Conference expansion/realignment thread

[coyotes_geek]

I have read in more than one place a&m dose not add any money to sec

darren rovel wrote about it a few times

If that were true, they wouldn't have invited A&M to join.

[NFO]

Here you go Techies. You are one step away from joining Aggy.

http://7.media.sportspickle.cvcdn.com/52/90/298f1b33f8ff476cc42cd75a5c9890ac.jpg
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[coyotes_geek]

^

:lol

That's pretty good.

[Axe Murderer]

If Tech joins the SEC i'll cum out of my butthole

[Fpoonsie]

If I fart, i'll cum out of my butthole

Getting the easy one outta tha way...

[Blake]

Have we been proved wrong on anything? We're still going to the SEC.

you 100% sure about that?

[Blake]

I'd bet the ranch that Tech doesn't go to the SEC.

the ranch isn't yours to bet if you still owe money on it.

[johngateswhiteley]

secondly, the UT/A&M rivalry means a hell of a lot more to A&M than it does to UT. UT isnt nearly as dependent on their rivalry game as teams like A&M and OU are. im pretty sure the real reason he states that is to point that exact fact out, that it does not hurt UT in the least bit to give up that annual rivalry.

how incredibly ignorant.

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how incredibly ignorant.

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[DesignatedT]

Those pictures might sting if I was a Southern Cal fan...

[Blake]

http://a.abcnews.com/images/Sports/ap_lance_matthew_070129_ssh.jpg

t-shirt Greats, tbh

[Sisk]

Armstrong is a t-shirt fan. McConaughey isn't.

[DMX7]

C'mon now, Matthew McConaughey is a pretty well known UT grad.

[Blake]

duly noted.

I guess it's more surprising that he's actually wearing a shirt.

[ChumpDumper]

Have we been proved wrong on anything? We're still going to the SEC. Texas and OU are staying in the big 12. The home schedule in Austin next year:

Wyoming
Iowa State
Missouri
Baylor


We're coming out pretty damn good. The SEC wants Texas A&M, primarily, for money. If you think the SEC presidents would vote in a school so their schools would get less, then I feel sorry for you.How much more money?

Surely some Aggie has twitted about it.

[Blake]

How much more money?

Surely some Aggie has twitted about it.


How much $ will the Aggies bring to the SEC?


$1,000,000,000/year

Sisk with the Aggie joke goods

[DMX7]

I guess it's more surprising that he's actually wearing a shirt.

That's a legitimate point; however it only reinforces the fact that he's not a t-shirt fan.

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Those pictures might sting if I was a Southern Cal fan...

JGW is, you stupid fucking aggie

[ThePop]

smh @ armstrong supporting a college football team from his home state. turrible

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Well now that Dan Beebe is out... whats next?

Rumors are that BYU, TCU, and Air Force are among teams being considered to add to the Big-12...

[Sisk]

Well now that Dan Beebe is out... whats next?

Rumors are that BYU, TCU, and Air Force are among teams being considered to add to the Big-12...

More importantly - have you planned on purchasing your season tickets next year? Check out this amazing home lineup your horns have.

Wyoming
Iowa St.
Baylor
Missouri

:wow

[DMX7]

At Texas, Texas is the draw, not the opponent. The effect on attendance will be negligible. Besides, Baylor (if only because of proximity) and Missouri are actually decent draws. The non-conference schedule needs to be improved. USC, Notre Dame and others are coming up though.

[NFO]

WSJ chimes in... Link (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903703604576584771531621708.html)

Realignment Can't Make You Smarter
As Schools Jockey for New Conference Berths, Academics Play an Ambiguous Role; Texas Tech Is No. 160
By KEVIN HELLIKER

Oklahoma has the top-ranked team in college football. But its academic standing is, by some standards, abysmal.

The school can't be found among the nation's top 100 universities in the annual U.S. News & World Report rankings. In the rankings that many academicians take most seriously - federal research expenditures - Oklahoma isn't among the top 150 universities. Nor does it belong to the Association of American Universities, an elite group of 61 research institutions.

So here's a question: when it comes to college football's current conference realignment drama, in which schools like Oklahoma have been exploring their options, how much do academics matter?...

Quote:
...Until this year, every member of the Big Ten belonged to the AAU, the Ivy League of American research universities. Only after accepting an offer to join the Big Ten did its newest member, Nebraska, get booted out of the AAU on grounds that its level of competitive grant-getting no longer reached elite status. Nebraska argued that the AAU unfairly devalued its agricultural research dollars. Not merely an athletic conference, the Big Ten decades ago created a research cooperative linking member libraries, course materials and research missions. "On our campuses you'll find more Nobel laureates than Heisman Trophy winners," said Barbara McFadden Allen, executive director of the cooperative, called the Committee on Institutional Cooperation. She said academic stature invariably figures into expansion conversations. (The University of Chicago belongs to the CIC but pulled out of the Big Ten in 1946)

Quote:
The major conference with a relatively low academic ranking that isn't concerned about membership is the SEC, which recently added Texas A&M.

