Crying Fish

[arodz]

Why was Derrick Fisher crying in the post game interview with Doris Burke? Did he think that this game ended the series or he just a drama queen?

:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry

[manufan10]

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/QCM4wuSkiMo/0.jpg

[eyeh8u]

steroid use can effect emotions

[Giuseppe]

He was just checkin' assholes.

[eyeh8u]

He was just checkin' assholes.


what does that mean?, you use that phrase every fourth post you do?

[JamStone]

I'd like to thank God. He's blessed me with working tear ducts and has made all the crying possible. KG is a great competitor and he was right when he said anything is possible. I'd like to thank God for KG and for basketball and for creating actual basketballs. I'd also like to thank God for allowing me to thank God. He's blessed me with a great ability to thank.

[Spurs7794]

I thought it was great. I hate him for beating the Spurs in 04 but I love to see a player show such an honest will to win one for the team.

[resistanze]

I'd like to thank God. He's blessed me with working tear ducts and has made all the crying possible. KG is a great competitor and he was right when he said anything is possible. I'd like to thank God for KG and for basketball and for creating actual basketballs. I'd also like to thank God for allowing me to thank God. He's blessed me with a great ability to thank.

:lol

[hater]

he just a drama queen

[z0sa]

Mr. Lucky Shot just doing the crying he's supposed to.

[Giuseppe]

Just thank Christ Fish didn't guarantee that Pierce wouldn't return to CA..

tee, hee.

[NZ Spurs]

Why was Derrick Fisher crying in the post game interview with Doris Burke? Did he think that this game ended the series or he just a drama queen?

:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry

I take it from this you have never worked really fucking hard to achieve something in your life?

[silverblk mystix]

I would have felt it to be genuine touching moment---

if he wasn't one of the dirtiest bitch players in the NBA

[LakerHater]

SVQdy-jPBV8

[Giuseppe]

He's embracing life in that moment. It's all there before him. Every living thing. He even caught himself nearly lauding the Celtics in his diatribe, you can see it/sense it. We all have those moments in life. When it's all majestically perfect for a fleeting block of time.

Those moments are rare, yes, too few & too far between.

[TheManFromAcme]

I would have felt it to be genuine touching moment---

if he wasn't one of the dirtiest bitch players in the NBA

Don't be douche in trying to change the topic into a non-topic.

[namlook]

If Fish is going to make 5 of 7 shots in the 4th quarter I say cry away. I hope he cries again after game 4.

[Spursfan092120]

You know what? As much as I hate Fish for .4, dude is something else. He did something great for his family, and at an age where most thought he would mean nothing for his team, without him, Boston wins that game. Good for him...and the crying? Whatever...maybe he's feeling like this will be his last season or something, and that made that quarter that much more special.

[TheManFromAcme]

You know what? As much as I hate Fish for .4, dude is something else. He did something great for his family, and at an age where most thought he would mean nothing for his team, without him, Boston wins that game. Good for him...and the crying? Whatever...maybe he's feeling like this will be his last season or something, and that made that quarter that much more special.

:tu

[LnGrrrR]

He's embracing life in that moment. It's all there before him. Every living thing. He even caught himself nearly lauding the Celtics in his diatribe, you can see it/sense it. We all have those moments in life. When it's all majestically perfect for a fleeting block of time.

Those moments are rare, yes, too few & too far between.

Yup. Just an athlete nearing the end of his career, but still managing a performance that led his team to a win. Athletes are human beings, after all. No hate on Derek Fisher for that at all.

He knows what it means if Lakers beat the Celtics.

[TheManFromAcme]

Yup. Just an athlete nearing the end of his career, but still managing a performance that led his team to a win. Athletes are human beings, after all. No hate on Derek Fisher for that at all.

He knows what it means if Lakers beat the Celtics.

Couldn't have said it any better Ln.

Fish just giving us a peek of what most rarely see.
BTW Ln, how's your little tiger doin? :toast

[LnGrrrR]

Couldn't have said it any better Ln.

Fish just giving us a peek of what most rarely see.
BTW Ln, how's your little tiger doin? :toast

He's doing great Acme, thanks for asking! He's into the stage now where he's trying to climb on everything, and getting upset when he can't have what we have for dinner. :lol

[cobbler]

He's doing great Acme, thanks for asking! He's into the stage now where he's trying to climb on everything, and getting upset when he can't have what we have for dinner. :lol

How old is he LnGrrrR?

[TheManFromAcme]

He's doing great Acme, thanks for asking! He's into the stage now where he's trying to climb on everything, and getting upset when he can't have what we have for dinner. :lol

:lol

[21_Blessings]

http://i48.tinypic.com/ma9nyt.jpg

[LnGrrrR]

How old is he LnGrrrR?

He'll be eight months old on the 25th of this month. He's right on the cusp of a lot of milestones... first tooth, first word (I don't count babbling "mama", he has to show actual recognition), and first steps.

[cobbler]

He'll be eight months old on the 25th of this month. He's right on the cusp of a lot of milestones... first tooth, first word (I don't count babbling "mama", he has to show actual recognition), and first steps.

Dude.... enjoy these days because it goes fast! Ages 1-5 are awesome in my opinion. It's such a cool thing to watch them soak it all in and the subsequent reactions when they figure something out. :toast

[LakerHater]

http://i6.tinypic.com/2co5xep.jpg

[SomeCallMeTim]

http://i48.tinypic.com/ma9nyt.jpg

:lol

[Shastafarian]

I wonder how long after July 1st NYK blows their load and offers him too much money to be the veteran on their team. Buss is gonna have to shell out some dough to keep him.

[HarlemHeat37]

In a league full of rapists, snitches and racists, it's good to have guys like Fisher TBH..annoying if he isn't on your team, but you have to respect him..

[cobbler]

LOL @ the Racist child abuse comedian with his constant rapist/snitch/racist comments.

[SomeCallMeTim]

In a league full of rapists, snitches and racists, it's good to have guys like Fisher TBH..annoying if he isn't on your team, but you have to respect him..

