I'm liking Chris Christie more and more...

[jack sommerset]

Chris Christie tells teacher she doesn't have to teach! The lady wants more money but says teachers do it because they love it.....BULLSHIT.

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[Stringer_Bell]

Yea, I saw this earlier and found it a little refreshing considering what that chick and other have asked for in terms of pay increases. The kids don't learn shit anyway.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I think it's wise to insult your voters. SHould work well in the long run.

[jack sommerset]

Calling the police stupid is an insult to voters. Telling a women she shouldn't teach if she thinks the pay scale is not going to change as fast as she wants is good advice.

[Wild Cobra]

I think it's wise to insult your voters. SHould work well in the long run.
I took it as a refreshing truth.

If her job doesn't pay her enough, then go find a better one.

[rjv]

someone should have paid christie's nutrition and physical education teachers better salaries.

[Yonivore]

I think it's wise to insult your voters. SHould work well in the long run.
Here's a flash for you, George; teachers didn't vote for Christie. He wasn't insulting his voters.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Here's a flash for you, George; teachers didn't vote for Christie. He wasn't insulting his voters.

I think it's a great PR move...

[Yonivore]

I think it's a great PR move...
Me too.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Me too.

Should work well with moderates... I think they enjoy their gov insulting the people who teach their kids. In fact he is actually challenging them to quit.. Great management style, you get much more productivity by threatening and insutling people.

[Wild Cobra]

Should work well with moderates...
It should work well with anyone who doesn't have an entitlement mentality.

I think they enjoy their gov insulting the people who teach their kids.

Maybe we are insulted that teaching has become a jobs program for over educated stupid lazy assholes.


In fact he is actually challenging them to quit..
No, he pointed out a simple fact. If the job doesn't pay you what you think you deserve, find a higher paying job.
Great management style, you get much more productivity by threatening and insutling people.

Sometimes you have to make people realize their values are wrong.

Don't teachers already make more than 60k a year?

[ElNono]

Sometimes you have to make people realize their values are wrong. Don't teachers already make more than 60k a year?

Isn't making money a good, true capitalist value?
Or it stops being a good value when your employer is the state?

[Destro]

I'm a Jersey Democrat but I'm with Christie on this issue. I wanted to be a teacher until i saw the pay scale and decided i needed to make more money to support the lifestyle i wanted. I hate when teachers complain about pay without considering their great job stability, good health and retirement benefits, and holidays and summers off.

HGov. Christie needs to fund the public libraries though. In a recession public libraries become one of the few places poor people can get access to information whether its books, magazines, internet, music or movies.

[ElNono]

I'm a Jersey Democrat but I'm with Christie on this issue. I wanted to be a teacher until i saw the pay scale and decided i needed to make more money to support the lifestyle i wanted. I hate when teachers complain about pay without considering their great job stability, good health and retirement benefits, and holidays and summers off.

HGov. Christie needs to fund the public libraries though. In a recession public libraries become one of the few places poor people can get access to information whether its books, magazines, internet, music or movies.

Do you think he will outlast his first term?

(Disclaimer: I'm a Jersey resident myself).

[Wild Cobra]

Isn't making money a good, true capitalist value?
Or it stops being a good value when your employer is the state?
The problem comes when teachers use money as an excuse for poor education. Why do people let them hold out children hostage?

[Wild Cobra]

HGov. Christie needs to fund the public libraries though. In a recession public libraries become one of the few places poor people can get access to information whether its books, magazines, internet, music or movies.
I agree libraries may need more funding. The ones in my area do. However, it's a local issue to fund libraries. Not state or federal.

[ElNono]

The problem comes when teachers use money as an excuse for poor education. Why do people let them hold out children hostage?

I didn't know Christie pointed out she was a bad teacher. Did you know this woman too? Or you're just merely generalizing?

[Wild Cobra]

I didn't know Christie pointed out she was a bad teacher. Did you know this woman too? Or you're just merely generalizing?
In this case I'm generalizing.

Tell me though, is it right, in this economy, for a teacher to suggest she needs more money? Shouldn't she be happy she still has a job?

[ElNono]

In this case I'm generalizing.