Quote:
...If academics were paramount, it's fair to assume Texas - No. 45 according to U.S. News - might leave the Big 12, which has limited scholarly distinction. One possible reason it hasn't: political pressure to drag along Texas Tech, an in-state rival that U.S. News ranks No. 160...

[Sisk]

At Texas, Texas is the draw, not the opponent. The effect on attendance will be negligible. Besides, Baylor (if only because of proximity) and Missouri are actually decent draws. The non-conference schedule needs to be improved. USC, Notre Dame and others are coming up though.

So a Texas game vs. Notre Dame pulls the same interest as a game vs. Iowa State?

[ChumpDumper]

So a Texas game vs. Notre Dame pulls the same interest as a game vs. Iowa State?Attendance at the stadium? Absolutely.

[ChumpDumper]

Wyoming vs #5 Texas (Sep 11, 2010 at Austin, Texas)

Wyoming (1-1) vs. Texas (2-0)

Date: Sep 11, 2010 • Site: Austin, Texas • Stadium: Royal-Texas Memorial • Attendance: 101339

http://www.texassports.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2010-2011/ut2.html

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Attendance at the stadium? Absolutely.

rofl

[NFO]

Fake Dan Beebe is taking unemployment pretty hard.

Link (http://twitter.com/#!/DanBeebe)

[DMX7]

Going out in a blaze of glory.

[DMX7]

"TEXAS A&M YELL LEADERS ARE BECAUSE AGGIE IS SCARED OF WOMEN SO CONGRATULATIONS FOR BRINGING SAUDI ARABIAN CULTURE TO AMERICA YOU INBREDS"

"I MEAN TEXAS A&M STUDENTS ARE THE KIND OF WEIRD WHERE YOU DON'T LEAVE THEM IN THE SAME ROOM AS HOUSE PETS UNATTENDED"

-Fake Dan Beebe

[DesignatedT]

Lol there is like a million insults to every school in the big12 on his twitter and you felt necessary to post the 2 about A&M?

:lol "Texas doesn't care about A&M"

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:cry Lol there :cry is like a million insults to every school in the big12 on his :crytwitter and :cry you felt necessary :cryto post the 2 about A&M?:cry:cry:cry


what a complete fucking faggot, this guy

[DMX7]

:lol

[DesignatedT]

You really got me there....

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:cryYou really got :cryme there...:cry:cry

i thought i did

[johngateswhiteley]

JGW is, you stupid fucking aggie

USC won that game.

[NFO]

"I will bring my experience as a conference leader ... in taking the Big 12 to the next level of success as from a competitive and financial standpoint"
-- Dan Beebe, Sept 5, 2007, at the press conference announcing his appointment as Big XII commissioner

Well done, Dan. Well done.

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USC won that game.

they won by scoring 38 points, and their opponent scoring 41?

[johngateswhiteley]

they won by scoring 38 points, and their opponent scoring 41?

pretty much...

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pretty much...

sad thing is, with you being an aggie, its 100% impossible to tell whether you are joking or serious.

[Brad2217]

You have to explain yourself to these Aggies. He is saying it's hard to tell because you are a dumbass, an ignorant mother fucker.

[pkbpkb81]

You have to explain yourself to these Aggies. He is saying it's hard to tell because you are a dumbass, an ignorant mother fucker.

Wow man you’re a little over the top, it was funnier when the jokes where antagonistic and less crud, next time you want to post just remember less is more


Thanks,
Have a great day

p.s your a faggot horns fan

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rofl

[pkbpkb81]

lol at me for saying you a, should be your a

[leemajors]

lol at me for saying you a, should be your a

you're tbh

[ChumpDumper]

lol crud

[pkbpkb81]

That’s what happens when I'm fucking around on a message board during work

fail

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http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/2011/09/22/realignmentality/

interesting stuff

[Brad2217]

Wow man you’re a little over the top, it was funnier when the jokes where antagonistic and less crud, next time you want to post just remember less is more


Thanks,
Have a great day

p.s your a faggot horns fan

[Blake]

USC won that game.

Even if they had, the NCAA would have taken it away from them because of Reggie.

[johngateswhiteley]

Even if they had, the NCAA would have taken it away from them because of Reggie.

thats true. but those maneuvers never mean much.

[Blake]

thats true. but those maneuvers never mean much.

either way, it ended up being lose-lose for USC.