If someone ever asks me what the term "passive-aggressive" means, I'm going to send them a link to this post.

[milkshakeballa]

just thank christ fish didn't guarantee that pierce wouldn't return to ca..

Tee, hee.


testify culby!!!!! Testify!!!!!

[milkshakeballa]

He'll be eight months old on the 25th of this month. He's right on the cusp of a lot of milestones... first tooth, first word (I don't count babbling "mama", he has to show actual recognition), and first steps.

Honestly LnG...the first tooth is a joy.

And when the first one falls out....ah LORDY.

God Bless you and your family LnG.

Lord knows He won't bless the Celtics.

[lil_penny]

fish is a good dude

[Giuseppe]

I was a stay at home father for my three children. Those were the best days. They're all grown and gone now. Went by in a blink. It's just me and the old lady once again. When I watch a movie on the cable I always look at the date and contemplate the ages of the boys at that time and what it was like at that moment. They used to play in the backyard all day long, in the dirt, in the mud, then come in and I'd have 'em stand by kitchen sink, and soak their little dirty hands in the dishwater whilst I cleaned their faces, blew their noses and brush their hair. Then set them onto the washing machine that was in the corner of the kitchen where I'd give them each a tight hug. No hands twixt the bodies, chest to chest, and squeeze as hard as I dared.

I'll take those mems to the grave.

[milkshakeballa]

I was a stay at home father for my three children. Those were the best days. They're all grown and gone now. Went by in a blink. It's just me and the old lady once again. When I watch a movie on the cable I always look at the date and contemplate the ages of the boys at that time and what it was like at that moment. They used to play in the backyard all day long, in the dirt, in the mud, then come in and I'd have 'em stand by kitchen sink, and soak their little dirty hands in the dishwater whilst I cleaned their faces, blew their noses and brush their hair. Then set them onto the washing machine that was in the corner of the kitchen where I'd give them each a tight hug. No hands twixt the bodies, chest to chest, and squeeze as hard as I dared.

I'll take those mems to the grave.


That is a beautiful story Culby.

Awesome.

:toast:toast

You don't know what he is talking about UNLESS you're a father.

[Kriz-Maxima]

I thought Fisher crying last night was a great moment. He looked honestly overwhelmed.

[Spursfan092120]

I was a stay at home father for my three children. Those were the best days. They're all grown and gone now. Went by in a blink. It's just me and the old lady once again. When I watch a movie on the cable I always look at the date and contemplate the ages of the boys at that time and what it was like at that moment. They used to play in the backyard all day long, in the dirt, in the mud, then come in and I'd have 'em stand by kitchen sink, and soak their little dirty hands in the dishwater whilst I cleaned their faces, blew their noses and brush their hair. Then set them onto the washing machine that was in the corner of the kitchen where I'd give them each a tight hug. No hands twixt the bodies, chest to chest, and squeeze as hard as I dared.

I'll take those mems to the grave.
:tu

[Spursfan092120]

That is a beautiful story Culby.

Awesome.

:toast:toast

You don't know what he is talking about UNLESS you're a father.
I'm not a father yet, but I have a niece that I helped raise and a nephew who's my Godson...I think what Derek did was great for his family, and despite .4, I'll always consider him a great person.

[LnGrrrR]

Honestly LnG...the first tooth is a joy.

And when the first one falls out....ah LORDY.

God Bless you and your family LnG.

Lord knows He won't bless the Celtics.

Thanks milkshake. You know I give you shit on here but it's all good. And yes, the Celtics are definitely unblessed right now.

I think, in fact, that after Game 2, Ray Allen went intoo a church, looked up at Jesus and said, "Shit son, you got nothing on me! I AM JESUS! JESUS SHUTTLESWORTH BIOTCH!"

Hence his damning Game 3. :lol

[milkshakeballa]

Thanks milkshake. You know I give you shit on here but it's all good. And yes, the Celtics are definitely unblessed right now.

I think, in fact, that after Game 2, Ray Allen went intoo a church, looked up at Jesus and said, "Shit son, you got nothing on me! I AM JESUS! JESUS SHUTTLESWORTH BIOTCH!"

Hence his damning Game 3. :lol


:lol:lol:lol

[LnGrrrR]

I was a stay at home father for my three children. Those were the best days. They're all grown and gone now. Went by in a blink. It's just me and the old lady once again. When I watch a movie on the cable I always look at the date and contemplate the ages of the boys at that time and what it was like at that moment. They used to play in the backyard all day long, in the dirt, in the mud, then come in and I'd have 'em stand by kitchen sink, and soak their little dirty hands in the dishwater whilst I cleaned their faces, blew their noses and brush their hair. Then set them onto the washing machine that was in the corner of the kitchen where I'd give them each a tight hug. No hands twixt the bodies, chest to chest, and squeeze as hard as I dared.

I'll take those mems to the grave.

:tu Great story Culby.

On one hand, I can't wait for him to start walking, start getting his motor skills, so we can play around and I can see him being talking. And on the other hand, I know how fast time goes, and the faster it travels the less you have. Even wishing for a moment to go by faster seems wrong. So I'll just be patient and enjoy each day for what it is.

[LnGrrrR]

Dude.... enjoy these days because it goes fast! Ages 1-5 are awesome in my opinion. It's such a cool thing to watch them soak it all in and the subsequent reactions when they figure something out. :toast

I'll make sure to Cobbler. I just barely missed getting tapped for a 180 deployment to Iraq last month... that would've sucked, as I would've missed all those firsts. They tried to squeeze it in during the end of my cycle, but they couldn't fit in the pre-deployment training so it went to someone in the next bucket.

I'm sure I'll get tagged next deployment cycle though. At least by then, my kid will have gotten through most of the milestones.

[cobbler]

I'll make sure to Cobbler. I just barely missed getting tapped for a 180 deployment to Iraq last month... that would've sucked, as I would've missed all those firsts. They tried to squeeze it in during the end of my cycle, but they couldn't fit in the pre-deployment training so it went to someone in the next bucket.

