic and Roddy. All three of them are extremely athletic, though. Dragic is extremely underrated when it comes to athleticism.
The only real area where Hill has an edge is his composure. Roddy gets kind of wild sometimes and plays too fast for himself and starts overplaying everything. Dragic also has very good composure.

[eisfeld]

Roddys footwork (big soccer player) and abilty to finish at the rim are what make him so good. His three point shooting makes him have the potential to be nearly unguardable.

So where's the problem - I never took that away from him. He is already an efficient player on offense and a threat to any team.

Both Hill and Dragic improved drastically the past season on multiple levels. Roddy right now is Jason Terry v2 although with more creativity and efficiency on offense and athletic ability. If he manages to improve his playmaking skills and defense the next season (with hopefully enough playing time) I can second your assumption that Roddy will be the better player with conviction.

[BUMP]

hitting wide open shots due to three future HOFs being on the floor at the same time: hill > roddy

:lol

[urunobili]

Beaubois >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hill

I mean it's not even fair...

[Roddy Beaubois]

The only real area where Hill has an edge is his composure. Roddy gets kind of wild sometimes and plays too fast for himself and starts overplaying everything. Dragic also has very good composure.

Yes Roddy showed terrible composure when he set on the bench the first 5 games before finally coming in game 6 in SA with his team down 20 and almost single handedly catching the Mavs up. For a rookie to do that, that shows he has great composure. Remember that when Dragic was a rookie his nerves were all over the place.

He has tried to overplay sometimes. But for the most part, he handled being jerked around by Carlisle very well.

[jag]

Beaubois >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hill

I mean it's not even fair...

If he were consistent, then maybe. All three (dragic, hill and roddy) are great at times but they're too inconsistent to say that one completely outclasses the other.

[Roddy Beaubois]

So where's the problem - I never took that away from him. He is already an efficient player on offense and a threat to any team.

Both Hill and Dragic improved drastically the past season on multiple levels. Roddy right now is Jason Terry v2 although with more creativity and efficiency on offense and athletic ability. If he manages to improve his playmaking skills and defense the next season (with hopefully enough playing time) I can second your assumption that Roddy will be the better player with conviction.

:tu.

I have a feeling that, although JJ will finally be getting DNPs, next year JET will be the one holding Roddy back. Carlisle has showed a even bigger man crush on Jet than he did with JJ.

This is all assuming Roddy isn't with CLE next year, of course.

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The only real area where Hill has an edge is his composure.

Really? It's easy to show composure when you only have the ball in your hands to shoot wide open shots that Duncan, Ginobili, and Parker get for you. :rolleyes

[jag]

Yes Roddy showed terrible composure when he set on the bench the first 5 games before finally coming in game 6 in SA with his team down 20 and almost single handedly catching the Mavs up. For a rookie to do that, that shows he has great composure. Remember that when Dragic was a rookie his nerves were all over the place.

He has tried to overplay sometimes. But for the most part, he handled being jerked around by Carlisle very well.


Roddy gets kind of wild sometimes and plays too fast for himself

I never said he wasn't a rookie.
I never said he wouldnt improve.
I never said he showed terrible composure.
All you did was agree with me.

He's still a rookie, so it's understandable that he'll be a little behind when it comes to remaining composed in big moments. Like dribbling the ball into Ginobili's hands in the 4th quarter of game 6.

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If he were consistent, then maybe. All three (dragic, hill and roddy) are great at times but they're too inconsistent to say that one completely outclasses the other.

Except for the fact that Dragic and Roddy actually create and make things happen. Hill just sits in the corner and shoots 3s, or lets someone get into the lane, gets a pass and tosses a wide open floater due to having others create for him. But I haven't seen very much ability from Hill to be able to create for himself, or to create for others.

[eisfeld]

:tu.

I have a feeling that, although JJ will finally be getting DNPs, next year JET will be the one holding Roddy back. Carlisle has showed a even bigger man crush on Jet than he did with JJ.

This is all assuming Roddy isn't with CLE next year, of course.

In a S&T package for LeBron? :P

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Like dribbling the ball into Ginobili's hands in the 4th quarter of game 6.

You mean Tony Parker grabbing Roddy's hand and having no foul called, resulting in a turnover? Only a blind fuck like yourself couldn't see that.

[gaKNOW!blee]

Except for the fact that Dragic and Roddy actually create and make things happen. Hill just sits in the corner and shoots 3s, or lets someone get into the lane, gets a pass and tosses a wide open floater due to having others create for him. But I haven't seen very much ability from Hill to be able to create for himself, or to create for others.

you mad.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

It's impossible to compare these three players right now because of the minute discrepancy. As far as who I think will turn out the best, Dragic = Roddy > Hill. Dragic probably will never be the scorer Roddy is, but Roddy will never be the defender or passer Dragic is. Right now Dragic's growth has been stunted because Barbosa's presence has fucked him up. I wanna tear my hair out when I see him settle for 3's and lose complete control of his body, stuff he wasn't doing at all before Barbosa came back.

[benefactor]

Dragic is better than both of them. Hill and Beaubios are pretty much interchangable.

[Roddy Beaubois]

In a S&T package for LeBron? :P

:lol you know it

[jag]

Really? It's easy to show composure when you only have the ball in your hands to shoot wide open shots that Duncan, Ginobili, and Parker get for you. :rolleyes

I actually like how Hill handles himself during big moments and important possessions. He's clutch when it comes to late game FT's, midrange J's, and threes. I was honest and gave roddy his props, sorry you want me to blow him.

[AnthonyM]

lol 4-2

[Roddy Beaubois]

lol 4-2

this was a good argument with decent opinions until gray named spurfan showed up.

[jag]

You mean Tony Parker grabbing Roddy's hand and having no foul called, resulting in a turnover? Only a blind fuck like yourself couldn't see that.

