Who would you pick? A prime Ewing or a prime Gasol?

[ezau]

Knowing what these guys can do eventually for their respective teams, who is going to be your pick?

[stretch]

Sorta tough. Simlar players in a lot of ways. Good post game. Good jumpshot. Long. But mentally fragile at times.

Gasol is more skilled on offense, while Ewing is probably a better defensive anchor. So it really depends on your need.

I'd probably take Gasol more often than I would take Ewing though. Gasol is so ridiculously skilled in the post, its not even funny.

[ChrisRichards]

As a 1st option? Definitely Patrick

28 Pts, 11 rebs 4 BPG in a season is no easy feat.

As a 2nd option? Also Patrick



Ewing had to face Shaq, Mourning and Mutombo and the Chicago Bulls in the East and when he finally had his break Olajuwon's best season was waiting for him out West. Gasol as valuable as he is for the Lakers had it easy with Nick Collison, Fesenko, Boozer, Amare and Garnett's one leg.


I respect Gasol's game but this dude is not going to get much recognition in the 90's. He would be in a lower tier with Brad Daugherty, Rik Smits, Rony Seikaly and Vlade Divac.

[Phillip]

I think Gasol didn't get a lot of recognition in this era that he would have gotten in other eras, because he was playing in a conference with 3 of the 5 best PFs of all time (Duncan, Garnett, Dirk). Not to mention Malone was still around early in his career, and other really good PFs like Amare, Boozer, Elton Brand, etc... have been around... all in the Western Conference.

[Mr. Body]

Good God, man. Patrick Ewing the first 9 times out of 10, and then the 10th time, too. Ewing was a far, far, far, far, far better player than Gasol is.

[JamStone]

Lol Patrick in his prime was a 25 ppg, 11 rpg, and 3 bpg guy and a very good defensive anchor. Despite his inability to bring the Knicks a title, he was a legitimate superstar franchise player in his day. Pau is a very, very good player who is best served when a team is not built around him.

[Pelicans78]

Ewing in the 80s was a beast. Quick, powerful, explosive. Unfortunately, knee injuries bbed him of much of the 90s.

[ajh18]

Patrick Ewing was a player you could build a legit title contender around, and I didn't even like his game that much. Today though, a team built around Ewing would threaten to take the East. In fact, replace Howard with Ewing in his prime and the Magic are in the finals right now.

Pau is a player that if you build around him, you get a borderline playoff team. He's good enough to be the centerpiece of a first-round exit team, and that's about it. That's not saying he's bad. Being a franchise-caliber player for a playoff team means you're damn good.

[resistanze]

This is almost akin to choosing between a prime David Robinson or Dwight Howard.

[DxB]

Sorta tough. Simlar players in a lot of ways. Good post game. Good jumpshot. Long. But mentally fragile at times.

Gasol is more skilled on offense, while Ewing is probably a better defensive anchor. So it really depends on your need.

I'd probably take Gasol more often than I would take Ewing though. Gasol is so ridiculously skilled in the post, its not even funny.

This.

[Leetonidas]

Sorta tough. Simlar players in a lot of ways. Good post game. Good jumpshot. Long. But mentally fragile at times.

Gasol is more skilled on offense, while Ewing is probably a better defensive anchor. So it really depends on your need.

I'd probably take Gasol more often than I would take Ewing though. Gasol is so ridiculously skilled in the post, its not even funny.

And that's why you're a fucking dumbass who doesn't know shit about basketball and thinks Dirk is a top PF all-time. :lmao

[Mel_13]

This can only be a difficult question for those too young to have seen Ewing play in his prime.

It's Ewing, and it's not really close.

[dirk4mvp]

Patrick Chewing, tbh.



And that's why you're a fucking dumbass who doesn't know shit about basketball and thinks Dirk is a top PF all-time. :lmao

He's a top 10 at his position. Your point?

[21_Blessings]

This can only be a difficult question for those too young to have seen Ewing play in his prime.

It's Ewing, and it's not really close.

This.

Ewing was a monster. He just happened to play in MJ/Hakeem's era. Prime Ewing would be unquestionably the best center in the game today.

[21_Blessings]

Over his failed padawan, Dwight

[z0sa]

Sorta tough. Simlar players in a lot of ways. Good post game. Good jumpshot. Long. But mentally fragile at times.

Gasol is more skilled on offense, while Ewing is probably a better defensive anchor. So it really depends on your need.

I'd probably take Gasol more often than I would take Ewing though. Gasol is so ridiculously skilled in the post, its not even funny.


lol you

[Phillip]

Ewing = better athlete
Gasol = more skilled

[J_Paco]

Ewing = better athlete
Gasol = more skilled


Please, Gasol's best season is an average one for Ewing. Ewing averaged 20+ ppg, 10+ rpg and 2+ bpg 9 straight times in his career. Ewing eclipsed 20 ppg 13 straight years in his career. Guess how many times Gasol has accomplished either of those feats? Zero. The only skill that Gasol trumps Ewing, and easily, is passing.

