FBI say's ACORN is 'Poverty pimpin' for dems

[jack sommerset]

FBI investigation notes reveal ACORN was working for the Democratic Party and told employees not to talk to the FBI, to cause confusion on Election Day and to go "poverty pimpin'" for votes.

Judicial Watch, a corruption-fighting legal group, obtained the notes related to the 2007 investigation and arrest of eight St. Louis, Mo., ACORN workers for violating election laws and committing voter fraud.

'Poverty pimpin,' fraud and work for Democratic Party

The FBI investigators interviewed ACORN canvassers working with Project Vote, an ACORN affiliate. Among the documents obtained by Judicial Watch were handwritten notes by FBI officials outlining the group's fraudulent activities. The following are some highlights from the FBI notes:

ACORN "told employees not to talk to the FBI," saying the FBI is "trying to intimidate you." Staff members were restricted on what they were allowed to say to the FBI.
ACORN accepted "fraudulent cards" "to cause confusion on Election Day to keep polls open longer," "to allow people who can't vote to vote" and "to allow voters to vote multiple times."
"Project Vote will pay them whether cards fake or not – whatever they had to do to get the cards was attitude."
Learn what dangers face America's way of choosing its leaders, get "STEALING THE NEXT ELECTION: From amnesty to universal registration, Obama's strategy for maintaining power"

The FBI investigators noted that workers were constantly threatened.
The FBI noted that ACORN had been "poverty pimpin.'"
The notes stated that ACORN headquarters was "working for the Democratic Party."
Project Vote "pays ACORN $6 per card" and said "you treat the cards like (cash)$."
Some registrant names were collected from the phone book and workers made up the rest.
Canvassers were often homeless, volatile, drug users, drunks, etc.
"Anyone who was against PV (Project Vote) or ACORN's goals was 'right wing.'"
Canvasser "thought if she used a completely fake name it would be less like ID theft." She said, "Yeah, it's against the law, I know," but "the fake cards would get her paid."

[MannyIsGod]

reputable link?

[jack sommerset]

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=164621

[clambake]

how did you find this rag, jack?

[jack sommerset]

how did you find this rag, jack?

Do you think Chelsea Schilling is lying?

[clambake]

all biased opinions are full of lies, jack.

i'm not bothered by it.

[George Gervin's Afro]

FBI investigation notes reveal ACORN was working for the Democratic Party and told employees not to talk to the FBI, to cause confusion on Election Day and to go "poverty pimpin'" for votes.

Judicial Watch, a corruption-fighting legal group, obtained the notes related to the 2007 investigation and arrest of eight St. Louis, Mo., ACORN workers for violating election laws and committing voter fraud.

'Poverty pimpin,' fraud and work for Democratic Party

The FBI investigators interviewed ACORN canvassers working with Project Vote, an ACORN affiliate. Among the documents obtained by Judicial Watch were handwritten notes by FBI officials outlining the group's fraudulent activities. The following are some highlights from the FBI notes:

ACORN "told employees not to talk to the FBI," saying the FBI is "trying to intimidate you." Staff members were restricted on what they were allowed to say to the FBI.
ACORN accepted "fraudulent cards" "to cause confusion on Election Day to keep polls open longer," "to allow people who can't vote to vote" and "to allow voters to vote multiple times."
"Project Vote will pay them whether cards fake or not – whatever they had to do to get the cards was attitude."
Learn what dangers face America's way of choosing its leaders, get "STEALING THE NEXT ELECTION: From amnesty to universal registration, Obama's strategy for maintaining power"

The FBI investigators noted that workers were constantly threatened.
The FBI noted that ACORN had been "poverty pimpin.'"
The notes stated that ACORN headquarters was "working for the Democratic Party."
Project Vote "pays ACORN $6 per card" and said "you treat the cards like (cash)$."
Some registrant names were collected from the phone book and workers made up the rest.
Canvassers were often homeless, volatile, drug users, drunks, etc.
"Anyone who was against PV (Project Vote) or ACORN's goals was 'right wing.'"
Canvasser "thought if she used a completely fake name it would be less like ID theft." She said, "Yeah, it's against the law, I know," but "the fake cards would get her paid."

how many fraudulent votes were cast jack?