Or like him running full speed into a double team of tony parker and ginobili only to have the ball stripped from him. I dont care if parker caught him with an elbow to the face, why did he dribble into a double team at the 3-point line?

[AnthonyM]

this was a good argument with decent opinions until gray named spurfan showed up.

lol 4-2

lol roddy beaubois overrated

lol mavs

[Roddy Beaubois]

It's impossible to compare these three players right now because of the minute discrepancy. As far as who I think will turn out the best, Dragic = Roddy > Hill.

Thats fair to say. Dragic and Roddy both have great people to learn from. Although Dragic gets to watch his mentor rape face in the playoffs while Roddy watched his get his ass handed to him.


Dragic probably will never be the scorer Roddy is, but Roddy will never be the defender or passer Dragic is.

Im not sure how good a defender Dragic is, but Roddy has the potential to be a very good defender, and he showed flashes of it this year.

[Roddy Beaubois]

lol 4-2

lol roddy beaubois overrated

lol mavs

http://www.homeplateheroes.com/Light%20Gray%20Suede.jpg

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

If Dragic ever develops consistent aggression and confidence, he could be better than both. On the flip side, if he never recovers from the bad habits he's developed playing with Barbosa, he'll be a taller, more athletic JJ Barea.

[Muser]

As DoK said, Beaubois needs consistent minutes before you can say how good he really is.

[jag]

Except for the fact that Dragic and Roddy actually create and make things happen. Hill just sits in the corner and shoots 3s, or lets someone get into the lane, gets a pass and tosses a wide open floater due to having others create for him. But I haven't seen very much ability from Hill to be able to create for himself, or to create for others.

Dragic and Roddy are much better at creating. Hill is esentially a 2-guard. Roddy is a 2-guard that can create, but he's more scoring oriented. Roddy is a good defender, but he can't defend larger/longer players...Dragic and Hill can. All three can take guys 1-on-1. It's stupid to say that anything those guys showed this past season says one of them >>>>>>>>>> other.

[Ghazi]

There is no future to the Mavs/Spurs rivalry. Mavs will open a 6 year window with LeBron... Spurs will be Duncanless once his contract goes up.

[Ditty]

I like Roddy I scored 89 points with him in 5 minute quarters on nba live

dragic>hill is a joke

if george hill was as fast as roddy then he would be as good on offense but george hill is still all around better player to me I think roddy will do some stupid things and stupid shots in the future for the mavs hes out of control alot but I never seen a guy as quick as him not even tony parker was that quick so thats pretty scary but I think he will be a 15 ppg player for his career while hill could possibly be the same

[jag]

If Dragic ever develops consistent aggression and confidence, he could be better than both. On the flip side, if he never recovers from the bad habits he's developed playing with Barbosa, he'll be a taller, more athletic JJ Barea.

The thing i really like about Dragic is he's starting to do a lot of the little things that Nash does. The way he uses screens and curls around his own guy is textbook Nash. He's also starting to pass out of the pick 'n roll much like nash does.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

The thing i really like about Dragic is he's starting to do a lot of the little things that Nash does. The way he uses screens and curls around his own guy is textbook Nash. He's also starting to pass out of the pick 'n roll much like nash does.


Unfortunately he's also starting to chuck stupid threes, stand in one spot dribbling while the shot clock runs down, lose control while he dribbles into traffic, and make stupid decisions on defense. All lovely habits he's picked up from Barbosa.

[jag]

Unfortunately he's also starting to chuck stupid threes, stand in one spot dribbling while the shot clock runs down, lose control while he dribbles into traffic, and make stupid decisions on defense. All lovely habits he's picked up from Barbosa.

Those could just be bad habits of his own that he needs to take care of. I say this only because i don't know of anyone who aspires to be like Barbosa.

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you mad.

good one :tu

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I actually like how Hill handles himself during big moments and important possessions. He's clutch when it comes to late game FT's, midrange J's, and threes. I was honest and gave roddy his props, sorry you want me to blow him.

The only one you are blowing is Hill, giving him props for basically doing nothing but taking wide open shots. Big fucking deal.

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Or like him running full speed into a double team of tony parker and ginobili only to have the ball stripped from him. I dont care if parker caught him with an elbow to the face, why did he dribble into a double team at the 3-point line?

Parker does shit like that plenty of times. It's what his speed and quickness and handling ability allows him to do: split doubles, which really fucks a defense up if done correctly. had parker not grabbed his hand, he most likely would have made it through and probably scored.

[TIMMYD!]

Hill is better. Fuck off!!!!!

[BadOdor]

Sons all I know is that a decent player does not lose minutes to JJ barea.

roddy is a scrub.

[TDMVPDPOY]

pound for pound, inch per inch GHILL3 is better

if you dont believe, check out his nakeds

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Dragic and Roddy are much better at creating. Hill is esentially a 2-guard. Roddy is a 2-guard that can create, but he's more scoring oriented. Roddy is a good defender, but he can't defend larger/longer players...Dragic and Hill can. All three can take guys 1-on-1. It's stupid to say that anything those guys showed this past season says one of them >>>>>>>>>> other.

All I've said is that Dragic and Roddy are >>>>>>> Hill when it comes to skill and potential. I've never said Hill sucks. He's just a very middle of the pack player. Doesnt suck at anything, but doesnt accel at anything either, and will probably never really be an All-Star type player. Goran and Roddy both have all-star and even All-NBA team potential.

[sonic21]

playmaking, court vision, passing: Dragic > Roddy >>> Hill

everything else: Roddy > Dragic > hill.

[mikeschy55]

Beaubois >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hill

I mean it's not even fair...


Your the most objective spurs fan I know

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Those could just be bad habits of his own that he needs to take care of. I say this only because i don't know of anyone who aspires to be like Barbosa.