Gasol is going to go down as the most overrated second-fiddle on a championship team ever. Like Jamstone said, the guy is extremely good but not as great as people believe.

[TD 21]

It's funny how when a white ball player can wipe his ass without twisting his ankle, he becomes great. Ewing is a HOF'er, and well deserved. Pau is barely a fucking all-star.

I can't believe I'm saying it, but for once this retard is speaking the truth.

[TIMMYD!]

I can't believe I'm saying it, but for once this retard is speaking the truth.

I'm also agreeing with the retard. Ewing 100% of the time.

[xellos88330]

Ewing. It isn't even a contest.

[BUMP]

Laker Hate on this site is beyond ridiculous.

These same people calling Pau trash in one thread, will call him amazing in the next one in order to make Kobe look bad. Bunch of morons

[baseline bum]

As overrated as Ewing is, he's still better than Gasol.

[Agloco]

This can only be a difficult question for those too young to have seen Ewing play in his prime.

It's Ewing, and it's not really close.

This. Ewing all day, every day.

[Agloco]

This is almost akin to choosing between a prime David Robinson or Dwight Howard.

:lol

[phxspurfan]

Wow, Ewing all the way. Not even b/c I was a Knicks fan in teh 90s (stupid Rockettes).

Ewing made a team with a bunch of scrubs and John Starks into a championship contender every year. In the same conference as Shaq, Zo, Grandmama and MJ. Tehy were 2nd best in the league for about 5 years there, 2nd to only the best player/team of all time...

[The Franchise]

Ewing = better athlete
Gasol = more skilled

Wow.

[dirk4mvp]

Laker Hate on this site is beyond ridiculous.

These same people calling Pau trash in one thread, will call him amazing in the next one in order to make Kobe look bad. Bunch of morons

That goes the other way too.

[Kill Yourself]

Ewing = better athlete
Gasol = more skilled

[Bob Lanier]

Ewing is probably a better defensive anchor.:lol

[Bob Lanier]

calling Pau trash in one thread
Because worse than Patrick Ewing in his prime is trash? Worse than Patrick Ewing in his prime but better than Tim Duncan at the end of his career is a contradiction?

[jdev82]

Sorta tough. Simlar players in a lot of ways. Good post game. Good jumpshot. Long. But mentally fragile at times.

Gasol is more skilled on offense, while Ewing is probably a better defensive anchor. So it really depends on your need.

I'd probably take Gasol more often than I would take Ewing though. Gasol is so ridiculously skilled in the post, its not even funny.

patrick ewing was one of the best defenders ever. pau only started doing anything on d this year, and hes still not very effective. i want to know which 6 idiots voted for gasol

[phxspurfan]

patrick ewing was one of the best defenders ever. pau only started doing anything on d this year, and hes still not very effective. i want to know which 6 idiots voted for gasol

Gasol
Capt Bringdown, DAF86, EJFischer, ezau, Phillip, twhottt

[Edward]

Phillip is a cum bubbling homo, of course he'd vote for Gasol.

[BUMP]

That goes the other way too.

Yeah, but we already know LakerFan is retarded. Most of these SpurFans have a little common sense but the Laker hate just gets in the way when they know better.


OMG Kobe the rapist is absolutely nothing without Gasol. Collusion, collusion, collusion!!! Gasol is the real MVP!!!


Really?!?!?! We're actually comparing Ewing to a scrub like Gasol!?!? Ewing all day baby, its not even close! Pau is such a scrub!! Lakers are teh suck!!!

[ezau]

And that's why you're a fucking dumbass who doesn't know shit about basketball and thinks Dirk is a top PF all-time. :lmao

I don't understand why people underrate Dirk all the time. Just because he doesn't play a ton of defense doesn't mean he's a scrub. I firmly believe that he would have been just as good as he is today if he was playing in a different era.

[ezau]

patrick ewing was one of the best defenders ever. pau only started doing anything on d this year, and hes still not very effective. i want to know which 6 idiots voted for gasol

I voted Gasol, because the truth is, I was too young to remember Ewing's prime:lol Still, this thread is telling me a lot about how good/great he actually is. :toast

[MiamiHeat]

where's all the

"Ewing played in a weak era of shitty athletes, he wouldnt be as good nowadays"

?

oh right, thats only when it comes to MJ.

[Spursfan092120]

For those people whose mind is cluttered with garbage, saying Gasol is better...

qWhAtFQUhpo

[Vinnie_Johnson]

Well looks like we have 7 Lakers fans who don't know dick about basketball. Ewing by a mile.

[bdubya]

Even asking the question is an insult to Ewing.