Tell me though, is it right, in this economy, for a teacher to suggest she needs more money? Shouldn't she be happy she still has a job?

If you're so concerned about unemployment, you should ask Christie why it's ok in this economy to lay off people.

I wish Christie the best, because this state needs help, and Corzine was beyond corrupt. I just think people are starting to realize what they got themselves into, and I don't think they're liking it at all.

[Wild Cobra]

If you're so concerned about unemployment, you should ask Christie why it's ok in this economy to lay off people.

I wish Christie the best, because this state needs help, and Corzine was beyond corrupt. I just think people are starting to realize what they got themselves into, and I don't think they're liking it at all.
I haven't followed him, but if you mean state workers? We have too many in at least 49 states. However, i would prefer to see them go through attrition.

[ElNono]

I haven't followed him, but if you mean state workers? We have too many in at least 49 states. However, i would prefer to see them go through attrition.

Me too, but the economy is bad, right?

[Wild Cobra]

Me too, but the economy is bad, right?
At least we agree there. Some states probably have no choice but to cut jobs. I know I already pay too much in taxes, and how can states do thier duties without more tax dollars?

We don't need more taxes, we need more tax payers. Less people relying on government and less government.

[ElNono]

At least we agree there. Some states probably have no choice but to cut jobs. I know I already pay too much in taxes, and how can states do thier duties without more tax dollars?

There's always a choice.


We don't need more taxes, we need more tax payers. Less people relying on government and less government.

Well, there's plenty of shades there. It's not always cut jobs or raise taxes. There's wasteful spending, reduction of benefits, bad contracts, etc etc etc.
It's about being creative really.

[Wild Cobra]

Well, there's plenty of shades there. It's not always cut jobs or raise taxes. There's wasteful spending, reduction of benefits, bad contracts, etc etc etc.
It's about being creative really.
That wasteful spending becomes someone elses job.

[ElNono]

That wasteful spending becomes someone elses job.

Well, a hiring freeze is different from cutting jobs outright, especially in this economy. I'm not against cuts actually, but I also think the unemployment situation has to be considered when making such decisions.

[Yonivore]

Should work well with moderates... I think they enjoy their gov insulting the people who teach their kids. In fact he is actually challenging them to quit.. Great management style, you get much more productivity by threatening and insutling people.
What insult? What threat?

story (http://www.northjersey.com/news/state/politics/052510_NJ_Gov_Chris_Christie_defends_cuts_promotes _property_tax_cap_in_Rutherford.html)


But borough teacher Rita Wilson, a Kearny resident, argued that if she were paid $3 an hour for the 30 children in her class, she’d be earning $83,000, and she makes nothing near that.

"You’re getting more than that if you include the cost of your benefits," Christie interrupted. [See below link. --Y]

When Wilson, who has a master’s degree, said she was not being compensated for her education and experience, Christie said:

"Well, you know then that you don’t have to do it." Some in the audience applauded.

Christie said he would not have had to impose cuts to education if the teachers union had agreed to his call for a one-year salary freeze and a 1.5 percent increase in employee benefit contributions.

"Your union said that is the greatest assault on public education in the history of the state," Christie said. "That’s why the union has no credibility, stupid statements like that."

According to these School Board minutes (http://www.rutherfordschools.org/boardofed/boardofed/minutes/minutes2009/MT071309.min.pdf), Wilson makes over 86K a year.

I think Christie is on safe and popular ground...

And, oh yeah, he's not up for re-election until 2013. The moderates can't fume for that long and, if New Jersey's fiscal state is better then, this will have been long forgotten except for how it demonstrated his resolve.

[Wild Cobra]

According to these School Board minutes (http://www.rutherfordschools.org/boardofed/boardofed/minutes/minutes2009/MT071309.min.pdf), Wilson makes over 86K a year.

I think Christie is on safe and popular ground...

I would say so. They work about 1600 hrs a year, right? That's $53.75 per hour.

I am fucking sick and tired of people being so ignorant to agree teachers are under paid.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I would say so. They work about 1600 hrs a year, right? That's $53.75 per hour.

I am fucking sick and tired of people being so ignorant to agree teachers are under paid.

