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DesignatedT
06-13-2010, 04:09 PM
Latest from Chip Brown Twitter... and so it begins. SEC or salvage the BIG12. A&M will not go west with Texas.
ChipBrownOB-Twitter
1. Texas A&M turned down invite to join P10 in mtg today with P10's Larry Scott and Kevin Weiberg in College Station, a Big 12 AD confirms. 12 minutes ago via TweetDeck
http://twitter.com/chipbrownob
DesignatedT
06-13-2010, 04:11 PM
Be interesting to see what happens now.
mookie2001
06-13-2010, 04:14 PM
Whatever happens aggy history will decide Texas was too scared to play the fighting ags anymore
DesignatedT
06-13-2010, 04:14 PM
Whatever happens aggy history will decide Texas was too scared to play the fighting ags anymore
They will continue to play IMO.
JMarkJohns
06-13-2010, 05:05 PM
They will continue to play IMO.
They can play each other in non-conference on a rotational home-field schedule.
mookie2001
06-13-2010, 05:20 PM
From the language in the other thread it sounds like they wouldn't play
But I don't know why they couldn't, several teams play late season non conference rivalry games, fla- fla st, GA- GA tech, SC - Clemson I think to name a few
They won't play because Texas would end the relationship as to not give SEC any more exposure in Texas per sources.
JMarkJohns
06-13-2010, 05:57 PM
They won't play because Texas would end the relationship as to not give SEC any more exposure in Texas per sources.
This makes sense. I know UT is pissed at A&M for opening up the SEC floodgate on recruits from Texas. A&M just became even more irrelevant if the floodgate does in fact spread to other SEC schools. Nobody is attending A&M when the likes of Alabama, Goergia, Florida and LSU are a callin'.
JMarkJohns
06-13-2010, 06:00 PM
Supposedly there's a retraction on this, however. A&M reps say they haven't eliminated/turned down any options. They are still reviewing what's best for them. Maybe Texas told them to fuck off if they open up the SEC to Texas HS recruits?
jack sommerset
06-13-2010, 06:12 PM
Texas A&M footaball is dead no matter what conference they go to.
Thompson
06-13-2010, 06:16 PM
They won't play because Texas would end the relationship as to not give SEC any more exposure in Texas per sources.
Bravely ran away away,
brave brave Sir Bevo!
When danger reared its ugly head,
he bravely turned his tail and fled!
[t.u. fans 'We did not!']
-(altered) Monty Python
CubanMustGo
06-13-2010, 06:34 PM
Why the fuck would anyone want to join that redneck conference that is the SEC?
Oh yeah, money.
Kermit
06-13-2010, 06:54 PM
Bye.
tlongII
06-13-2010, 07:33 PM
A&M is making a BIG mistake if they go to the SEC imo.
redraiderinfiji
06-13-2010, 08:58 PM
A&M is making a BIG mistake if they go to the SEC imo.
second that!
DesignatedT
06-13-2010, 09:03 PM
A&M is making a BIG mistake if they go to the SEC imo.
second that!
Why does this not surprise me coming from a fudgepac 10 fan and a techtard. A&M can hold their own, they don't need daddy UT to take care of them like that school in Lubbock or any other of the schools in the big12 do.
Bravely ran away away,
brave brave Sir Bevo!
When danger reared its ugly head,
he bravely turned his tail and fled!
[t.u. fans 'We did not!']
-(altered) Monty Python
Texas is so scared of the fightn' farmers that it wants the fightn' farmers in its conference.
I just PWNED you free of charge.
redraiderinfiji
06-13-2010, 09:17 PM
Why does this not surprise me coming from a fudgepac 10 fan and a techtard. A&M can hold their own, they don't need daddy UT to take care of them like that school in Lubbock or any other of the schools in the big12 do.
Dont forget that before your win in Lubbock last year....Tech had ass raped the ags 10 of the last 13 times. Your team has sucked for a long time...get ready to get raped in the SEC, with or withour top talent. Your team has not done shit for the last decade. Welcome back to the dumpster (as if you ever left), just this time its in the SEC
Go blow some some sheep.
Thompson
06-13-2010, 09:23 PM
Texas is so scared of the fightn' farmers that it wants the fightn' farmers in its conference.
I just PWNED you free of charge.
They are welcome to join us. Follow us to the SEC, it's where Oklahoma wants to go anyway and is a heck of a lot closer than California, Oregon etc. That, or schedule an out-of-conference game, Texas will surely need it to improve their strength of schedule in the Pac-16 (minus USC for a few years).
I don't think Texas is afraid of us now, but they're sure as heck afraid of the SEC, and we might be stronger after a few years of struggling. I wouldn't be that surprised to see us beat Texas this year, for that matter.
redraiderinfiji
06-13-2010, 09:28 PM
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Man you pulled some nice tail during your school years designatedT!
samikeyp
06-13-2010, 09:32 PM
They are welcome to join us. Follow us to the SEC, it's where Oklahoma wants to go anyway and is a heck of a lot closer than California, Oregon etc. That, or schedule an out-of-conference game, Texas will surely need it to improve their strength of schedule in the Pac-16 (minus USC for a few years).
I don't think Texas is afraid of us now, but they're sure as heck afraid of the SEC, and we might be stronger after a few years of struggling. I wouldn't be that surprised to see us beat Texas this year, for that matter.
The only thing Texas or any of the soon-to-be former Big 12 schools is scared of is missing out on the most lucrative of the deals being offered. I honestly do not think the folks in Austin are saying "well, we could take the SEC's offer but we're scared of playing their teams" Its all about the :greedy. The guys in Austin, College Station, Norman, whereever who make the calls on where they will go don't give a rat's ass about anyone or anything except their own pockets. If A&M and UT split to different conferences, its not going to be because one is scared of the other or of the competition.....its about how much they get paid. Period. To think otherwise is homerish and ignorant.
redraiderinfiji
06-13-2010, 09:33 PM
The only thing Texas or any of the soon-to-be former Big 12 schools is scared of is missing out on the most lucrative of the deals being offered. I honestly do not think the folks in Austin are saying "well, we could take the SEC's offer but we're scared of playing their teams" Its all about the :greedy. The guys in Austin, College Station, Norman, whereever who make the calls on where they will go don't give a rat's ass about anyone or anything except their own pockets. If A&M and UT split to different conferences, its not going to be because one is scared of the other or of the competition.....its about how much they get paid. Period. To think otherwise is homerish and ignorant.
yes, yes, and yes.......