[jack sommerset]

how many fraudulent votes were cast jack?

I don't know, how many?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I guess the FBI are now racists. F' Blacks & Immigrants. :lol
that way we can make sure "progress"ives know they're baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Do you think Chelsea Schilling is lying?

probably.

[George Gervin's Afro]

how did you find this rag, jack?



Hawaii elections clerk: Obama not born here
Official who oversaw ballots in 2008 race says hospital birth certificate non-existent

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Posted: June 10, 2010
3:39 am Eastern


By Joe Kovacs
© 2010 WorldNetDaily



A college instructor who worked as a senior elections clerk for the city and county of Honolulu in 2008 is making the stunning claim Barack Obama was definitely not born in Hawaii as the White House maintains, and that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Obama does not even exist in the Aloha State.


Tim Adams, a former senior elections clerk for Honolulu, now teaches English at Western Kentucky University.

"There is no birth certificate," said Tim Adams, a graduate assistant who teaches English at Western Kentucky University in Bowling Green, Ky. "It's like an open secret. There isn't one. Everyone in the government there knows this."

Adams, who says he's a Hillary Clinton supporter who ended up voting for John McCain when Clinton lost the Democratic nomination to Obama, told WND, "I managed the absentee-ballot office. It was my job to verify the voters' identity."

He says during the 2008 campaign when the issue of Obama's constitutional eligibility first arose, the elections office was inundated with requests to verify the birthplace of the U.S. senator from Illinois.

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"I had direct access to the Social Security database, the national crime computer, state driver's license information, international passport information, basically just about anything you can imagine to get someone's identity," Adams explained. "I could look up what bank your home mortgage was in. I was informed by my boss that we did not have a birth record [for Obama]."

At the time, there were conflicting reports that Obama had been born at the Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu, as well as the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children across town. So Adams says his office checked with both facilities.

"They told us, 'We don't have a birth certificate for him,'" he said. "They told my supervisor, either by phone or by e-mail, neither one has a document that a doctor signed off on saying they were present at this man's birth."

To date, no Hawaiian hospital has provided documented confirmation that Obama was born at its facility.


Copy of original long-form birth certificate of Susan Nordyke, born in Honolulu the day after Obama's reported birthdate. President Obama has never produced any document like this


WND confirmed with Hawaiian officials that Adams was indeed working in their election offices during the last presidential election.

"His title was senior elections clerk in 2008," said Glen Takahashi, elections administrator for the city and county of Honolulu.

Takahashi also confirmed Adams' time frame at the office from spring until the month of August.

"We hire temporary workers, because we're seasonal," he said.

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However, when WND asked Takahashi if the elections office could check on birth records, he said, "We don't have access to that kind of records. [There's] no access to birth records."

Adams responded, "They may say, 'We don't have access to that.' The regular workers don't, the ones processing ballots; but the people in administration do. I was the one overseeing the work of the people doing the balloting."

Adams stressed, "In my professional opinion, [Obama] definitely was not born in Hawaii. I can say without a shadow of a doubt that he was not born in Hawaii because there is no legal record of him being born there. If someone called and asked about it, I could not tell them that person was born in the state."

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The White House has maintained a computer-generated Certification of Live Birth, or COLB, is proof enough of Obama's Hawaiian birth, even though it has no hospital or doctor's name on it. Such documents differ from a Certificate of Live Birth which includes those details. In response to a direct question from WND, the Hawaii Department of Health refused to authenticate either of the two versions of Obama's short-form COLB, posted online – neither the image produced by the Obama campaign nor the images released by FactCheck.org.


This short-form Certification of Live Birth image, which is not the same as a long-form, hospital-generated Certificate of Live Birth, was released by the Obama campaign June 2008.