[NFO]

Emmert: More realignment possible (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7994476/ncaa-president-mark-emmert-proposed-playoff-spark-more-realignment)

Could be an interesting summer for some FBS schools.

[Sisk]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-08/sports/os-florida-state-big-12-eric-barron-0608-20120608_1_eric-barron-acc-president-barron

FSU might stay put instead

[coyotes_geek]

Notre Dame joining ACC (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8369070/sources-notre-dame-football-acc)
Notre Dame will join the Atlantic Coast Conference as a full member with the exception of football, but will play five football games annually against ACC teams.

"We have monitored the changing conference landscape for many months and have concluded that moving to the ACC is the best course of action for us," said Jack Swarbrick, Notre Dame vice president and director of athletics, in a statement released by the conference. "We are able to maintain our historic independence in football, join in the ACC's non-BCS bowl package, and provide a new and extremely competitive home for our other sports."

Not a good day for the Big10.

[coyotes_geek]

In addition to Notre Dame’s entrance, conference commissioners voted to raise the ACC’s exit fees to $50 million.

http://www.foxsportscarolinas.com/09/12/12/Notre-Dame-to-become-ACCs-15th-member/landing_acc.html?blockID=789039&feedID=3737

Not a good day for the Big 12 either.

[DesignatedT]

lol

[DesignatedT]

but will play five football games annually against ACC teams.

This is big

[coyotes_geek]

Yep. 5 ACC games + USC + however many cupcake games doesn't leave much room on the schedule for Big 10 teams.

[djohn2oo8]

Not a good day for the Big 12 either.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/college-sports/headlines/20120907-big-12-announces-landmark-2.6b-tv-deal.ece

Im sure they'll manage.

[Sisk]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/college-sports/headlines/20120907-big-12-announces-landmark-2.6b-tv-deal.ece

Im sure they'll manage.

Would have been more with Notre Dame. Obviously.

[DesignatedT]

Weren't Texas and Notre Dame supposed to start playing on Thanksgiving? :lmao

[coyotes_geek]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/college-sports/headlines/20120907-big-12-announces-landmark-2.6b-tv-deal.ece

Im sure they'll manage.

They'll manage. They just don't have a very exciting list of expansion options anymore.

[DesignatedT]

Looks like all the major conferences are pretty stable right now. ACC implementing a $50M exit fee? :wow

If the Big12 still wants to expand it's going to have to go to the big east or some other shitty conference to do it.

[djohn2oo8]

Weren't Texas and Notre Dame supposed to start playing on Thanksgiving? :lmao

:lol TCU was the shoe in to replace A&M on Thanksgiving when it was announced they were joining.

:lol Thinking the Big XII would collapse after Aggie left
:lol Begging to play Texas on Thanksgiving after they left

[DesignatedT]

Begging to play Texas on Thanksgiving after they left


lol please. We offered to play, you turned it down we said okay. End of story. A&M/LSU will start soon enough on that date.

[coyotes_geek]

Looks like all the major conferences are pretty stable right now. ACC implementing a $50M exit fee? :wow

If the Big12 still wants to expand it's going to have to go to the big east or some other shitty conference to do it.

I'd think so. ND plus the exit fee pretty much ensures the ACC's survival. SEC wasn't going to expand again unless they could get into NC/VA so they'll sit tight at 14. With ND no longer on the table the Big10 has no incentive to do anything. Pac 12 won't do anything unless Texas gives up on the Big12. Only real mystery is whether the Big12 is content to be the lone BCS conference without a conf champ game or whether they'll feel the need to add a couple Big East / Conference USA schools.

[DesignatedT]

Pretty much.

All the major movement should come to a halt now.

[djohn2oo8]

lol please. We offered to play, you turned it down we said okay. End of story. A&M/LSU will start soon enough on that date.

They wanted to continue the game as long as they weren't in the same Conference as Texas so they could try to boast SEC tradition. No worries though, they'll soon have multiple daddies instead of one.

[DesignatedT]

Cool.

[Sisk]

They wanted to continue the game as long as they weren't in the same Conference as Texas so they could try to boast SEC tradition. No worries though, they'll soon have multiple daddies instead of one.

Lol "big 12 is getting ND"

[djohn2oo8]

Lol "big 12 is getting ND"

lol find where I said that

[coyotes_geek]

Lol "big 12 is getting ND"

Don't forget clemson and florida state too.

[Sisk]

Don't forget clemson and florida state too.

Sorry about that. I think they're adding the Dallas Cowboys too

[leemajors]

Sorry about that. I think they're adding the Dallas Cowboys too

Long term plan to groom UTSA tbh.