I'm sure I'll get tagged next deployment cycle though. At least by then, my kid will have gotten through most of the milestones.

You have my respect and sincere thanks for serving our country and protecting our freedoms. :toast

Even for a puke ass celtics fan! :wow

[spurs10]

Dude.... enjoy these days because it goes fast! Ages 1-5 are awesome in my opinion. It's such a cool thing to watch them soak it all in and the subsequent reactions when they figure something out. :toast
With this I have to agree....kids pretty much trump everything.:toast

[spurs10]

All you Laker fans appearing to be decent, loving Dads has got to be some kind of ploy...so you're not all the children of Satan??....this really ruins it all for me....oh well, all the best to you and your families, but FTL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mikesatx]

Fisher crying is fine especially from a guy that has been getting owned game after game. I forgot how much the Spurs kicked the shit out of the lakers to close the great western forum. Ahhh the memories

[SomeCallMeTim]

Fisher crying is fine especially from a guy that has been getting owned game after game. I forgot how much the Spurs kicked the shit out of the lakers to close the great western forum. Ahhh the memories

Eleven years ago?

Really, you went there?

Dang, I thought Fisher's 0.4 was ancient history. You practically went ABA on us.

[cobbler]

Fisher crying is fine especially from a guy that has been getting owned game after game. I forgot how much the Spurs kicked the shit out of the lakers to close the great western forum. Ahhh the memories

Yeah, the Spurs 3-8 playoffs record against the Lakers just screams Spur ownership! :lol

[Mikesatx]

Not about ownership. Just about the moment. I forgot how bad we beat the Lakers that game. Fisher is the only player on the Lakers round after round that served as an advantage for the other team. If you get one game in the finals where he pulls the win out you can't ask fo more.

[TheManFromAcme]

Fisher crying is fine especially from a guy that has been getting owned game after game. I forgot how much the Spurs kicked the shit out of the lakers to close the great western forum. Ahhh the memories
.
.......and how Shaq, Kobe AND Fish closed down the Alamo Dome back in '01 and if memory serves me well......it was quite the a$$ kicking. Need some more strolls down memory lane? I can oblige.

[21_Blessings]

Not about ownership. Just about the moment. I forgot how bad we beat the Lakers that game. Fisher is the only player on the Lakers round after round that served as an advantage for the other team. If you get one game in the finals where he pulls the win out you can't ask fo more.

Yeah but which team got the three-peat? My memory is a bit fuzzy.

Remember that 2008 year where the defending champion Spurs were curbstomped in 5 games by a Laker team missing two starters?

[MiamiHeat]

FUCK derek fisher.

During the 08 Collusion Year of the Lakers, they told Kobe Bryant that they promise they will do what it takes to fix it THIS SEASON.

Bryant had demanded a trade, remember?

Gasol collusion trade,

Derek Fisher suddenly "my daughter needs out of Utah, please, her eyes and shit" Yeah, his daughter has a real disease, but he was convinced by Lakers to come back to be Lakers PG. LAKERS HAD NO PG and there was no solution to that problem soon.

So Fisher promises Utah, "YEAH I PROMISE I WILL NOT GO TO LA, PLEASE, FOR MY DAUGHTER, LET ME OUT OF MY CONTRACT"

then bam

He goes to LA.


sons, Fuck Derek Fisher and fuck the Lakers.

[TheManFromAcme]

FUCK derek fisher.

During the 08 Collusion Year of the Lakers, they told Kobe Bryant that they promise they will do what it takes to fix it THIS SEASON.

Bryant had demanded a trade, remember?

Gasol collusion trade,

Derek Fisher suddenly "my daughter needs out of Utah, please, her eyes and shit" Yeah, his daughter has a real disease, but he was convinced by Lakers to come back to be Lakers PG. LAKERS HAD NO PG and there was no solution to that problem soon.

So Fisher promises Utah, "YEAH I PROMISE I WILL NOT GO TO LA, PLEASE, FOR MY DAUGHTER, LET ME OUT OF MY CONTRACT"

then bam

He goes to LA.


sons, Fuck Derek Fisher and fuck the Lakers.

You do what you got to do sometimes. I doubt your perfect Miami and being that you've never been a pro-basketball player with a daughter you'll never really know what you would do in that situation. We are all "weasels" in life and do what we can to give us an advantage in life. It's only human. Your not above it. I am not above it. Nobody is above it. Even basketball players.

Welcome to life.

[Giuseppe]

Once old man Miller died the story has been bastardized.....he said/he said.

Miller took the truth with him to the grave.

[lefty]

Where are the Laker trolls who made fun of Nash when he cried?

LMAO Fisher

[Giuseppe]

Where are the Laker trolls who made fun of Nash when he cried?

Not I. Nash, in front of that locker was more genuine than Fish. I loved Nash there. Media hadn't the opportunity to package it, make a buck off it before we shamelessly were privy to this private moment. Good for us?

It was stunningly beautiful.

[manufan10]

All you Laker fans appearing to be decent, loving Dads has got to be some kind of ploy...so you're not all the children of Satan??....this really ruins it all for me....oh well, all the best to you and your families, but FTL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know, ruined everything! :lol

[manufan10]

I was a stay at home father for my three children. Those were the best days. They're all grown and gone now. Went by in a blink. It's just me and the old lady once again. When I watch a movie on the cable I always look at the date and contemplate the ages of the boys at that time and what it was like at that moment. They used to play in the backyard all day long, in the dirt, in the mud, then come in and I'd have 'em stand by kitchen sink, and soak their little dirty hands in the dishwater whilst I cleaned their faces, blew their noses and brush their hair. Then set them onto the washing machine that was in the corner of the kitchen where I'd give them each a tight hug. No hands twixt the bodies, chest to chest, and squeeze as hard as I dared.

I'll take those mems to the grave.