"Anyone can get that [COLB]," said Adams. "They are normally given if you give birth at home or while traveling overseas. We have a lot of Asian population [in Hawaii]. It's quite common for people to come back and get that."

When WND mentioned there were announcements of Obama's birth published in Hawaiian newspapers, Adams noted, "I'm sure the [maternal] grandparents were happy to put that in the paper when he got born."

But Adams says that doesn't necessarily mean he was actually born in Hawaii. While he's not 100 percent sure of Obama's true birthplace, he does think Kenya is a possibility, since his paternal grandmother stated that before allegedly being silenced by other family members.


Gov. Linda Lingle, R-Hawaii

Last month, as WND reported, Hawaii's Republican Gov. Linda Lingle reignited Obama's origin on a New York radio show.

"It's been an odd situation," Lingle said. "This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again I think it's one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country.

"So I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi'olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that's just a fact and yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue and I think it's again a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this."

Although the governor now claims she issued a news release stating Kapi'olani is Obama's birthplace, the actual release said no such thing, making no reference to Kapi'olani nor any other specific location of Obama's birth.

WND asked Adams why the governor would make such assertions if a Hawaiian hospital-generated birth certificate did not exist.

"Why would they say they've seen it and not produce it? I don't know," he said. "If they said they've seen the document, then why not produce the document? There's no need to put themselves out like that. I can't even begin to think why did that except for some kind of political expediency. I'm too far down the totem pole [to know]."

While Adams, who noted he spent nearly 10 years in the islands and has a bachelor's degree from the University of Hawaii, says he's certain Obama was not born there, he also does think the president is indeed a U.S. citizen, since his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham was an American.

He says he merely would like to see the truth come out and have the controversy over natural-born citizenship and presidential eligibility resolved once and for all.

"It's come to the point where it's a monster, and it's time to kill it," Adams said. "Solve the problem so that everyone can get back to cooperating to improve the country. People have lost sight that we're trying to make the country a better place."

He also feels some empathy for Obama, foreseeing what the president would potentially experience based on confirmation of his claims.

"You don't have to like President Obama," he said, "but it is sad that he's going to have to go through this public pillory by the time this all comes out, that they did cover this up; and that's sad because the first African-American man to become president shouldn't have this blight on his term in office. That's what he'll get remembered for. It's sad."

Adams says he's been telling other people his information for a long time, and he's free to talk about it publicly since he no longer has any confidentiality restrictions from his former employer, the Honolulu government. People started to pay attention this week after he was briefly interviewed by James Edwards, host of a weekly radio show on WLRM Radio in Memphis, Tenn.

As WND reported last July, the Kapi'olani Medical Center trumpeted – then later concealed – a letter allegedly written by President Obama in which he ostensibly declares his birth at the facility.


A photograph taken by the Kapi'olani Medical Center for WND shows a letter allegedly written by President Obama on embossed White House stationery in which he declares the Honolulu hospital to be "the place of my birth," The hospital, after publicizing the letter then refusing to confirm it even existed, is now vouching for its authenticity, but not its content. The White House has yet to verify any aspect of the letter.


"As a beneficiary of the excellence of Kapi'olani Medical Center – the place of my birth – I am pleased to add my voice to your chorus of supporters," Obama purportedly wrote.


This excerpt from the alleged Obama letter is perhaps the first formal declaration from the president about his exact birthplace. The White House has still not confirmed if the letter or its contents are authentic.



But the authenticity of that letter remains in doubt. Since WND raised questions about the veracity of the letter itself and its content, the White House has refused to say if the message is real and if its text originated with the president.

When WND correspondent Les Kinsolving asked Press Secretary Robert Gibbs about the letter at the July 13 news briefing, Gibbs dodged the question, refusing to confirm its authenticity while belittling Kinsolving for even posing the question.


Press Secretary Robert Gibbs refused to confirm the authenticity of the alleged Jan. 24, 2009, letter from President Obama to his purported place of birth, Kapi'olani Medical Center.


