Recent Studies: Atheists have, on average, higher IQs than religious people.

[Blake]

Well, this is the way true atheists speak and think. I'm pretty sure all atheists believe in equal rights for illegal immigrants, are out to cure world hunger and disease, donate money to charity, save the babies from Haiti:cry, etc.

Well, this is a lie.

[Proxy]

Well, this is the way true atheists speak and think. I'm pretty sure all atheists believe in equal rights for illegal immigrants, are out to cure world hunger and disease, donate money to charity, save the babies from Haiti:cry, etc.

Did you know Manu is an atheist?

[Bill_Brasky]

Fresh out the box. Stop, look, and watch! Ready yet? Get set...




Its Allllll That!

[Rip-Hamilton32]

I'm not reading this entire thing but I have a friend from highschool who after school had nothing to do, no more sports kind of isolated him self from his friends and decided to go to church and then this summer him and 30 other people from his church went to Ethiopia to force their religion on these people who for thousands of years have survived and lived without this so called God all of a sudden need this bullshit forced into their lives? How about instead of buying 30 plane tickets you spend the money on food and supplies and actually help them. I'm native American so my people have almost been eliminated by Catholics and religion, maybe had more people adapted the Native culture things would be better, once again I did not read past page 3.

[Rip-Hamilton32]

And another thing the kids who I went to school with (public school) were way behind intelligence wise, they were either immature or just strange.

[xellos88330]

who said we currently live in a perfect world?

Wal Mart was built on the backs of slaves, in that sense, but they still had the option to work at HEB.

Still you would need the almighty dollar. You get to choose your owners sure, but you still can't choose the fact that you need money or need to feed off people who have it.

[mingus]

I'm not reading this entire thing but I have a friend from highschool who after school had nothing to do, no more sports kind of isolated him self from his friends and decided to go to church and then this summer him and 30 other people from his church went to Ethiopia to force their religion on these people who for thousands of years have survived and lived without this so called God all of a sudden need this bullshit forced into their lives? How about instead of buying 30 plane tickets you spend the money on food and supplies and actually help them. I'm native American so my people have almost been eliminated by Catholics and religion, maybe had more people adapted the Native culture things would be better, once again I did not read past page 3.

I've backpacked throughout a lot of Africa. Ethiopia is religious and has been for close to 2,000 years. Christianity and Islam pervade Ethiopia. I don't know what you are saying. Ethiopia is the most amazing place I've ever been, btw, and I've been to countless countries around the world (I like traveling).

[Blake]

Still you would need the almighty dollar. You get to choose your owners sure, but you still can't choose the fact that you need money or need to feed off people who have it.

Kunta Kinte feels your pain

[Blake]

That's because you hear what you want to hear.


name one atheist that's made that claim.

Source and exact quote.

Still waiting.

[mingus]

Still waiting.

You don't have to wait. I don't move for you, not because I can't but because I am selective in who I move for. I have no desire to move for a cuckhold bitch.

[Clipper Nation]

Well, this is the way true atheists speak and think. I'm pretty sure all atheists believe in equal rights for illegal immigrants, are out to cure world hunger and disease, donate money to charity, save the babies from Haiti:cry, etc.

You're a dumbfuck, tbh....

[DMC]

Some people are more ignorant than others. Mentally, we are not all equals. Some are bound to peak at flipping burgers, changing your oil or blowing grass from your sidewalk, some at repairing hearts, guiding a spacecraft or performing some black ops mission in some remote country.

Some people form beliefs based on "gut feeling" rather than information.

That's just inductive reasoning rather than deductive reasoning (Everything I've seen is X therefore everything is X)

Many of these people are introduced to the concept of God early in life and are told repeated that God is real, and the evidence is that "creation" is all around them. It's good enough for them and they don't really question it.

Think of it in terms of a group of slaves who just toil away in the field because that's all they know. Once in a while one might rise up and question his life, and might escape or die trying. The rest just shake their heads and comment "poor lost soul" and go about their business. That's how religion is except they are taught to actively seek out non-believers and attempt to convert them by "preaching the gospel (good news)" which is what they consider the truth. They actually feel they are doing something good so when you ask difficult questions, they shake their heads at each other and say "poor lost soul".

[Avante]

Here's a list of all the advantages to being an atheist.

[Blake]

You don't have to wait. I don't move for you, not because I can't but because I am selective in who I move for. I have no desire to move for a cuckhold bitch.

Thanks for confirming you were talking directly out of your asshole.