:tu

:worthy:

[TheManFromAcme]

Not I. Nash, in front of that locker was more genuine than Fish. I loved Nash there. Media hadn't the opportunity to package it, make a buck off it before we shamelessly were privy to this private moment. Good for us?

It was stunningly beautiful.

Yup.

Same here. What Nash did in revealing himself like that was to remind us that even though it's a kids game, we still feel pain in losing (I actually heard that on t.v the other day).

For all of us in here who have ever played organized sports, we can relate to Nash.

[Phillip]

Nah I feel for him, hes gone through a lot of shit. Having a child with a health condition is a pretty big fucking deal. I work on the side for a nonprofit that deals with parents who have children with special health care needs and it takes a fucking toll on the parents and family. Fisher was able to overcome that and hit those shots, hes got a right to be emotional.

Yeah, and using that health condition as a reason to get out of his Utah contract to go back and play for the Lakers was a real class act :rolleyes

Fuck Derek Fisher.

[silverblk mystix]

FUCK derek fisher.

During the 08 Collusion Year of the Lakers, they told Kobe Bryant that they promise they will do what it takes to fix it THIS SEASON.

Bryant had demanded a trade, remember?

Gasol collusion trade,

Derek Fisher suddenly "my daughter needs out of Utah, please, her eyes and shit" Yeah, his daughter has a real disease, but he was convinced by Lakers to come back to be Lakers PG. LAKERS HAD NO PG and there was no solution to that problem soon.

So Fisher promises Utah, "YEAH I PROMISE I WILL NOT GO TO LA, PLEASE, FOR MY DAUGHTER, LET ME OUT OF MY CONTRACT"

then bam

He goes to LA.


sons, Fuck Derek Fisher and fuck the Lakers.

pretty much----THIS!

[TheManFromAcme]

Yeah, and using that health condition as a reason to get out of his Utah contract to go back and play for the Lakers was a real class act :rolleyes

Fuck Derek Fisher.

So you kill 2 birds with one stone.......what's the big deal?

Get over it.

[Giuseppe]

Yeah, and using that health condition as a reason to get out of his Utah contract to go back and play for the Lakers was a real class act :rolleyes

Fuck Derek Fisher.

If Miller bought the bill of goods that's good enough for me.

[TheManFromAcme]

:rolleyes My,my what a bunch of perfect human beings in here.

[silverblk mystix]

the medical thing is understandable---but DON'T try that bullshit that only L.A. has medical professionals....

fuck fish==dirtiest player in the nba---on a team that has kobe,artest,bynum,etc.

[Giuseppe]

the medical thing is understandable---but DON'T try that bullshit that only L.A. has medical professionals....

fuck fish==dirtiest player in the nba---on a team that has kobe,artest,bynum,etc.

You ain't lilly white there with the Silver & Skunked. You've had Bowen. You've had Rodman. You still have Manu. They're as dirty as our Fish.

Nobody knows what transpired between Miller & Fish. The fact is Miller gave his consent and entered his house justified. His family dredging up this caca is not what Miller wanted. Miller did the right thing in his eyes. If Fish was not being truthful with him then that is between Fish & his maker. Miller couldn't bargain over the health of a child, that's why he did not take back compensation. The thought probably repulsed him.

[cobbler]

FUCK derek fisher.

During the 08 Collusion Year of the Lakers, they told Kobe Bryant that they promise they will do what it takes to fix it THIS SEASON.

Bryant had demanded a trade, remember?

Gasol collusion trade,

Derek Fisher suddenly "my daughter needs out of Utah, please, her eyes and shit" Yeah, his daughter has a real disease, but he was convinced by Lakers to come back to be Lakers PG. LAKERS HAD NO PG and there was no solution to that problem soon.

So Fisher promises Utah, "YEAH I PROMISE I WILL NOT GO TO LA, PLEASE, FOR MY DAUGHTER, LET ME OUT OF MY CONTRACT"

then bam

He goes to LA.


sons, Fuck Derek Fisher and fuck the Lakers.

Can you post links proving ANYTHING you just spewed? What a bunch of hogwash.

[Phillip]

:rolleyes My,my what a bunch of perfect human beings in here.

It's not a matter of being perfect or imperfect. It's the fact that he used his daughters illness as a means to take advantage of someones kindness.

If it was the other way around, and Fisher used his daughters illness as a reason to get out of his contract and go play for Lebron, you would hate him as much as Jazz fans.

[Giuseppe]

Phil, you don't know what transpired between Fish & Miller. Yer just stove up because of what you've read and heard. The truth is between the two men. One is now dead.

Case closed.

[milkshakeballa]

FUCK derek fisher.

During the 08 Collusion Year of the Lakers, they told Kobe Bryant that they promise they will do what it takes to fix it THIS SEASON.

Bryant had demanded a trade, remember?

Gasol collusion trade,

Derek Fisher suddenly "my daughter needs out of Utah, please, her eyes and shit" Yeah, his daughter has a real disease, but he was convinced by Lakers to come back to be Lakers PG. LAKERS HAD NO PG and there was no solution to that problem soon.

So Fisher promises Utah, "YEAH I PROMISE I WILL NOT GO TO LA, PLEASE, FOR MY DAUGHTER, LET ME OUT OF MY CONTRACT"

then bam

He goes to LA.


sons, Fuck Derek Fisher and fuck the Lakers.

why you mad tho?

[TheManFromAcme]

It's not a matter of being perfect or imperfect. It's the fact that he used his daughters illness as a means to take advantage of someones kindness.

If it was the other way around, and Fisher used his daughters illness as a reason to get out of his contract and go play for Lebron, you would hate him as much as Jazz fans.

Oh yes it is.

People are calling out his character as if eveyone is above doing anything like this in the real world. That's my only point.

[21_Blessings]

Miller saved millions of dollars by letting Fish go. I'm sure he was heartbroken over the matter.

[Phillip]

Oh yes it is.

People are calling out his character as if eveyone is above doing anything like this in the real world. That's my only point.

People who do that in the real world are shitheads too, you fucking idiot.

