Iphone HD Leak !!!! LMAO

[lefty]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/111792658.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1275925327&Signature=7ruR6v%2FfR%2F%2FNajrGNTV3fi1hsHE%3D


Today's Apple conference is not even over, but someone posted a pic :lmao

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Hmm. Still looking for the punchline.

[Trainwreck2100]

:lol a picture of a picture, so funny, you sir, are a comic genius

[lefty]

:lol a picture of a picture, so funny, you sir, are a comic genius
At least it's an official one :lol

[Cry Havoc]

I see no photo.

[IronMexican]

So it wont be called the 4gs? Probably cause of no 4g coverage.

[lefty]

Dammit !

The website has been taken down !

I'll try to find another link

[Sisk]

So it wont be called the 4gs? Probably cause of no 4g coverage.

Most are saying there wont be a 4G iPhone until next year.

And.. I see no picture.. but there have been multiple leaks of the next-gen iPhone. You're late to the party, Lefty.

[lefty]

http://briefmobile.com/new-apple-iphone-called-iphone-hd

[Sisk]

Are you trying to post a picture that looks like this?

http://cache-02.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/04/iphone1.jpg

[Trainwreck2100]

[QUOTE=Sisk;4401837]Are you trying to post a picture that looks like this?

[IMG]

no it was a poster

[Sisk]

Hahaha well the conference actually hasn't even started, but yeah rumors were the phone would be called iPhone HD.

[Cry Havoc]

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/imagessubs/6f0f9df23de948b4a27beaf607a9bf65.jpg

Could be a fake pic.

I think the name is real though. iPhone HD is likely the name of the device.

[lefty]

Are you trying to post a picture that looks like this?

http://cache-02.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/04/iphone1.jpg



Already posted those a long time ago

[Cry Havoc]

All I know is, after spending just a single weekend using my Evo 4G, Apple is going to have to pull a rabbit out of it's hat to compete with this phone. It's freaking phenomenal. The screen is just big enough to enjoy a movie on. It's a fantastic phone.

Streaming 4G at work right now to listen to Pandora radio. Even the external speaker out of this thing sounds pretty damn respectable.

[Sisk]

Already posted those a long time ago

I know, but I couldn't see what you were trying to post a pic of.


All I know is, after spending just a single weekend using my Evo 4G, Apple is going to have to pull a rabbit out of it's hat to compete with this phone. It's freaking phenomenal. The screen is just big enough to enjoy a movie on. It's a fantastic phone.

Streaming 4G at work right now to listen to Pandora radio. Even the external speaker out of this thing sounds pretty damn respectable.

I might be having crow dinner after our little "debate" the other day. That damn thing is incredible... :toast

[Cry Havoc]

I might be having crow dinner after our little "debate" the other day. That damn thing is incredible... :toast

:lol

One thing that puzzles me... I don't get why people say that Froyo is so much faster than 2.1. I have not seen this phone lag a single time. I tell it to open a program and BAM it's open. Even dolphin HD browser flies. So I don't really get where 2.1 is considered all that slow. I DO use Advanced Task Killer though, but even so, this phone is FAST.

[lefty]

I know, but I couldn't see what you were trying to post a pic of.
Ah, OK :D

[TheMACHINE]

damn...so is verizon gonna come out with a 4g phone?

[Duff McCartney]

All I know is, after spending just a single weekend using my Evo 4G, Apple is going to have to pull a rabbit out of it's hat to compete with this phone. It's freaking phenomenal. The screen is just big enough to enjoy a movie on. It's a fantastic phone.

Streaming 4G at work right now to listen to Pandora radio. Even the external speaker out of this thing sounds pretty damn respectable.

I'm getting that phone in september. I already qualify for the upgrade and just need to scrape together enough cash for that 200 dollar price tag. I wanted to wait until all the bugs were worked out of it.

I learned my lesson with the Palm Pre..that was definitely a phone not worth waiting for.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Surely the CPU used in the iPhone HD will be more current and faster than the almost 2 year old one in the EVO.

[IronMexican]

Does anyone really give a fuck about the charts? Just get past this, Jobs.

[IronMexican]

Does anyone have a stream? Blog updates suck.

[Cry Havoc]

Surely the CPU used in the iPhone HD will be more current and faster than the almost 2 year old one in the EVO.

Almost 2 years old? The Snapdragon wasn't even available in a consumer product until the 2nd half of 2009.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(processor)

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Hmm. Don't know why it's not sending you straight to the page. Copied and pasted the link.

[Cry Havoc]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(processor)

"available since the fourth quarter of 2008"

So at the oldest, it's 18 months. And despite the fact that it was available when the iPhone 3GS was released, they didn't use it in that phone. It's not exactly "dated" hardware when it's the fastest processor you can buy in a cell phone at the moment.

[Cry Havoc]

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/steve-jobs-live-from-wwdc-2010/

For those of you who want something to read at work. :hat

[Cry Havoc]

Nothing too impressive so far. I think it's :lol that Apple is making everyone sit through these boring demos while they're all waiting to see the new iPhone announced.

[Cry Havoc]

:lol

Rock Band.

:lol

I remember when rhythm games were sooo cool, back in 2008.

[Cry Havoc]

Here we go... Steve is about to talk about the iPhone.

[Cry Havoc]

"The first is a report that just came out from Nielsen. They said what is the marketshare in the US? RIM, #1 with 35%, iPhone, 28%, Windows 19%, Android 9%... Nielsen said we're over three times the marketshare of Android."

:lmao Apple is obviously scared. Why are they singling Android out? Because they know that that figure is rapidly changing, and yesterday alone probably shifted a few more points in Android's favor, and will continue to do so as Evos and Incredibles saturate the market.

[IronMexican]

Iphone4. hmmm

[Cry Havoc]

It's called

iPhone 4.

Hmm.

[Sisk]

LOL the live feed:

10:32 am "Believe me, you ain't seen it."

[Cry Havoc]

Hate to break it to you Stevie, but that 3" screen is tiny nowadays in the phone world. It might have been awesome when the first iPhone came out, but it's nothing special now. Sorry.

[Sisk]

Cry Havoc, you really hate iPhones.. lol

[Cry Havoc]

It's approximately .365 inches thick. So it's around .14 inches thinner than the Evo. Is there such a thing as too thin?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

"available since the fourth quarter of 2008"

So at the oldest, it's 18 months. And despite the fact that it was available when the iPhone 3GS was released, they didn't use it in that phone. It's not exactly "dated" hardware when it's the fastest processor you can buy in a cell phone at the moment.

Moment. Keyword. That A4 chip is pretty mighty. And newer.

[Cry Havoc]

Cry Havoc, you really hate iPhones.. lol

You forget, I owned an iPhone for 2 years. I just hate the pompous attitude that Apple throws around.

[Sisk]

It's approximately .365 inches thick. So it's around .14 inches thinner than the Evo. Is there such a thing as too thin?

Well, if the iPhone is .14 inches thinner, wouldn't the Evo be too thin in your mind, if the iPhone is?

[Sisk]

You forget, I owned an iPhone for 2 years. I just hate the pompous attitude that Apple throws around.

I'll agree with that, but what else would you expect from a corporation with a cult?

[Cry Havoc]

960x640 resolution. Pretty impressive. They're going to have a loooot of pixel density on the screen. That's a good thing for people getting the iPhone 4.