[The Franchise]

This is like arguing prime Magic Johnson or prime Mark Jackson. Where the fuck is the debate?

[baseline bum]

For those people whose mind is cluttered with garbage, saying Gasol is better...

qWhAtFQUhpo

That video forgot the play where Pippen teabagged Ewing.

[pauls931]

Thank God Prime Ewing didn't play for Memphis.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

Who looks more like an Ostrage?

http://www.mytown.ie/images/gallery/IMG_7070.JPG http://halfmanhalfdog.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/pau-gasol2.jpg

[Bob Lanier]

How the hell do you find a picture of an ostrich without knowing how to spell ostrich?

[Bob Lanier]

where's all the

"Ewing played in a weak era of shitty athletes, he wouldnt be as good nowadays"

?

oh right, thats only when it comes to MJ.Yeah, because all positions are equally good during every era. So it naturally follows that because Jordan had essentially only one wing competitor at a time who didn't have serious holes in his game, Ewing faced only one competitive center at a time in his career, and because Bryant is faced with a number of star wings every season that Gasol also faces a Hall-of-Fame pivot every week.

Or could it be that the mid '90s were one of the most competitive times in league history for big men, while right now we have Yao, old Duncan, Howard, Gasol, and Andrew fucking Bogut? While, conversely, the Jordan craze of the '90s has led to a glut of imitators at the 2 and 3 this decade?

[ezau]

How the hell do you find a picture of an ostrich without knowing how to spell ostrich?

what the fuck is an Ostrage? :lmao:lmao

[Pelicans78]

Ewing would have destroyed Gasol down low. A healthy Ewing in his prime is easily better than Gasol.

[dallaskd]

Ewing is highly overrated, but still a mile ahead of Gasol.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

what the fuck is an Ostrage? :lmao:lmao

:lmao I sure screwed that one up, funny google new what i meant. lol

[MiamiHeat]

:lmao I sure screwed that one up, funny google new what i meant. lol

damn son, thats 2

that ganja burning your brain cells, ease up

[ezau]

damn son, thats 2

that ganja burning your brain cells, ease up

:lol Grammar Nazis on the loose

[z0sa]

damn son, thats 2

that ganja burning your brain cells, ease up

Is it even possible to kill brain cells?

Everything I've read states the myelin simply breaks down, slowing sensorimotor ability. That's not killing your neurons, so to speak.

[cobbler]

What would Miami know about brain cells? :lol

[dirk4mvp]

lol angelbelow

lol BruceBowenFan

lol Capt Bringdown

lol DAF86

lol Def Rowe

lol EJFischer

lol ezau

lol MiamiHeat

lol Phillip

lol twottt

[Muser]

Ewing was a monster.

[ezau]

lol angelbelow

lol BruceBowenFan

lol Capt Bringdown

lol DAF86

lol Def Rowe

lol EJFischer

lol ezau

lol MiamiHeat

lol Phillip

lol twottt

:depressed

[dirk4mvp]

:depressed

sup omar

[BadOdor]

Is it even possible to kill brain cells?

Everything I've read states the myelin simply breaks down, slowing sensorimotor ability. That's not killing your neurons, so to speak.

What about the stuff you read about creationism?

lol creationism.

[TDMVPDPOY]

For those people whose mind is cluttered with garbage, saying Gasol is better...

qWhAtFQUhpo

i wonder wheres the 3pt shot he hit only 1 all season on his first attempt for that season....

[MiamiHeat]

Ewing was a monster.

He was good, but not a monster. Shaq was a monster. Not Ewing.


Ewing's career FG%: 50%
Gasol's career FG% : 52%

Both shot 74% FT, tied.

Ewing's career PPG : 21
Gasol's career PPG : 19

^^^ HOWEVER....^^^

Ewing averaged 16.3 shots per game
Gasol averages 13.5 shots per game.

So Gasol averages only 2 less points than Ewing, even though he shoots 3 less shots per game than Ewing.

Ewing = 10 rbg, 2 apg, 2.4 blkpg
Gasol = 9 rbg, 3 apg, 1.7 blkpg


It's a lot more even than you think.

Of course, Gasol played in the shithole that is Memphis, instead of the New York fucking Knicks.

Now that he's on a big market team, All-Star appearances, and has a championship.

By the way, the lack of dominant big men in today's NBA isn't because the big men all suck. It's the rules. David Stern has turned the NBA into a perimeter players league to try to bring back some Jordan ratings.

Defensive 3 second violation, no more handcheck, no more body contacts.... this hurts big men and makes them sit out of the paint for fear of 3 second violations, and they can't challenge shots anymore due to whistles being called on every fucking play.

[Muser]

That dunk over Alonzo is just sick.

[Muser]

He was good, but not a monster. Shaq was a monster. Not Ewing.


Ewing's career FG%: 50%
Gasol's career FG% : 52%

Both shot 74% FT, tied.