[Blake]

Not a good day for the Big 12 either.

Not a bad day either.

Just a bit disappointing.

[Blake]

:lol TCU was the shoe in to replace A&M on Thanksgiving when it was announced they were joining.


Tech

[NFO]

Not a good day for the Big10.

Doesn't really change anything for the Big 10.

Doesn't change $$ from the network and all ND did was move their Olympic sports from one crappy conference to another. So they will play 5 games against ACC foes. A similar agreement was promised to the Big East and then ND gradually got away from that.

Will be curious to see if the ACC will try to add another conference memeber and try to bring in ND for all sports for a 16 team conference though.

[Blake]

Tech

Supposedly...

[coyotes_geek]

Doesn't really change anything for the Big 10.

Doesn't change $$ from the network and all ND did was move their Olympic sports from one crappy conference to another. So they will play 5 games against ACC foes. A similar agreement was promised to the Big East and then ND gradually got away from that.

Will be curious to see if the ACC will try to add another conference memeber and try to bring in ND for all sports for a 16 team conference though.

Doesn't change anything today, but does take away the Big10's best expansion target for the future.

[NFO]

Doesn't change anything today, but does take away the Big10's best expansion target for the future.

True, but ND to the Big 10 was only going to happen if the 16 team mega conferences happened and even then it was not guaranteed.

ND was not going to willingly join the Big 10 and give up their "independence".

[Homeland Security]

True, but ND to the Big 10 was only going to happen if the 16 team mega conferences happened and even then it was not guaranteed.

ND was not going to willingly join the Big 10 and give up their "independence".
But they apparently were willing, if not to join, to affiliate with the ACC in football and limit their "independence."

B1G didn't need Notre Dame anyway. If you've seen one laughably overrated Midwestern football program you've seen them all.

[DesignatedT]

http://outkickthecoverage.com/notre-dame-to-acc-for-five-games-what-now.php

good article explaining everything up to this point.

[ChumpDumper]

http://outkickthecoverage.com/notre-dame-to-acc-for-five-games-what-now.php

good article explaining everything up to this point.UT to the ACC?

Why?

[DesignatedT]

Doesn't say that that's going to happen. Says it's the ACCs dream scenario and that Texas is still the piece that has options and any real serious expansion is now centered around them. If they decide to stay in the big12 with ten teams and be the only major conference without a championship game then that should be the end of any major re-alignment at least for the foreseeable future.

SEC,PAC,ACC,B1G are all done for now and the BIG12 has no options that will bring in the kind of $ they need. They are stuck at 10 teams.

[ChumpDumper]

Doesn't say that that's going to happen. Says it's the ACCs dream scenario and that Texas is still the piece that has options and any real serious expansion is now centered around them. If they decide to stay in the big12 with ten teams and be the only major conference without a championship game then that should be the end of any major re-alignment at least for the foreseeable future.

SEC,PAC,ACC,B1G are all done for now and the BIG12 has no options that will bring in the kind of $ they need. They are stuck at 10 teams.Eh, if UT ever wanted in another conference, all it would have to do is ask.

[DesignatedT]

Be a little more complicated than that but nice to see the arrogance is still there.

They'd have to drop their network.

[ChumpDumper]

Be a little more complicated than that but nice to see the arrogance is still there.Just recognition. Not a UT fan. They are simply without a doubt the most attractive school out there that could possibly be in play.


They'd have to drop their network.Depends on where they wanted to go.

[DesignatedT]

There's a few reasons why this will never happen but I don't see the B1G or SEC really even considering accepting Texas as a member and with the stipulations these conferences would require I don't think Texas would ever be interested in return tbh.

Sure if Texas wanted to go to the Pac or ACC they can go any time they want.

[ChumpDumper]

There's a few reasons why this will never happen but I don't see the B1G or SEC really even considering accepting Texas as a member and with the stipulations these conferences would require I don't think Texas would ever be interested in return tbh.

Sure if Texas wanted to go to the Pac or ACC they can go any time they want.The only real reason for UT to join any other conference would be to make more money. If it had to give up its network for that, it would.

And UT would be welcome anywhere. It's just that big a player.

[DesignatedT]

And UT would be welcome anywhere. It's just that big a player.


It's retarded to keep saying this because you make it seem like everybody wants them just as they are which is untrue.

In that article he actually makes a nice case if Texas were to go Notre Dames route. Join the ACC in everything but football, play 5 games against them and then Dodds has 7 games a year he can mess with on his Longhorn network without any conference restrictions. That has to seem appealing to him but I agree that it doesn't happen.