[Cry Havoc]

Well, if the iPhone is .14 inches thinner, wouldn't the Evo be too thin in your mind, if the iPhone is?

Not really. The width of the Evo makes it pretty comfortable to hold. My hands are less cramped than they were with the 3G.

[Sisk]

10:36 am New display technology, dramatically increases pixel density. 4x as many in same amount of space.

[IronMexican]

It's approximately .365 inches thick. So it's around .14 inches thinner than the Evo. Is there such a thing as too thin?

:lmao

[Cry Havoc]

:lmao

I only say that because I had difficulty handling my iPhone at times, because of the size. The Evo is a much larger phone, so it's not as big of a deal.

Who knows. Maybe the iPhone 4 will be extremely easy to handle and text on.

[Cry Havoc]

10:36 am New display technology, dramatically increases pixel density. 4x as many in same amount of space.

800x480x4.3" for the Evo.
960x640x3.1"(?) for the iPhone.

If you've got small pockets, the iPhone is definitely a better bet. High pixel count but a smaller screen. It's a trade-off.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Who knows. Maybe the iPhone 4 will be extremely easy to handle and text on.

Just like the 3GS is. :tu

[Sisk]

lol the website wont load for the demo..

[Cry Havoc]

10:41AM "You know you could help me out, if you're on WiFi if you could just get off... well we're having a little problem here." Oh boy, the iPhone 4 is NOT loading.

:lmao

[Cry Havoc]

Just like the 3GS is. :tu

Meh. It's far easier to text on my Evo.

[Sisk]

10:44 am Someone shouts, "Try Verizon."

[Viva Las Espuelas]

10:41AM "You know you could help me out, if you're on WiFi if you could just get off... well we're having a little problem here." Oh boy, the iPhone 4 is NOT loading.

:lmao

Hmmm. Didn't know wifi spots have unlimited bandwith........

[Sisk]

Hmmm. Didn't know wifi spots have unlimited bandwith........

:lol

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Meh. It's far easier to text on my Evo.

Should be even easier on the iPhone HD.

[Cry Havoc]

For those of you who think I hate the iPhone, I just recommended that my girlfriend buy one (she thinks my phone is too big).

[Cry Havoc]

Should be even easier on the iPhone HD.

Why do you say that? A 4.3 inch screen is going to blow away a 3.1" for texting. This isn't really debatable here.

[Sisk]

I can text like an animal on my 3GS. I'd say I could probably do 60 WPM. Complete estimate though, might even be higher..

[Sisk]

Why do you say that? A 4.3 inch screen is going to blow away a 3.1" for texting. This isn't really debatable here.

Your keyboard covers your whole screen? Plus, it's a 3.5 inch screen.

[lefty]

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/06/apple-wwdc-2010-147-rm-eng.jpg

http://www.engadget.com/

[Cry Havoc]

Your keyboard covers your whole screen? Plus, it's a 3.5 inch screen.

Yes.

Regardless, a full inch is a massive difference when you're talking about how small individual keys are.

I could text like crazy on my 3G, but I'm even faster on my Evo. It's insane.

[Sisk]

Yes.

Regardless, a full inch is a massive difference when you're talking about how small individual keys are.

I could text like crazy on my 3G, but I'm even faster on my Evo. It's insane.

Size of the keys has never been a problem for me. I use both thumbs and can type quite quickly.

[Cry Havoc]

It's got a gyroscope. Pretty cool.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Why do you say that? A 4.3 inch screen is going to blow away a 3.1" for texting. This isn't really debatable here.

Never an issue with me. In fact, I'm replying on my iPhone right now. Pretty easy. :tu

[Cry Havoc]

Size of the keys has never been a problem for me. I use both thumbs and can type quite quickly.

Likewise, but the fact that the keys are bigger on the Evo makes it easier to type faster.

[Cry Havoc]

Never an issue with me. In fact, I'm replying on my iPhone right now. Pretty easy. :tu

And I'm typing away on my Evo at the moment. :hat

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I can text like an animal on my 3GS. I'd say I could probably do 60 WPM. Complete estimate though, might even be higher..

Word. Borderline insane.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Let's have a typing party!!!!

:lmao

[Cry Havoc]

The camera on the iPhone looks phenomenal.

[Sisk]

HD video recording. Win.

[Sisk]

Let's have a typing party!!!!

:lmao

Some girl that had a curve when I worked at AT&T tried to beat me in a typing race.. it was a bloodbath :lol

[lefty]

Yay

Font-facing camera to see if the chick seating behind you is still checking you out.

:D

[IronMexican]

60 WPM is ridiculous. I'm probably at 75 on my pc.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Some girl that had a curve when I worked at AT&T tried to beat me in a typing race.. it was a bloodbath :lol

That's just insane.

[Cry Havoc]

60 WPM is ridiculous. I'm probably at 75 on my pc.

Heh. I bet I'm hitting at least that on my Evo. Of course on a real keyboard I'm up in the ~120 range.... perks of being a nerd. :ihit

[Sisk]

60 WPM is ridiculous. I'm probably at 75 on my pc.

Haha yeah I haven't tested in a while but I'm at over 100 WPM


Of course on a real keyboard I'm up in the ~120 range.... perks of being a nerd. :ihit

:toast

[Cry Havoc]

Seriously though guys, I've used both keyboards, the 3G, 3GS, and Evo. It's not a contest. The Evo decimates all. The predictive text in the Evo is slightly superior too. If it picks the wrong word and you backspace, it goes back to the original letters you typed, instead of leaving the word like it is with the iPhone's software. Pretty amazing.

[Sisk]

Well, Cry Havoc, I haven't used an Evo so I can't confirm or deny that.

On another note, Engadget:

11:05AM He's asking people to set their laptops on the floor.

11:05AM Guess what -- we're not doing that.

[fraga]

All hail...evo!!!

[Cry Havoc]

Well, Cry Havoc, I haven't used an Evo so I can't confirm or deny that.

That's what I'm saying, I HAVE used them both. If you have really small hands I could definitely see someone preferring the iPhone, but I have pretty small hands for a guy and I think the Evo is a perfect fit. Even a bit larger (say 4.6") wouldn't be too large, IMO.

[Sisk]

That's what I'm saying, I HAVE used them both. If you have really small hands I could definitely see someone preferring the iPhone, but I have pretty small hands for a guy and I think the Evo is a perfect fit. Even a bit larger (say 4.6") wouldn't be too large, IMO.

Educate me: Does the HTC Hero for instance, not use the same software for typing as the Evo does, as they're both Androids?

[Cry Havoc]

Educate me: Does the HTC Hero for instance, not use the same software for typing as the Evo does, as they're both Androids?

Perhaps, but only if the Hero you used was running Android 2.1.

[Cry Havoc]

So far, I'm pretty impressed by the iPhone 4, particularly the camera and the gyroscope. Everything else was relatively expected.

[Sisk]

Assuming he touched on the larger points - it's been as expected for the most part, but still pretty impressive. However, he said there are over 100 changes to this new phone. Eight of which he touched on in detail.

[lefty]

Launch date is June 24

[Sisk]

Video call. Yes!

[DesignatedT]

so whens the release date on this bad boy????

[lefty]

so whens the release date on this bad boy????
2 posts higher

[Sisk]

Launch date is June 24


so whens the release date on this bad boy????