Ok, you do realize that 83,000 is valued differently..say from NJ vs TX. Cost of living is higher in NJ..so would it be fair that teachers, whom teach our children, would be fairly compensated for their good work? Wouldn't paying the good ones be a better investment?

[Wild Cobra]

Ok, you do realize that 83,000 is valued differently..say from NJ vs TX. Cost of living is higher in NJ..so would it be fair that teachers, whom teach our children, would be fairly compensated for their good work?
Absolutely. Still, is $53.75 per hr. reasonable or not for teachers pay? I say it too high myself, even in a high cost of living area.


Wouldn't paying the good ones be a better investment?

Absolutely. Merit based pay, but the unions never agree to it.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Cost of living comparison calculator

86000.00

Hoboken NJ, to Houston, TX



Equivalent income in the city you are moving to: $60961.18.
You may take a 29.11% decrease and still maintain your standard of living.

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[George Gervin's Afro]

Absolutely. Still, is $53.75 per hr. reasonable or not for teachers pay? I say it too high myself, even in a high cost of living area.

Absolutely. Merit based pay, but the unions never agree to it.


I guess it depends on what quality of teachers you want teaching your kids. The good ones vs. the cheap ones.

There is a merit system in place now...

31.75 per hr rate. Is that appropriate for good teachers?

[Wild Cobra]

There is a merit system in place now...
Really?

I haven't seen one. Didn't know that. Where does it exist and how does it work?

[jack sommerset]

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[Wild Cobra]

Cost of living comparison calculator

86000.00

Hoboken NJ, to Houston, TX

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OK, New Jersey is slightly more expensive than where I live. I still say that is too much money for such a job. Around $35 per hour would be far more reasonable.

[Wild Cobra]

31.75 per hr rate. Is that appropriate for good teachers?
That's low for a good teacher. Maybe for average.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Really?

I haven't seen one. Didn't know that. Where does it exist and how does it work?

Houston ISD does have a merit pay system. It was met by fierce opposition but in the end the union had to take it.

[George Gervin's Afro]

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Uh jack that was a charter school.. god you're anj idiot jack

she was a non certified teacher..

[Wild Cobra]

Houston ISD does have a merit pay system. It was met by fierce opposition but in the end the union had to take it.
How much does the merit system have an effect on the salaries, and what is it based on?

[DarrinS]

So Christy is asking teachers to go one year without getting a raise?

Do teachers automatically get an annual raise? In my line of work, I don't get a raise each year. It pretty much depends on how well the company did and how well I performed.

[George Gervin's Afro]

How much does the merit system have an effect on the salaries, and what is it based on?

All I know is that some teachers got nothing and the union raised a stink about it. I will have to plead ignorance on the rest of the system.

[George Gervin's Afro]

So Christy is asking teachers to go one year without getting a raise?

Do teachers automatically get an annual raise? In my line of work, I don't get a raise each year. It pretty much depends on how well the company did and how well I performed.

I don't think you will find many people disagreeing with the notion that some , if not all, state employees having a wage freeze for year (although it is actualy 2 yrs). The problem lies in the fact that Chrsity decided to insult the teacher for political purposes. Like Yoni mentioned teachers aren't going to vote for cristy anyway so he loses nothing by making an ass of himself. Of course this is red meat for his base and they love it.

[DarrinS]

I don't think you will find many people disagreeing with the notion that some , if not all, state employees having a wage freeze for year (although it is actualy 2 yrs). The problem lies in the fact that Chrsity decided to insult the teacher for political purposes. Like Yoni mentioned teachers aren't going to vote for cristy anyway so he loses nothing by making an ass of himself. Of course this is red meat for his base and they love it.


"You don't have to do it" -- that was the insult you were talking about?

[Yonivore]

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I think Christie acquits himself quite nicely in this video and puts the blame where it belongs...the teacher's union.

[Wild Cobra]

All I know is that some teachers got nothing and the union raised a stink about it. I will have to plead ignorance on the rest of the system.
I'm curious because if the merit system has little effect, teachers have little reason to do better.

[Wild Cobra]

The problem lies in the fact that Chrsity decided to insult the teacher for political purposes.
I missed that. How did he insult them?

[Yonivore]

And, without a teleprompter...