He doesn't aspire to be like Barbosa, playing next to Barbosa has begun to take that effect on him. The lineup of Dragic, Hill, Dudley, Amundson and Frye was great because they all shared the ball and found each other when one had a favorable matchup. Now with Barbosa instead of Hill they all rush to get their shots off because they're worried they won't get the ball back if they pass it.

[mikeschy55]

I never said he wasn't a rookie.
I never said he wouldnt improve.
I never said he showed terrible composure.
All you did was agree with me.

He's still a rookie, so it's understandable that he'll be a little behind when it comes to remaining composed in big moments. Like dribbling the ball into Ginobili's hands in the 4th quarter of game 6.

I think you've been pretty fair, but that play was CLEARLY a foul on Parker if you go back and watch it. Cuban was bitching about it after the game too.

[urunobili]

the only time Roddy got minutes to play vs the Spurs he shit on Hill, Parker and whomever tired to stop him in the entire squad... if it wasn't for Carslile I don't know if we would have won the series... :wakeup

[mikeschy55]

Dragic and Roddy are much better at creating. Hill is esentially a 2-guard. Roddy is a 2-guard that can create, but he's more scoring oriented. Roddy is a good defender, but he can't defend larger/longer players...Dragic and Hill can. All three can take guys 1-on-1. It's stupid to say that anything those guys showed this past season says one of them >>>>>>>>>> other.


Can't agree with you on this one, Roddy's shown great defensive ability this year. You have to understand that this dude is a freak of nature. Do you know any other 6'2" player whose signature play is an alley-oop? He's got a 6-10 wingspan (that's right, 6-10) with a 40 inch vert (probably higher, as he was injured when he tested). Roddy's going to be a great defender. However, I don't ever see him being a great passer. I think he can be a 20ppg player.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

playmaking, court vision, passing: Dragic > Roddy >>> Hill

everything else: Roddy > Dragic > hill.


Sorry but Dragic > Roddy defensively

[mikeschy55]

the only time Roddy got minutes to play vs the Spurs he shit on Hill, Parker and whomever tired to stop him in the entire squad... if it wasn't for Carslile I don't know if we would have won the series... :wakeup

nvm... maybe your the most objective spurs fan i know

[jag]

The only one you are blowing is Hill, giving him props for basically doing nothing but taking wide open shots. Big fucking deal.

Yes, i've been blowing hill up and down this thread. You got it, bro. I gave him props for having good composure, which is something he's shown and i've always noticed about him.

At least try and act like you've seen Hill for more than just this postseason.


All I've said is that Dragic and Roddy are >>>>>>> Hill when it comes to skill and potential. I've never said Hill sucks. He's just a very middle of the pack player. Doesnt suck at anything, but doesnt accel at anything either, and will probably never really be an All-Star type player. Goran and Roddy both have all-star and even All-NBA team potential.

They have skill and potential in different areas, so it's hard to say that one >>>>>> others. I'm not exactly sure how you've managed to quantify their respective potential, but i'd be interested to find out. I can see where you'd say that hill is a middle of the pack kind of guy, because a lot of the time he looks that way. He's inconsistent, something all of the three are right now. But i think you're forgetting that when parker went out win an injury early in 08-09...Hill (as a rookie) averaged 20+ points and 5 assists. The guy can score, but it's hard for him to do anything more than be a "middle of the pack" role player with Duncan, Jefferson, Parker and Ginobili on the floor. He has a specific role that requires him to play defense and hit open threes...and that's what he's doing.

[mikeschy55]

Sons all I know is that a decent player does not lose minutes to JJ barea.

roddy is a scrub.


Rick Carlisle did the same thing with Tayshaun Prince his rookie season. He just doesn't play rookies. I'm going to laugh when Roddy dominates Hill as he TRIES to guard him next year.

[mikeschy55]

double post

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Can't agree with you on this one, Roddy's shown great defensive ability this year. You have to understand that this dude is a freak of nature. Do you know any other 6'2" player whose signature play is an alley-oop? He's got a 6-10 wingspan (that's right, 6-10) with a 40 inch vert (probably higher, as he was injured when he tested). Roddy's going to be a great defender. However, I don't ever see him being a great passer. I think he can be a 20ppg player.

Roddy's issue is hes not very good at getting through picks. He gets KILLED by picks. He needs to get better at that, and get a little stronger. He got lost in rotations a few times, but that will come with experience.

[Ditty]

Rick Carlisle did the same thing with Tayshaun Prince his rookie season. He just doesn't play rookies. I'm going to laugh when Roddy dominates Hill as he TRIES to guard him next year.

as the spurs be pounding that ass again when dirk is in new york :toast

[jag]

Can't agree with you on this one, Roddy's shown great defensive ability this year. You have to understand that this dude is a freak of nature. Do you know any other 6'2" player whose signature play is an alley-oop? He's got a 6-10 wingspan (that's right, 6-10) with a 40 inch vert (probably higher, as he was injured when he tested). Roddy's going to be a great defender. However, I don't ever see him being a great passer. I think he can be a 20ppg player.

Roddy and Hill have almost the same wingspan, there's less than an inch difference, but i don't think Roddy has the body strength to defend larger guys. Hill has already shown he can guard players as tall as Durant and as strong as Billups. Dragic has shown he can stay with guys as quick as Parker and as tall as kobe. I haven't really seen roddy tested yet, so it's hard to say. The thing that worries me about Hill on defense is his lateral quickness. Both Dragic and Roddy move their feet better/quicker on defense.

[mikeschy55]

Yes, i've been blowing hill up and down this thread. You got it, bro. I gave him props for having good composure, which is something he's shown and i've always noticed about him.

At least try and act like you've seen Hill for more than just this postseason.



They have skill and potential in different areas, so it's hard to say that one >>>>>> others. I'm not exactly sure how you've managed to quantify their respective potential, but i'd be interested to find out. I can see where you'd say that hill is a middle of the pack kind of guy, because a lot of the time he looks that way. He's inconsistent, something all of the three are right now. But i think you're forgetting that when parker went out win an injury early in 08-09...Hill (as a rookie) averaged 20+ points and 5 assists. The guy can score, but it's hard for him to do anything more than be a "middle of the pack" role player with Duncan, Jefferson, Parker and Ginobili on the floor. He has a specific role that requires him to play defense and hit open threes...and that's what he's doing.