:rolleyes

[Cry Havoc]

Video call. Yes!

ONLY over Wifi, and ONLY to other iPhones.

Huge advantage to the Evo for now, which supports video calling over 3G, 4G, and Wifi.

[Sisk]

11:41AM "AT&T is going to make an incredibly generous upgrade offer. If your contract expires at any time in 2010, you can upgrade to the iPhone 4. You can get it up to six months early."

I'm shocked they're doing this.. AT&T when I was working there was a real pain in the ass about this, even if it was a day early for an iPhone upgrade. Good stuff, AT&T.

[DesignatedT]

:rolleyes

go sell sunglasses.

[Cry Havoc]

I really think the iPhone 4 looks great, but I seriously don't think it will be considered top of the line in a year.

Great screen, and great camera, but it's a 3G phone. In a year, 4G will be going up in quite a few cities. Regardless of how fast the iPhone processor is, it won't be able to pull network data like a 4G phone, and therefore is going to be left behind as far as super high-speed internet connectivity goes, to say nothing of AT&T's ludicrous bandwidth caps.


AT&T when I was working there was a real pain in the ass about this, even if it was a day early for an iPhone upgrade. Good stuff, AT&T.

Considering how much money they stand to make from people going over their bandwidth caps, it's hard to see why they wouldn't do this. 200 megs to an iPhone is absolutely nothing. It's 3 CDs worth of data, just over 2 CDs at a high bitrate.

[Sisk]

go sell sunglasses.

:hat

[AnthonyM]

I really think the iPhone 4 looks great, but I seriously don't think it will be considered top of the line in a year.

Great screen, and great camera, but it's a 3G phone. In a year, 4G will be going up in quite a few cities. Regardless of how fast the iPhone processor is, it won't be able to pull network data like a 4G phone, and therefore is going to be left behind as far as super high-speed internet connectivity goes, to say nothing of AT&T's ludicrous bandwidth caps.

No phone will be able to stay top of the line for a year anymore.

[Sisk]

I really think the iPhone 4 looks great, but I seriously don't think it will be considered top of the line in a year.

Great screen, and great camera, but it's a 3G phone. In a year, 4G will be going up in quite a few cities. Regardless of how fast the iPhone processor is, it won't be able to pull network data like a 4G phone, and therefore is going to be left behind as far as super high-speed internet connectivity goes, to say nothing of AT&T's ludicrous bandwidth caps.

The $25 affects 2% of users. I use my phone constantly and used about 700MB of data last month

[Cry Havoc]

The $25 affects 2% of users. I use my phone constantly and used about 700MB of data last month

What about less tech-savvy people who don't understand the implications of 200mb vs 2 GB? They just want an iPhone and the ability to surf... and then they get hammered by overages?

And sure, 2% sounds like a comfy figure, but with more HQ and HD video coming out, and this thing has NETFLIX for crying out loud, that number is going to skyrocket as the shift to higher bitrate data takes over.

[Sisk]

What about less tech-savvy people who don't understand the implications of 200mb vs 2 GB? They just want an iPhone and the ability to surf... and then they get hammered by overages?

And sure, 2% sounds like a comfy figure, but with more HQ and HD video coming out, and this thing has NETFLIX for crying out loud, that number is going to skyrocket as the shift to higher bitrate data takes over.

First part is the responsibility of AT&T and Apple to properly educate their customers.

Netflix will almost surely require WiFi. As well as any other HD streaming

[Cry Havoc]

No phone will be able to stay top of the line for a year anymore.

As opposed to being completely left in the dust, like today's 3G phones will be once 4G starts to crank.

[Cry Havoc]

First part is the responsibility of AT&T and Apple to properly educate their customers.

And as you've mentioned, AT&T has such a stellar reputation for looking out for their customer's best interests.


Netflix will almost surely require WiFi. As well as any other HD streaming

Regardless, this is the era of videos on cell phones. Why have a screen like that if you're just going to download 320x240 videos on youtube? It makes no sense. Wifi basically tethers you to a router that you need the password for, or you have to pay network fees wherever you go to get the signal. I'll take 4G and just stream HD video via the cell phone towers, thanks. :tu

[lefty]

I really think the iPhone 4 looks great, but I seriously don't think it will be considered top of the line in a year.

Great screen, and great camera, but it's a 3G phone. In a year, 4G will be going up in quite a few cities. Regardless of how fast the iPhone processor is, it won't be able to pull network data like a 4G phone, and therefore is going to be left behind as far as super high-speed internet connectivity goes, to say nothing of AT&T's ludicrous bandwidth caps.



Considering how much money they stand to make from people going over their bandwidth caps, it's hard to see why they wouldn't do this. 200 megs to an iPhone is absolutely nothing. It's 3 CDs worth of data, just over 2 CDs at a high bitrate.

Isnt the new Iphone supposed to be 4G ?

[Sisk]

And as you've mentioned, AT&T has such a stellar reputation for looking out for their customer's best interests.

Was waiting for this response, but my point still stands, and it's still their responsibility.



Regardless, this is the era of videos on cell phones. Why have a screen like that if you're just going to download 320x240 videos on youtube? It makes no sense. Wifi basically tethers you to a router that you need the password for, or you have to pay network fees wherever you go to get the signal. I'll take 4G and just stream HD video via the cell phone towers, thanks. :tu

Enjoy.

[AnthonyM]

As opposed to being completely left in the dust, like today's 3G phones will be once 4G starts to crank.

You're comparing one phone to a whole market of phones.

Of course 3G phones will be left behind once 4G really gets going, but that includes tons of phones that run on the 3G network. The iPhone is only one phone, and to say it won't be on top in one year and using evolution of 4G as your example doesn't make make much sense since no phone will be able to stay on top for a year anymore because of Android and the way all other phones have caught up.

[Sisk]

Isnt the new Iphone supposed to be 4G ?

No

[lefty]

ONLY over Wifi, and ONLY to other iPhones.

Huge advantage to the Evo for now, which supports video calling over 3G, 4G, and Wifi.
FaceTime is what Apple calls video calls over the iPhone 4. If you don’t want the person you’re calling to see your mug, or perhaps you just want them to see what you’re looking at, you can switch from the front-facing camera to the 5MP camera on the back. For now it’s Wi-Fi only, but past 2010 it should branch out into 3G/4G

[lefty]

No
Then fuck Apple :lol

Next year they will release another Iphone, this time 4G

[Sisk]

Then fuck Apple :lol

Well, it's on AT&T as well for not having the network.



Next year they will release another Iphone, this time 4G

Correct

[Cry Havoc]

Isnt the new Iphone supposed to be 4G ?

Nope.


You're comparing one phone to a whole market of phones.

There are several 4G phones slated for release this year. The Evo is just the first. The Samsung Galaxy looks excellent and might even be superior to the Evo. Considering that many have held the iPhone as the "gold-standard" of cell phones, and will inevitably be comparing it to the other top-end phones on the market, the 4G vs. 3G bears mentioning in a discussion.


Of course 3G phones will be left behind once 4G really gets going, but that includes tons of phones that run on the 3G network. The iPhone is only one phone, and to say it won't be on top in one year and using evolution of 4G as your example doesn't make make much sense since no phone will be able to stay on top for a year anymore because of Android and the way all other phones have caught up.