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[Wild Cobra]

And, without a teleprompter...

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Thank-You, but I still don't see how he insulted the teachers. seems like he has fantastic leadership skills.

[ElNono]

This guy still campaigning? Somebody tell him he has a state to run...

Interesting too that you would be hard pressed to find a young person in that crowd...

[Yonivore]

This guy still campaigning? Somebody tell him he has a state to run...

Interesting too that you would be hard pressed to find a young person in that crowd...
He's being accountable to the citizens of New Jersey -- that is his job. As for the crowd demographic, Christie can't make young people attend town hall meetings. I guess he could do like Obama and have a union bus them in for the occasion but, since it's the unions he trying to bust, I'm guessing they wouldn't be much help

[ElNono]

He's being accountable to the citizens of New Jersey -- that is his job. As for the crowd demographic, Christie can't make young people attend town hall meetings. I guess he could do like Obama and have a union bus them in for the occasion but, since it's the unions he trying to bust, I'm guessing they wouldn't be much help

He sure knows how to bus in caterers... Obama should genuinely be worried of getting eaten alive if this guy runs for President...

[Capt Bringdown]

In the end, we get the politics we deserve I suppose. If people are stupid enough to fall for anti-worker rhetoric, god help us.

[Yonivore]

He sure knows how to bus in caterers... Obama should genuinely be worried of getting eaten alive if this guy runs for President...
Wouldn't it something if Obama had the confidence of his convictions that would allow him to speak extemporaneously, that passionately, on anything?

[Yonivore]

In the end, we get the politics we deserve I suppose. If people are stupid enough to fall for anti-worker rhetoric, god help us.
What anti-worker rhetoric?

[Wild Cobra]

He sure knows how to bus in caterers... Obama should genuinely be worried of getting eaten alive if this guy runs for President...
Hmmm....

I never though about him as president, but now that you mention it. I think I like that idea.

[jack sommerset]

Hmmm....

I never though about him as president, but now that you mention it. I think I like that idea.

I'm thinking who I would hate so much that I would vote for Obama in 2012. I can't think of one.

[ElNono]

Wouldn't it something if Obama had the confidence of his convictions that would allow him to speak extemporaneously, that passionately, on anything?

What makes you think that wasn't scripted?
That he doesn't have a teleprompter doesn't mean he didn't practice the routine in front of a mirror a million and one time. That's just politics.

[ElNono]

Hmmm....

I never though about him as president, but now that you mention it. I think I like that idea.

He's definitely gonna go for it, I'm sure. Even if he gets jackshit done in NJ, his 'fighting the union' rhetoric sure rings true to the GOP core.

[Yonivore]

What makes you think that wasn't scripted?
That he doesn't have a teleprompter doesn't mean he didn't practice the routine in front of a mirror a million and one time. That's just politics.
I doubt it but, even if; don't you wish Obama could do that?

[ElNono]

I doubt it but, even if; don't you wish Obama could do that?

lying is lying is lying

I don't particularly care how they do it...

[Yonivore]

lying is lying is lying

I don't particularly care how they do it...
About what is Christie lying?

[Ignignokt]

El NONO just got bish slapt!

[Winehole23]

Who's the referee now, silly bish?:rollin

[Winehole23]

Don't we have a 1% ad valorem cap in Texas? What else is gonna get raised to fill the $11-17 billion (http://www.texastribune.org/topics/2011-budget-shortfall/) shortfall?

[ElNono]

About what is Christie lying?

Accountability, obviously. Awarding no-bid contracts to friends, supporters, and allies really tells you what kind of accountability he's talking about.

[ElNono]

LOL @ the cheerleader... it's not like Yoni needs help

[Ignignokt]

Who's the referee now, silly bish?:rollin

referee <<<<<<<<<<<< forum cop, on whose the biggest bitch scale.

[Ignignokt]

LOL @ the cheerleader... it's not like Yoni needs help

LOL @ El Nono, Obama's dick has shriveled inside his mouth and now he just has the bad aftertaste.

[Winehole23]

referee <<<<<<<<<<<< forum cop, on whose the biggest bitch scale.Pots jeering at kettles, my man.