[ChumpDumper]

It's retarded to keep saying this because you make it seem like everybody wants them just as they are which is untrue.They aren't available. I'm simply assuming conferences aren't run by complete idiots. What would be the downside for any conference looking to expand if UT was motivated by money to join on equal terms?


In that article he actually makes a nice case if Texas were to go Notre Dames route. Join the ACC in everything but football, play 5 games against them and then Dodds has 7 games a year he can mess with on his Longhorn network without any conference restrictions. That has to seem appealing to him but I agree that it doesn't happen.Would that mean any more money for UT than it currently gets? That's really all that would matter at this point.

All this talk of movement is moot until we know what the playoff format looks like and means to conferences.

[djohn2oo8]

It's retarded to keep saying this because you make it seem like everybody wants them just as they are which is untrue.

In that article he actually makes a nice case if Texas were to go Notre Dames route. Join the ACC in everything but football, play 5 games against them and then Dodds has 7 games a year he can mess with on his Longhorn network without any conference restrictions. That has to seem appealing to him but I agree that it doesn't happen.

:lol Acting as if Texas couldn't go anywhere they wanted.

[ChumpDumper]

And really, I have to say that conference championship games are dumb for teams that want to go to a national championship game. If you've done well enough in the regular season, why risk the L? Seems worth paying $1 million to not have to play tbh.

Conference USA championship game? Hell yes. We have to find out who gets to go to the Beef 'O' Brady's Bowl.

[DesignatedT]

:lol Acting as if Texas couldn't go anywhere they wanted.

Currently, as of today. No they couldn't go anywhere they wanted. A lot of things would have to change (which aren't going to so it's pointless that we are talking about it) before a conference like the B1G or SEC would feel comfortable accepting conference killer Texas.

[DesignatedT]

And really, I have to say that conference championship games are dumb for teams that want to go to a national championship game. If you've done well enough in the regular season, why risk the L? Seems worth paying $1 million to not have to play tbh.

Conference USA championship game? Hell yes. We have to find out who gets to go to the Beef 'O' Brady's Bowl.

Obviously that SEC championship game has definitely hurt them trying to win an MNC. Wait..


It could go the other way though. Stuck at 3 but you have a conference championship game and #2 doesn't. You win you get in the game.

[coyotes_geek]

With Texas it's all about "on whose terms?"

On the conference's terms, Texas can get in to any conference it wants. Yes, this includes the SEC.

On Texas' terms, their options are pretty much limited to the Big 12, independence and possibly the ACC.

Of course the whole conversation is purely academic until Texas has it's 1st & 2nd tier broadcast rights back because nobody's taking Texas without those. Along those lines, I'm curious how iron clad that grant of rights agreement really is. For the time being it certainly looks like Baylor, Iowa State, the Kansaii and others were successful in getting Texas to agree to handucuff itself to them, but I've got to believe that Texas has a key stashed away somewhere.......

[Blake]

It could go the other way though. Stuck at 3 but you have a conference championship game and #2 doesn't. You win you get in the game.

a conference championship game is a much bigger gamble to play in than not.

[Blake]

With Texas it's all about "on whose terms?"

On the conference's terms, Texas can get in to any conference it wants. Yes, this includes the SEC.

On Texas' terms, their options are pretty much limited to the Big 12, independence and possibly the ACC.

Of course the whole conversation is purely academic until Texas has it's 1st & 2nd tier broadcast rights back because nobody's taking Texas without those. Along those lines, I'm curious how iron clad that grant of rights agreement really is. For the time being it certainly looks like Baylor, Iowa State, the Kansaii and others were successful in getting Texas to agree to handucuff itself to them, but I've got to believe that Texas has a key stashed away somewhere.......

lol kansaii

[DesignatedT]

Of course the whole conversation is purely academic until Texas has it's 1st & 2nd tier broadcast rights back because nobody's taking Texas without those. Along those lines, I'm curious how iron clad that grant of rights agreement really is. For the time being it certainly looks like Baylor, Iowa State, the Kansaii and others were successful in getting Texas to agree to handucuff itself to them, but I've got to believe that Texas has a key stashed away somewhere.......


exactly.

[DesignatedT]

a conference championship game is a much bigger gamble to play in than not.

With a 4 team playoff being adopted you are probably right. Although the SEC just showed that they could get 2 teams in the playoff while still playing a championship game.

[Clipper Nation]

We all know Texas will be in the PAC-16 soon enough with Boise and the Oklahoma schools, tbh...

[Sisk]

We all know Texas will be in the PAC-16 soon enough with Boise and the Oklahoma schools, tbh...

Boise :lmao

[Clipper Nation]

Boise :lmao

Why not? The SEC took Aggie after all, so anything is possible, tbh....

[djohn2oo8]

Why not? The SEC took Aggie after all, so anything is possible, tbh....