Again, I'm referring to the fact that the iPhone has been the best phone in the US since it was released in 2007. The fact that this new one is 3G only and bandwidth limited by AT&T means, IMO, that this is no longer the case, and that it's slipped to 2nd or 3rd best, behind the Evo and maybe the Incredible. Although the iPhone could very well prove better than either.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

The iPhone is only one phone, and to say it won't be on top in one year and using evolution of 4G as your example doesn't make make much sense since no phone will be able to stay on top for a year anymore because of Android and the way all other phones have caught up.


that

[lefty]

Well, it's on AT&T as well for not having the network.



Correct
Let's say I get the Iphone 4 on a contract basis, how much it will cost me if I want to upgrade to the 4G model?

[Sisk]

Let's say I get the Iphone 4 on a contract basis, how much it will cost me if I want to upgrade to the 4G model?

I'm so confused by this question..

$199 for 16GB
$299 for 32GB




If you're asking for 4G network coverage, it doesn't exist.

[AnthonyM]

There are several 4G phones slated for release this year. The Evo is just the first. The Samsung Galaxy looks excellent and might even be superior to the Evo. Considering that many have held the iPhone as the "gold-standard" of cell phones, and will inevitably be comparing it to the other top-end phones on the market, the 4G vs. 3G bears mentioning in a discussion.



Again, I'm referring to the fact that the iPhone has been the best phone in the US since it was released in 2007. The fact that this new one is 3G only and bandwidth limited by AT&T means, IMO, that this is no longer the case, and that it's slipped to 2nd or 3rd best, behind the Evo and the Incredible.

I do agree with you that at one point the iPhone was the gold standard of phones, but that time has since passed (the time where one phone could be held as the standard for so long) but it has for ANY phone that is out there.

So, saying the iPhone won't be on top for a year to knock it down isn't a fair argument because the same can be said of any phone that is out there. Take the Incredible, which was on top for all of 2 or 3 months until the Evo came out. It's just not plausible for any phone to be on top as long as the iPhone was because they were the innovators of everything back in '07.

I agree with you about it being behind because it's not on 4G (even though 4G is relatively young) but not because it can't stay on top for a year. Most phones nowadays will be outdated by 3 or 4 months.

[Cry Havoc]

how much it will cost me if I want to upgrade to the 4G model?

$199 and a 2 year agreement with Sprint for the Evo is the only way to get 4G in a phone right now.

[Cry Havoc]

I do agree with you that at one point the iPhone was the gold standard of phones, but that time has since passed (the time where one phone could be held as the standard for so long) but it has for ANY phone that is out there.

So, saying the iPhone won't be on top for a year to knock it down isn't a fair argument because the same can be said of any phone that is out there. Take the Incredible, which was on top for all of 2 or 3 months until the Evo came out. It's just not plausible for any phone to be on top as long as the iPhone was because they were the innovators of everything back in '07.

I agree with you about it being behind because it's not on 4G (even though 4G is relatively young) but not because it can't stay on top for a year. Most phones nowadays will be outdated by 3 or 4 months.

Well, the difference here is that (IMO of course) the iPhone 4 will be released and WON'T be the best phone available even at launch. In the past the iPhone has decimated everything with each launch of the new phone. Now it won't even be in 1st place as far as capabilities go. Still a phenomenal phone though, like I said, I recommended my girlfriend get one.

I'd say it goes:

Evo 4G
Iphone 4 = Incredible (Until we see all the new things the iPhone can do)
Then maybe the Nexus One

[lefty]

I'm so confused by this question..

$199 for 16GB
$299 for 32GB




If you're asking for 4G network coverage, it doesn't exist.
Sorry :D

I know that when the 3GS was released, those had a 3G on a contract (but still had a long way to go before the contract expires) could replace the 3G with the 3GS, paying fees.

Or am I wrong? :(

[Sisk]

Sorry :D

I know that when the 3GS was released, those had a 3G on a contract (but still had a long way to go before the contract expires) could replace the 3G with the 3GS, paying fees.

Or am I wrong? :(

You're right - iPhone users have always been able to upgrade early as long as they're upgrading to the new iPhone. It's still blurry right now as to if that will be possible this year. I'm asking a source at AT&T what they plans are on this as we speak, I'll let you know.

[PM5K]

I always find it funny that people try to say this phone is better than that phone when all of these phones are walking in the steps of the iPhone.

Having said that, specs aren't everything, and the iPhone 4 has similar specs in a lot of ways to these other phones, some features that are better, and some that aren't. I think the biggest downer for the iPhone is AT&T right now.

[lefty]

You're right - iPhone users have always been able to upgrade early as long as they're upgrading to the new iPhone. It's still blurry right now as to if that will be possible this year. I'm asking a source at AT&T what they plans are on this as we speak, I'll let you know.
Thanks, much appreciated :tu

[Sisk]

Some videos available on engadget:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/apples-iphone-4-promo-videos-and-sam-mendes-video-calling-ad/

[Sisk]

Thanks, much appreciated :tu

Yes sir :toast

[PM5K]

You're right - iPhone users have always been able to upgrade early as long as they're upgrading to the new iPhone. It's still blurry right now as to if that will be possible this year. I'm asking a source at AT&T what they plans are on this as we speak, I'll let you know.

You can upgrade if your eligibility date was before the end of this year, in some cases up to six months early.

[Sisk]

You can upgrade if your eligibility date was before the end of this year, in some cases up to six months early.

It is sounding like that, but in most cases that would screw people that upgraded immediately to the 3GS from the 3G which would change how Apple and AT&T have done it in the past. I'm checking with someone at AT&T how this will work

[Cry Havoc]

I always find it funny that people try to say this phone is better than that phone when all of these phones are walking in the steps of the iPhone.

Well, for years Nintendo owned the console market. Sony and Sega (and then Microsoft) were treading in their footsteps, and in many ways still are.

But what would you say about who's on top in the gaming world now? Sales will still point to Nintendo, but that's hardly reflective of who's making the best games with the best consoles.

[PM5K]

Well, for years Nintendo owned the console market. Sony and Sega (and then Microsoft) were treading in their footsteps, and in many ways still are.

But what would you say about who's on top in the gaming world now? Sales will still point to Nintendo, but that's hardly reflective of who's making the best games with the best consoles.

I'd still say Nintendo, it's all about making money. I wouldn't agree though that they treaded in their footsteps, they made totally different products as far as execution. That's what I'm saying about the iPhone. Before it came out how many phones had accelerometers, proximity sensors, full face touch screens, app stores, etc?

[Sisk]

Well, for years Nintendo owned the console market. Sony and Sega (and then Microsoft) were treading in their footsteps, and in many ways still are.

But what would you say about who's on top in the gaming world now? Sales will still point to Nintendo, but that's hardly reflective of who's making the best games with the best consoles.

"best" games and "best" consoles are simply opinions

money talks, and the Wii made money from day one

[Viva Las Espuelas]

This thread is insane.

[Sisk]

This thread is insane.

:lol

From iPhone to Evo to Wii

[Cry Havoc]

"best" games and "best" consoles are simply opinions

money talks, and the Wii made money from day one

My point is that to most real gamers, the product made by Nintendo isn't the gaming console to own anymore.