The thing is, Roddy wasn't inconcistent this season. He just rarely got to play and almost EVERY time he got in he did very well. That's why there were free Roddy B campaigns across the Dallas metroplex, that's why he was the only person talked about on the mavericks team during the season, that's why players ahead of him on the rotation spoke out to the media saying that he needed to play (which rarely happens in the NBA). When Roddy stepped in for JET this year when was injured, he averaged over 17 pts in little over 20 mpg.

Roddy is far superior athlete to Hill, there's no way he'll be able to guard him next year (not that he did this year either).

[stretch]

Yes, i've been blowing hill up and down this thread. You got it, bro. I gave him props for having good composure, which is something he's shown and i've always noticed about him.

At least try and act like you've seen Hill for more than just this postseason.



They have skill and potential in different areas, so it's hard to say that one >>>>>> others. I'm not exactly sure how you've managed to quantify their respective potential, but i'd be interested to find out. I can see where you'd say that hill is a middle of the pack kind of guy, because a lot of the time he looks that way. He's inconsistent, something all of the three are right now. But i think you're forgetting that when parker went out win an injury early in 08-09...Hill (as a rookie) averaged 20+ points and 5 assists. The guy can score, but it's hard for him to do anything more than be a "middle of the pack" role player with Duncan, Jefferson, Parker and Ginobili on the floor. He has a specific role that requires him to play defense and hit open threes...and that's what he's doing.

The guy can score because he has Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili opening up things for him. When the guy faces teams best defenders, he sucks ass. Can you imagine if Ginobili and Parker werent around, drawing the opposing teams best defenders? Let's see how well he does against guys like Artest.

Yeah, he had a nice scoring stretch as a rookie, although your 5 assist average was quite off. In fact, he didn't get 5 assists in any of those games.
Hell Brandon Jennings had a 55 point game as a rookie, but hes still among the most inefficent scorers in the NBA. ONE stretch doesnt mean much.

He's a decent player that plays in a GREAT system alongside GREAT players, and gets his scoring based off of their presence. He basically is what Roger Mason Jr. was last year. Had a nice year, even though hes a very average player, because his best skills were used as much as possible in a great system. But there is pretty much not one real area in which Hill stands out as being unquestionably more offensively skilled than Roddy. Not one. Shooting, passing, ball handling, penetration, footwork, court vision... you name it, Roddy has shown to be better.

[mikeschy55]

Roddy and Hill have almost the same wingspan, there's less than an inch difference, but i don't think Roddy has the body strength to defend larger guys. Hill has already shown he can guard players as tall as Durant and as strong as Billups. Dragic has shown he can stay with guys as quick as Parker and as tall as kobe. I haven't really seen roddy tested yet, so it's hard to say. The thing that worries me about Hill on defense is his lateral quickness. Both Dragic and Roddy move their feet better/quicker on defense.


Regarding wingspan and athleticism, allow me to put it this way. There was ONE person in the draft that touched higher on the backboard (a test in the NBA pre-draft combines). That was Blake Griffin by a half inch. (doesn't include centers)

[mikeschy55]

as the spurs be pounding that ass again when dirk is in new york :toast

actually Dirk's renegotiating his contract so the Mavs can pursue another star this season (taking less money for more years). Nice try

Not sure why the national media only reports half the story, he's opting out to HELP the Mavs.

[Ditty]

I never seen a player average 22.3 ppg working off other players :lol

Hill>>>>>>>>>>>Roddy

[Ditty]

actually Dirk's renegotiating his contract so the Mavs can pursue another star this season (taking less money for more years). Nice try

Not sure why the national media only reports half the story, he's opting out to HELP the Mavs.

is that speculation or comfirmed?

[stretch]

I never seen a player average 22.3 ppg working off other players :lol

Hill>>>>>>>>>>>Roddy

over a 3 game stretch? good one, moron.

[Ditty]

over a 3 game stretch? good one, moron.

well he then sure put his dick up the mavs asses during those 3 games to average that amount in 6 games :lol

[mikeschy55]

is that speculation or comfirmed?

it's pretty much confirmed, that's what Dirk told Cuban over a weekend getaway (yes a weekend getaway, that's the relationship they have) and Cuban reported it. The only reason it's not entirely confirmed is because it hasn't happened yet. There's virtually no chance Dirk is leaving the Mavericks.

[jag]

The thing is, Roddy wasn't inconcistent this season. He just rarely got to play and almost EVERY time he got in he did very well. That's why there were free Roddy B campaigns across the Dallas metroplex, that's why he was the only person talked about on the mavericks team during the season, that's why players ahead of him on the rotation spoke out to the media saying that he needed to play (which rarely happens in the NBA). When Roddy stepped in for JET this year when was injured, he averaged over 17 pts in little over 20 mpg.

Roddy is far superior athlete to Hill, there's no way he'll be able to guard him next year (not that he did this year either).

Point totals for the games Roddy started last season:

9
9
14
12
8
4
8
6
6
0
2
6
9
24
11
11

Inbetween those starts he had games with 40, 24, 17pts...etc. He's inconsistent. I already stated that he's a better scorer than both Dragic and Hill, but that doesn't mean he's consistent. He's a rookie...that's how rookies are.

Last season stats (per 36 min - per game stats are useless with Roddy some games he only got like 2 min):

Pts FG% 3P% Ast
Roddy - 20.4 .518 .409 3.8
Hill- 15.2 .478 .399 3.6
Dragic- 15.9 .452 .394 6.0

I have a difficult time saying any one of them is far and away better than either of the other two.