Ewing's career PPG : 21
Gasol's career PPG : 19

^^^ HOWEVER....^^^

Ewing averaged 16.3 shots per game
Gasol averages 13.5 shots per game.

So Gasol averages only 2 less points than Ewing, even though he shoots 3 less shots per game than Ewing.

Ewing = 10 rbg, 2 apg, 2.4 blkpg
Gasol = 9 rbg, 3 apg, 1.7 blkpg


It's a lot more even than you think.

Of course, Gasol played in the shithole that is Memphis, instead of the New York fucking Knicks.

Now that he's on a big market team, All-Star appearances, and has a championship.

By the way, the lack of dominant big men in today's NBA isn't because the big men all suck. It's the rules. David Stern has turned the NBA into a perimeter players league to try to bring back some Jordan ratings.

Defensive 3 second violation, no more handcheck, no more body contacts.... this hurts big men and makes them sit out of the paint for fear of 3 second violations, and they can't challenge shots anymore due to whistles being called on every fucking play.


Ewing never had the second best Shooting Guard to ever play on his team, and he also took the Olajuwon Rockets to 7 games in 1994. Could Gasol really lead that Knicks team to 7 games against Houston?

[Muser]

Actually don't answer that, Gasol couldn't win a playoff game as the main guy so that was a dumb question.

[MiamiHeat]

Actually don't answer that, Gasol couldn't win a playoff game as the main guy so that was a dumb question.

Yeah, let's compare the Memphis Grizzlies roster to that Knicks roster.

Also, let's compare that Memphis Grizzlies roster vs the 06 Mavericks (went to Finals), the 05 Suns (WCF Finals), defending champion Spurs, etc.


LOL

You guys have a twisted view of reality. Jordan couldn't win a single game vs the Boston Celtics, 0-6, in 86 and 85 (i believe it was)

I guess he sucks too.

You need a team around you. Gasol had nobody on the Grizzlies. The fact that scrub team was even a playoff team for all those years is a credit to Gasol.

[Muser]

I'm pretty sure Patrick Ewing could win one fucking game with that Grizzlies team.

[MiamiHeat]

I'm pretty sure Patrick Ewing could win one fucking game with that Grizzlies team.

I'm pretty sure he fucking couldn't.

Have you actually taken a look at the Grizzlies rosters he had?

and then look at the teams that swept him?

[Muser]

Phoenix and Dallas, I highly doubt they both sweep a Ewing led team. I'm not saying Ewing is the GOAT, but he's better than Gasol.

[ezau]

sup omar

:rolleyes

[Bob Lanier]

I'm pretty sure Patrick Ewing could win one fucking game with that Grizzlies team.So could Gasol. He didn't. But he could. He couldn't, on the other hand, lead the '94 Knicks to beat the Pacers and most likely not the Bulls either. The Nets, sure, but they started Benoit Benjamin.

On the other hand, Patrick Ewing, whatever his flaws, was one of the best defensive players ever to lace 'em up; Gasol in his prime is a well-above-average but not great defender. And Ewing's a better scorer, though less skilled, but not a better rebounder and worse at passing. You cannot go to Gasol for 19 shots a game and get 27 points on 55% shooting. You cannot ask Gasol to anchor some of the best defenses the NBA has ever seen. Gasol's a fine player and he's got a chance of making the Hall of Fame someday, but he's not Ewing, overrated though he may have been.

[MiamiHeat]

Phoenix and Dallas, I highly doubt they both sweep a Ewing led team. I'm not saying Ewing is the GOAT, but he's better than Gasol.

Ewing can't do SHIT. He's good for 20-30 points on a good night. The end.

And quit overrating his defense. Ewing made the all-defensive team only 3 times in his 17 year career.

Ewing was not an all-world beater, here. He was good, but that's it. Heck, he only went to the Finals twice in his whole fucking career, and lost.

[MiamiHeat]

On the other hand, Patrick Ewing, whatever his flaws, was one of the best defensive players ever to lace 'em up;.

LOL

ok, are you guys even old enough to have seen Ewing play?

EWING NEVER WON A DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR, NEVER, NOT ONCE.

He only made the All-Defensive team 3 times, 3 times in 17 seasons. NO DPOY.

Get the fuck outta here

[MiamiHeat]

I know Ewing intimately, especially all those fucking years the HEAT had a rivalry with the Knicks.

You guys are so overrating him.....

[Muser]

Could Gasol take those Knicks to the finals?