They are welcome to join us. Follow us to the SEC, it's where Oklahoma wants to go anyway and is a heck of a lot closer than California, Oregon etc. That, or schedule an out-of-conference game, Texas will surely need it to improve their strength of schedule in the Pac-16 (minus USC for a few years).
I don't think Texas is afraid of us now, but they're sure as heck afraid of the SEC, and we might be stronger after a few years of struggling. I wouldn't be that surprised to see us beat Texas this year, for that matter.
If I was an Ag, I'd stop worrying about where anyone else wants to be for a while - especially OU. And we teasips stopped being afraid of the Ags a long time ago. Get your shit together down in College Station and become a player. That's not too much to ask, right?
This is the best opportunity A&M will ever get to claim national relevancy after the turd they've laid over the last decade. Cease all your saw varsity's horns off and tu bullshit - man up and figure out a way to become more like LSU and less like Mississippi State.
DesignatedT
06-13-2010, 09:45 PM
Dont forget that before your win in Lubbock last year....Tech had ass raped the ags 10 of the last 13 times. Your team has sucked for a long time...get ready to get raped in the SEC, with or withour top talent. Your team has not done shit for the last decade. Welcome back to the dumpster (as if you ever left), just this time its in the SEC
Go blow some some sheep.
and where is Tech? Your whole University is a joke. Besides your recent football all your other major sports are a joke and now you fired the only thing you had going for you (mike leach). The city of lubbock reeks like shit and all the rejects who got denied access to UT and A&M become delusional in thinking that you are somehow apart of this Texas football rivalry when in reality nobody gives a rats ass about your irrelevant institution. Now go put on your Polo gear and join every other frat faggot your university produces in continuing your higher education on "How to get rid of an STD".
Thompson
06-13-2010, 09:46 PM
The only thing Texas or any of the soon-to-be former Big 12 schools is scared of is missing out on the most lucrative of the deals being offered. I honestly do not think the folks in Austin are saying "well, we could take the SEC's offer but we're scared of playing their teams" Its all about the :greedy. The guys in Austin, College Station, Norman, whereever who make the calls on where they will go don't give a rat's ass about anyone or anything except their own pockets. If A&M and UT split to different conferences, its not going to be because one is scared of the other or of the competition.....its about how much they get paid. Period. To think otherwise is homerish and ignorant.
The money in the Pac-16 is not guaranteed to be better than the renegotiated contract in the SEC. Don't you think if A&M, Texas, Oklahoma, and Ok State went to what is already the best football conference in the nation, they would get a monster television deal (more so than could be reached with a 'Pac-16')?
And Texas is concerned about money, I agree. They've built their program into one of the most successful athletic departments in the nation. When you have that much, you fear losing it; I think they look at the SEC and see one team after another that could beat them 'any given Saturday,' ruining their hopes of a championship (especially based on the way the BCS works right now). By going to the Pac-16 instead, they have a much greater chance of avoiding those losses and of being a more likely contender every year.
My hope is that in going to super-conferences, we will soon see some form of playoff system, which would lessen the chance of being eliminated from contention for a championship just because you played a tough schedule and happened to lose a game or two along the way. If Texas wants a massive money deal, they should join what is already the best conference in the nation with A&M, OU, and Ok State and push for a playoff system. I don't see how the returns could get much bigger than with an SEC that added those teams.
redraiderinfiji
06-13-2010, 09:49 PM
and where is Tech? Your whole University is a joke. Besides your recent football all your other major sports are a joke and now you fired the only thing you had going for you (mike leach). The city of lubbock reeks like shit and all the rejects who got denied access to UT and A&M become delusional in thinking that you are somehow apart of this Texas football rivalry when in reality nobody gives a rats ass about your irrelevant institution. Now go put on your Polo gear and join every other frat faggot your university produces in continuing your higher education on "How to get rid of an STD".
Lets talk about now....
You mention "texas football rivalry".....the ags have not been a "rival" of anyone for a long time. The meaning of "Rivalry" means that both teams have the chance of winning. The ags have been a rival of no one for the last decade. So, your first argument blows....
Next, yes tech is not harvard. I dont claim it to be that.....
Last, I sense jealousy in your words. The ags have blown for a long time. Just accept it. Trying to say that "my school is better than yours" is an arguement that has no merit here.
This is about sports, and unless I have been in a decade-long coma, the ags have gotten their asses kicked for longer than they will ever admit. Deep down, you know your sports have blown.....
Dont be an aggie bitch....grab whatever balls you have (whatever you have left over that the lambs have not chewed off) and take it like a man.
samikeyp
06-13-2010, 09:50 PM
The money in the Pac-16 is not guaranteed to be better than the renegotiated contract in the SEC. Don't you think if A&M, Texas, Oklahoma, and Ok State went to what is already the best football conference in the nation, they would get a monster television deal (more so than could be reached with a 'Pac-16')?
And Texas is concerned about money, I agree. They've built their program into one of the most successful athletic departments in the nation. When you have that much, you fear losing it; I think they look at the SEC and see one team after another that could beat them 'any given Saturday,' ruining their hopes of a championship (especially based on the way the BCS works right now). By going to the Pac-16 instead, they have a much greater chance of avoiding those losses and of being a more likely contender every year.
My hope is that in going to super-conferences, we will soon see some form of playoff system, which would lessen chance of being eliminated from contention for a championship just because you played a tough schedule and happened to lose a game or two along the way. If Texas wants a massive money deal, they should join what is already the best conference in the nation with A&M, OU, and Ok State and push for a playoff system. I don't see how the returns could get much bigger than with an SEC that added those teams.