[mikeschy55]

well he then sure put his dick up the mavs asses during those 3 games to average that amount in 6 games :lol

You won't be laughing when Roddy completely owns Hill off the ball next year. Hill doesn't have anywhere near the athleticism required to guard him. It's going to be fun to watch.

[Ditty]

it's pretty much confirmed, that's what Dirk told Cuban over a weekend getaway (yes a weekend getaway, that's the relationship they have) and Cuban reported it. The only reason it's not entirely confirmed is because it hasn't happened yet. There's virtually no chance Dirk is leaving the Mavericks.

link?

[Ditty]

You won't be laughing when Roddy completely owns Hill off the ball next year. Hill doesn't have anywhere near the athleticism required to guard him. It's going to be fun to watch.

:lol

when i see it ill believe it but I know it wont happen and he's done nothing to impress me to throw up a bunch of shots and they went in...didn't steve kerr do the same thing in 2003 :lmao

[mikeschy55]

Point totals for the games Roddy started last season:

9
9
14
12
8
4
8
6
6
0
2
6
9
24
11
11

Inbetween those starts he had games with 40, 24, 17pts...etc. He's inconsistent. I already stated that he's a better scorer than both Dragic and Hill, but that doesn't mean he's consistent. He's a rookie...that's how rookies are.

Last season stats (per 36 min - per game stats are useless with Roddy some games he only got like 2 min):

Pts FG% 3P% Ast
Roddy - 20.4 .518 .409 3.8
Hill- 15.2 .478 .399 3.6
Dragic- 15.9 .452 .394 6.0

I have a difficult time saying any one of them is far and away better than either of the other two.

Check his mpg in each of his starts, he was never given starter minutes. He was given back up minutes or he was pulled and didn't play again. The 5 game stretch in which Terry was out gives you a good idea of what he does when you give around 20 mpg (about 17 pts). Also, look at opportunities (shots taken) and shooting %. Roddy set a rookie record this year in shooing % with 50/40/80 (NO rookie has ever done it).

All I have left to say is that there a number of spurs fans on this thread that has already admitted that Roddy is miles ahead of Hill. IMO it's obvious. Roddy has a much higher ceiling than Hill.

[jag]

The guy can score because he has Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili opening up things for him. When the guy faces teams best defenders, he sucks ass. Can you imagine if Ginobili and Parker werent around, drawing the opposing teams best defenders? Let's see how well he does against guys like Artest.

Yeah, he had a nice scoring stretch as a rookie, although your 5 assist average was quite off. In fact, he didn't get 5 assists in any of those games.
Hell Brandon Jennings had a 55 point game as a rookie, but hes still among the most inefficent scorers in the NBA. ONE stretch doesnt mean much.




2008-11-14 - as a starter - 5 assists
2008-11-17 - as a starter - 8 assists



He's a decent player that plays in a GREAT system alongside GREAT players, and gets his scoring based off of their presence. He basically is what Roger Mason Jr. was last year. Had a nice year, even though hes a very average player, because his best skills were used as much as possible in a great system. But there is pretty much not one real area in which Hill stands out as being unquestionably more offensively skilled than Roddy. Not one. Shooting, passing, ball handling, penetration, footwork, court vision... you name it, Roddy has shown to be better.

In my first post in this thread i said that Roddy was a better scorer than both dragic and Hill. I'm not sure who you're arguing with about this.

And let me get this straight, Hill is only a "decent" player because he plays alongside great players in a great system, correct? But Roddy playing alongside Dirk, Kidd, Terry, formerly josh howard, and now Caron Butler excels by creating on his own and by facing the best defender the opposing team has to offer??

[Mavs_man_41]

Point totals for the games Roddy started last season:

9
9
14
12
8
4
8
6
6
0
2
6
9
24
11
11

Inbetween those starts he had games with 40, 24, 17pts...etc. He's inconsistent. I already stated that he's a better scorer than both Dragic and Hill, but that doesn't mean he's consistent. He's a rookie...that's how rookies are.

Last season stats (per 36 min - per game stats are useless with Roddy some games he only got like 2 min):

Pts FG% 3P% Ast
Roddy - 20.4 .518 .409 3.8
Hill- 15.2 .478 .399 3.6
Dragic- 15.9 .452 .394 6.0

I have a difficult time saying any one of them is far and away better than either of the other two.

Man, it was very common for Roddy to start a game, play half the first quarter, and then get benched for the rest of the game. alot of those 6, 8, and 9 point games were in only 5 or 6 minutes of play. Just because he started still didn't mean that he got to play, unfortunately.

[mikeschy55]

:lol

when i see it ill believe it but I know it wont happen and he's done nothing to impress me to throw up a bunch of shots and they went in...didn't steve kerr do the same thing in 2003 :lmao

Clearly you haven't see him play. Did you even watch the video I posted that started the thread? Just go to youtube for 30 seconds and check him out. Just 2 of his points against the Spurs in game 6 came from jumpers, the rest came from penetration and finishing at the rim. Roddy is a monster athlete, Kerr is a pure jump shooter... no comparison whatsoever.

[mikeschy55]

Man, it was very common for Roddy to start a game, play half the first quarter, and then get benched for the rest of the game. alot of those 6, 8, and 9 point games were in only 5 or 6 minutes of play. Just because he started still didn't mean that he got to play, unfortunately.


but that doesn't mean spurs fans won't try to twist the facts in whichever way they can

[Ditty]

Clearly you haven't see him play. Did you even watch the video I posted that started the thread? Just go to youtube for 30 seconds and check him out. Just 2 of his points against the Spurs in game 6 came from jumpers, the rest came from penetration and finishing at the rim. Roddy is a monster athlete, Kerr is a pure jump shooter... no comparison whatsoever.

im not comparing just saying its one lucky game that the mavs loss :lol

[jag]

Man, it was very common for Roddy to start a game, play half the first quarter, and then get benched for the rest of the game. alot of those 6, 8, and 9 point games were in only 5 or 6 minutes of play. Just because he started still didn't mean that he got to play, unfortunately.