It gives credence to me calling you a liar and a fucking idiot. :tu

[Blake]

Here's a list of all the advantages to being an atheist.

1. sleeping in on Sundays


feel free to share your list of advantages to believing in an inivisible magical super powered god

[GoodOdor]

Here's a list of all the advantages to being an atheist.

Having higher IQ on average
Having higher income on average
Not believing in a sky daddy
Not feeling guilty when touching yourself
Not hating other retarded religious people because your god told you too
Not having to justify not raping/murdering because "god told me not too:("

[redzero]

Yeah, but at least Christians get to go to heaven. Or at that's what they tell themselves to feel better.

[DMC]

Here's a list of all the advantages to being an atheist.

It's not a choice one makes based on advantages or perks. I could no sooner believe a god exists than I could believe the moon is made of cheese.

[redzero]

Avante is too stupid to understand why his arguments are moronic. Couple that with his rampant dishonesty, and you have the perfect combination of idiocy.

[DMC]

Avante is too stupid to understand why his arguments are moronic. Couple that with his rampant dishonesty, and you have the perfect combination of idiocy.
He makes himself a pop-up target then cries foul when he's repeatedly under fire.

[Ginobilly]

The way ya bad talk religion seems like haysus himself slept with your chick.:lmao

You'll are some dumbfucks, I swear. The truth is, we no longer need organized religion. It's all BS just to take your money. The message is out there for everyone to see and read for free. You know how I know religion is BS? They don't allow women to be priest, rabbi, islamic whatever. If God is about righteousness, then why can't my mom be the head of church?

I only way i'll go back to church that cannibus church from California comes Texas. I'll believe more in God or Allah if Obama legalizes weed.

[Ginobilly]

1. sleeping in on Sundays


feel free to share your list of advantages to believing in an inivisible magical super powered god

starting an empire
keeping social order
slaving people
being a badass
taking down empires and stealing their booty
tricking people into giving up taxes
It has a lot of benefits, but for a select few.
But benefits none the less. That's why fanatical religion is here to stay.
Catholics and certain Christians ya agarraron la onda, but it's muslims and jews who still believe in mumbo-jumbo. Cut your peepee so God could be happy:lmao

[Ginobilly]

Having higher IQ on average
Having higher income on average
Not believing in a sky daddy
Not feeling guilty when touching yourself
Not hating other retarded religious people because your god told you too
Not having to justify not raping/murdering because "god told me not too:("


:lmao at your view of Christians. truth is most people go to church nowadays to meet bitches. Kinda like going to school or a club to socialize.

[GoodOdor]

:lmao at your view of Christians. truth is most people go to church nowadays to meet bitches. Kinda like going to school or a club to socialize.

Where in my post did I say anything about christians?:huh

[redzero]

Then why do the bitches go to church?

[Wild Cobra]

Then why do the bitches go to church?
Just because "church" is generally a Christian term, doesn't mean it's exclusively a christian term.

[GoodOdor]

Just because "church" is generally a Christian term, doesn't mean it's exclusively a christian term.

Church - a place of worship for christians.
Synagogue - a place of worship for jews.
A mosque - a place of worship for muslims.

Are you really this stupid?(rhetorical questions).

[redzero]

Just because "church" is generally a Christian term, doesn't mean it's exclusively a christian term.

Okay? What's that got to do with my question to Ginobilly?

[Wild Cobra]

Church - a place of worship for christians.
Synagogue - a place of worship for jews.
A mosque - a place of worship for muslims.

Are you really this stupid?(rhetorical questions).
Scientology is not Christian. What about the church of Scientology?

[Ginobilly]

Then why do the bitches go to church?

to meet dicks and assholes:lmao

I fingered and got my dick sucked from chicks from catechism. That was enough for me to keep ongoing to class.:lmao

This is stuff I use to do at mass when I went with my parents a kid.
pretend I was reading the bible or song booklet only to be reading the latest issue of PSM/Gamepro/EGM.:lmao
Looking at girls
daydream
eat candy,chew gum
go to the car midway through mass to take some bong rips(I did this when I was older 16,17) came back todo marijuano

[Clipper Nation]

dp

[Clipper Nation]

Here's a list of all the advantages to being an atheist.
Being smarter than evangelicals

Not being a bigot

Not being a dumbass redneck

Not worshiping a magical cult leader in the sky who endorses theft, murder, total destruction of the Earth, judging people, slavery, discrimination against black people and women, incest, human sacrifice, animal sacrifice, and burning all non-believers alive

[Ginobilly]

Being smarter than evangelicals

Not being a bigot

Not being a dumbass redneck

Not worshiping a magical cult leader in the sky who endorses theft, murder, total destruction of the Earth, judging people, slavery, discrimination against black people and women, incest, human sacrifice, animal sacrifice, and burning all non-believers alive

a lot evangelicals that live in my neighborhood are well off. A lot of them have good jobs and own companies. I don't think I would call them dumb. The only atheists I have known were dumb college students going to SAC/UTSA and the struggling artists/hobos asking you for a dollar on 6 street in Austin.