[MiamiHeat]

Memphis Grizzlies Roster :

2004 vs defending champion San Antonio Spurs

Posey,J.Williams, Bonzi, Stromile, Miller, Battier, Outlaw, Wright, Watson etc
---------------------------------------------

2005 vs WCFinals Phoenix Suns

Posey,J.Williams, Bonzi, Stromile, Miller, Battier, Outlaw, Wright, Watson etc
----------------------------------------------

2006 vs NBA Finals Dallas Mavericks

Eddie Jones, Bobby Jackson, Miller, Battier, D. Stoudamire, Wright, Warrick etc

LOL

there is not ONE SINGLE 2nd option on those teams, it's just a bunch of role players and filler scrubs, some of them don't even play in the NBA anymore. 1 guy is in Europe, the others retired, Eddie Jones was a fossil by then,

the only guy there is Mike Miller. yeah, Gasol was supposed to beat the Suns, Spurs, or Mavs with him and Mike Miller.

GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE LOL

[Bob Lanier]

Ewing made the all-defensive team only 3 times in his 17 year career.
Not that that means anything, but I wonder just why the fuck that was.

Mark Eaton, Manute Bol
Hakeem Olajuwon, Eaton
Olajuwon, Patrick Ewing
Eaton, Ewing
Olajuwon, David Robinson
Robinson, Olajuwon
Robinson, Ewing
Olajuwon, Robinson
Olajuwon, Robinson
Robinson, Dikembe Mutombo
Robinson, Olajuwon
Mutombo, Olajuwon
Mutombo, Robinson
Alonzo Mourning, Mutombo
Mourning, Shaquille O'Neal

So during his entire tenure in New York he was beaten to the two center spots by Mark Eaton, Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson, Dikembe Mutombo, and Alonzo Mourning, and in his prime by Olajuwon and Robinson only. Nobody's claiming he was a better defender than any of those men, those two in particular. You can blame him for losing to Manute Bol during his rookie year and Shaq during his final season if you wish.

[MiamiHeat]

Could Gasol take those Knicks to the finals?

FUCK YEAH.

Pat Riley was coaching those 1994 Knicks.

and those Knicks had good role players like Charles Oakley, Anthony Mason, etc..

[MiamiHeat]

Not that that means anything, but I wonder just why the fuck that was.

Mark Eaton, Manute Bol
Hakeem Olajuwon, Eaton
Olajuwon, Patrick Ewing
Eaton, Ewing
Olajuwon, David Robinson
Robinson, Olajuwon
Robinson, Ewing
Olajuwon, Robinson
Olajuwon, Robinson
Robinson, Dikembe Mutombo
Robinson, Olajuwon
Mutombo, Olajuwon
Mutombo, Robinson
Alonzo Mourning, Mutombo
Mourning, Shaquille O'Neal

So during his entire tenure in New York he was beaten to the two center spots by Mark Eaton, Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson, Dikembe Mutombo, and Alonzo Mourning, and in his prime by Olajuwon and Robinson only. Nobody's claiming he was a better defender than any of those men, those two in particular. You can blame him for losing to Manute Bol during his rookie year and Shaq during his final season if you wish.

It's simple

Ewing was a great player, but you guys are not aware that he was not seen as this "all time nba" defensive player in his day.

[Bob Lanier]

Perhaps not in Miami.

[MiamiHeat]

Perhaps not in Miami.

Yeah, because I've seen a better defensive Center in Alonzo Mourning

[MiamiHeat]

oh, and I want to LOL at the people who bash Gasol for not being able to stop KG

Kevin Garnett is one of the greatest players at his position in NBA history. The man is a fucking beast since he entered the NBA. You will not shut him down, period.

Blaming Gasol for this is hilarious. People want Gasol to be shutting down Hall of Famers, and if he can't, bam, he's soft.

Such bullshit.

[Bob Lanier]

Which I did acknowledge. But if you were to list the ten best defensive centers in the history of the NBA, Ewing would be there. Below Mourning, but there.

[MiamiHeat]

Which I did acknowledge. But if you were to list the ten best defensive centers in the history of the NBA, Ewing would be there. Below Mourning, but there.

Ok, but the rules have changed.

Ewing's era rules are long gone. Big men are NOT ALLOWED to play Defense anymore.

There was no defensive 3-second violation in Ewing's era. He could camp the paint and clog the lane. You didn't have layup drills and dunk highlights every fucking game like you do now in 2010.

There was also a LOT MORE contact allowed back then

whereas today, ALMOST ANY FUCKING CONTACT = whistle.

Look at Gasol in Game 4, falling on his ass by himself, bam, whistle foul on Rasheed.

Ewing didn't have to experience that.

[MiamiHeat]

Memphis Grizzlies Roster :

2004 vs defending champion San Antonio Spurs

Posey,J.Williams, Bonzi, Stromile, Miller, Battier, Outlaw, Wright, Watson etc
---------------------------------------------

2005 vs WCFinals Phoenix Suns

Posey,J.Williams, Bonzi, Stromile, Miller, Battier, Outlaw, Wright, Watson etc
----------------------------------------------

2006 vs NBA Finals Dallas Mavericks

Eddie Jones, Bobby Jackson, Miller, Battier, D. Stoudamire, Wright, Warrick etc

LOL

there is not ONE SINGLE 2nd option on those teams, it's just a bunch of role players and filler scrubs, some of them don't even play in the NBA anymore. 1 guy is in Europe, the others retired, Eddie Jones was a fossil by then,

the only guy there is Mike Miller. yeah, Gasol was supposed to beat the Suns, Spurs, or Mavs with him and Mike Miller.

GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE LOL


and again, I want to requote this.

Someone please explain how Ewing or Gasol could beat the 04 Spurs, the 05 Suns, or the 06 Mavericks with those rosters.

[Muser]

Easy, because Ewing is a better player. Not saying he would win the series, but he could take on game.

[ezau]

Memphis Grizzlies Roster :

2004 vs defending champion San Antonio Spurs

Posey,J.Williams, Bonzi, Stromile, Miller, Battier, Outlaw, Wright, Watson etc
---------------------------------------------

2005 vs WCFinals Phoenix Suns

Posey,J.Williams, Bonzi, Stromile, Miller, Battier, Outlaw, Wright, Watson etc
----------------------------------------------

2006 vs NBA Finals Dallas Mavericks

Eddie Jones, Bobby Jackson, Miller, Battier, D. Stoudamire, Wright, Warrick etc

LOL

there is not ONE SINGLE 2nd option on those teams, it's just a bunch of role players and filler scrubs, some of them don't even play in the NBA anymore. 1 guy is in Europe, the others retired, Eddie Jones was a fossil by then,

the only guy there is Mike Miller. yeah, Gasol was supposed to beat the Suns, Spurs, or Mavs with him and Mike Miller.

GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE LOL

I think this is one part of Gasol's career that hasn't been highlighted. Though he will never be in the class of Duncan in his prime and perhaps even KG, it's really tough to win anything in the playoffs when you have scrubs like that. The reason why that Grizzlies team even made it to the playoffs is because of Hubie Brown.

However, I would still think that Ewing in that Grizzlies team would be able to pull off at least one game.

[Giuseppe]

.

Boiled down...

Gasol is a winner.

Ewing is a loser.

[baseline bum]

There was no defensive 3-second violation in Ewing's era. He could camp the paint and clog the lane.



The defensive 3-second violation was part of the illegal defense rules of the 80s and 90s.

[ezau]

Boiled down...

Gasol is a winner.

Ewing is a loser.

If a championship ring is a definition of being a winner then I think he is. Still, if Gasol had to face Jordan's Bulls in the playoffs year in, year out, I would not be surprised if he retires ringless just like Ewing.

[Muser]

And in the 05-06 season Memphis won 49 games, Gasol must of had some help to win 49 games..

[Giuseppe]

When resisted Ewing would take the baseline jumper time & time again. Had nothing to do with Jordan, and everything to do with his mental toughness.

Honestly though? Gasol ain't much better. Wallace has cleaned his clock, took his cookie, pushed him out a foot at a time, game-to-game. He's still inside the arc, but, barely.

[Muser]

He was so mentally weak that he took Olajuwon to 7 games!

[Giuseppe]

He was so mentally weak that he took Olajuwon to 7 games!

Thank you.

[MiamiHeat]

The defensive 3-second violation was part of the illegal defense rules of the 80s and 90s.

3 second defensive violation was instituted in 2001.

You are talking about Zone defenses.

That doesn't stop a team from playing 2-3, or 3-2, and having their big just stay near the rim, on the paint.

In today's NBA, you are in the paint, no defender within arms length = violation. This wasn't so in Ewing's era.

Go watch games from back then. You will see it.

Then watch games of today. All the Centers have to intentionally walk outside of the paint, on the sides, which leaves the lane wide open to a layup or dunk, making the Center have to run back and play catchup.

[MiamiHeat]

He was so mentally weak that he took Olajuwon to 7 games!


John Starks was the best 3 point shooter in the playoffs that year, for the Knicks.

Charles Oakley, you know him. Hard defender, rebounder. He led all players in the 1994 playoffs with offensive rebounds and was 2nd in total rebounds.

Derek Harper, Starks, and Oakley, 3 of the top 5 players in steals for the 94 playoffs.

Anthony Mason was also a solid role player.

Knicks had a solid team, coached by legendary Riley.

[MiamiHeat]

and how about we remember Patrick Ewing missing a LAYUP to help choke the series?

[Capt Bringdown]

Yeah, because I've seen a better defensive Center in Alonzo Mourning

Still remember the night the Admiral dropped 52 on his ass.

Both Mourning and Ewing are severely over-rated.

[JamStone]

John Starks was the best 3 point shooter in the playoffs that year, for the Knicks.

Charles Oakley, you know him. Hard defender, rebounder. He led all players in the 1994 playoffs with offensive rebounds and was 2nd in total rebounds.