I realize that, but there were also many games where he got 20-30 min and ended up with 10-12 pts. Those aren't even bad numbers, i'm only saying that in 2009-2010 he wasn't ready to be a 17 pt./game guy. There are some in here trying to say that he blows Hill out of the water. The stats don't show that. He scores more than Hill, but he also shoots more than Hill. Hill, dragic and Roddy have some very similar stats.

[mikeschy55]

im not comparing just saying its one lucky game that the mavs loss :lol

Breaking down the defense, penetrating, and scoring in the paint isn't luck. If he were just jacking up a bunch of 3's it'd be different.

I can't see why some Spurs fans will go ahead and easily admit that Roddy is miles ahead of Hill while some just say he's lucky. O yea.... some Spurs fans ONLY watch the spurs. Again... you obviously haven't seen him play. At least take the time to watch him if your going to comment.

[Mavs_man_41]

I realize that, but there were also many games where he got 20-30 min and ended up with 10-12 pts. Those aren't even bad numbers, i'm only saying that in 2009-2010 he wasn't ready to be a 17 pt./game guy. There are some in here trying to say that he blows Hill out of the water. The stats don't show that. He scores more than Hill, but he also shoots more than Hill. Hill, dragic and Roddy have some very similar stats.


the stats you posted aren't all that similar. roddy was scoring 5 more points per 36 minutes at a much higher %, 52%, and he's a guard!! not to take anything away from hill or dragic but roddy is going to be special. all year i said that roddy was our 3rd best player, and had he been given starter minutes i could easily see him scoring 17ppg. every time the man was given a chance, even if it was just a few minutes, whenever he was called upon he could come into the game totally not warmed up and just flat out score points in bunches.

[mikeschy55]

I realize that, but there were also many games where he got 20-30 min and ended up with 10-12 pts. Those aren't even bad numbers, i'm only saying that in 2009-2010 he wasn't ready to be a 17 pt./game guy. There are some in here trying to say that he blows Hill out of the water. The stats don't show that. He scores more than Hill, but he also shoots more than Hill. Hill, dragic and Roddy have some very similar stats.

Hill and Dragic don't have 50/40/80 (he doesn't shoot more). The VAST majority of games where he got 20 plus minutes he scored well into the teens.

He might be our starting 2 next year according to Carlisle and Cuban. If he does he'll be getting 30ish mpg and about 20 ppg.... guarantee it. I have never had this much confidence in a rookie. You had opposing players say things like "he's the future for that team" after games (Brandon Jennings and others). I'll take their word for it.

[mikeschy55]

the stats you posted aren't all that similar. roddy was scoring 5 more points per 36 minutes at a much higher %, 52%, and he's a guard!! not to take anything away from hill or dragic but roddy is going to be special. all year i said that roddy was our 3rd best player, and had he been given starter minutes i could easily see him scoring 17ppg. every time the man was given a chance, even if it was just a few minutes, whenever he was called upon he could come into the game totally not warmed up and just flat out score points in bunches.

yup... and he was in his rookie season fresh out of Guadalupe

[jag]

Breaking down the defense, penetrating, and scoring in the paint isn't luck. If he were just jacking up a bunch of 3's it'd be different.

I can't see why some Spurs fans will go ahead and easily admit that Roddy is miles ahead of Hill while some just say he's lucky. O yea.... some Spurs fans ONLY watch the spurs. Again... you obviously haven't seen him play. At least take the time to watch him if your going to comment.

I had the Spurs, Suns, Mavs, Lakers, Celtics and Cavs on LP Broadband. I actually saw quite a bit of Roddy(whenever he got decent minutes). I've been saying for awhile that the kid is amazing...i can dig up those quotes if you'd like. I'm a big fan of the guy, there's no doubt about it. I honestly think he'll be a better scorer and overall player than Hill and Dragic, but Mav fan is relying solely on his potential and saying that he's separated himself from the rest of the pack. This isn't true.

He had 13 total games with 20+ minutes played. 7 out of those 13 he had no more than 13 points scored. If there's one thing we can agree on, it's that the guy obviously needs more minutes.

[mikeschy55]

I had the Spurs, Suns, Mavs, Lakers, Celtics and Cavs on LP Broadband. I actually saw quite a bit of Roddy(whenever he got decent minutes). I've been saying for awhile that the kid is amazing...i can dig up those quotes if you'd like. I'm a big fan of the guy, there's no doubt about it. I honestly think he'll be a better scorer and overall player than Hill and Dragic, but Mav fan is relying solely on his potential and saying that he's separated himself from the rest of the pack. This isn't true.

He had 13 total games with 20+ minutes played. 7 out of those 13 he had no more than 13 points scored. If there's one thing we can agree on, it's that the guy obviously needs more minutes.


As I said, you've been fairly reasonable here. Perhaps he hasn't separated himself from the pack YET, but barring any unfortunate injuries or anything like that.... I doubt it will take him much longer.

[Mavs_man_41]

If there's one thing we can agree on, it's that the guy obviously needs more minutes.

and that's the only thing holding him back, that retard coach of ours. honestly what's the point of simply refusing to play your 2nd or 3rd best player?

[stretch]

And let me get this straight, Hill is only a "decent" player because he plays alongside great players in a great system, correct? But Roddy playing alongside Dirk, Kidd, Terry, formerly josh howard, and now Caron Butler excels by creating on his own and by facing the best defender the opposing team has to offer??

Not because he simply plays alongside them, but because he is mostly successful when simply taking open shots that they provide for him. When he tries to be the star, he sucks. Roddy has shown that he can play like the star, do all the creating, and succeed.

[mikeschy55]

link?


dallasbasketball.com...... check out their morning donuts with a headline of Dirk, it's bound to be mentioned. Or listen to 103.3 espn (espn Dallas).