[TheManFromAcme]

People who do that in the real world are shitheads too, you fucking idiot.

Which makes you an honoray member of society you pea-brain
Your gonna sit there and tell me you've never done anything in your life to increase the odds in your favor hence an advantage?

Get a clue jack-ass and wake up from your stay in utopia.

[JamStone]

I don't get the criticism of Fisher going back to the Lakers.

If you can accept the fact that his daughter's disease is a good and legitimate reason to get out of his contract with Utah, then where would you expect him to go?

-Los Angeles was one of the cities where his daughter could get the appropriate care.

-Fisher already lived in LA and already played for the Lakers and had the familiarity with the city and the system and the coaches and the players.

-The Lakers actually wanted Fisher back.

-The Lakers were getting back to being a good team as opposed to going to a team like the Clippers or Knicks.

Why are some of you criticizing Fisher for going back to the Lakers when it made the most sense for Fisher and his family and for the Lakers? Where did you expect him to go? You either criticize him for getting out of his Utah contract period or you don't. It shouldn't be about the fact he returned to the Lakers because once you admit his daughter's disease is a legitimate excuse, the Lakers made the most sense.

[Phillip]

Which makes you an honoray member of society you pea-brain
Your gonna sit there and tell me you've never done anything in your life to increase the odds in your favor hence an advantage?

Get a clue jack-ass and wake up from your stay in utopia.

Trying to increase odds of success is fine. But using a sickly kid as a reason to do so, and backing out on your word is another thing.

[TheManFromAcme]

I don't get the criticism of Fisher going back to the Lakers.

If you can accept the fact that his daughter's disease is a good and legitimate reason to get out of his contract with Utah, then where would you expect him to go?

-Los Angeles was one of the cities where his daughter could get the appropriate care.

-Fisher already lived in LA and already played for the Lakers and had the familiarity with the city and the system and the coaches and the players.

-The Lakers actually wanted Fisher back.

-The Lakers were getting back to being a good team as opposed to going to a team like the Clippers or Knicks.

Why are some of you criticizing Fisher for going back to the Lakers when it made the most sense for Fisher and his family and for the Lakers? Where did you expect him to go? You either criticize him for getting out of his Utah contract period or you don't. It shouldn't be about the fact he returned to the Lakers because once you admit his daughter's disease is a legitimate excuse, the Lakers made the most sense.

Because you have real world sense of things Jam, that's why, unlike other idiots in here.

:tu good post BTW

[TheManFromAcme]

Trying to increase odds of success is fine. But using a sickly kid as a reason to do so, and backing out on your word is another thing.

I can think of other things going on the world were little innocent children are really exploited and used. Fish's case isn't one of them.

[Kamnik]

I don't get the criticism of Fisher going back to the Lakers.

If you can accept the fact that his daughter's disease is a good and legitimate reason to get out of his contract with Utah, then where would you expect him to go?

-Los Angeles was one of the cities where his daughter could get the appropriate care.

-Fisher already lived in LA and already played for the Lakers and had the familiarity with the city and the system and the coaches and the players.

-The Lakers actually wanted Fisher back.

-The Lakers were getting back to being a good team as opposed to going to a team like the Clippers or Knicks.

Why are some of you criticizing Fisher for going back to the Lakers when it made the most sense for Fisher and his family and for the Lakers? Where did you expect him to go? You either criticize him for getting out of his Utah contract period or you don't. It shouldn't be about the fact he returned to the Lakers because once you admit his daughter's disease is a legitimate excuse, the Lakers made the most sense.

Great great post!

This is why you are on of my favourite posters around here. (blushing :p: )



And those that laugh at Fisher for crying... He CARES about wining and this is why he is a WINNER.

All the NBA athletes say that they care about winning, but in reality many don't. Fisher certanily isn't among them.

[Phillip]

I don't get the criticism of Fisher going back to the Lakers.

If you can accept the fact that his daughter's disease is a good and legitimate reason to get out of his contract with Utah, then where would you expect him to go?

-Los Angeles was one of the cities where his daughter could get the appropriate care.

-Fisher already lived in LA and already played for the Lakers and had the familiarity with the city and the system and the coaches and the players.

-The Lakers actually wanted Fisher back.

-The Lakers were getting back to being a good team as opposed to going to a team like the Clippers or Knicks.

Why are some of you criticizing Fisher for going back to the Lakers when it made the most sense for Fisher and his family and for the Lakers? Where did you expect him to go? You either criticize him for getting out of his Utah contract period or you don't. It shouldn't be about the fact he returned to the Lakers because once you admit his daughter's disease is a legitimate excuse, the Lakers made the most sense.

I don't think that the medical condition was truly a good reason to get out of the contract, period. I think he could have stayed in Utah and still been able to get the medical treatment neccesary for his child. May have required some traveling, but big whoop... hes a fucking basketball player. Traveling is part of his life. I'm sure he could have been granted a leave of absence to go to New York or Baltimore to get the girl's surgery.

It may not have been as convenient, but fact is, he signed a contract. He's supposed to work around it, not just use that as a reason to get out and go play with Kobe again once the Lakers started looking like they were back on track for success.

There isn't a doubt in my mind he could have kept playing in Utah, and that his daughter would have ended up doing just fine.

[Phillip]

Because you have real world sense of things Jam, that's why, unlike other idiots in here.

:tu good post BTW

I'm criticizing him because he didn't need to leave Utah, PERIOD. He could have stayed and still found a way with his millions of dollars to make sure his daughter came through fine.

[TheMACHINE]

I don't think that the medical condition was truly a good reason to get out of the contract, period. I think he could have stayed in Utah and still been able to get the medical treatment neccesary for his child. May have required some traveling, but big whoop... hes a fucking basketball player. Traveling is part of his life. I'm sure he could have been granted a leave of absence to go to New York or Baltimore to get the girl's surgery.

It may not have been as convenient, but fact is, he signed a contract. He's supposed to work around it, not just use that as a reason to get out and go play with Kobe again once the Lakers started looking like they were back on track for success.