Derek Harper, Starks, and Oakley, 3 of the top 5 players in steals for the 94 playoffs.

Anthony Mason was also a solid role player.

Knicks had a solid team, coached by legendary Riley.

35.6% from three point range is not really that great. Let's not pretend he was Steve Kerr out there.

Do you remember how great Starks' three point shooting was in game 7 of the NBA Finals that year?

[Giuseppe]

^And no more cussing and nastiness from Jammie either since the awarding of his medal.

You're adorable.

[Muser]

Olajuwon shot 50% against Ewing in that series. Can you imagine what he'd shoot on Pau?

[JamStone]

^And no more cussing and nastiness from Jammie either since the awarding of his medal.

You're adorable.

Your strange butthurtness over the medal thingy is adorable.

[Giuseppe]

Your strange butthurtness over the medal thingy is adorable.

Two different things, Jammie. Sure, I feel slighted not having such an august award, but, to see you, and now Harlem gettin' your Boy Scout on is certainly a hoot.

The Board Eunuchs. tee, hee.

What, you can't honestly see the humor in that, Jammie?

[JamStone]

Cully, I don't care about the medal. It was a nice gesture by whoever felt I deserved it. That's it. I didn't even vote in the thing. I didn't even know that it was coming until it showed up there. So it's whatever. I appreciate it but that's all it is. I didn't campaign for it. I didn't lobby for it.

And whatever large penis is up your ass regarding it is not my concern. You following me around to make mention about it is. Take that dildo out your ass because it's burning your culo even more than before you were banned.

You want one, go campaign for one. And how about start off by not spamming the entire boards with gross vaginas and other obscene pictures. Could start there.

You are quite the little annoyance. You are a mosquito. Go ask Kori to build you your own room where only you can post so you can jack off to pictures of medals you wish you had.

[HarlemHeat37]

Cully, I don't care about the medal. It was a nice gesture by whoever felt I deserved it. That's it. I didn't even vote in the thing. I didn't even know that it was coming until it showed up there. So it's whatever. I appreciate it but that's all it is. I didn't campaign for it. I didn't lobby for it.

And whatever large penis is up your ass regarding it is not my concern. You following me around to make mention about it is. Take that dildo out your ass because it's burning your culo even more than before you were banned.

You want one, go campaign for one. And how about start off by not spamming the entire boards with gross vaginas and other obscene pictures. Could start there.

You are quite the little annoyance. You are a mosquito. Go ask Kori to build you your own room where only you can post so you can jack off to pictures of medals you wish you had.

:wow:wow

[Giuseppe]

Cully, I don't care about the medal. It was a nice gesture by whoever felt I deserved it. That's it. I didn't even vote in the thing. I didn't even know that it was coming until it showed up there. So it's whatever. I appreciate it but that's all it is. I didn't campaign for it. I didn't lobby for it.

And whatever large penis is up your ass regarding it is not my concern. You following me around to make mention about it is. Take that dildo out your ass because it's burning your culo even more than before you were banned.

You want one, go campaign for one. And how about start off by not spamming the entire boards with gross vaginas and other obscene pictures. Could start there.

You are quite the little annoyance. You are a mosquito. Go ask Kori to build you your own room where only you can post so you can jack off to pictures of medals you wish you had.

lmcontrollinao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Giuseppe]

:wow:wow

Don't give me that :wow:wow happy horseshit, Harlem. You gonna grow your balls back like Jammie did, or, are you going to be all delicate & behaved, shinin' your medal 24/7?

tee, hee.

[Mavs_man_41]

lmcontrollinao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sorry brah you got owned, the "imcontrollinao" fallback can't help ya this time. you dropped the ball on that one, that was the time to fire back or get raped.

[Giuseppe]

sorry brah you got owned, the "imcontrollinao" fallback can't help ya this time. you dropped the ball on that one, that was the time to fire back or get raped.

Please.

[JamStone]

Spoken like the true ST gimp. You've earned your medal, son.

Wipe the shit off your lips. I didn't think even you would be a hype man for Cully.

But hey, since you were pretty much ghost after Thursday night, why not come back in and try to blast someone to try to avoid your ego-embarrassment of Thursday. I'd say I'm surprised only that it's pretty typical of you.

[Mavs_man_41]

Please.

you ain't got no troll game outside a couple shitty one liners. just an observation

[JamStone]

lmcontrollinao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You got what you wanted. There was some spit for the shine. Now go run to Kori and tell her to take my medal away because I used foul language. And go ask her to give it to you for being a good little tattle tale runt.

You're stooping down to new levels, Cully.

[Giuseppe]

You got what you wanted.

I know.

[Giuseppe]

you ain't got no troll game outside a couple shitty one liners. just an observation

Just shows to go ya.

[JamStone]

I know.

Me too. That's why I gave it to you.

I can be very benevolent at times.