Well said and if that went down...the SEC would almost be illegal because of how nasty it would be. However, I still don't think anyone is "scared" of each other or other schools. I guess the point I was trying to make was that moves won't be made out of fear, they will be made with dollar signs in mind.
DesignatedT
06-13-2010, 09:55 PM
Lets talk about now....
You mention "texas football
I'm having trouble following you? Are you already poppin pills or smoking grass?
redraiderinfiji
06-13-2010, 09:58 PM
Sensitive aren't you?
Thompson
06-13-2010, 10:05 PM
http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/sheep020510.jpg
You aren't fooling anyone, raider. Your sheep is wearing tech colors.
Blake
06-13-2010, 10:05 PM
From the language in the other thread it sounds like they wouldn't play
They won't play because Texas would end the relationship as to not give SEC any more exposure in Texas per sources.
yeah, it is sounding like UT is saying "if you don't come with us, you arent going to play us."
a little surprising, imo.
I wonder what would happen to the RR rivalry if OU also went to the SEC....
samikeyp
06-13-2010, 10:10 PM
yeah, it is sounding like UT is saying "if you don't come with us, you arent going to play us."
a little surprising, imo.
I wonder what would happen to the RR rivalry if OU also went to the SEC....
Good question.
That would be a hell of a OOC schedule if they kept A&M and OU.
They are welcome to join us. Follow us to the SEC, it's where Oklahoma wants to go anyway and is a heck of a lot closer than California, Oregon etc.
The SEC is not where Oklahoma wants to go. There is no reliable evidence of that.
The only reasons A&M wants to go to the SEC is reduce travel costs since its AD is nearly bankrupt and because it wants to escape UT's shadow.
That, or schedule an out-of-conference game, Texas will surely need it to improve their strength of schedule in the Pac-16 (minus USC for a few years).
I don't think Texas is afraid of us now, but they're sure as heck afraid of the SEC, and we might be stronger after a few years of struggling. I wouldn't be that surprised to see us beat Texas this year, for that matter.
Texas doesn't need to improve it's OOS. It's conference schedule won't look too different from what it used to.
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St.
Texas Tech
Arizona
Arizona St.
Kansas
Colorado
+ anyone from Washington to USC (which landed a major recruit two days after all the penalties were announced and will be bowl eligable one or zero seasons after the Pac16 starts).
I don't think Texas is afraid of us now, but they're sure as heck afraid of the SEC, and we might be stronger after a few years of struggling. I wouldn't be that surprised to see us beat Texas this year, for that matter.
Texas is probably afraid of letting the SEC teams get exposure in Texas and starting to steal recruits from here. That's exactly what A&M needs, is more competition for recruits in Texas. More competition from schools with low academic standards for their athletes and dirty recruiting tactics (just ask Tommy Tub over at ITT Tech) will not make A&M stronger.
DesignatedT
06-13-2010, 10:13 PM
Lets talk about now....
You mention "texas football rivalry".....the ags have not been a "rival" of anyone for a long time. The meaning of "Rivalry" means that both teams have the chance of winning. The ags have been a rival of no one for the last decade. So, your first argument blows....
Next, yes tech is not harvard. I dont claim it to be that.....
Last, I sense jealousy in your words. The ags have blown for a long time. Just accept it. Trying to say that "my school is better than yours" is an arguement that has no merit here.
This is about sports, and unless I have been in a decade-long coma, the ags have gotten their asses kicked for longer than they will ever admit. Deep down, you know your sports have blown.....
Dont be an aggie bitch....grab whatever balls you have (whatever you have left over that the lambs have not chewed off) and take it like a man.
Take it like man? :lol what do you mean? Do you think I don't know that our football program has been less than mediocre for the past decade? Yes I understand this... I guess you should be embarrassed that such a "shitty" program who has "no rivals" are still getting invites from the most competitive and profitable conference in all of football while your prestigious program rides the coattails of UT. No matter what your school or football program accomplishes it doesn't matter, You will always be irrelevant to anyone who actually matters.
samikeyp
06-13-2010, 10:14 PM
The only reasons A&M wants to go to the SEC is reduce travel costs since its AD is nearly bankrupt and because it wants to escape UT's shadow.
At the risk of sounding like a broken record.. :)
A&M is not sitting there saying "we need to get away from UT", they are saying "How do we make the most money"
DesignatedT
06-13-2010, 10:17 PM
At the risk of sounding like a broken record.. :)
A&M is not sitting there saying "we need to get away from UT", they are saying "How do we make the most money"
A&M definitely prefers to stay with Texas IMO but have made it clear that it's willing to cut ties if the pac10 is the only alternative. If Texas really wants to try and salvage the BIG12, I'm sure that it could happen if the conference can somehow get the $$$.
Thompson
06-13-2010, 10:20 PM
Texas is probably afraid of letting the SEC teams get exposure in Texas and starting to steal recruits from here. That's exactly what A&M needs, is more competition for recruits in Texas. More competition from schools with low academic standards for their athletes and dirty recruiting tactics (just ask Tommy Tub over at ITT Tech) will not make A&M stronger.
I think A&M will be able to increase their recruiting with kids who want to play in the SEC but suddenly have a chance to play in Texas while doing it. While we might be at a slight recruiting disadvantage when it comes to our higher academic standards, I think there are enough recruits in Texas that we can let other schools take the lower GPA kids and we will have an additional selling point with the higher GPA kids' families that we offer the chance to play in the SEC, stay in Texas and get a good education. Some think we won't benefit, some think we will. We'll know for sure in 5-10 years.
Blake
06-13-2010, 10:25 PM
More competition from schools with low academic standards for their athletes and dirty recruiting tactics (just ask Tommy Tub over at ITT Tech) will not make A&M stronger.
huh?
If Texas really wants to try and salvage the BIG12, I'm sure that it could happen if the conference can somehow get the $$$.