There isn't a doubt in my mind he could have kept playing in Utah, and that his daughter would have ended up doing just fine.

Hindsight is 20/20. I'm not sure if you have kids, but you dont risk that kind of stuff.

[Giuseppe]

Phil, rewriting his outrage.

[TheManFromAcme]

:bang

Dang Phil, you still don't get it do ya?

[TheManFromAcme]

I'm criticizing him because he didn't need to leave Utah, PERIOD. He could have stayed and still found a way with his millions of dollars to make sure his daughter came through fine.

Have you maybe once considered that FISH WANTS to play in L.A? Basketball contracts are just that....basketball contracts. If he was contractually obligated to finish a research project at CDC for a cure that ails mankind and then he splits the program cause he wants to work at Mattel inventing a new TOY and make more money than yeah, that's douchery on so many levels.

Fish was a Laker at heart and the Lakers coveted him and he knew it.
Fish is not a Utah guy.

[Phillip]

Have you maybe once considered that FISH WANTS to play in L.A? Basketball contracts are just that....basketball contracts. If he was contractually obligated to finish a research project at CDC for a cure that ails mankind and then he splits the program cause he wants to work at Mattel and make more money than yeah, that's douchery on so many levels.

Fish was a Laker at heart and the Lakers coveted him and he knew it.
Fish is not a Utah guy.

And he's a piece of shit for using his daughters illness as a way to get what he truly wanted... to play for the Lakers. He had a contract to play for Utah.

[Phillip]

Hindsight is 20/20. I'm not sure if you have kids, but you dont risk that kind of stuff.

It's not a risk when you're a fucking millionaire. I can understand if you don't have the money to be able to live up to a contract you have with your job, and get the neccesary treatment, thus asking out of it so that you can relocate to do so. But Fisher had the means and money to make that happen. That's why it was bullshit. Especially if the rumors are true about them having a verbal agreement that he wouldn't go to a rival like LA, and he led them on to believe that he had no intent to go back there, then did so afterwards.

[TheManFromAcme]

And he's a piece of shit for using his daughters illness as a way to get what he truly wanted... to play for the Lakers. He had a contract to play for Utah.


Like I said...."Killing 2 birds with one stone"I didn't know you were a Fisher family insider in determining his fatherly obligations. Last time I checked, Fish is happily married and a pretty decent guy.

[JamStone]

Questioning him breaking his contract with Utah can be a legit argument, but then it stops there. Don't bring up the fact that he went to the Lakers. If you think he's shitty for breaking his contract with Utah, then that's it, no matter where he intended and actually ended up going.

But it's pretty much fact that nowhere near Utah were there places that could give Fisher's daughter the same quality and level of care as cities like LA and NY and Miami. That's not made up. That's actually true.

So then you question him being a multi-millionaire who could make things happen. I guess. But most loving fathers want to live in the same city as their families. He already travels a lot as a pro athlete, now you're talking about being away from his family even more when there was obviously a more convenient option? If my daughter had a life threatening illness, I would want to be as close to her as I could as often as I could. Something critical happens to her and I'm 1000 miles away when I could have been closer, I'll hate myself later for not being there.

And, let's not forget that Utah isn't exactly beyond scheming either. Do you remember the circumstances of them signing Carlos Boozer? Boozer asked Cleveland to relinquish their limited Bird Rights (for second round picks) and promised to re-sign with Cleveland when they could offer him more money the following season. Cleveland let him out of that and Utah came in with a contract offer the Cavs couldn't financially match because of the CBA rules at the time. Not like Utah felt any guilt or moral dilemma then, right?

Did Fisher want to go back to the Lakers? Sure. I'm sure that was definitely something he wanted to do. But, that doesn't make his daughter's illness any less legitimate.

And this is the first time hearing anything about a verbal promise not to sign with a rival like the Lakers. Where is that rumor from?

[Phillip]

Like I said...."Killing 2 birds with one stone"I didn't know your were a Fisher family insider in determining his fatherly obligations. Last time I checked, Fish is happily married and a pretty decent guy.

You aren't getting it. He said he was going to NY (EAST COAST non-rival) to get further evaluations and treatments for his daughter, and while he said he wouldn't rule out a return to the NBA in the future, he wasn't focused on playing basketball either until his daughter was doing better, yet signs a contract with the Lakers (WEST COAST massive rival) 2 days later.

That's some shady, lying-ass bullshit.

[IronMexican]

-The Lakers were getting back to being a good team as opposed to going to a team like the Clippers or Knicks.


They actually weren't. They struggled mightily the second half of the season, and Kobe wanted out.

[TheManFromAcme]

You aren't getting it. He said he was going to NY (EAST COAST non-rival) to get further evaluations and treatments for his daughter, and while he said he wouldn't rule out a return to the NBA in the future, he wasn't focused on playing basketball either until his daughter was doing better, yet signs a contract with the Lakers (WEST COAST massive rival) 2 days later.

That's some shady, lying-ass bullshit.

See Jam's recent post.

[Phillip]

They actually weren't. They struggled mightily the second half of the season, and Kobe wanted out.

They sure started great. Then if I recall, injuries plagued the team.

Truth is, it was known that Fisher and his wife didn't like Utah, and wanted to go back to LA. They used the excuse of their daughter and led the owner to believe he wasn't planning on playing basketball in the near future, and if he was, it would probably be in the Eastern conference (likely in New York), then suddenly signs with LA 2 days later. That's shady. Technically, he didn't do anything wrong, but morally, that's some fake, lying bullshit, to take advantage of another man's kindness (in a BUSINESS world, which is quite rare with all the greedy motherfuckers around) like that.

[Phillip]

See Jam's recent post.

Why, because you are too stupid to say something yourself because you have no idea what you are talking about because you are probably a 15 year old moron? Kindly shut the hell up, lakerfan.

[JamStone]

They actually weren't. They struggled mightily the second half of the season, and Kobe wanted out.

Compared to going to the Clippers, Knicks, or Nets...