[howbouthemspurs]

Religion destroys societies and causes pointless wars

[Wild Cobra]

Religion destroys societies and causes pointless wars
Bullshit.

Religion is just used as an excuse. Nations will war anyway.

[AussieFanKurt]

Bullshit.

Religion is just used as an excuse. Nations will war anyway.

Even though I am anti religion I have to say I agree with you. Religions obviously contribute but they aren't 100% of the equation. Takes two to tango

[DMC]

Without wars and such the Earth would be overpopulated. It seems mankind's goal is to reach overpopulation since we don't want to ever die and don't want our reproduction limited. We will die like a herd of deer who overpopulate when predators are removed, and die from chronic wasting disease.

[Clipper Nation]

Religion is just used as an excuse. Nations will war anyway.
Not if they don't have bullshit justifications like oil, fake WMD's, and/or religious differences, tbh....

[Wild Cobra]

Not if they don't have bullshit justifications like oil, fake WMD's, and/or religious differences, tbh....
Justification, or reason? Wars are generally over land, resources, etc.

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

One reason why Atheists can read the Bible and further affirm that they're justified in not believing, is because the Bible in English, is very unlike the Bible in Hebrew, or in Aramaic I should say. (Of course there are other reasons as well)

I've heard Atheists say that the bible is bullshit, because it claims that God is omnipotent. So, that would mean God knows that in 3 minutes, this particular person will molest a child, & since he sits idly by when he knows and can prevent it, he is not in fact a loving God. The thing with that is.. The bible in English may say "omnipotent", but in it's original text in Hebrew, the word is "shadday" which simply means "almighty" or "all-powerful". "All knowing" is not one of the definitions of "shadday".

Also, another thing that Atheists find laughable is the concept of Heaven and Hell. The destination for people of God, is not a realm in the sky or cosmos where God resides, in fact, the destination is Earth, or after apocalypse "New Jerusalem". What the bible says (from Hebrew text), is that when people die, they rest until judgement day. That's not acceptable for the Catholic church though, they want people to feel that they'll have instant results.

As far as "Hell" goes. There are two Hebrew words, and two greek words that translate to the English "Hell" in the Bible. Sheol (which means grave), Gehenna (which was an actual geographical location in the Judea area at that time, a place where they would take trash and burn it), the greek Tarturus (which means dark place, & is only used once when referring to the dwelling place of Lucifer), and finally Hades, which also means grave, or underworld. First of all, the common idea of Hell is fiery torture, non-stop with crazy demons... No, that's Dante's version, which the Catholic church adopted. In the bible, it states that when someone is judged on the final day, if they led a wicked life, they receive the "second death" the death of the soul/spirit. That is that, there is no eternal torment, there is only annihilation. The first death is of the body, and the second death is of the soul, that is annihilation, ceasing to exist. It can't be any clearer.

These are two things that if I were to state to a priest or pastor, I'd be labeled a heretic. But that in fact is just fundamental orthodox Christianity.

I understand that those two aspects are not going to convert an atheist, nor would I want to. My religious values are important to me, but I think it's great that people can read the bible for themselves, and choose not to believe in what they read. All I'm saying is that with this information super-highway, people should know the truth of it before making their decision. I feel that it doesn't get a fair chance otherwise, although I know most Atheists would still consider it a joke, but at least know in this case, the devil is NOT in the details. :p

By the way, science is amazing, and we'd be nowhere without it.
I don't feel that not believing would make someone more intelligent or less intelligent.
I came from an unreligious household, but my mother became Christian when she approached old age, and I became a Christian when I actually began reading the Bible out of curiosity, and from then on I had to know everything about it, including reading it in Hebrew.

[BradLohaus]

I'm a Christian, and I don't doubt that atheists, on average, have higher IQ scores than religious people. I also don't doubt the IQ scores of different races. Jews are the highest (by quite a bit: around 115), northeast Asian descent is 2nd (around 105) and northern European descent is 3rd (100). Funny thing about stereotypes...