Here's a good link. Should explain the story....(in generalities anyway). Trust me, no one's concerned about it.

http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/05/23/2209720/opt-out-will-give-dirk-mavs-options.html

[Ditty]

Breaking down the defense, penetrating, and scoring in the paint isn't luck. If he were just jacking up a bunch of 3's it'd be different.

I can't see why some Spurs fans will go ahead and easily admit that Roddy is miles ahead of Hill while some just say he's lucky. O yea.... some Spurs fans ONLY watch the spurs. Again... you obviously haven't seen him play. At least take the time to watch him if your going to comment.

i wasn't referring to his shot selection i was referring that he finally had a solid game against the spurs becuase he was nothing even in the regular season and rick carlisle even let him play sure I seen him play and im not saying he sucks but he is not a better defense player than george hill but defintley offense becuase he has quickness thats all he has... thinking that roddy is going to be a star in the league is dumb scoring 40 points against the warriors doesnt mean hes a going to be a star how did he fare against the lakers or even celtics teams with size I think scoring on a a 34 year old tim duncan who had playing close to 40 minutes a game is really impressive :rolleyes parker and ginobili were tearing up the mavs in the paint are we bragging about that? do we see them as roddy celing is probably going to be aaron brooks but saying that roddy is scorer thats all

[Ditty]

dallasbasketball.com...... check out their morning donuts with a headline of Dirk, it's bound to be mentioned. Or listen to 103.3 espn (espn Dallas).

Here's a good link. Should explain the story....(in generalities anyway). Trust me, no one's concerned about it.

http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/05/23/2209720/opt-out-will-give-dirk-mavs-options.html

and is that comfirmed or speculation that you read?

[mikeschy55]

i wasn't referring to his shot selection i was referring that he finally had a solid game against the spurs becuase he was nothing even in the regular season and rick carlisle even let him play sure I seen him play and im not saying he sucks but he is not a better defense player than george hill but defintley offense becuase he has quickness thats all he has... thinking that roddy is going to be a star in the league is dumb scoring 40 points against the warriors doesnt mean hes a going to be a star how did he fare against the lakers or even celtics teams with size I think scoring on a a 34 year old tim duncan who had playing close to 40 minutes a game is really impressive :rolleyes parker and ginobili were tearing up the mavs in the paint are we bragging about that? do we see them as roddy celing is probably going to be aaron brooks but saying that roddy is scorer thats all


This is why I say you haven't seen him. Roddy never got over 7 minutes against the Spurs in the regular season except once. That one time is put on youtube..... 17 minutes, 8 pts, 50% shooting.

Every other spurs fan that has agreed with me has either watched him during the season or simply went to youtube to see for themselves. Your pontificating out of your ass. The likes of Reggie Miller doesn't nickname him "baby flash" without being confident in the kids future. Brandon Jennings doesn't say "that dude is the future for their franchise" without being thoroughly impressed. I could go on and on about how many notable individuals in the NBA who have actually seen him play comment on how special he'll be in the league. Players ahead of him in the rotation on the the Mavericks spoke out to the media saying he needs to play.... that NEVER happens in the NBA (vets volunteering to give up playing time for a rookie). Until you go watch him play, you won't understand.

[mikeschy55]

and is that comfirmed or speculation that you read?

"The Dallas Mavericks expect Dirk Nowitzki to opt out of the final year of his contract, a source said Saturday, because it will allow the face of the franchise to work with the team on the structure of a new four-year deal."

Sounds like the head dallas mavericks sports writer (eddie sefko) said a SOURCE told him that they were working on a new 4 year deal for Dirks $ security and the future health of the team.

Every time I turn on the radio or read something regarding Dirk, the writer says there's virtually no chance of him leaving. Nothing's changed, Dirk has always intended to stay a Maverick. Him opting out is about getting a larger contract before the new CBA rules restrict player salaries and about giving the Mavs flexebility. It can't be confirmed until it happens, but EVERYONE (those who have access to "sources".. i.e Dirk and whoever represents him) is saying that Dirk's staying and committed to helping the Mavs. So... it's about as confirmed as it gets without an actual contract signed.

You don't have to believe it if you don't want, but trust me. There's not a chance Dirks going anywhere.

[Ditty]

This is why I say you haven't seen him. Roddy never got over 7 minutes against the Spurs in the regular season except once. That one time is put on youtube..... 17 minutes, 8 pts, 50% shooting.

Every other spurs fan that has agreed with me has either watched him during the season or simply went to youtube to see for themselves. Your pontificating out of your ass. The likes of Reggie Miller doesn't nickname him "baby flash" without being confident in the kids future. Brandon Jennings doesn't say "that dude is the future for their franchise" without being thoroughly impressed. I could go on and on about how many notable individuals in the NBA who have actually seen him play comment on how special he'll be in the league. Players ahead of him in the rotation on the the Mavericks spoke out to the media saying he needs to play.... that NEVER happens in the NBA (vets volunteering to give up playing time for a rookie). Until you go watch him play, you won't understand.

its stupid to compare two different players with two different kinds of playing styles unless your trying to be hypocritical like every mavs fan on this board trying to prove that one player on the mavs is better than another on the spurs..george hill game is a spot shooter and a guy who can shoot off pick and rolls while beaubous is a slasher and can take it in the paint(im reffering what there best at not what there able too do something your not getting)

[mikeschy55]

its stupid to compare two different players with two different kinds of playing styles unless your trying to be hypocritical like every mavs fan on this board trying to prove that one player on the mavs is better than another on the spurs..george hill game is a spot shooter and a guy who can shoot off pick and rolls while beaubous is a slasher and can take it in the paint(im reffering what there best at not what there able too do something your not getting)


They play the same position as a combo guard, so whatever. I'll quote one of your fellow spurs fans though

"Roddy>>>>>>>>>Hill"

[Ghazi]

How good is Beaubois? Let's just say, if Carlisle unleashed French Allah, the Mavs are up 3-2 on the Lakers and are playing for a Finals berth tommorow night.