Football reasons aka recruiting :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Obviously that SEC championship game has definitely hurt them trying to win an MNC. Wait.Look, I know your existence currently depends on vicarious victories of other SEC schools, but it can certainly needlessly complicate the playoff picture if one of the teams has a very bad day.

As for some shitty team moving up because of a good championship game -- don't really see its happening.

[ChumpDumper]

With Texas it's all about "on whose terms?"

On the conference's terms, Texas can get in to any conference it wants. Yes, this includes the SEC.

On Texas' terms, their options are pretty much limited to the Big 12, independence and possibly the ACC.The terms are making the most money. If Texas thinks it needs the socialistic distribution system of the SEC, it will adopt it.


Of course the whole conversation is purely academic until Texas has it's 1st & 2nd tier broadcast rights back because nobody's taking Texas without those. Along those lines, I'm curious how iron clad that grant of rights agreement really is. For the time being it certainly looks like Baylor, Iowa State, the Kansaii and others were successful in getting Texas to agree to handucuff itself to them, but I've got to believe that Texas has a key stashed away somewhere.......Seeing as much money as they make now and during this contract period, I don't see anyone passing them up in the money department or their being able to make much more money elsewhere. They got pretty much everything they wanted and any playoff system is going to include a route in for them.

Because they are Texas.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

There's no way the Pac-12 is gonna add Boise. The last thing the Pac needs is another school that brings little to no additional TV markets and a school that sucks at basketball. If the Pac adds more schools they should be schools that help get Pac-12 basketball off of the life support its been on for 3 years now. That's why they wanna get OU without getting OSU.

[Clipper Nation]

Football reasons aka recruiting :lol

By that logic, they should have added Rice instead.... similarly shitty team, but they could get them Texas recruits AND look slightly better academically as a conference, tbh....

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

By that logic, they should have added Rice instead.... similarly shitty team, but they could get them Texas recruits AND look slightly better academically as a conference, tbh....
That's why the Pac reportedly has had interest in Rice over much better athletic schools. It opens up recruiting in the Houston area and improves the conference academically.

[djohn2oo8]

By that logic, they should have added Rice instead.... similarly shitty team, but they could get them Texas recruits AND look slightly better academically as a conference, tbh....

The SEC obviously does not pride themselves on Academics. :lol

[Clipper Nation]

There's no way the Pac-12 is gonna add Boise. The last thing the Pac needs is another school that brings little to no additional TV markets and a school that sucks at basketball.
Presumably, if/when the PAC expands to 16, the first invites will go out to TU, OU, and Okie Lite.... but then, there's not many reasonable options left to fill out that 16th spot, tbh....

I highly doubt they'd take the likes of Hawai'i, Fresno State, or SDSU, and BYU is off the table for any major conference for their stance against playing on Sundays... That leaves Boise State, who happens to be really good at THE biggest money-making sport in college athletics and already competes in the conference in wrestling, or some shittier program that doesn't make sense geographically....


If the Pac adds more schools they should be schools that help get Pac-12 basketball off of the life support its been on for 3 years now.
College football drives all realignment though, as it brings in most of the money... basketball will always be a secondary concern, and Texas and Okie Lite have historically decent hoops programs anyway...

[Clipper Nation]

The SEC obviously does not pride themselves on Academics. :lol

Hey, Vandy needs SOME competition on the SEC quiz bowl circuit, tbh... :lol

[djohn2oo8]

Hey, Vandy needs SOME competition on the SEC quiz bowl circuit, tbh... :lol

Not when the average SEC fan looks like this :lol
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg249/williammcduffy/unclemcduff.jpg

[coyotes_geek]

The terms are making the most money. If Texas thinks it needs the socialistic distribution system of the SEC, it will adopt it.

Seeing as much money as they make now and during this contract period, I don't see anyone passing them up in the money department or their being able to make much more money elsewhere. They got pretty much everything they wanted and any playoff system is going to include a route in for them.

Because they are Texas.

Agree on both.

[coyotes_geek]

We all know Texas will be in the PAC-16 soon enough with Boise and the Oklahoma schools, tbh...

Replace Boise with Tech and you've got a plausible scenario.

[Clipper Nation]

Replace Boise with Tech and you've got a plausible scenario.

So let me get this straight: Boise State isn't plausible because of "academics," "bad basketball program" and "small market size," but Texas Tech - a non-AAU university in freaking Lubbock, Texas that sucks balls at both revenue sports - is somehow more plausible?

[Blake]

So let me get this straight: Boise State isn't plausible because of "academics," "bad basketball program" and "small market size," but Texas Tech - a non-AAU university in freaking Lubbock, Texas that sucks balls at both revenue sports - is somehow more plausible?