In the last few years evidence has come out that atheists have a higher rate of autism and Aspergers syndrome. Based on personal experience I don't doubt that either. And yes, there are always many exceptions to these averages.

[mouse]

One reason why Atheists can read the Bible and further affirm that they're justified in not believing, is because the Bible in English, is very unlike the Bible in Hebrew, or in Aramaic I should say. (Of course there are other reasons as well)

I've heard Atheists say that the bible is bullshit, because it claims that God is omnipotent. So, that would mean God knows that in 3 minutes, this particular person will molest a child, & since he sits idly by when he knows and can prevent it, he is not in fact a loving God. The thing with that is.. The bible in English may say "omnipotent", but in it's original text in Hebrew, the word is "shadday" which simply means "almighty" or "all-powerful". "All knowing" is not one of the definitions of "shadday".

Also, another thing that Atheists find laughable is the concept of Heaven and Hell. The destination for people of God, is not a realm in the sky or cosmos where God resides, in fact, the destination is Earth, or after apocalypse "New Jerusalem". What the bible says (from Hebrew text), is that when people die, they rest until judgement day. That's not acceptable for the Catholic church though, they want people to feel that they'll have instant results.

As far as "Hell" goes. There are two Hebrew words, and two greek words that translate to the English "Hell" in the Bible. Sheol (which means grave), Gehenna (which was an actual geographical location in the Judea area at that time, a place where they would take trash and burn it), the greek Tarturus (which means dark place, & is only used once when referring to the dwelling place of Lucifer), and finally Hades, which also means grave, or underworld. First of all, the common idea of Hell is fiery torture, non-stop with crazy demons... No, that's Dante's version, which the Catholic church adopted. In the bible, it states that when someone is judged on the final day, if they led a wicked life, they receive the "second death" the death of the soul/spirit. That is that, there is no eternal torment, there is only annihilation. The first death is of the body, and the second death is of the soul, that is annihilation, ceasing to exist. It can't be any clearer.

These are two things that if I were to state to a priest or pastor, I'd be labeled a heretic. But that in fact is just fundamental orthodox Christianity.

I understand that those two aspects are not going to convert an atheist, nor would I want to. My religious values are important to me, but I think it's great that people can read the bible for themselves, and choose not to believe in what they read. All I'm saying is that with this information super-highway, people should know the truth of it before making their decision. I feel that it doesn't get a fair chance otherwise, although I know most Atheists would still consider it a joke, but at least know in this case, the devil is NOT in the details. :p

By the way, science is amazing, and we'd be nowhere without it.
I don't feel that not believing would make someone more intelligent or less intelligent.
I came from an unreligious household, but my mother became Christian when she approached old age, and I became a Christian when I actually began reading the Bible out of curiosity, and from then on I had to know everything about it, including reading it in Hebrew.

That was one Hell of a reply!

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Tweet of the day

Andy Borowitz ‏@BorowitzReport
Sunday Thought: I may waste a lot of time on Twitter, but I make up for it by not observing a religion.

[mouse]

But doesn't Twitter become your religion?

[Wild Cobra Kai]

One reason why Atheists can read the Bible and further affirm that they're justified in not believing, is because the Bible in English, is very unlike the Bible in Hebrew, or in Aramaic I should say. (Of course there are other reasons as well)

I've heard Atheists say that the bible is bullshit, because it claims that God is omnipotent. So, that would mean God knows that in 3 minutes, this particular person will molest a child, & since he sits idly by when he knows and can prevent it, he is not in fact a loving God. The thing with that is.. The bible in English may say "omnipotent", but in it's original text in Hebrew, the word is "shadday" which simply means "almighty" or "all-powerful". "All knowing" is not one of the definitions of "shadday".

Also, another thing that Atheists find laughable is the concept of Heaven and Hell. The destination for people of God, is not a realm in the sky or cosmos where God resides, in fact, the destination is Earth, or after apocalypse "New Jerusalem". What the bible says (from Hebrew text), is that when people die, they rest until judgement day. That's not acceptable for the Catholic church though, they want people to feel that they'll have instant results.

As far as "Hell" goes. There are two Hebrew words, and two greek words that translate to the English "Hell" in the Bible. Sheol (which means grave), Gehenna (which was an actual geographical location in the Judea area at that time, a place where they would take trash and burn it), the greek Tarturus (which means dark place, & is only used once when referring to the dwelling place of Lucifer), and finally Hades, which also means grave, or underworld. First of all, the common idea of Hell is fiery torture, non-stop with crazy demons... No, that's Dante's version, which the Catholic church adopted. In the bible, it states that when someone is judged on the final day, if they led a wicked life, they receive the "second death" the death of the soul/spirit. That is that, there is no eternal torment, there is only annihilation. The first death is of the body, and the second death is of the soul, that is annihilation, ceasing to exist. It can't be any clearer.