Of course, but it's not going to happen. That's part of the reason why teams are leaving in the first place.
I think A&M will be able to increase their recruiting with kids who want to play in the SEC but suddenly have a chance to play in Texas while doing it. While we might be at a slight recruiting disadvantage when it comes to our higher academic standards, I think there are enough recruits in Texas that we can let other schools take the lower GPA kids and we will have an additional selling point with the higher GPA kids' families that we offer the chance to play in the SEC, stay in Texas and get a good education. Some think we won't benefit, some think we will. We'll know for sure in 5-10 years.
I think you're severely overestimating the number of Texas kids with high GPA's who "want to play in the SEC". And I'm sure those who do will definitely pick A&M when they go on recruiting visits and watch LSU and Alabama thump you by 40.
DesignatedT
06-13-2010, 10:33 PM
Being the lone SEC team will definitely help recruiting for A&M. Thing is by staying in the BIG12 or PAC10 with UT and OU, The Aggies will never be able to get out of those guys shadow and match the recruiting efforts of those schools. Yes of course A&M still pulls in great talent to put together good seasons and maybe occasionally compete for a big 12 title but that's it.
By going SEC A&M will distance themselves from those 2 schools and being the lone SEC team in Texas will help tremendously in recruiting by giving the Texas kids a chance to stay in Texas and play with the best conference in the country. Whether or not this will be successful or not only time will tell but I am damn proud of the Aggies for at least considering this move and exploring the options to get out of UT's shadow. Now if UT will agree to play an OOC game every year with the Aggies then that would be absolutely perfect.
huh?
I was just kidding about the name calling, but Tommy Tuberville had this to say on A&M potentially joining the SEC per 610 Radio in Houston:
They better be real careful if they make the decision to join them (SEC) and cross the Mississippi (River). They play by a different set of rules. It's a different brand of football. They recruit a different way down there. They don't know what they're getting themselves into.
Blake
06-13-2010, 10:49 PM
Being the lone SEC team will definitely help recruiting for A&M. Thing is by staying in the BIG12 or PAC10 with UT and OU, The Aggies will never be able to get out of those guys shadow and match the recruiting efforts of those schools. Yes of course A&M still pulls in great talent to put together good seasons and maybe occasionally compete for a big 12 title but that's it.
By going SEC A&M will distance themselves from those 2 schools and being the lone SEC team in Texas will help tremendously in recruiting by giving the Texas kids a chance to stay in Texas and play with the best conference in the country. Whether or not this will be successful or not only time will tell but I am damn proud of the Aggies for at least considering this move and exploring the options to get out of UT's shadow. Now if UT will agree to play an OOC game every year with the Aggies then that would be absolutely perfect.
I don't think you have much of a clue of how good A&M's recruiting has really been the last decade.
It's the coaching that has sucked.
I don't see A&M's recruiting getting any better. In fact, if UT boycotts A&M from future competition, I can see it getting slightly worse.
Blake
06-13-2010, 10:51 PM
I was just kidding about the name calling, but Tommy Tuberville had this to say on A&M potentially joining the SEC per 610 Radio in Houston:
They better be real careful if they make the decision to join them (SEC) and cross the Mississippi (River). They play by a different set of rules. It's a different brand of football. They recruit a different way down there. They don't know what they're getting themselves into.
couldnt care less about the name calling. Just was wondering what you were referring to regarding the dirty recruiting tactics...
the irony there is that OU has played dirty while in the Big XII and we have USC that is currently getting bent over the NCAA for it.
DesignatedT
06-13-2010, 10:54 PM
I don't think you have much of a clue of how good A&M's recruiting has really been the last decade.
It's the coaching that has sucked.
I don't see A&M's recruiting getting any better. In fact, if UT boycotts A&M from future competition, I can see it getting slightly worse.
I know everything about our recruiting especially in the past 5 years. While are players are considerably better than what Texas Tech and others pull in it is not near the caliber that UT and OU recruit.
And of course Fran was terrible for A&M but when Sherman was hired this program was in total disarray. Our players outside of a couple were terrible which lead to Sherman playing 16 true freshman and 7 redshirt freshman. breaking an NCAA record.
Playing in the best conference in football will definitely help recruiting. I don't see how anyone would say different. Also, Texas and A&M will continue to play IMO.
Kermit
06-13-2010, 10:57 PM
I don't think you have much of a clue of how good A&M's recruiting has really been the last decade.
It's the coaching that has sucked.
I don't see A&M's recruiting getting any better. In fact, if UT boycotts A&M from future competition, I can see it getting slightly worse.
/Franchione'd
Looks like the Legislature is now getting involved.
Kermit
06-13-2010, 10:58 PM
I know everything about our recruiting especially in the past 5 years. While are players are considerably better than what Texas Tech and others pull in it is not near the caliber that UT and OU recruit.
And of course Fran was terrible for A&M but when Sherman was hired this program was in total disarray. Our players outside of a couple were terrible which lead to Sherman playing 19 freshman. breaking an NCAA record.
Playing in the best conference in football will definitely help recruiting. I don't see how anyone would say different. Also, Texas and A&M will continue to play.
No, they won't. This will not happen if the two schools part. Sorry to burst your wet dream. But now that the Legislature is getting involved, the Big 12 will probably exist for a little while longer.
samikeyp
06-13-2010, 10:59 PM
Looks like the Legislature is now getting involved.
:bang
That sucks.
Kermit
06-13-2010, 11:01 PM
:bang
That sucks.
Yes. Yes it does. They have a hearing on wednesday and everyone is being stongly encouraged to attend. Not only that, but they're bringing in experts in the field of television revenue. Practically every university president in Texas is attending. Should be the opposite of fun.
DesignatedT
06-13-2010, 11:03 PM
No, they won't. This will not happen if the two schools part. Sorry to burst your wet dream. But now that the Legislature is getting involved, the Big 12 will probably exist for a little while longer.