"Do all of your listeners and the listeners throughout this country the service to which any journalist owes those listeners, and that is the pursuit of the noble truth," Gibbs lectured Kinsolving. "And the noble truth is that the president was born in Hawaii, a state of the United States of America."

Since the medical center used the letter for a high-profile fundraising campaign in the Spring 2009 edition of its Inspire Magazine, the FBI and United States Secret Service said the matter could potentially lead to criminal prosecution were the letter determined to be fraudulent.

"It would be a charity-fraud scheme," said FBI spokesman Steve Kodak. "It would be investigated by us or the Secret Service. We both have jurisdiction over that."

WND also revealed the discovery by private investigators who say Obama is mysteriously using a Social Security Number that was issued in Connecticut, despite having worked in Hawaii as a teen and there being no mention of him living in Connecticut.

Meanwhile, Hawaii continues to get requests for release of Obama's hospital-generated birth certificate, leading state lawmakers to take action.

They passed a bill in April allowing any Hawaii department to ignore repeated inquiries for information from the same person, if the department already has responded within a year. Gov. Lingle signed it into law shortly after WND's report about her declaration on radio that Obama was born at Kapi'olani.

[MannyIsGod]

I think you misunderstood when I said reputable.

[Oh, Gee!!]

WND is still courageous enough to deliver the birther message to the masses

[George Gervin's Afro]

I don't know, how many?

From my count, none. Now you have nothing to whine about...

[Duff McCartney]

I realize how ridiculous the birther movement is. The laws of privacy are of absolutely no value to them. The laws of the states are of absolutely no value to them either.

But then again these are dumbass idiots who are spouting this nonsense.

[jack sommerset]

From my count, none. Now you have nothing to whine about...

Show us again how your big brain works. Could you tell me how I am whining about voter fraud?

[jack sommerset]

I realize how ridiculous the birther movement is. The laws of privacy are of absolutely no value to them. The laws of the states are of absolutely no value to them either.

But then again these are dumbass idiots who are spouting this nonsense.

Speaking of birthers. Another one came out.

A college professor who worked as a senior elections clerk for the City and County of Honolulu in 2008 is making the stunning claim Barack Obama was definitely not born in Hawaii as the White House maintains, and that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Obama does not even exist in the Aloha State.


Tim Adams, a former senior elections clerk for Honolulu, now teaches English at Western Kentucky University.

"There is no birth certificate," said Tim Adams, a graduate assistant who teaches English at Western Kentucky University in Bowling Green, Ky. "It's like an open secret. There isn't one. Everyone in the government there knows this."

Adams, who says he's a Hillary Clinton supporter who ended up voting for John McCain when Clinton lost the Democratic nomination to Obama, told WND, "I managed the absentee-ballot office. It was my job to verify the voters' identity."

He says during the 2008 campaign when the issue of Obama's constitutional eligibility first arose, the elections office was inundated with requests to verify the birthplace of the U.S. senator from Illinois.

"I had direct access to the Social Security database, the national crime computer, state driver's license information, international passport information, basically just about anything you can imagine to get someone's identity," Adams explained. "I could look up what bank your home mortgage was in. I was informed by my boss that we did not have a birth record [for Obama]."

[George Gervin's Afro]

Show us again how your big brain works. Could you tell me how I am whining about voter fraud?

so you started this thread for what reason?

[Oh, Gee!!]

Speaking of birthers. Another one came out.

A college professor who worked as a senior elections clerk for the City and County of Honolulu in 2008 is making the stunning claim Barack Obama was definitely not born in Hawaii as the White House maintains, and that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Obama does not even exist in the Aloha State.


gga beat you to the punch, jack.

[jack sommerset]

gga beat you to the punch, jack.

I'm sure he thinks I am birther too.

[jack sommerset]

so you started this thread for what reason?


Another example that ACCORN is corrupt..... Now smart guy who hates dumb people. You told me I was whining about voter fraud. How's that?

[Duff McCartney]

Speaking of birthers. Another one came out.