I have no doubt that the iPhone will outsell the Evo, but do you really want to make the argument that the phone that sells the most is the best? The public is full of uneducated idiots who will buy anything that's marketed right toward them. Total sales rarely reflect quality.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Insane reasoning. :downspin:

[Sisk]

My point is that to most real gamers, the product made by Nintendo isn't the gaming console to own anymore.

Different target markets, not to mention PS3/360 are both trying to mimic/copy Nintendo as we speak in regards to motion game play.

I prefer the PS3, but I'm just saying.



I have no doubt that the iPhone will outsell the Evo, but do you really want to make the argument that the phone that sells the most is the best? The public is full of uneducated idiots who will buy anything that's marketed right toward them. Total sales rarely reflect quality.

Of course, consumers are usually sheep and it's not a good way to tell, but it's the only number we can really put on as far as "best" since that word is purely opinion.

You can have your Evo, I'll take the iPhone 4. It's upsetting we can't "Face Time" each other though, isn't it Cry Havoc?

[bigzak25]

imagine no possessions...it's easy if you try.

http://images.wildmadagascar.org/pictures/ankavandra/akavandra_kids_07.JPG

[MannyIsGod]

Well, I got about a year before I can upgrade again and I doubt they'll have 4g here even before then so I guess I'm not missing much.

[Amarelooms]

Iphone 4 on June 24th for a nigga

:elephant

[Bukefal]

Iphones are pretty awesome, but I just cant get used to typing on touchscreens, I find it very annoying, I just want a qwerty keyboard with buttons.

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

You're right - iPhone users have always been able to upgrade early as long as they're upgrading to the new iPhone. It's still blurry right now as to if that will be possible this year. I'm asking a source at AT&T what they plans are on this as we speak, I'll let you know.

From what I've heard AT&T has already moved peoples dates up on alot of people that have Iphones so they can upgrade to the new Iphone.

Suggest everyone check for themselves *679# send

[Cry Havoc]

From what I've heard AT&T has already moved peoples dates up on alot of people that have Iphones so they can upgrade to the new Iphone.

Suggest everyone check for themselves *679# send

If you have an upgrade available this year at any time, you can get a subsidized iPhone 4 with a renewed contract.

I can't wait to see this phone reviewed to see how magazines stack it up against the Evo, though a lot of them are based on hype. Undoubtedly some of them will be unbiased though. The ones who say it's clearly a win for either phone are probably going to be bunk.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Specs go to iPhone 4. Hands down. Besides 4G which will come in time like all phones that have caught up to the iPhone. Ahem. But then you could argue that it's not apple's responsibility to establish a 4G infrastructure.

[Cry Havoc]

Specs go to iPhone 4. Hands down. Besides 4G which will come in time like all phones that have caught up to the iPhone. Ahem. But then you could argue that it's not apple's responsibility to establish a 4G infrastructure.

:lmao

Besides, you know,

4G (which is enough to win the fight by itself if you're in a 4G area, which many will be by the end of 2010)
4.3" display (vs. 3.5", which is a huge difference, sorry to tell you)
Tethering support for up to 8 devices simultaneously
Camera megapixel density
Expandable memory
FM Radio
Kickstand
Dual LED flash
The ability to have video chats over 3G/4G/Wifi (vs. Wifi ONLY and ONLY to other iPhones).
And the integrated HDMI out

The iPhone has
a better processor
higher pixel density,
is slightly thinner and lighter
and a better app store (although that's changing rapidly).

Yeah, it's hands down for the iPhone. :lol

[leemajors]

Kickstand AND an FM radio?!?!

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/06/500x_iphone_4_vs_android_tech_specs.jpg

[Cry Havoc]

Kickstand AND an FM radio?!?!

I'm using my kickstand right now. It's nice to have. Especially when I want to videoconference with someone. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't exactly want my Facetime to look like it was filmed during The Blair Witch Project. :lol

If they're not big deals at all, why isn't Apple including them in the iPhone? It's 2010, and there's yet to be an Apple phone that can receive an FM signal? Kind of hilarious. :lol

[leemajors]

I'm using my kickstand right now. It's nice to have. Especially when I want to videoconference with someone. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't exactly want my Facetime to look like it was filmed during The Blair Witch Project. :lol

If they're not big deals at all, why isn't Apple including them in the iPhone? It's 2010, and there's yet to be an Apple phone that can receive an FM signal? Kind of hilarious. :lol

I honestly listen to FM radio once a week, if even that, for the 2 hour reggae show on local co-op radio on Sundays at noon. I listen to AM sports talk radio or my iPod, and that's it. I would actually rather have an AM radio feature than an FM one.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

The iPhone doesn't have a kickstand? :cry

[Viva Las Espuelas]

:lmao

And who listens to fm radio these days?




Oh

[Cry Havoc]

I honestly listen to FM radio once a week, if even that, for the 2 hour reggae show on local co-op radio on Sundays at noon. I listen to AM sports talk radio or my iPod, and that's it. I would actually rather have an AM radio feature than an FM one.

I'm just saying, if we're listing the features, then it's one that the Evo has and the iPhone doesn't. Many people probably won't care. Some will. I'm listening to the radio at work right now through my Evo now, actually.

[Cry Havoc]

The iPhone doesn't have a kickstand? :cry

If Apple didn't include it, I don't want it! I enjoy being told what to want so I know what to buy! Sheeple consumerism FTW!

Interesting that you're critical, considering that many reviews have highlighted the kickstand as a handy feature to have in a phone. But of course, it's not endorsed or used by Apple, so it's something you're going to shun and look down at. So typical. :lol

[Sisk]

FM on a phone seems completely ridiculous to me. Is there a cassette player attachment too? Maybe a Portable CD player?

[Cry Havoc]

FM on a phone seems completely ridiculous to me. Is there a cassette player attachment too? Maybe a Portable CD player?

A 3.5mm headphone jack has been around for decades too... why not mock that? Apple has included FM Tuners in their other devices... so it's obviously something they consider worth having, but when it's not on their phone, it's something to be scoffed at?

[Sisk]

A 3.5mm headphone jack has been around for decades too... why not mock that? Apple has included FM Tuners in their other devices... so it's cool then, but when it's not on their phone, it's something to be scoffed at?

I never said it was cool. Ever. FM radio sucks.

3.5mm jack? Uhh.. that's like saying TVs have speakers so don't mock them. Random argument. Anyways..

But I guess with none of that on board memory on that there Evo, you might not have any music to listen to.

[Cry Havoc]

I never said it was cool. Ever. FM radio sucks.

I like it. Some stations are still good. Opinions are fun, eh? Apple obviously agrees, as they've included it in many of their products.


3.5mm jack? Uhh.. that's like saying TVs have speakers so don't mock them. Random argument. Anyways..

Your argument was that FM radio is old, so by that reasoning it has no place in today's tech. And yet many standards for entertainment haven't changed since the 60s.


But I guess with none of that on board memory on that there Evo, you might not have any music to listen to.

Yeah, that 8 GB swappable SD card that's included with the EVO sure doesn't store any music. :lol I guess it sucks that I can buy (but am not limited to) 72 GB of memory for the same price you'd pay for 32 GB in the iPhone. :lol

[Viva Las Espuelas]

If Apple didn't include it, I don't want it! I enjoy being told what to want so I know what to buy! Sheeple consumerism FTW!