I don't think you should be so sure of yourself. Texas can threaten all they want but if the 2 teams split the amount of pressure the legislators and alumni from both schools will show to have this game played will be outrageous. Especially if A&M would be willing to play it. Either way its all speculation so far and I never threw out the possibility of the Big12 staying intact. A&M showing Texas they are willing to split reinforced Texas' desire to stay in the Big12. Well see if the conference has what it takes.
Blake
06-13-2010, 11:06 PM
I know everything about our recruiting especially in the past 5 years. While are players are considerably better than what Texas Tech and others pull in it is not near the caliber that UT and OU recruit.
Few are.
I don't know what makes you think that by getting crushed every year by Alabama, Georgia and Auburn instead of UT, OU and Tech that recruiting will suddenly rise up to that top 5 level consistently.
Playing in the best conference in football will definitely help recruiting. I don't see how anyone would say different.
Ask Arkansas how things have gone since they left.
Also, Texas and A&M will continue to play.
50-50, imo.
Kermit
06-13-2010, 11:10 PM
I don't think you should be so sure of yourself. Texas can threaten all they want but if the 2 teams split the amount of pressure the legislators and alumni from both schools will show to have this game played will be outrageous. Especially if A&M would be willing to play it. Either way its all speculation so far.
The only way Texas plays this game is if Aggy is in the same conference. If the legislature allows A&M to go their own way, then through what mechanism can they force UT to play the rivalry OOC. It's not a threat. And of course Aggy wants to play it. They're nothing without it. They want to have their cake and eat it too. You think the legislature is going to force Tech and Baylor to play Aggy? If they strike out on their own, it's over. And I think that they realize this and don't give a shit. Hopefully it works out for them in about 10 years because that's probably how long it's going to take them to be competitive.
DesignatedT
06-13-2010, 11:17 PM
Few are.
I don't know what makes you think that by getting crushed every year by Alabama, Georgia and Auburn instead of UT, OU and Tech that recruiting will suddenly rise up to that top 5 level consistently.
Ask Arkansas how things have gone since they left.
50-50, imo.
Kids want to play SEC ball. It's as simple as that. It is by far the best conference without a doubt in College Football. I am not saying that it would rise up to that level without winning but IMO recruiting will still get better from what we are pulling in now. I believe A&M will be able to compete in the conference (especially in every other sport) and being the lone SEC team in Texas will end up having a better impact than you think by letting the kids stay in their home state and close too home while playing in the best conference.
Arkansas is not in Texas. It gets nowhere near the recruits that A&M will get. Which goes back to the coaching point brought up earlier. A&M with good coaching will be able to compete in any conference.
Blake
06-13-2010, 11:21 PM
Kids want to play SEC ball. It's as simple as that. It is by far the best conference without a doubt in College Football. I am not saying that it would rise up to that level without winning but IMO recruiting will still get better from what we are pulling in now. I believe A&M will be able to compete in the conference (especially in every other sport) and being the lone SEC team in Texas will end up having a better impact than you think by letting the kids stay in their home state and close too home while playing in the best conference.
Arkansas is not in Texas. It gets nowhere near the recruits that A&M will get. Which goes back to the coaching point brought up earlier. A&M with good coaching will be able to compete in any conference.
naw.
you're reaching if you think switching the SEC will put A&M on the same recruiting level as OU or UT.
Kids want to play for UT and OU. It's as simple as that.
DesignatedT
06-13-2010, 11:23 PM
The only way Texas plays this game is if Aggy is in the same conference. If the legislature allows A&M to go their own way, then through what mechanism can they force UT to play the rivalry OOC. It's not a threat. And of course Aggy wants to play it. They're nothing without it. They want to have their cake and eat it too. You think the legislature is going to force Tech and Baylor to play Aggy? If they strike out on their own, it's over. And I think that they realize this and don't give a shit. Hopefully it works out for them in about 10 years because that's probably how long it's going to take them to be competitive.
Oh please. You can't be this ignorant and arrogant. They're nothing without it? A&M will continue to put a competitive team on the field with or without Texas, not to mention that A&M will be able to contend in every other single sport out there as well. Texas A&M University will be fine without you guys.
DesignatedT
06-13-2010, 11:28 PM
naw.
you're reaching if you think switching the SEC will put A&M on the same recruiting level as OU or UT.
Kids want to play for UT and OU. It's as simple as that.
I never said this. Actually if you go back and read it again I said "I am not saying that it would rise up to that level without winning."
I do believe 100% that A&M joining the SEC and Texas going Pac10 will improve the Aggies recruiting right now. Never said it would be better than Texas'.
Kermit
06-13-2010, 11:28 PM
Oh please. You can't be this ignorant and arrogant. They're nothing without it? A&M will continue to put a competitive team on the field with or without Texas, not to mention that A&M will be able to contend in every other single sport out there as well. Texas A&M University will be fine without you guys.
:lmao
Then bye. And please don't underestimate my arrogance.
I fucking love Aggy. Suck balls in the top heavy Big 12. Then comes the epiphany, "We can totally rule this state if we just go to the toughest football conference in the country. We don't need Texas. They're keeping us down. Hububaloo indeed. The recruits will come."
and being the lone SEC team in Texas will end up having a better impact than you think by letting the kids stay in their home state and close too home while playing in the best conference.
The "best conference"? At what? They may be on a hot football streak now, but that little run could end very quickly, dare I say in the second it takes Colt McCoys to hurt his shoulder.
Here's the real breakdown of the Pac-10 with only 10 teams vs the SEC with 12 teams.
Total National Championships:
PAC-10: 359
SEC: 175
DesignatedT
06-13-2010, 11:40 PM
:lmao
Then bye. And please don't underestimate my arrogance.
I fucking love Aggy. Suck balls in the top heavy Big 12. Then comes the epiphany, "We can totally rule this state if we just go to the toughest football conference in the country. We don't need Texas. They're keeping us down. Hububaloo indeed. The recruits will come."
:lol what is so funny? Did I say we were going to start winning conference titles? A competitive team meaning a chance to win every time you take the field.