UT won't be going any where without lilbro.

Hell, it might not go anywhere without Baylor.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Presumably, if/when the PAC expands to 16, the first invites will go out to TU, OU, and Okie Lite.... but then, there's not many reasonable options left to fill out that 16th spot, tbh....
The Pac doesn't want Okie lite. What held things up the last time a Pac-16 was being discussed was the fact we wanted OU without having to take OSU. This has been evident for awhile now.


I highly doubt they'd take the likes of Hawai'i, Fresno State, or SDSU, and BYU is off the table for any major conference for their stance against playing on Sundays... That leaves Boise State, who happens to be really good at THE biggest money-making sport in college athletics and already competes in the conference in wrestling, or some shittier program that doesn't make sense geographically....
:lmao wrestling

The day OU and UT go to the Pac is the day the Big-12 completely folds up or becomes a shitty conference. One of two things would happen, politics would force the Pac to take Tech and OSU with OU and UT as the other two teams, or the Pac would have its choice of 2 schools from what would be a Big-12 ready to die. The Pac would take a school like Kansas way before it takes Boise State.



College football drives all realignment though, as it brings in most of the money... basketball will always be a secondary concern, and Texas and Okie Lite have historically decent hoops programs anyway...
Money drives realignment and Boise State won't bring in any more money. It's not much of an added TV market at all and it doesn't open up any major recruiting pipelines.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So let me get this straight: Boise State isn't plausible because of "academics," "bad basketball program" and "small market size," but Texas Tech - a non-AAU university in freaking Lubbock, Texas that sucks balls at both revenue sports - is somehow more plausible?
There aren't any public officials that would force the Pac to take Boise State if they take UT, so yeah Tech is a lot more plausible. No one said the Pac wants Tech.

[coyotes_geek]

So let me get this straight: Boise State isn't plausible because of "academics," "bad basketball program" and "small market size," but Texas Tech - a non-AAU university in freaking Lubbock, Texas that sucks balls at both revenue sports - is somehow more plausible?

No. Boise State isn't plausible because they're in Boise. Tech is still in Texas, barely, and Texas/OU/Okstate would all rather have a 3rd rival in their geographic vicinity than only two plus one 1,000-something miles away.

[Clipper Nation]

No. Boise State isn't plausible because they're in Boise. Tech is still in Texas, barely, and Texas/OU/Okstate would all rather have a 3rd rival in their geographic vicinity than only two plus one 1,000-something miles away.

Boise is the 112th-ranked market in America... Lubbock is ranked 143rd....

[coyotes_geek]

Boise is the 112th-ranked market in America... Lubbock is ranked 143rd....

Lubbock = In Texas.

Boise = Not in Texas.

Schools who would prefer to play an extra game in Texas every other year as opposed to having to travel to Boise = Texas, OU, OK State.

Conferences who don't care one way or the other about Boise or Lubbock and would be content to let Texas pick who they want = Pac 12.

[Clipper Nation]

If Texas and the Oklahoma schools want to play in Lubbock so bad in that scenario, instead of scheduling another FCS cupcake, they could add Texas Tech to their OOC schedules....

[ChumpDumper]

If Texas and the Oklahoma schools want to play in Lubbock so bad in that scenario, instead of scheduling another FCS cupcake, they could add Texas Tech to their OOC schedules....So what faction of the Texas legislature would actively work for Boise State to join the PAC with UT?

Just trying to see how this would work out.

[coyotes_geek]

If Texas and the Oklahoma schools want to play in Lubbock so bad in that scenario, instead of scheduling another FCS cupcake, they could add Texas Tech to their OOC schedules....

Or they could just take Tech along with them, keep all their cupcakes, avoid a 1500+ mile road trip every other year and not waste any time concerning themselves with Boise State's well being.

[Clipper Nation]

Huh? It'd be the PAC inviting the schools, why would TU and the Oklahoma schools have to care about any other school's wellbeing?

[Vito Corleone]

I'm hearing that the ACC football schools are not too happy with what was given to ND to bring them in. I have a feeling that you might see FSU and a few others make a move out of the ACC before the 50 million buyout kicks in.

This was clearly a move made by the basketball schools to again hang out to dry the football schools.

[ChumpDumper]

Huh? It'd be the PAC inviting the schools, why would TU and the Oklahoma schools have to care about any other school's wellbeing?Maybe they shouldn't, but they are much more likely to be made to care about the well being of other state schools in their respective states. It has already happened.

Is any of this getting through to you?

[Clipper Nation]

Maybe they shouldn't, but they are much more likely to be made to care about the well being of other state schools in their respective states. It has already happened.