Interesting that you're critical, considering that many reviews have highlighted the kickstand as a handy feature to have in a phone. But of course, it's not endorsed or used by Apple, so it's something you're going to shun and look down at. So typical. :lol

ha. That's rich. You're a walking contradiction, fanboy.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

This thread is getting insane again.

[Sisk]

I like it. Some stations are still good. Opinions are fun, eh? Apple obviously agrees, as they've included it in many of their products.

Opinions are fun? You've spewed opinions as justification this whole thread. I hope this is a joke.

I don't care if Apple Agrees.




Your argument was that FM radio is old, so by that reasoning it has no place in today's tech. And yet many standards for entertainment haven't changed since the 60s.

It's not that it's old, it just sucks. I have my own music I enjoy at my finger tips and without commercials.




Yeah, that 8 GB swappable SD card that's included with the EVO sure doesn't store any music. :lol I guess it sucks that I can buy (but am not limited to) 72 GB of memory for the same price you'd pay for 32 GB in the iPhone. :lol

Well sure you can buy that much, but it can't be on your phone at all times. So, by that logic I'll just have all of my data on my computer and swap it as I please which is exactly what you'll have to do with an SD card - switch them out as you please.

[Sisk]

This thread is getting insane again.

:danceclub

[Viva Las Espuelas]

http://dailymarauder.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/susan-powter.jpg

[Sisk]

From what I've heard AT&T has already moved peoples dates up on alot of people that have Iphones so they can upgrade to the new Iphone.

Suggest everyone check for themselves *679# send

Yeah I thought about that but wanted to hear it for myself from an employee.

But it's *639#

[Fpoonsie]

FWIW, I loved being able to make the trek from class to my car, listening to the Ticket in Dallas on my Evo.

[shrug]

[Sisk]

FWIW, I loved being able to make the trek from class to my car, listening to the Ticket in Dallas on my Evo.

[shrug]

It's not worth anything, Fpoonsie..
:downspin:

[Fpoonsie]

It's not worth anything, Fpoonsie..
:downspin:

Yeah, I figured.

[Cry Havoc]

ha. That's rich. You're a walking contradiction, fanboy.

I use the kickstand. I have used it a lot already. How is that being a sheeple? It's really nice to have in a phone with a display as large as the Evo.

And :lol at the "fanboy". Right. I guess that makes me a fanboy of Apple too, since my girlfriend said my phone was a little too large for her and I told her that the iPhone would be an excellent choice. I have stated in numerous places facts about the iPhone and advantages it has, as well as ways the keynote address was impressive. If I didn't have an Evo, I'd (probably) be buying the new iPhone.


Opinions are fun? You've spewed opinions as justification this whole thread. I hope this is a joke.

I've stated facts, and the opinions I have I've attempted to show why I feel that way. As opposed to, "Lol FM Radio" that seems to be the standard of debating on Spurstalk.


I don't care if Apple Agrees.

You're criticizing the Evo for a feature that Apple has included in many of their devices. So the fact that it's absent from the iPhone means it's the lack of a feature that might be important to some people.


It's not that it's old, it just sucks. I have my own music I enjoy at my finger tips and without commercials.

So do I. But I also like NPR, I like sports radio. I like occasionally listening to bands and music that I haven't purchased yet, which Pandora is also good for.


Well sure you can buy that much, but it can't be on your phone at all times. So, by that logic I'll just have all of my data on my computer and swap it as I please which is exactly what you'll have to do with an SD card - switch them out as you please.

Your logic is flawed. I can store as much on a single card as the top iPhone can hold. An extra card (32GB) of storage takes up maybe about the same space as half of a postage stamp and has my music on it already. So unless you have a media computer that you carry around with you in your back pocket, it's a distinct advantage to the swappable media here. You know, that's why they call it swappable, because you don't need an additional computer with a proprietary power source to access it.

[Cry Havoc]

Specs go to iPhone 4. Hands down.

Yep, I'm the fanboy. :lmao

If I AM a fanboy, at least I substantiate what I say with facts or some sort of competent argument.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

If the iPhone only had a kickstand. :depressed

[Cry Havoc]

If the iPhone only had a kickstand. :depressed

Well, it's not included on the iPhone so clearly it's worthless.

I just HATE having the ability to use a kickstand... or to leave it in place if I never need it. Let me tell you, options are horrible to have as a consumer.

[Cry Havoc]

Oh hey what if I want to watch a Flash video? Not happening on the iPhone. Another product that's worthless because Steve says so.

[Fpoonsie]

Oh hey what if I want to watch a Flash video? Not happening on the iPhone. Another product that's worthless because Steve says so.

I actually got pretty excited when I jumped onto ESPN.com and could actually WATCH the vids as opposed to the "Get Adobe Flash" logo I was used to w/ my iPhone.

Very cool.

[Cry Havoc]

I actually got pretty excited when I jumped onto ESPN.com and could actually WATCH the vids as opposed to the "Get Adobe Flash" logo I was used to w/ my iPhone.

Very cool.

Yeah, I thought it was a little trippy to watch recent Celtics-Lakers highlights on my phone from the native site.

If you're having problems loading any flash videos, download Skyfire. It's worked for 100% of the flash videos I've tried to watch so far. :tu

[Fpoonsie]

Yeah, I thought it was a little trippy to watch recent Celtics-Lakers highlights on my phone from the native site.

If you're having problems loading any flash videos, download Skyfire. It's worked for 100% of the flash videos I've tried to watch so far. :tu

Thanks. Will do.

[PM5K]

:lmao

Besides, you know,

4G (which is enough to win the fight by itself if you're in a 4G area, which many will be by the end of 2010)
4.3" display (vs. 3.5", which is a huge difference, sorry to tell you)
Tethering support for up to 8 devices simultaneously
Camera megapixel density
Expandable memory
FM Radio
Kickstand
Dual LED flash
The ability to have video chats over 3G/4G/Wifi (vs. Wifi ONLY and ONLY to other iPhones).
And the integrated HDMI out

Yeah, it's hands down for the iPhone. :lol

I don't want to argue with you, because I think your position is that both phones are very good phones and opinions are going to vary and there probably will be no clear "winner" between these two phones, but I do want to touch on some of the points you've made.

As fas as 4G, from what I've read in some instances Clearwire's 4G network isn't even as fast as Sprint's 3G network, and while Sprint has always been known for having better 3G coverage, AT&T has always been faster.


These are not impressive speeds in comparison with those achievable on AT&T’s HSPA 7.2 3G network and T-Mobile’s rapidly spreading HSPA+ 3G network.


In the end I formed some clear impressions about the EVO 4G and the Clearwire 4G network. I love the phone, but I’m disappointed in its network connection.

Will it be faster in the future, probably, but so will AT&T's network.

I think to say that a 4.3 inch display is better than a 3.5 inch display is certainly a matter of opinion. I owned a RAZR before I owned an iPhone, I'm not sure I'd like a phone that big, in fact I was happy to find that the iPhone 4 is the thinnest smartphone on the planet.

Having said that, there's always the quality over quantity argument, even though the screen is smaller, all I keep hearing about is how great it looks, and I don't hear anyone complaining that Apple didn't cram a 4.3 inch screen into the iPhone 4. The iPhone 4 also has a much higher resolution even though the screen is smaller. I don't know the technical side of the Retina display but all I hear are good things.


The screen is truly outrageous -- you basically cannot see pixels on it. We're not being hyperbolic when we say it's easily the best looking mobile phone screen we've ever laid eyes on.