You obviously don't understand. A&M doesn't want to join the Pac10. They feel they don't fit in geographically or culturally. A&M has said over and over again that their first option is too keep the big 12 intact. Texas doesn't want to go to the SEC for the same reasons that A&M doesn't want to go to the Pac10 but it's A&M that is breaking up the rivalry? A&M is not going to follow to a conference they don't feel comfortable in just because Texas is there. A&M's intention was not to break away from Texas but if their is no alternative than the "Pac 16" than A&M is prepared to do so. Do you have trouble understanding this?
DesignatedT
06-13-2010, 11:43 PM
The "best conference"? At what? They may be on a hot football streak now, but that little run could end very quickly, dare I say in the second it takes Colt McCoys to hurt his shoulder.
Here's the real breakdown of the Pac-10 with only 10 teams vs the SEC with 12 teams.
Total National Championships:
PAC-10: 359
SEC: 175
The SEC is by far the best conference in football, I really hope you don't disagree with that. I don't know the basis behind that stat but it really doesn't matter. What does matter is the last 4 National Champions have come from the SEC and that's what the High School kids are looking at.
and did you really just pull out the shoulder excuse :lol
Blake
06-13-2010, 11:51 PM
I never said this. Actually if you go back and read it again I said "I am not saying that it would rise up to that level without winning."
I do believe 100% that A&M joining the SEC and Texas going Pac10 will improve the Aggies recruiting right now. Never said it would be better than Texas'.
I never said that you implied it will be better....
but you clearly said that the only way to match the recruiting efforts of those schools is by going to the SEC (maybe the Big 10 of UT/OU arent there):
Thing is by staying in the BIG12 or PAC10 with UT and OU, The Aggies will never be able to get out of those guys shadow and match the recruiting efforts of those schools.
I know everything about our recruiting especially in the past 5 years. While are players are considerably better than what Texas Tech and others pull in it is not near the caliber that UT and OU recruit.
whatever you say, dude.
The SEC is by far the best conference in football, I really hope you don't disagree with that.
Right now it is. Might not be 5 years from now. In fact, Jesse Palmer, who played in the SEC, said the Pac-16 would instantly be the best football conference in the nation if it happened.
And that isn't contingent on the 1 national championship won 70 years ago that your team brings to the table.
DesignatedT
06-13-2010, 11:55 PM
I never said that you implied it will be better....
but you clearly said that the only way to match the recruiting efforts of those schools is by going to the SEC (maybe the Big 10 of UT/OU arent there):
whatever you say, dude.
I agree. Then I clearly said to match the recruiting classes of UT and OU we would have to win. Obviously...
DesignatedT
06-14-2010, 12:00 AM
Right now it is. Might not be 5 years from now. In fact, Jesse Palmer, who played in the SEC, said the Pac-16 would instantly be the best football conference in the nation if it happened.
And that isn't contingent on the 1 national championship won 70 years ago that your team brings to the table.
Seeing that you are probably just a t-shirt fan like 80% of the people that claim UT, I'm not offended.
redraiderinfiji
06-14-2010, 04:32 AM
Take it like man? :lol what do you mean? Do you think I don't know that our football program has been less than mediocre for the past decade? Yes I understand this... I guess you should be embarrassed that such a "shitty" program who has "no rivals" are still getting invites from the most competitive and profitable conference in all of football while your prestigious program rides the coattails of UT. No matter what your school or football program accomplishes it doesn't matter, You will always be irrelevant to anyone who actually matters.
This coming from a guy who's team hasn't mattered for more than a decade, and shows no signs of change (having one good qb (player) who is supposedly a "heisman hopeful" for the last 15 years doesn not mean shit). There is no end in sight for you ag supporters. Just keep wishing for that day when Bucky Richardson reincarnated steps onto the college station campus....
but until then....you cant call anyone shitty.....your team has personified that word for quite a long time. You can hate Tech all you want. Trash it....but just remember all the beat downs you recieved for more than a decade. The ags were, and are still, the epitome of terrible football.....
I cant tell you how many aggie fans gave up watching games for the last two years. These guys were die hards, and in fit of losing rage, dumped their team like a bag o' shit.....
Guys like JGW are prime examples......well at least you never dumped "your team" like he did. But, with the USC sanctions, I am 100 percent sure that he will jump on the ag bandwagon once again....
Kermit
06-14-2010, 06:29 AM
Seeing that you are probably just a t-shirt fan like 80% of the people that claim UT, I'm not offended.
T-shirt blast. 2%. Jizz jar. Whoop. Bonfire. Hububaloo. SEC.
Lets talk about now....
You mention "texas football rivalry".....the ags have not been a "rival" of anyone for a long time. The meaning of "Rivalry" means that both teams have the chance of winning. The ags have been a rival of no one for the last decade. So, your first argument blows....
Next, yes tech is not harvard. I dont claim it to be that.....
Last, I sense jealousy in your words. The ags have blown for a long time. Just accept it. Trying to say that "my school is better than yours" is an arguement that has no merit here.
This is about sports, and unless I have been in a decade-long coma, the ags have gotten their asses kicked for longer than they will ever admit. Deep down, you know your sports have blown.....
Dont be an aggie bitch....grab whatever balls you have (whatever you have left over that the lambs have not chewed off) and take it like a man.
this is not just about sports. teams benefit from the academic credentials of the other schools in the conference and that is why the pac 10 is the better option in that regard. there is really only one solid academic school in the SEC and that is vanderbilt. the remaining schools are average insitutions. additionally, this is not just about football. the pac 10 has schools that can compete in every sport outside the parameters of the big three (football, basketball and baseball) and the SEC does not. this means that the aggies will be very competitive athletically in most sports and will even be respectable in basketball (and decent enough in football). yes, a&m would probably fare a little better in football in the pac 10 but not that much better whereas in all the other sports they would fare in the middle of the pack. additionally, a&m would be, along with vandy, the best academic institution in the SEC.
tech should consider the SEC as well as tech will be very irrelevant in the pac 10.