Is any of this getting through to you?

Well, considering how during the collapse of the SWC, the other Texas schools left Houston, SMU, TCU and Rice behind, and Ann Richards had to step in to stop them from leaving behind Baylor, and nobody cared about Aggie leaving behind TU this year, I have a hard time believing that TU would give two shits about Texas Tech's future, tbh....

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Huh? It'd be the PAC inviting the schools, why would TU and the Oklahoma schools have to care about any other school's wellbeing?
I hope you're deliberately being obtuse right now.

[Clipper Nation]

So, let me get this straight: TU has proven over the years that they don't give two shits about what happens to TCU, Houston, SMU, Rice, Baylor, or Aggie, but suddenly they're going to drop everything and care deeply about Texas freaking Tech?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So, let me get this straight: TU has proven over the years that they don't give two shits about what happens to TCU, Houston, SMU, Rice, Baylor, or Aggie, but suddenly they're going to drop everything and care deeply about Texas freaking Tech?
No.

They're going to pretend to care about Tech because public officials in Texas will force them to. Everyone knows UT doesn't genuinly give a shit about Tech. Same reason why OU is gonna pretend like they and OSU are a package deal even though they don't give two shits about OSU and would gladly go wherever without them. Politics.

[Clipper Nation]

Why didn't the Texas government force TU to care about TCU, Houston, SMU, Rice, or Aggie? The only time they've stepped in on behalf of another Texas school was for Baylor, and that was ONLY because Ann Richards was a Baylor alum....

[coyotes_geek]

Huh? It'd be the PAC inviting the schools, why would TU and the Oklahoma schools have to care about any other school's wellbeing?

It's not about caring about someone else's well being, it's about the other three prefering a regional rival over someone that's 1500 miles away. If Boise State was located in Albequerque instead of Boise, then there might be a case for them getting the invite over Tech.

[Blake]

Yah, politics plain and simple.

Fwiw, Larry Scott has visited Lubbock in official Pac 10 commissioner capacity.

[coyotes_geek]

Why didn't the Texas government force TU to care about TCU, Houston, SMU, Rice, or Aggie? The only time they've stepped in on behalf of another Texas school was for Baylor, and that was ONLY because Ann Richards was a Baylor alum....

Because the Big 8 really only wanted Texas and A&M and was only willing to take two tagalongs. Baylor had the governor and Tech wasn't physically located in either of the two cities that Texas and A&M liked to get most of their recruits from.

[coyotes_geek]

I have a feeling that you might see FSU and a few others make a move out of the ACC before the 50 million buyout kicks in.

ACC $50 million exit fee to go into effect 'immediately'
(http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-09-12/sports/os-acc-exit-fee-notre-dame-florida-state-20120912_1_exit-fee-acc-s-council-current-member-schools)


One ACC official told the Orlando Sentinel the upped exit fee goes into effect "immediately."

When pressured further about whether that meant anytime this academic year or sometime next summer, the official responded: immediately, as in "today."

[Sisk]

The SEC obviously does not pride themselves on Academics. :lol

The SEC is better academically than the big 12

[ChumpDumper]

The SEC is better academically than the big 12So neither really prides itself on academics.

Neither does Conference USA. They'll let anyone in.

[djohn2oo8]

The SEC is better academically than the big 12

Oh wow. The second worst BCS conference academically is something to brag of. Little man syndrome on full display.

[DesignatedT]

Oh wow. The second worst BCS conference academically is something to brag of. Little man syndrome on full display.

He's responding to the idiot big12 fan (you) who was talking academic smack about the sec. He's not bragging about it :lol

[djohn2oo8]

He's responding to the idiot big12 fan (you) who was talking academic smack about the sec. He's not bragging about it :lol

In my original post I said the SEC obviously does not pride themselves on academics which they don't. (Did I say the Big XII did?) He then responds with the "our conference is better than yours even though they both rank low becausr we HAVE to look more distinguished than Texas" argument. Just another case of micro man syndrome.

[DesignatedT]

So you were knowingly talking shit about another conferences' academics when being fully aware that your conference is worse in said category. :lol got it.

[Sisk]

In my original post I said the SEC obviously does not pride themselves on academics which they don't. (Did I say the Big XII did?) He then responds with the "our conference is better than yours even though they both rank low becausr we HAVE to look more distinguished than Texas" argument. Just another case of micro man syndrome.

http://brandi-annuyemura.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/OverThinking.jpg

[djohn2oo8]

So you were knowingly talking shit about another conferences' academics when being fully aware that your conference is worse in said category. :lol got it.

Go back and look at the quote. "Obvious". What conference as of late has had the most academically ineligible athletes in the news?