These are two things that if I were to state to a priest or pastor, I'd be labeled a heretic. But that in fact is just fundamental orthodox Christianity.

I understand that those two aspects are not going to convert an atheist, nor would I want to. My religious values are important to me, but I think it's great that people can read the bible for themselves, and choose not to believe in what they read. All I'm saying is that with this information super-highway, people should know the truth of it before making their decision. I feel that it doesn't get a fair chance otherwise, although I know most Atheists would still consider it a joke, but at least know in this case, the devil is NOT in the details. :p

By the way, science is amazing, and we'd be nowhere without it.
I don't feel that not believing would make someone more intelligent or less intelligent.
I came from an unreligious household, but my mother became Christian when she approached old age, and I became a Christian when I actually began reading the Bible out of curiosity, and from then on I had to know everything about it, including reading it in Hebrew.

Well, you're proving the IQ point, anyway. :lol

Omnipotent means all powerful. That's it. No other meaning. If that's what the Bible translates into, it's the same as Hebrew or Greek. If you're looking for the word for All Knowing, it's omnisicent. Totally different word, totally different meaning from omnipotent.

Even were that not the case, don't you think it would be pretty stupid to have a God that is all powerful, and NOT all knowing?

"I smite thee"
"But Lord, we were building you a temple"
"Oh, It looked kind of Satanish. Sorry."

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

Why would it be stupid to be all powerful, and not be all knowing? In the bible, one of the most important things that a human possesses is their free will. Why would God stress free will, if he knows very well every single thing that you'll do with it? If he knows that you'll murder people your whole life, he'd do well to nip you in the bud, but that isn't the case.

& I made a mistake before, the word "shadday" BARELY translates into the word "almighty" for lack of a more accurate word in the English language. If you think that the Bible is 100% accurately translated from Hebrew to Greek (some texts starting out greek), Greek to Latin, & then Latin to English, then you sir are dense.

Now that information is flowing freely via the internet, it's time to abandon
the obsolete way that Christianity has been viewed. Now everyone can know what everything in the Bible truly means, everyone can now differentiate between allegory, metaphor, poetry and the literal. In the end, Christianity is still just another religion, even if it is the most popular in the world, and even if it has been used as a tool for mind control, it's still another religion. But it just so happens to be mine, and I like what kind of person I am because of it.

[DMC]

The Problem of Evil was addressed a long ass time ago.

[mouse]

The Problem of Evil was addressed a long ass time ago.

Link?

[mouse]

http://www.skepdic.com/graphics/dembski.jpg

[Blake]

Why would it be stupid to be all powerful, and not be all knowing? In the bible, one of the most important things that a human possesses is their free will. Why would God stress free will, if he knows very well every single thing that you'll do with it? If he knows that you'll murder people your whole life, he'd do well to nip you in the bud, but that isn't the case.

Psalm 139:4 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

4 For there is not a word in my tongue, Lo, O Jehovah, Thou hast known it all


& I made a mistake before, the word "shadday" BARELY translates into the word "almighty" for lack of a more accurate word in the English language. If you think that the Bible is 100% accurately translated from Hebrew to Greek (some texts starting out greek), Greek to Latin, & then Latin to English, then you sir are dense.

Now that information is flowing freely via the internet, it's time to abandon
the obsolete way that Christianity has been viewed. Now everyone can know what everything in the Bible truly means, everyone can now differentiate between allegory, metaphor, poetry and the literal. In the end, Christianity is still just another religion, even if it is the most popular in the world, and even if it has been used as a tool for mind control, it's still another religion. But it just so happens to be mine, and I like what kind of person I am because of it.

So god allowed generations of people to believe in inaccurate versions of the bible.

Neat.