Kermit
06-14-2010, 09:51 AM
Apparently, the Big 12-2 is now on the verge of staying together. Ball is in Aggy's court. Dan Beebe has been resurrected.
Kermit
06-14-2010, 09:58 AM
Apparently, the Big 12-2 is now on the verge of staying together. Ball is in Aggy's court. Dan Beebe has been resurrected.
Fuck this shit. I'm gone until Thursday when the rumors become reality and the Big 12 still exists. Fuck Chip Brown.
JMarkJohns
06-14-2010, 10:02 AM
Meanwhile, ESPN is reporting from four sources that the four schools are joining the Pac-10 imminently and Beebe's plan has zero chance to work in the longrun.
Brown has been breaking the news throughout the process, so who knows?
tlongII
06-14-2010, 10:28 AM
I really don't get why A&M is being so stubborn. I think they would be a much better fit in the Pac-10.
romad_20
06-14-2010, 10:36 AM
additionally, a&m would be, along with vandy, the best academic institution in the SEC.
According to what? Every ranking I've seen (forbes, us news, etc.) shows A&M behind Vandy, Florida and Georgia in academic rankings.
I don't disagree about being able to compete in other sports right off the bat, but this is about money, and football is reall all that matters in that respect.
Homeland Security
06-14-2010, 10:43 AM
Apparently, the Big 12-2 is now on the verge of staying together. Ball is in Aggy's court. Dan Beebe has been resurrected.
A rather transparent ruse at this point. Texas is not so much interested in saving the Big XII as it is in deflecting blame for its demise.
samikeyp
06-14-2010, 10:52 AM
A rather transparent ruse at this point. Texas is not so much interested in saving the Big XII as it is in deflecting blame for its demise.
I don't think Texas cares if the Big 12 stays or goes, they just want the sweetest deal. None of us here know what is actually being said but IMO, I doubt being blamed for the possible breakup of the B12 is on the minds of the powers that be in Austin.
According to what? Every ranking I've seen (forbes, us news, etc.) shows A&M behind Vandy, Florida and Georgia in academic rankings.
I don't disagree about being able to compete in other sports right off the bat, but this is about money, and football is reall all that matters in that respect.
I went by this ranking: http://www.usnews.com/articles/education/worlds-best-universities/2010/02/25/worlds-best-universities-top-400.html?PageNr=6
but it could be that several places use various criteria.
and while football is king because it is the biggest $ maker the ability to compete in all sports is not to be undervalued.
lebomb
06-14-2010, 11:03 AM
I really don't get why A&M is being so stubborn. I think they would be a much better fit in the Pac-10.
I think travel plays a HUGE role...........look how close LSU, Ark, Tenn, Bama, Auburn, Miss are to A&M. You will get many more fans to support your team on a roadie if they dont have to travel to Oregon, Washington or California...........at least IMHO. :wakeup
I think travel plays a HUGE role...........look how close LSU, Ark, Tenn, Bama, Auburn, Miss are to A&M. You will get many more fans to support your team on a roadie if they dont have to travel to Oregon, Washington or California...........at least IMHO. :wakeup
that is also a good point. i have heard this mentioned on several occassions.
Homeland Security
06-14-2010, 11:10 AM
I don't think Texas cares if the Big 12 stays or goes, they just want the sweetest deal. None of us here know what is actually being said but IMO, I doubt being blamed for the possible breakup of the B12 is on the minds of the powers that be in Austin.
Idiot. You fucking idiot. When the UT President gets called on the carpet before the state legislature this week, which story do you think he'd rather tell?
A) "Fuck you, fuck Baylor, fuck all the rivalries, fuck the Big XII, we're going where the TV money and the academic prestige is in the Pac-16, and we will crush anyone who stands in our way, because we have the richest, most powerful athletic program in America, and we're going to make damn sure it stays that way."
B) "This is all A&M's fault. We were committed to keeping the conference together, but aggy was bound and determined to join the SEC. No we have no choice but to make the best of this terrible situation, which is, as we mentioned, all A&M's fault, by joining the Pac-16."
samikeyp
06-14-2010, 11:16 AM
Idiot. You fucking idiot. When the UT President gets called on the carpet before the state legislature this week, which story do you think he'd rather tell?
A) "Fuck you, fuck Baylor, fuck all the rivalries, fuck the Big XII, we're going where the TV money and the academic prestige is in the Pac-16, and we will crush anyone who stands in our way, because we have the richest, most powerful athletic program in America, and we're going to make damn sure it stays that way."
B) "This is all A&M's fault. We were committed to keeping the conference together, but aggy was bound and determined to join the SEC. No we have no choice but to make the best of this terrible situation, which is, as we mentioned, all A&M's fault, by joining the Pac-16."
:lol
Sorry, but I still believe that Texas' only motivation is money and they don't care what happens to anyone else as long as they get paid. :toast
lebomb
06-14-2010, 11:18 AM
:lol
Sorry, but I still believe that Texas' only motivation is money and they don't care what happens to anyone else as long as they get paid. :toast
X2................ Money and the power
samikeyp
06-14-2010, 11:21 AM
As far as what UT will say to the legislature....probably some crap about academics or something...a good dose of double talk that politicians will be able to appreciate.
Whisky Dog
06-14-2010, 11:26 AM
Once ya get tha money, ya get tha power. Once ya get the power, ya get tha women.
tlongII
06-14-2010, 11:26 AM
I think travel plays a HUGE role...........look how close LSU, Ark, Tenn, Bama, Auburn, Miss are to A&M. You will get many more fans to support your team on a roadie if they dont have to travel to Oregon, Washington or California...........at least IMHO. :wakeup
A&M's travel would be limited to the Pac-16 East division for the most part though. They would only make 2 trips per year to Cali/Oregon/Washington max.
lebomb
06-14-2010, 11:30 AM
A&M's travel would be limited to the Pac-16 East division for the most part though. They would only make 2 trips per year to Cali/Oregon/Washington max.