And no, I'm not exaggerating.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

And no, I'm not exaggerating.


No, you're just an idiot.

[Ghazi]

No, you're just an idiot.

This is a consensus opinion among Mavs fans and all fans who know what Beaubois brings to the table.

This is the equivalent of the Lakers not using Odom, the Suns not using Richardson, the Spurs not using Hill.

Mavs matchup excellently versus the Lakers... especially since Glassnum turns into utter shit in the playoffs. They would have few matchup advantages.

Beaubois is the best French player in the NBA.

He will shine for the Cavs next year.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Ghazi, according to you, the Mavs have never had a season (since they got Dirk) that they weren't capable of winning a championship. This season is just like any other where your delusional homerism is making up excuses for why they lost.

[Ghazi]

I didn't say the Mavs could win it all, I just said they could win the West, which is certainly feasible in a hypothetical world where French Allah was unleashed.

The 3 best teams are in the East... and 1-8 in the West weren't separated by much. Little things like the best rookie in the class being played, or not played... can be the difference between 1st round exit and Finals runner up.

:worthy: Beaubois :worthy:

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

In Ghazi's hypothetical world the Mavs have won 8 straight championships.

[Ghazi]

mogrovejo viewing.

mogro I need some backup!

[mogrovejo]

Two good players, but I'll take Beaubois superior upside.

Hill is a good defender and a very versatile scorer, but Beaubois has the tools to be an elite defender and a more prolific scorer. I also think Beaubois will be the better playmaker, he already makes better reads of the pick'n'roll.

I think Hill can be an excellent role-player, but Beaubois can be more than that.

[DPG21920]

Not saying anything about player comparisons but stretch's arguments are terrible. When tp went out w injury, hill did a lot more than stand around and shoot wide open shots. Same in the playoffs vs the mavs.

[stretch]

Not saying anything about player comparisons but stretch's arguments are terrible. When tp went out w injury, hill did a lot more than stand around and shoot wide open shots. Same in the playoffs vs the mavs.

lol obsessed

lol butthurt over height

lol sucking ass

[Muser]

In Ghazi's hypothetical world the Mavs have won 8 straight championships.


If you go through the list

Kerr Bullshit shots
Hill bullshit shots
Dirk injury
06 refs
Baron Davis bullshit shots
Entire GSW bullshit shots


If all of these bullshit things didn't happen then last decades Mavs > Jordans Bulls tbh.

[stretch]

Two good players, but I'll take Beaubois superior upside.

Hill is a good defender and a very versatile scorer (and by very versatile, I mean hitting wide open jumpers that the big 3 provide for him), but Beaubois has the tools to be an elite defender and a more prolific scorer. I also think Beaubois will be the better playmaker, he already makes better reads of the pick'n'roll.

fixed


I think Hill can be an excellent role-player, but Beaubois can be more than that.

very well put. unfortunately spursfans like DPG are too stupid to realize that.

[Ghazi]

If you go through the list

Kerr Bullshit shots
Hill bullshit shots
Dirk injury
06 refs
Baron Davis bullshit shots
Entire GSW bullshit shots


If all of these bullshit things didn't happen then last decades Mavs > Jordans Bulls tbh.

I'm just saying, we were the best team in 2003 and 2006... and this year, could've been a Finals runner up team.

Murphy's Law is just holding back the Mavericks.

But that'll all change next year.

[Pelicans78]

I'm just saying, we were the best team in 2003 and 2006... and this year, could've been a Finals runner up team.

Murphy's Law is just holding back the Mavericks.

But that'll all change next year.


2003 Kings > 2003 Mavs.

[mogrovejo]

(and by very versatile, I mean hitting wide open jumpers that the big 3 provide for him).

I thought he played better whenever one of the big 3 was out, especially Parker.

Hill is 14th among point-guards who played more than 25mpg for made shots at the rim per 36 and he's one of the best in the league converting there (64%). He also has a solid mid-range pull-up jumper. Only 1/4 of his shots are 3point shots and he's effective spotting up or off the bounce. He scores equally well in a variety of ways, he's definitely a versatile scorer.

[stretch]

I thought he played better whenever one of the big 3 was out, especially Parker.

Hill is 14th among point-guards who played more than 25mpg for made shots at the rim per 36 and he's one of the best in the league converting there (64%). He also has a solid mid-range pull-up jumper. Only 1/4 of his shots are 3point shots and he's effective spotting up or off the bounce. He scores equally well in a variety of ways, he's definitely a versatile scorer.

rofl

im just messing with spurfan

they get asshurt when they see that

hes a nice role player, but thats about it. like shannon brown.

[redzero]

Why Compare him to Hill? Beaubois is obviously in the ranks of LeBron and Kobe.

Beaubois is the reason LeBron and Kobe became NBA players.

[Muser]

Shannon Brown is a nice role player? Dude is a scrub.

[sonic21]

Two good players, but I'll take Beaubois superior upside.

Hill is a good defender and a very versatile scorer, but Beaubois has the tools to be an elite defender and a more prolific scorer. I also think Beaubois will be the better playmaker, he already makes better reads of the pick'n'roll.

I think Hill can be an excellent role-player, but Beaubois can be more than that.

hill is a good offensive player but his D is overrated. When parker is defending better than you (especially in the PO), then you have a problem.

[DPG21920]

lol obsessed

lol butthurt over height

lol sucking ass


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very well put. unfortunately spursfans like DPG are too stupid to realize that.

Where did I say anything different about Hill being anything more than a decent role player?

I simply said your arguments were ridiculously shitty. Morgo actually just agreed with what I said first.

lol randomly saying things like obsessed

lol using ghey internet humor like butthurt

lol when you try to have a real take it sucks