[BradLohaus]

On religion and war:


Moreover, the chief complaint against religion -- that it is history's prime instigator of intergroup conflict -- does not withstand scrutiny. Religious issues motivate only a small minority of recorded wars. The Encyclopedia of Wars surveyed 1,763 violent conflicts across history; only 123 (7 percent) were religious. A BBC-sponsored "God and War" audit, which evaluated major conflicts over 3,500 years and rated them on a 0-to-5 scale for religious motivation (Punic Wars = 0, Crusades = 5), found that more than 60 percent had no religious motivation. Less than 7 percent earned a rating greater than 3. There was little religious motivation for the internecine Russian and Chinese conflicts or the world wars responsible for history's most lethal century of international bloodshed.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/06/god_and_the_ivory_tower?page=0,2

The author goes on to state that religion can help wars be sustained once they are started, but one could say the same thing about flag waving, ethnicity, payback for past conflict, and so on.

I forgot to mention one potential cause of IQ differences both between and within races that sounds like it would be very applicable to the thread subject as well. IQ studies have found large differences in IQ between people from urban vs. rural environments. This holds between races, across different parts of a related region (north vs. south europe, west vs. east europe) and amongst people who are the exact same ethnicity in relatively close areas.

I found a long article about this.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/race-iq-and-wealth/

I've never tried to look this up, but I would think that the vast, vast majority of atheists in the west are urban whites (which would include plenty of ethnic Jews), with a large amount of urban asians as well. However many atheist Hispancis/Blacks/Arabs/ etc. there are, they are probably urban as well. Could be something to this, or maybe not because...

That author says that even though this holds for Europeans, East Asian IQs don't exhibit the same socio-economic aspects. He wrote a shorter, seperate article going more into that:

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-east-asian-exception-to-socio-economic-iq-influences/

The east asian exception seems very significant to me given their very high average IQs, but I guess the surface is just starting to get scratched on this subject given that it's an absolute certainty that it will anger the high priests of PC if race and sex are studied. Already has, actually, if you remember the Larry Summers vs. Harvard incident.

LSS, IIRC: Summers was the president of Harvard when he was asked why women were underrepresented in science and enigineering. He basically said that while men and women have basically the same average IQ, the bell curve of women is tighter, more evenly distributed, than the bell curve of men, meaning more men of very high or very low IQs, thus more men in these fields. I don't think he was fired but he resigned not too long after amid controversy.

So if youre scoring at home: Atheists smarter than theists? A-OK, fair topic. More genius level IQ men vs. women? Bigot, not to even be considered.

[DMC]

On religion and war:



http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/06/god_and_the_ivory_tower?page=0,2

The author goes on to state that religion can help wars be sustained once they are started, but one could say the same thing about flag waving, ethnicity, payback for past conflict, and so on.

I forgot to mention one potential cause of IQ differences both between and within races that sounds like it would be very applicable to the thread subject as well. IQ studies have found large differences in IQ between people from urban vs. rural environments. This holds between races, across different parts of a related region (north vs. south europe, west vs. east europe) and amongst people who are the exact same ethnicity in relatively close areas.

I found a long article about this.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/race-iq-and-wealth/

I've never tried to look this up, but I would think that the vast, vast majority of atheists in the west are urban whites (which would include plenty of ethnic Jews), with a large amount of urban asians as well. However many atheist Hispancis/Blacks/Arabs/ etc. there are, they are probably urban as well. Could be something to this, or maybe not because...

That author says that even though this holds for Europeans, East Asian IQs don't exhibit the same socio-economic aspects. He wrote a shorter, seperate article going more into that:

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-east-asian-exception-to-socio-economic-iq-influences/

The east asian exception seems very significant to me given their very high average IQs, but I guess the surface is just starting to get scratched on this subject given that it's an absolute certainty that it will anger the high priests of PC if race and sex are studied. Already has, actually, if you remember the Larry Summers vs. Harvard incident.

LSS, IIRC: Summers was the president of Harvard when he was asked why women were underrepresented in science and enigineering. He basically said that while men and women have basically the same average IQ, the bell curve of women is tighter, more evenly distributed, than the bell curve of men, meaning more men of very high or very low IQs, thus more men in these fields. I don't think he was fired but he resigned not too long after amid controversy.

So if youre scoring at home: Atheists smarter than theists? A-OK, fair topic. More genius level IQ men vs. women? Bigot, not to even be considered.
I didn't read all of that but it seems you agree with the OP.

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

Psalm 139:4 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

4 For there is not a word in my tongue, Lo, O Jehovah, Thou hast known it all



So god allowed generations of people to believe in inaccurate versions of the bible.

Neat.

That scripture is supposed to prove that God is omniscient?
& God allows human beings to do whatever they want, that's the problem with free will, why should he intervene with interpretations or mistranslations? In Yeshua's time, there were hundreds of Rabbi's, each with their own "yoke" of the Torah. These days, if you have a different interpretation, you start your own denomination, or be labeled a heretic.