There's a marked difference in the screens, even side-by-side with the EVO 4G

Tethering is cool, but part of what makes the iPhone so cool is that you can get a certain percent of the apps you need through the legitimate app store, and whatever else you need can be acquired through the illegitimate app stores (Cydia, etc). Between the two there isn't much you can't do with the iPhone (MyWi works great, I used it this weekend when the heavy storms knocked out my internet connection). Of course not everybody will jailbreak their iPhones, but it's always an option.

I don't know the tech specs of the EVO 4g's camera, other than the fact that it's 3MP's higher than the iPhone 4's camera, but again quality over quantity. The iPhone 4's camera uses a backlit sensor, the same type of technology that Sony uses with their Exmor R' back-illuminated sensors, which basically makes for incredible low light detail, which is one of the biggest complaints about the cameras on smartphones.

Expandable memory is certainly one of those things that will be a user preference, personally I'd rather get a 32GB iPhone and be done with it, although it would be nice if they offered a 64GB model (I just figured they would since the 3GS topped out at 32GB). What would I do if I got an EVO 4G? I don't think the 8GB would be enough, so I'd have to get another card, 32GB microSD cards are incredibly expensive, so I'd probably get two 16GB cards, which would add about 100.00 to the price before rebate of the EVO 4G of 299.99, which makes it 399.99, 100.00 more than the iPhone 4 32GB, in the end the price would be the same. So in the end it's a matter of preference, you wind up with an infinite amount of storage (As many microSD cards as you want) but wind up with your storage broken up in pieces (unless you hand over a couple bills for a 32GB card). Personally I'd rather just have 32GB built in and included in the purchase price, but I can respect those that would rather fiddle around with a few microSD cards.

FM radio is not a bad thing, personally I listen to Sirius and don't even have an FM antenna on my vehicle, but I won't complain at the prospect of having an additional feature. The thing that puzzles me is that the iPhone already has an FM chipset but for whatever reason Apple has never used it (Other than for Nike+ functionality).

A kickstand is no big deal, if you have to go out and buy memory for your EVO I can go buy a kickstand or a case with an integrated kickstand. (But I wouldn't because I have no desire for one)

Dual LED flash is nice, but it uses more battery and the EVO isn't doing so well in that department already. If the technology is half as good as EXMOR R Apple won't need an extra LED flash.

The video chat thing is really an AT&T issue, the phone is capable of doing it, and that's why I'd previously said the biggest problem for the iPhone is AT&T.

HDMI out is cool, but I could live without it. I'd rather utilize some type of streaming to get my movies and videos to my TV. (I don't need another wire to add to my list, and my HDMI ports are already pretty full)

Most of the cool features of the iPhone 4 were mentioned in response to the features of the EVO, but it also does 720P HD @ 30 FPS, but the coolest part is iMovie, which is very intuitive software anyone can use to make movies. (Because the EVO does 720P HD as well but at 24 FPS)

And, the gyroscope, which is going to be cool, especially in conjunction with all of the other sensors the iPhone has.

Also for some strange reason the EVO doesn't have 802.11N.

The iOS is also pretty cool, I've always liked how intuitive they make their hardware and software.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

:toast

[Cry Havoc]

I don't want to argue with you, because I think your position is that both phones are very good phones and opinions are going to vary and there probably will be no clear "winner" between these two phones, but I do want to touch on some of the points you've made.

:tu It's amazing how attempting objectivity in this forum ends up with me being called a fanboy. Meh. I didn't expect much else.


As fas as 4G, from what I've read in some instances Clearwire's 4G network isn't even as fast as Sprint's 3G network, and while Sprint has always been known for having better 3G coverage, AT&T has always been faster.

I've got 4G access as we speak, and let me tell you -- it flies. HD video streams with no problem. I can do HD streaming video while surfing the web and downloading music. It's pretty incredible. Right around 3-5 megs per second so far. :tu


Will it be faster in the future, probably, but so will AT&T's network.

The only problem I have with this statement is that AT&T's network has historically been extremely sketchy. As of 2 months ago, a friend who lives in Manhattan stated that she still couldn't make calls with regularity on her 3GS due to busy signal from the network or just no throughput to the towers at all. She has 4-5 bars and still can't make a call.


I think to say that a 4.3 inch display is better than a 3.5 inch display is certainly a matter of opinion. I owned a RAZR before I owned an iPhone, I'm not sure I'd like a phone that big, in fact I was happy to find that the iPhone 4 is the thinnest smartphone on the planet.

Which is why I added the caveat that people who prefer a more compact phone will LOVE the iPhone. Personally, I used my Evo for about an hour in the store (just kicking around on the included programs, since it was activating) and when I went to the employee's Droid Incredible (3.7"), it felt absolutely cramped.

It's worth noting that the dude that set my phone up was pretty critical of the Evo to start with, and after setting me up and using it for about 5-10 minutes, he said, "Damn... I gotta admit I'm a little jealous."


Having said that, there's always the quality over quantity argument, even though the screen is smaller, all I keep hearing about is how great it looks, and I don't hear anyone complaining that Apple didn't cram a 4.3 inch screen into the iPhone 4. The iPhone 4 also has a much higher resolution even though the screen is smaller. I don't know the technical side of the Retina display but all I hear are good things.

I have no doubt that the iPhone's display will be nothing short of brilliant. I still prefer the size, but that's me.


Tethering is cool, but part of what makes the iPhone so cool is that you can get a certain percent of the apps you need through the legitimate app store, and whatever else you need can be acquired through the illegitimate app stores (Cydia, etc). Between the two there isn't much you can't do with the iPhone (MyWi works great, I used it this weekend when the heavy storms knocked out my internet connection). Of course not everybody will jailbreak their iPhones, but it's always an option.

I don't know the tech specs of the EVO 4g's camera, other than the fact that it's 3MP's higher than the iPhone 4's camera, but again quality over quantity. The iPhone 4's camera uses a backlit sensor, the same type of technology that Sony uses with their Exmor R' back-illuminated sensors, which basically makes for incredible low light detail, which is one of the biggest complaints about the cameras on smartphones.

:tu


Expandable memory is certainly one of those things that will be a user preference, personally I'd rather get a 32GB iPhone and be done with it, although it would be nice if they offered a 64GB model (I just figured they would since the 3GS topped out at 32GB). What would I do if I got an EVO 4G? I don't think the 8GB would be enough, so I'd have to get another card, 32GB microSD cards are incredibly expensive, so I'd probably get two 16GB cards, which would add about 100.00 to the price before rebate of the EVO 4G of 299.99, which makes it 399.99, 100.00 more than the iPhone 4 32GB, in the end the price would be the same. So in the end it's a matter of preference, you wind up with an infinite amount of storage (As many microSD cards as you want) but wind up with your storage broken up in pieces (unless you hand over a couple bills for a 32GB card). Personally I'd rather just have 32GB built in and included in the purchase price, but I can respect those that would rather fiddle around with a few microSD cards.

All I know is that $300 at the register, plus tax, plus a case and anything else you need means you're probably looking at $400+ dollars the day you bring your 32GB iPhone home, which is a pretty bad bite out of most people's paychecks. Undoubtedly some people (myself included when I got the 8GB 3G) will want more but won't be able to afford it when they go to buy the iPhone, and therefore they'll be locked in to a 16 GB phone for the next 18 months-2 years. I paid $183 (I had a $50 Best Buy card from the reservation) for my Evo after taxes and everything else, and walked out of the store.


for whatever reason Apple has never used it (Other than for Nike+ functionality).