A college professor who worked as a senior elections clerk for the City and County of Honolulu in 2008 is making the stunning claim Barack Obama was definitely not born in Hawaii as the White House maintains, and that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Obama does not even exist in the Aloha State.


Tim Adams, a former senior elections clerk for Honolulu, now teaches English at Western Kentucky University.

"There is no birth certificate," said Tim Adams, a graduate assistant who teaches English at Western Kentucky University in Bowling Green, Ky. "It's like an open secret. There isn't one. Everyone in the government there knows this."

Adams, who says he's a Hillary Clinton supporter who ended up voting for John McCain when Clinton lost the Democratic nomination to Obama, told WND, "I managed the absentee-ballot office. It was my job to verify the voters' identity."

He says during the 2008 campaign when the issue of Obama's constitutional eligibility first arose, the elections office was inundated with requests to verify the birthplace of the U.S. senator from Illinois.

"I had direct access to the Social Security database, the national crime computer, state driver's license information, international passport information, basically just about anything you can imagine to get someone's identity," Adams explained. "I could look up what bank your home mortgage was in. I was informed by my boss that we did not have a birth record [for Obama]."

Another one? Out of how many that have debunked the entire birther movement? There is no evidence that Obama was born anywhere but Hawaii. There's plenty of morons out there shouting nonsense like not being allowed to see his birth certificate, which no one other than family or Obama, or a legal representative of him can do.

Just like you can't go to the county records and look up the original birth certificate that I have. Nor I to you. It's illegal.

[Winehole23]

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=164621Case notes, huh?

Were any crimes ever prosecuted on the basis of the disclosed *evidence*?

[clambake]

jack, this is pathetic of you.

[jack sommerset]

Another one? Out of how many that have debunked the entire birther movement? There is no evidence that Obama was born anywhere but Hawaii. There's plenty of morons out there shouting nonsense like not being allowed to see his birth certificate, which no one other than family or Obama, or a legal representative of him can do.

Just like you can't go to the county records and look up the original birth certificate that I have. Nor I to you. It's illegal.

Yes,,,,another birther has come forward......What don't you understand about that? There are people who don't believe Obama was born in the USA.......NOT ME.

[jack sommerset]

jack, this is pathetic of you.

Nope. ACCORN is corrupt.

[Duff McCartney]

Yes,,,,another birther has come forward......What don't you understand about that? There are people who don't believe Obama was not born in the USA.......NOT ME.

I understand. But those people who don't believe that are clearly unreasonable and illogical.

[jack sommerset]

Case notes, huh?*?

That's what the article says


Were any crimes ever prosecuted on the basis of the disclosed *evidence*?

:sleep

[jack sommerset]

I understand. But those people who don't believe that are clearly unreasonable and illogical.

Most of them.

[Winehole23]

:sleepI'm putting you down for no.

[jack sommerset]

I'm putting you down for *no*.

What's the point? Are you saying the notes of the FBI are wrong? ACCORN has plenty of court days ahead of itself. They might shed some light on that organiztion in a courtroom.

[Winehole23]

Could be. You prophesying?

[jack sommerset]

Could be. You prophesying?

I'm saying ACCORN is corrupt.

[DarrinS]

http://www.judicialwatch.org/news/2010/jun/judicial-watch-obtains-new-fbi-documents-regarding-acorn-voter-fraud-investigation

[Winehole23]

That's ok with with me, jack. I ain't trying to disabuse you of the notion anymore.

[Winehole23]

http://www.judicialwatch.org/news/2010/jun/judicial-watch-obtains-new-fbi-documents-regarding-acorn-voter-fraud-investigationHandwritten notes, already cited upstream.

Please catch up.

[jack sommerset]

That's ok with with me, jack. I ain't trying to disabuse you of the notion anymore.

You couldn't. They are corrupt.

[Winehole23]

That's the same goddam notes, Darrin.

[Winehole23]

You couldn't. They are corrupt.Fight the power, dude.