[JamStone]

They sure started great. Then if I recall, injuries plagued the team.

Truth is, it was known that Fisher and his wife didn't like Utah, and wanted to go back to LA. They used the excuse of their daughter and led the owner to believe he wasn't planning on playing basketball in the near future, and if he was, it would probably be in the Eastern conference (likely in New York), then suddenly signs with LA 2 days later. That's shady. Technically, he didn't do anything wrong, but morally, that's some fake, lying bullshit, to take advantage of another man's kindness (in a BUSINESS world, which is quite rare with all the greedy motherfuckers around) like that.

I think your argument has some merit.

But it's based on a lot of conjecture, unless you have either personal information or legitimate sources to support some of those things you claim, like him saying he wasn't planning on playing basketball or that he verbally agreed not to go to a team like the Lakers.

That's really just rumors and conjecture, isn't it?

Or do you really have evidence proving those things?

[TDMVPDPOY]

at the end of the day, you clowns posting about this clown like he gives a shit?

[IronMexican]

Compared to going to the Clippers, Knicks, or Nets...

Clippers were a game away from getting the 8 spot over the Warriors(:lmao:lmao Chokericks). I thought LA was gonna get ready to suck with everything. I knew Kobe was goin g to ask for a trade after watching/hearing his post game interview for game 5. He said he didn't know what the future holded for him on this team.

[IronMexican]

And didn't the Nets beat the Raptors in the playoffs that year? Unless you are talking about this year's teams for the 3 above mentioned.

[TheManFromAcme]

Why, because you are too stupid to say something yourself because you have no idea what you are talking about because you are probably a 15 year old moron? Kindly shut the hell up, lakerfan.

So the yielding begins. It was a matter of time. :toast
So your convinced that I am 15 year old ay?

"Do you know who I am? I am the ManFromAcme. I made my bones when you were running away from Cheerleaders"

My dear lad, I've been watching Laker basketball in a cognizant manner since 1980.

With that said, get of Fish's back. Your obsession is rather odd.

[JamStone]

Clippers were a game away from getting the 8 spot over the Warriors(:lmao:lmao Chokericks). I thought LA was gonna get ready to suck with everything. I knew Kobe was goin g to ask for a trade after watching/hearing his post game interview for game 5. He said he didn't know what the future holded for him on this team.


And didn't the Nets beat the Raptors in the playoffs that year? Unless you are talking about this year's teams for the 3 above mentioned.

So things being almost equal among those teams in terms of their success at the time (similar records and all low seeded playoff teams), doesn't the team with Kobe Bryant still look better?

Now what you say about Kobe demanding a trade and not knowing the future of the Lakers could very well be true, but I'd figure Fisher actually talked to Kobe about things, about the team and its direction as well as just asking him about his situation. I think Fisher knew what most people knew down deep inside, and that even if Kobe demanded a trade, the Lakers weren't going to trade him. And, then you add what back then looked like a very promising big man in Bynum, and I think those two players alone and Phil Jackson would give a player like Fisher more confidence than going to a team like the Clippers or Nets. Not to mention it's not like Fisher was going to start ahead of Jason Kidd on the Nets.

Perhaps as a Laker fan you didn't feel the same way at the time, but I think the Lakers looked to be a better situation than teams like the Nets, Knicks, and Clippers.

[manufan10]

I'll make fun of the guy for crying, a little (I can understand the situation), but to call him out for trying to do what is in the best interest of him and his family is ridiculous. There is two sides to every business deal. Fisher asked to be let go from his contract, and the Utah Jazz obliged. I'm pretty sure that if the Jazz had not released Fisher, then the majority of the people would be calling the Jazz a scumbag organization because they didn't let Fisher be with his family.

Phillip is turning into KBP. He's providing no link to the claims he is making.

[TheManFromAcme]

I'll make fun of the guy for crying, a little (I can understand the situation), but to call him out for trying to do what is in the best interest of him and his family is ridiculous. There is two sides to every business deal. Fisher asked to be let go from his contract, and the Utah Jazz obliged. I'm pretty sure that if the Jazz had not released Fisher, then the majority of the people would be calling the Jazz a scumbag organization because they didn't let Fisher be with his family.

Phillip is turning into KBP. He's providing no link to the claims he is making.

Thank you mf10. :tu

Ultimately Fish did what was best for his family and him.
Not a hard concept to grasp at that.

[Giuseppe]

.

Jammie, what in God's name is that Gold Emblem underneath your moniker about?

[Phillip]

Phillip is turning into KBP. He's providing no link to the claims he is making.

google "derek fisher utah jazz"

you will find plenty of stuff around talking about the situation.

[Giuseppe]

google "derek fisher utah jazz"

you will find plenty of stuff around talking about the situation.

Well, if somebody lodged it on the Internet it's the truth.:rolleyes

[manufan10]

From the AP report:


He didn't rule out playing for another NBA team but emphasized that his daughter's health is his No. 1 priority.

http://www.hoopsvibe.com/features/breaking-down-the-nba/49699-derek-fisher-leaving-utah-jazz-to-focus-on-daughters-treatment


Fisher played for the Jazz last year, but his daughter was diagnosed with a rare eye cancer. Fisher asked to opt out of his contract, so he could have better access to health care for her. He was subsequently picked up by the Lakers due to the proximity of a cancer treatment center for his daughter.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/23768-derek-fisher-fallout-a-note-to-utah-jazz-fans


Fisher was granted a release by the late Larry H. Miller after he asked for the opportunity to play in a market where he could get the best care for his daughter. He'd had trouble balancing basketball and his daughter's treatment, as evidenced by the very emotional cross-country trip from New York City to Utah to play in a playoff game against Golden State.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sportsprose/2010/05/girls_wear_fisher_lied_t-shirt.html

[manufan10]

then suddenly signs with LA 2 days later. That's shady.

He was released July 2, 2007 and signed with the Lakers July 19, 2007. If my math is correct that is more than 2 days later.