[ElNono]

LOL @ El Nono, Obama's dick has shriveled inside his mouth and now he just has the bad aftertaste.

I didn't vote for Obama and I couldn't care less about Obama.

[Capt Bringdown]

New Jersey Battles Over Tax On Millionaires (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65J1NQ20100620)


According to the nonpartisan Office of Legislative Services, a retired couple living on a fixed income of $40,000 would see an increase of $1,320 in taxes under the governor's plan while a family making $1.2 million would receive a tax cut of $11,598.

Awake from your dogmatic slumber, Americans. Conservatives and their center-right partners (aka The Democratic Party) are waging a ruthless class war on working people and the poor.

Tax cuts for millionaires, more taxes and declining wages and standard of living for you - is this the best deal available America?

[Winehole23]

Tax cuts for millionaires, more taxes and declining wages and standard of living for you - is this the best deal available America?It's the only result imaginable. We pawned our future to save the shitty banks and broker-dealers from default. To cushion the blow to confidence in the US, we've debased the currency and assumed unsustainable levels of deficit and debt.

Eventually the millionaires will have to pay more too. Our money will be worth less, we'll get paid less in real terms, and government services will be cut.

The lifestyle zenith may already have been reached in the US. Maybe now we're just starting to settle down to the level of the rest of the world.

[Capt Bringdown]

It's the only result imaginable.
Hardly. Beware the deficit hawks. I'm reminded of the run up to the Iraq war - the problem is a lack of real dicussion and info flow in our democracy. Don't let the conservative mainstream media define the options/talking points for you. I'm not convinced the powers at be are exploring all the options, are you? Only the options that benefit their own interests it seems to me.


We pawned our future to save the shitty banks and broker-dealers from default. To cushion the blow to confidence in the US, we've debased the currency and assumed unsustainable levels of deficit and debt.

Eventually the millionaires will have to pay more too. Our money will be worth less, we'll get paid less in real terms, and government services will be cut.


We get paid less already. Look up the decline in real wages that has been going on for the last 30 years.
Also look up Eisenhower's tax rate on millionaires.


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The lifestyle zenith may already have been reached in the US. Maybe now we're just starting to settle down to the level of the rest of the world.
Settle down to third world levels you mean, right? We're already behind many other industrialized nations/Western democracies in terms of social services, education, health care and other factors.

[George Gervin's Afro]

New Jersey Battles Over Tax On Millionaires (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65J1NQ20100620)



Awake from your dogmatic slumber, Americans. Conservatives and their center-right partners (aka The Democratic Party) are waging a ruthless class war on working people and the poor.

Tax cuts for millionaires, more taxes and declining wages and standard of living for you - is this the best deal available America?

This is the GOP political platform in a nutshell...

[Wild Cobra]

New Jersey Battles Over Tax On Millionaires (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65J1NQ20100620)



Awake from your dogmatic slumber, Americans. Conservatives and their center-right partners (aka The Democratic Party) are waging a ruthless class war on working people and the poor.

Tax cuts for millionaires, more taxes and declining wages and standard of living for you - is this the best deal available America?
Bullshit.

You libtards never learn. You cannot tax yourself into prosperity. You don't need higher taxes, you need more tax payers. Keep raising taxes, and the people who have the money, relocate. You lose tax payers.

[Wild Cobra]

This is the GOP political platform in a nutshell...
What...

Wanting fair taxes rather than more and more redistribution of wealth?

When will you people with room temperature IQ's wake up?

[Wild Cobra]

We get paid less already. Look up the decline in real wages that has been going on for the last 30 years.
Yep... The supply and demand of labor. The sad truth is that as women went to work, the real wages went down. Now it takes two incomes to bring in the money of one income.

Also look up Eisenhower's tax rate on millionaires.

There wasn't a global economy like today. Now the rich simply relocate their residency, so do businesses.

[ElNono]

According to the nonpartisan Office of Legislative Services, a retired couple living on a fixed income of $40,000 would see an increase of $1,320 in taxes under the governor's plan while a family making $1.2 million would receive a tax cut of $11,598.


Wanting fair taxes rather than more and more redistribution of wealth?

Looks like redistribution of wealth to me...