You're welcome.

[HarlemHeat37]

God damn Culbear, you couldn't even get an honorable mention?..

Even namlook was mentioned..

[Giuseppe]

Me too. That's why I gave it to you.

I can be very benevolent at times.

You're welcome.

You coulda resisted me a little longer, Jammie.

------

You still don't even see the humor in it though. You were too busy trying to beat me to appreciate the moment. That's a true shame.

[Giuseppe]

God damn Culbear, you couldn't even get an honorable mention?..

Even namlook was mentioned..

I know. AZ Central had a "Poster of the Week" Award years ago. Never, not one f'in time did I receive it. I was blackballed from it.

Now this; Jammie & Harlem acting all high & mighty with their awards plastered on their moniker area for all to see.

Break my rice bowl, you cocknockers!

[JamStone]

Your issue is unjustifiable. My posts have had nothing to do with it. There is and was no moment to appreciate. Your issue is a Joseph Conrad fiction. There was no moment, no irony. Just your fiction.

In fact, had you not made an unhealthy habit of directing your bitchmadeness towards me, there still would have been no posts like that by me. I gave you a gift. That is something you don't seem to realize or appreciate. And still no thank you on your part.

Now run along and stop buzzing around my ear. Lady gaga thinks you're strange.

[Giuseppe]

Your issue is unjustifiable. My posts have had nothing to do with it. There is and was no moment to appreciate. Your issue is a Joseph Conrad fiction. There was no moment, no irony. Just your fiction.

In fact, had you not made an unhealthy habit of directing your bitchmadeness towards me, there still would have been no posts like that by me. I gave you a gift. That is something you don't seem to realize or appreciate. And still no thank you on your part.

Now run along and stop buzzing around my ear. Lady gaga thinks you're strange.

:rolleyes

[JamStone]

:rolleyes

From you, I'll take that as a curtsey and a polite exit.

It still would have been nice to read a thank you though.

[Mavs_man_41]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHH

He called you out boy!

[Giuseppe]

From you, I'll take that as a curtsey and a polite exit.

It still would have been nice to read a thank you though.

For what, ruining a hearty laugh, cuz yer too stove up to laugh at yourself?

Uh, uh.

[JamStone]

For what, ruining a hearty laugh, cuz yer too stove up to laugh at yourself?

Uh, uh.

Lol it's been a while since you actually trolled using regular English with no exclamation points or obscure references.

Is this how you cower?

Interesting to know. I'll put that in my data bank.

[jacobdrj]

Ewing wasn't an Alpha Dog on offense either... He was like Bynum's strength on defense plus MOST of Gasol's offense... If Ewing had ever had even a Penny Hardaway type player on his team to help him in the perimeter, he would have won a title...

[Giuseppe]

Lol it's been a while since you actually trolled using regular English with no exclamation points or obscure references.

Is this how you cower?

Interesting to know. I'll put that in my data bank.

:rolleyes

[JamStone]

tee, hee

[LakasRool4eva]

to be honest about it Ewing was over-rated..................Gasol is da best bigman in da L......plus Ewing never even won a 'ship and Gasol already has 1...............

gasol wins it

[Giuseppe]

tee, hee

Don't try charmin' me now, Jammie.

I came to bust your balls with the fondest of intentions, and you took the olive branch out of my hand and beat me like I've always wanted Lady Gaga to beat me, only you ain't Lady Gaga.

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't understand how people think Ewing was overrated..everybody acknowledge his weaknesses and failures..who is overrating him?..even NY fans and the NY media acknowledge his weaknesses..

[Giuseppe]

I don't understand how people think Ewing was overrated..everybody acknowledge his weaknesses and failures..who is overrating him?..even NY fans and the NY media acknowledge his weaknesses..& E=Mc2

Big shot with the award acting like that Jew Einstein.

[JamStone]

Don't try charmin' me now, Jammie.

I came to bust your balls with the fondest of intentions, and you took the olive branch out of my hand and beat me like I've always wanted Lady Gaga to beat me, only you ain't Lady Gaga.

Just because you put a couple of peanuts on a piece of shit, you can't call it a candy bar. Just because you say you had fond intentions, it doesn't make your silly little posts any less troll work.

And let's be honest, you'll take a beating and like it regardless of who administers it.

[Giuseppe]

And let's be honest, you'll take a beating and like it regardless of who administers it.

This is true, but, usually it takes the local gentry years to figure that out.

Bully, Jammie, bully for you.

[MiamiHeat]

35.6% from three point range is not really that great. Let's not pretend he was Steve Kerr out there.

Do you remember how great Starks' three point shooting was in game 7 of the NBA Finals that year?

Yes, Starks sucked in the game 7, but so did Ewing

remember the missed layup?

also, how about Game 6? Starks lit up the Rockets and scored like 15-20 points in the 4th quarter