[Wild Cobra]

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Why didn't they pull him up with the wires?

[SA210]

One reason why Atheists can read the Bible and further affirm that they're justified in not believing, is because the Bible in English, is very unlike the Bible in Hebrew, or in Aramaic I should say. (Of course there are other reasons as well)

I've heard Atheists say that the bible is bullshit, because it claims that God is omnipotent. So, that would mean God knows that in 3 minutes, this particular person will molest a child, & since he sits idly by when he knows and can prevent it, he is not in fact a loving God. The thing with that is.. The bible in English may say "omnipotent", but in it's original text in Hebrew, the word is "shadday" which simply means "almighty" or "all-powerful". "All knowing" is not one of the definitions of "shadday".

Also, another thing that Atheists find laughable is the concept of Heaven and Hell. The destination for people of God, is not a realm in the sky or cosmos where God resides, in fact, the destination is Earth, or after apocalypse "New Jerusalem". What the bible says (from Hebrew text), is that when people die, they rest until judgement day. That's not acceptable for the Catholic church though, they want people to feel that they'll have instant results.

As far as "Hell" goes. There are two Hebrew words, and two greek words that translate to the English "Hell" in the Bible. Sheol (which means grave), Gehenna (which was an actual geographical location in the Judea area at that time, a place where they would take trash and burn it), the greek Tarturus (which means dark place, & is only used once when referring to the dwelling place of Lucifer), and finally Hades, which also means grave, or underworld. First of all, the common idea of Hell is fiery torture, non-stop with crazy demons... No, that's Dante's version, which the Catholic church adopted. In the bible, it states that when someone is judged on the final day, if they led a wicked life, they receive the "second death" the death of the soul/spirit. That is that, there is no eternal torment, there is only annihilation. The first death is of the body, and the second death is of the soul, that is annihilation, ceasing to exist. It can't be any clearer.

These are two things that if I were to state to a priest or pastor, I'd be labeled a heretic. But that in fact is just fundamental orthodox Christianity.

I understand that those two aspects are not going to convert an atheist, nor would I want to. My religious values are important to me, but I think it's great that people can read the bible for themselves, and choose not to believe in what they read. All I'm saying is that with this information super-highway, people should know the truth of it before making their decision. I feel that it doesn't get a fair chance otherwise, although I know most Atheists would still consider it a joke, but at least know in this case, the devil is NOT in the details. :p

By the way, science is amazing, and we'd be nowhere without it.
I don't feel that not believing would make someone more intelligent or less intelligent.
I came from an unreligious household, but my mother became Christian when she approached old age, and I became a Christian when I actually began reading the Bible out of curiosity, and from then on I had to know everything about it, including reading it in Hebrew.

This is true :tu:tu

[Venti Quattro]

This goes without saying. Atheists pretty much rely on logic and a sense of order and purpose in the world.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

This goes without saying. Atheists pretty much rely on logic and a sense of order and purpose in the world.

/thread

Atheists constantly think about and evaluate the world. Religiots drift through like plankton, waiting for that "better place" and reading their bible.

The mind is like a muscle: use it or lose it.

[GoodOdor]

This goes without saying. Atheists pretty much rely on logic and a sense of order and purpose in the world.

Not only that, but they don't even have to be told that raping a 4 year old is wrong by some cosmic entity. They got that shit figured out by themselfs.

Silly theists:lol

[DisAsTerBot]

In the last few years evidence has come out that atheists have a higher rate of autism and Aspergers syndrome. Based on personal experience I don't doubt that either.

:rollin

[Blake]

That scripture is supposed to prove that God is omniscient?

on it's own, I think it's enough, but there are plenty of scriptures that reaffirm God is all knowing and can see the future.


& God allows human beings to do whatever they want, that's the problem with free will, why should he intervene with interpretations or mistranslations? In Yeshua's time, there were hundreds of Rabbi's, each with their own "yoke" of the Torah. These days, if you have a different interpretation, you start your own denomination, or be labeled a heretic.

The problem is that God can see the future, knows I'm going to hell, but created me any way.

What a friend.

[Blake]

This is true :tu:tu

SA210 is easily swayed by fancy words.

[Blake]

One reason why Atheists can read the Bible and further affirm that they're justified in not believing, is because the Bible in English, is very unlike the Bible in Hebrew, or in Aramaic I should say. (Of course there are other reasons as well)

So God made it hard on non Aramaic speakers by creating different languages at the tower of babel.