Baffling. But listen to iPhone users talk and they'll claim they've never listened to FM radio in their lives. A testament to the awesome power of Apple's advertising.


A kickstand is no big deal, if you have to go out and buy memory for your EVO I can go buy a kickstand or a case with an integrated kickstand./QUOTE]

I believe at some point in this thread I stated that it wasn't a big deal. However, the fact that it's included is nice, instead of being limited to cases that include kickstands and therefore could be actually bulkier because of it.

[QUOTE]Dual LED flash is nice, but it uses more battery and the EVO isn't doing so well in that department already. If the technology is half as good as EXMOR R Apple won't need an extra LED flash.

I don't get the battery critique. I've used my Evo ALL DAY with no problems. I mean, I was on this thing probably 5 solid hours on Saturday, and then it spent another 10+ in standby. I got back with 10% remaining. Charging a phone at night is not a big deal to me.


The video chat thing is really an AT&T issue, the phone is capable of doing it, and that's why I'd previously said the biggest problem for the iPhone is AT&T.

The iPhone on Verizon's network would be frightening.


HDMI out is cool, but I could live without it. I'd rather utilize some type of streaming to get my movies and videos to my TV. (I don't need another wire to add to my list, and my HDMI ports are already pretty full)

It's just another one of those things that's nice to have as a feature, IMO. I can take a video of a sporting event or date out on the town, get home, plug it in to the TV, and watch. Not bad for being included.


Most of the cool features of the iPhone 4 were mentioned in response to the features of the EVO, but it also does 720P HD @ 30 FPS, but the coolest part is iMovie, which is very intuitive software anyone can use to make movies. (Because the EVO does 720P HD as well but at 24 FPS)

Agree. Pretty sweet.


And, the gyroscope, which is going to be cool, especially in conjunction with all of the other sensors the iPhone has.

We'll see how well that incorporates into the iPhone. I mentioned in the keynote post that I thought it was really cool.


Also for some strange reason the EVO doesn't have 802.11N.

It is a bit of a strange omission, although I will say that if you have 4G, you probably won't need Wifi very frequently. Seriously, at least in the Silver Spring/DC area, 4G is blazing.

Great points overall though, PM5K. Refreshing change of pace from most of this thread.

[PM5K]

Yeah both are very nice phones. I'll go with the iPhone 4 because I already have AT&T for at least the next seven months or so, and with the iPhone 4 in particular for the same reasons I bought my first iPod a long time ago, because it's one of the most popular smartphones around there are a ton of accessories, and apps. Even when apps are made for more than one platform, they typically are made for the iPhone first. Also when people get to hacking things like emulators, the Android OS, and apps from Cydia, they put their resources behind the iPhone first because of the install base.

The reason I bought my first iPod was because there was only one MP3 player capable of being used with my integrated steering wheel audio controls on my vehicle, no company was willing to spend the money on R&D and production for any other MP3 player because they weren't as popular and the install base wasn't high enough to justify the expense, so in other words nobody else made that interface, and ever since then I've been using iPods and then the iPhone, and it's a big reason I continue to use them.

[AnthonyM]

Just bought my new phone today. I'm pretty sure it's better than the Evo or the iPhone.

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/8849/candlestickpaytelephone.jpg

[PM5K]

Yeah but if you loose that key you're fucked, and I hope you got change.

[AnthonyM]

Yeah but if you loose that key you're fucked, and I hope you got change.

It comes with an extra set of keys.

No kickstand though. Bastards.

[Sisk]

My computer:

http://img.youtube.com/vi/17DPJHNVx2Q/0.jpg

And, HTML 5.

[Sisk]

Yeah, I figured.

:lol

[Viva Las Espuelas]

My computer:

http://img.youtube.com/vi/17DPJHNVx2Q/0.jpg

And, HTML 5.


Niiiiice. :tu

oh yeah. Html5. That pesky new innovation.

[Sisk]

Niiiiice. :tu

oh yeah. Html5. That pesky new innovation.

Thanks that computer sure is portable

Yeah, who knew there was anything else besides flash?! This technology is quite flabbergasting

[fraga]

My computer:

http://img.youtube.com/vi/17DPJHNVx2Q/0.jpg


Should go quite nice with this phone...

http://r.phonedog.com/shared/images/2009/9/78937-Zoolander.jpg

[Sisk]

Should go quite nice with this phone...

http://r.phonedog.com/shared/images/2009/9/78937-Zoolander.jpg

:lmao:lmao

[Cry Havoc]

Should go quite nice with this phone...

http://r.phonedog.com/shared/images/2009/9/78937-Zoolander.jpg

They're IN the computer!?

[Cry Havoc]

http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/iphone_letdown_8_things_apple_didnt_announce.php

:stirpot:

[lefty]

http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/iphone_letdown_8_things_apple_didnt_announce.php

:stirpot:


Oh yeah ?



Oh Yeah ?


http://www.gifbin.com/bin/295sw0sw9895.gif

[Sisk]

Oh yeah ?



Oh Yeah ?


http://www.gifbin.com/bin/295sw0sw9895.gif

gif no worky..

Apple will have a major update a couple months after this phone is released and it'll have some software addition that is badass. It happens time and time again. Sure, on paper the Evo can be seen as superior in certain ways but hardware isn't necessarily a clear indicator.

At the end of the day I'll take my iPhone.

Also, I love how clear the agenda is on that link you provided. Dude is like "But your camera has HD recording!" Yeah, since everyone carries around a camera with HD recording around with them. :rolleyes

[Cry Havoc]

gif no worky..

Apple will have a major update a couple months after this phone is released and it'll have some software addition that is badass. It happens time and time again. Sure, on paper the Evo can be seen as superior in certain ways but hardware isn't necessarily a clear indicator.

At the end of the day I'll take my iPhone.

Also, I love how clear the agenda is on that link you provided. Dude is like "But your camera has HD recording!" Yeah, since everyone carries around a camera with HD recording around with them. :rolleyes

Meh, I was just trying to get the thread rolling again. I disagree with some of his points. And don't forget that the Evo has Froyo coming soon.

All in all, it's never been a better time to be a person looking for a cell phone in the US. We're finally getting some phones that can compete with what they have in Japan, even if our networks aren't up to their speeds.

[Sisk]

Good and I hope it's completely dominant. That way, Apple has to react for once.

Capitalism FTW

[lefty]

Hands on, hands on, hands on !!!!!!!!!!


http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/iphone-4-first-hands-on/

[lefty]

Oops sorry broken link

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/iphone-4-first-hands-on/

[ShoogarBear]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155780

[Amarelooms]

How should I get my new Iphone 4? Pre-order it or go to the store the day it comes out. I don't even see shit about Iphone 4 on the At&t website

:elephant

[PM5K]

Preorders aren't until the 15th?

[Sisk]

How should I get my new Iphone 4? Pre-order it or go to the store the day it comes out. I don't even see shit about Iphone 4 on the At&t website

:elephant

I don't think they've released details yet, but it's available on the 15th to preorder.


Preorders aren't until the 15th?

Yeah