July 2, 2007http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/19572059/


July 19, 2007http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2942705

[LnGrrrR]

Jammie, what in God's name is that Gold Emblem underneath your moniker about?

It's a secret award! With secret voters!

FWIW, I voted for you and luva, though I think you were 2nd team Culby, and luva first. When I think Laker fan on these boards, I think luva, for better or worse. Mostly worse. :lol

[Giuseppe]

It's a secret award! With secret voters!

FWIW, I voted for you and luva, though I think you were 2nd team Culby, and luva first. When I think Laker fan on these boards, I think luva, for better or worse. Mostly worse. :lol

I'd give my left nut to have Kori dote on me a prestigious award like that.

[LnGrrrR]

Honestly, if you want to know:

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155802

And to show how bad the voting was, Mogro got twice as many votes as I did. :lol

[Greg Oden]

I'd give my left nut to have Kori dote on me a prestigious award like that.

send her some badass poetry, tbh.

[Giuseppe]

send her some badass poetry, tbh.

I would, but, I'm guessing Tim screens all her e-mail and I don't want him to see The Princess.....

The Princess

thread to thread
her fire
her rapture
our oracle
our ardor
her rule
her judgment
our dreams
her reality
our Princess

- Culburn

[Greg Oden]

tbh that should be enough to win her over. but how will katie girl feel about that?

[Giuseppe]

tbh that should be enough to win her over. but how will katie girl feel about that?

We have an agreement:::she works. she shops. I chase girls, and hang around women's changing rooms at Saks.

[LnGrrrR]

I would, but, I'm guessing Tim screens all her e-mail and I don't want him to see The Princess.....

The Princess

thread to thread
her fire
her rapture
our oracle
our ardor
her rule
her judgment
our dreams
her reality
our Princess

- Culburn

Pfft you can do better than a list poem Culby!

"The Princess"

She weaves words, ruling
bulletin board wastelands.
Imposing order, her symbol
a crimson hourglass counting
electronic grains, her weapon,
a pinking.

[Giuseppe]

Pfft you can do better than a list poem Culby!

"The Princess"

She weaves words, ruling
bulletin board wastelands.
Imposing order, her symbol
a crimson hourglass counting
electronic grains, her weapon,
a pinking.

That's the only way I write poetry, Ln.

[LnGrrrR]

That's the only way I write poetry, Ln.

www.everypoet.org/pffa (http://www.everypoet.org/pffa)

Have fun! Read some of the poems from the Beginner's section... the mods are far more merciless on there than they are here. Comments such as "Read 1,000 poems before you try to write another one" are common.

[TheManFromAcme]

We have an agreement:::she works. she shops. I chase girls, and hang around women's changing rooms at Saks.

:lol

Man Cully, not a bad gig at all

[Girasuck]

But it's pretty much fact that nowhere near Utah were there places that could give Fisher's daughter the same quality and level of care as cities like LA and NY and Miami. That's not made up. That's actually true.


BULL-FUCKING-SHIT!!!

http://www.huntsmancancer.org/

[mindcrime]

Nah I feel for him, hes gone through a lot of shit. Having a child with a health condition is a pretty big fucking deal. I work on the side for a nonprofit that deals with parents who have children with special health care needs and it takes a fucking toll on the parents and family. Fisher was able to overcome that and hit those shots, hes got a right to be emotional.

:tu

[cobbler]

And he's a piece of shit for using his daughters illness as a way to get what he truly wanted... to play for the Lakers. He had a contract to play for Utah.

Have you even bothered to read Derek and his Wife's explaination?

Your first misconception is that he got out of his contract because he wanted to play elsewhere. That is simply not the case. He talked with Miller and they agreed to negate the contract. Fisher left millions on the table. He knew he would need to be in the NY or LA area to receive the proper attention for his daughter.

Do you have a child? I'm guessing no. Cause anyone who does knows that you would do anything and everything for them in this situatuon. Has your family or any you know gone through an illness or disease with a child? It's heartbreaking and takes a HUGE mental, physical, and financial toll on all involved. Of course the finiancial aspect has no bearing in this case.

So now he's at the point where he's basically a free agent and needs to look in the two previously discussed locals. He looked at offers from several teams and at the time the Lakers needed him and made an offer. Of course, from a basketball point of view he's going to choose the Lakers. They were up and coming, there is a history there, and with that comes familiarity.

Familiarity. That's what you and eveyone who berates Fish about this fail to see. Fish's wifes extended family are in LA. So here you are, you 1st priority is for your daughters care and 2nd is the basketball career. What do you do?

Pick up the family, move to the other side of the country, and start anew in a city you have never lived in with no family within thousands of miles? Or do you do exactly what Fish did as he explained. He chose LA because he would be gone many times throughout the year with his basketball travels. At those times his wife would be home alone trying to take care of 2 children, one of who has a life threatening illness. You have no clue what that takes. They are here simply because her extended family is too and they can very much help out with the one daughter as the wife is attenting to the responsibilities of the ill one.

When people are threatened with life altering incidents, especially medical ones, you gravitate to your family and close friends for support and assistance. Familiarity!

[MiamiHeat]

Questioning him breaking his contract with Utah can be a legit argument, but then it stops there. Don't bring up the fact that he went to the Lakers. If you think he's shitty for breaking his contract with Utah, then that's it, no matter where he intended and actually ended up going.

Hey

Utah SPECIFICALLY TOLD FISHER, DO NOT GO TO THE LAKERS

Fisher promised "I WILL NOT GO TO LA, please let me out of my contract"

Once Fisher promised them, Utah let him out of his contract

he joins Lakers.

What part of this do you not understand?

Joining the Lakers is part of the scumbag move. Using his daughter's illness as a way to get Utah to release him so he can play iN LA, another scumbag move

FUCK derek fisher. He's also a FLOPPER and a DIRTY player. He is a scum of the NBA, he fits in perfectly with the Lakers and Kobe.

If he dies in a plane crash, I will smile.

[JamStone]

Source and/or link please.