What a friend.

[RandomGuy]

I've heard Atheists say that the bible is bullshit, because it claims that God is omnipotent. So, that would mean God knows that in 3 minutes, this particular person will molest a child, & since he sits idly by when he knows and can prevent it, he is not in fact a loving God. The thing with that is.. The bible in English may say "omnipotent", but in it's original text in Hebrew, the word is "shadday" which simply means "almighty" or "all-powerful". "All knowing" is not one of the definitions of "shadday".

There is so much else outside of the translations or not that is fundamentally flawed with the Bible as some chronicle of reality that have almost nothing to do with nitpicky bullshit about mis-translations.

[it's me]

If the judeo-christian god actually exists as interpreted and written about in the old and new testament, he certainly is a motherfucker son of a bitch, a bloodthirsty lunatic…. no matter if it’s an animal or a human (jesus 100% man, Numbers 31:24-40) …. Dude wanted to see blood and implemented the barbarian and ridiculous “sacrifice system”, shit… he’s fucking god…. could have invented a more “loving” stupid system to forgive his own defective creation.

Fortunately, that god is just an invention.

[BradLohaus]

:rollin

There are probably tons of articles you could search for on atheism and Apergers/autism. Here are a couple I found quickly:

People with Asperger’s less likely to see purpose behind the events in their lives

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2010/05/29/people-with-aspergers-less-likely-to-see-purpose-behind-the-events-in-their-lives/

Why Are High-Functioning Autistics More Likely to Be Atheists or Agnostics?

http://www.scienceandreligiontoday.com/2011/09/26/why-are-high-functioning-autistics-more-likely-to-be-atheists-or-agnostics/

And yes I do think atheists have higher than average IQs. As I said, there are differences, often very large differences, in many different human categories. Examples are: religion, race and ethnicity, urban/rural, all kinds of political beliefs, socio-economics, and distance that your genetic ancestors lived to the equator.

These differences have been discussed for quite a while now. In my experience, people often like to focus on the ones that suit their beliefs and say that they are concrete and fundamental intelligence differences between the groups, while at the same time they dismiss the differences that don't suit their beliefs as due to external factors.

[mouse]

Why didn't they pull him up with the wires?

Because they had very strong thin cables. Remember NASA had the latest technology they was using Velcro before your Dad's first wallet.

[Wild Cobra]

Because they had very strong thin cables. Remember NASA had the latest technology they was using Velcro before your Dad's first wallet.
Yes, I know.

They got Velcro from the Vulcans.

[mouse]

Yes, I know.

They got Velcro from the Vulcans.

:lmao

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[Agloco]

http://www.tribbleagency.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/kirk-tribble.jpg

:tu Great episode. Isn't that Kirk holding your brain in this shot?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

There are probably tons of articles you could search for on atheism and Apergers/autism. Here are a couple I found quickly:

People with Asperger’s less likely to see purpose behind the events in their lives

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2010/05/29/people-with-aspergers-less-likely-to-see-purpose-behind-the-events-in-their-lives/

Why Are High-Functioning Autistics More Likely to Be Atheists or Agnostics?

http://www.scienceandreligiontoday.com/2011/09/26/why-are-high-functioning-autistics-more-likely-to-be-atheists-or-agnostics/

And yes I do think atheists have higher than average IQs. As I said, there are differences, often very large differences, in many different human categories. Examples are: religion, race and ethnicity, urban/rural, all kinds of political beliefs, socio-economics, and distance that your genetic ancestors lived to the equator.

These differences have been discussed for quite a while now. In my experience, people often like to focus on the ones that suit their beliefs and say that they are concrete and fundamental intelligence differences between the groups, while at the same time they dismiss the differences that don't suit their beliefs as due to external factors.

I find it interesting that in a discussion about aspies and atheism that your source never mentions the two clinical requirements for diagnosis of aspergers.

1) They are oblivious to social cues ie they have no idea if a person is mad, sad, disapproving or in any other emotional state

2) Obsessive behavior

To me its not very hard to understand why aspies are often atheists. Thesim is a human construction and learned. It is not inherent and as such if you cannot convey the notion of faith or belief or zeal or fervor then it's hard to convince someone that relies on empirical findings.

I did like how the author ignored the diagnosis but instead tried to paint aspies as deficient in cognitive abilities and that is what causes the atheism instead of looking at what aspects of the diagnosis might cause it.

[mouse]

:tu Great episode. Isn't that Kirk holding your brain in this shot?

Yes in his left hand. In his right hand is yours.