[ChumpDumper]

Could you post the notes in YouTube form?

[jack sommerset]

Fight the power, dude.

LOL...You ain't the power, dude.

[DarrinS]

http://www.judicialwatch.org/files/documents/2010/ACORN_FBI_docs.pdf

[Duff McCartney]

Most of them.

All of them.

[Winehole23]

http://www.judicialwatch.org/files/d...N_FBI_docs.pdf (http://www.judicialwatch.org/files/documents/2010/ACORN_FBI_docs.pdf)We heard you the first time, brainiac. That was the first reiteration of the OP. This is your second. It was imbricated in your fist - sorry, first -- link.

Is there an echo in here? :lol

[Winehole23]

LOL...You ain't the power, dude.Gladly, no.

[jack sommerset]

All of them.

I'm just saying all of them are not fucked up. Plenty of people think Moses split the Red Sea and I don't consider them crazy.

[Duff McCartney]

I'm just saying all of them are not fucked up. Plenty of people think Moses split the Red Sea and I don't consider them crazy.

I'm saying all of them are being illogical and unreasonable. It's one thing to take religious matters as part of faith.

It's another matter to see overwhelming evidence that Obama is a citizen. And still believe otherwise. That's ridiculous. Their logic is flawed if they can't dissect all the information from records, to newspaper announcements, to the non-Democrat government officials in Hawaii proclaiming he is a citizen. Not to mention, having complete disregard for the privacy laws of our country.

But that's the nature of conspiracy theories. They aren't for people with logical thinking.

[Blake]

http://dailyelements.com/secondteam.gif

3rd place in a first grade spelling bee is almost better.....:lol

still better than being on the 1st team, imo....

[jack sommerset]

I'm saying all of them are being illogical and unreasonable. It's one thing to take religious matters as part of faith.

It's another matter to see overwhelming evidence that Obama is a citizen..

Logic says Noah didn't build a ark, put two of every animal known to mankind on the ship then watch it rain for 40 day and 40 nights as the rest of the world died. These people are not being logical and faith is an excuse for their stupidity

The evidence is the two newspapers in hawaii that annouced his birth all those years ago. That's good enough for me but it certainly is not overwhelming.

[Winehole23]

Logic says Noah didn't build a ark, put two of every animal known to mankind on the ship then watch it rain for 40 day and 40 nights as the rest of the world died. These people are not being logical and faith is an excuse for their stupidity.Never let your zeal for the truth interfere with a good yarn, sons.


The evidence is the two newspapers in hawaii that announced his birth all those years ago. That's good enough for me but it certainly is not overwhelming. I tend to doubt Obama's birth in the USA was merely contrived in the Hawaii newspapers, but actually took place elsewhere.

Other than the real or supposed absence of a physical original document, what supports this thesis?

[Duff McCartney]

Logic says Noah didn't build a ark, put two of every animal known to mankind on the ship then watch it rain for 40 day and 40 nights as the rest of the world died. These people are not being logical and faith is an excuse for their stupidity

The evidence is the two newspapers in hawaii that annouced his birth all those years ago. That's good enough for me but it certainly is not overwhelming.

That's not the only evidence that exists. There's more than credible evidence of government officials in the state of Hawaii that they have seen the original and they keep it secure. Why? Because it's an invasion of privacy.

Every single conspiracy theory about Obamas birth is debunked by numerous entities.

And also you're right logic does say the Ark didn't happen. But logic doesn't exist in the world of religion. That's what the purpose of religion is, to dismiss logic.

This is politics and logic exists in this realm.

[Winehole23]

It was imbricated in your ...first... link.You milked the link, D.

I bust your chops a tiny bit about not backing your bs up, and what do you do?

You go an milk a link. One pitiful link, without any comment whatsoever on the info disclosed therein. Thanks.

[Winehole23]

Did you even read it? :lol

[MannyIsGod]

Could you post the notes in YouTube form?

I chuckled.

[Winehole23]

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d10633r.pdf