True, I see your point, but there would still be much less travel going east than west. Also, A&M would not have to go too far north and deal with the colder weather. I think they will go SEC personally. :hat
Whisky Dog
06-14-2010, 11:31 AM
You know aggie is scared of walking into Cal Berkley to the sight of women loving each other and pot smoking hippies (as aggie would describe them).
They would much rather walk into Fayettville Ark to the sight of brothers lovin sisters, you know, something familiar to aggie.
tlongII
06-14-2010, 11:32 AM
You know aggie is scared of walking into Cal Berkley to the sight of women loving each other and pot smoking hippies (as aggie would describe them).
They would much rather walk into Fayettville Ark to the sight of brothers lovin sisters, you know, something familiar to aggie.
Eugene and Austin are very liberal too. Corvallis has some similarities to College Station though.
samikeyp
06-14-2010, 11:35 AM
Once ya get tha money, ya get tha power. Once ya get the power, ya get tha women.
This. :tu
DesignatedT
06-14-2010, 12:58 PM
BIG12 is offering a package of 20-25mil per year for Texas to stay in the conference. Problem is the $$ to other schools isn't near that number and a huge disparity. I guess well see what happens.
A&M letting Texas know they are willing to split made UT reconsider its options.
mookie2001
06-14-2010, 01:00 PM
I don't think the SEC ever said "aggy we want you in our conference in 2012"
DesignatedT
06-14-2010, 01:04 PM
I don't think the SEC ever said "aggy we want you in our conference in 2012"
Yes, They did.
DesignatedT
06-14-2010, 01:10 PM
I don't think the SEC ever said "aggy we want you in our conference in 2012"
Here is some from Billy Liucci.
Latest in A&M's SEC/Pac-10 decision: SEC commissioner Mike Slive in College Station today...more to come 4:02 PM Jun 12th via web
Just for clarification, A&M does indeed have TWO options on the table -- Pac-10 and SEC
If the Big 12 lasts as a 10-tm league, schools like BU and KU might want to thank A&M...had they fallen in line everyone would be P10 bound
mookie2001
06-14-2010, 01:11 PM
I dont think so
Then why "save" a smaller, weaker big 12, This was their plan?
Good one
DesignatedT
06-14-2010, 01:13 PM
I dont think so
Then why "save" a smaller, weaker big 12, This was their plan?
Good one
A&M never wanted to leave the big12...... They said this over and over and over again. It was Texas who was looking to leave so A&M had to look at its other options just incase UT would bolt west.
mookie2001
06-14-2010, 01:13 PM
lucci is just a more conservative, younger less famous chip brown
DesignatedT
06-14-2010, 01:18 PM
ESPN reporting that the new BIG12 offer would offer Texas the most $ annually and A&M the 2nd most. UT is trying to sweeten the pot and it might just work. OU taking a backseat in all this.
Looks like Big12-2 will stick together IMO. A&M never wanted to leave and making them the 2nd highest paid player in the conference might just keep them there for sure.
stallings has a lot of clout with the a&m board of regents and he does not want the big XII to break up. if it did, that is where he would favor the SEC. bu the first choice seems to be staying put.
lebomb
06-14-2010, 01:35 PM
ESPN reporting that the new BIG12 offer would offer Texas the most $ annually and A&M the 2nd most. UT is trying to sweeten the pot and it might just work. OU taking a backseat in all this.
Looks like Big12-2 will stick together IMO. A&M never wanted to leave and making them the 2nd highest paid player in the conference might just keep them there for sure.
Oh yeah, this will go over well with OU. They might leave to the SEC. Why dont they just split the money equally? Programs dont stay on top forever..........UT has been running thing lately. But A&M ran the conference back in the 80's, early 90's. OU ran it several years ago. *shrugs*
Dr. Gonzo
06-14-2010, 01:41 PM
I think the bigger and more important question is what does this all mean for UTSA football?
ESPN front page has a story saying that this plan to save the Big XII isn't believe to actually work.
Here's my question for Aggies though: Why do you want to save the Big XII? Aggies seemed to be excited about the SEC and their chance to do better in that conference (which isn't going to happen but they believe it). So who wants to stay on a sinking ship if going to the SEC is going to give you a recruiting advantage like you think (but which is also not true)?
DesignatedT
06-14-2010, 01:47 PM
ESPN front page has a story saying that this plan to save the Big XII isn't believe to actually work.
Here's my question for Aggies though: Why do you want to save the Big XII? Aggies seemed to be excited about the SEC and their chance to do better in that conference (which isn't going to happen but they believe it). So who wants to stay on a sinking ship if going to the SEC is going to give you a recruiting advantage like you think (but which is also not true)?
I would prefer to go SEC then stay in the Big12-2. A&M AD has said over and over that first option will be to keep the Big12 together though...IF the money offered is somewhere near what the SEC can offer. From what I am hearing now is that the Big12-2 is able to Offer Texas more $ than the Pac10 is offering and A&M more $ than the SEC can offer annually. Other big 12 teams will continue to get screwed and not payed as much but are wiling to accept that to stay in a BCS conference "BU AND KU".
Isnt the disparity in revenue sharing what led up to all of this??? So how is making it even more of a disparity going to lead to the long term good of the conference? the Oklahoma schools should start making overtures to the SEC, maybe the Big 12 will throw some more cash their way too.
The big 12 may not implode this year, but it will eventually.
lebomb
06-14-2010, 02:36 PM
I think the bigger and more important question is what does this all mean for UTSA football?
To be honest.............this is pretty much the only thing Im concerned about. :D
DesignatedT
06-14-2010, 02:45 PM
Isnt the disparity in revenue sharing what led up to all of this??? So how is making it even more of a disparity going to lead to the long term good of the conference? the Oklahoma schools should start making overtures to the SEC, maybe the Big 12 will throw some more cash their way too.
The big 12 may not implode this year, but it will eventually.
Exactly.
Isnt the disparity in revenue sharing what led up to all of this??? So how is making it even more of a disparity going to lead to the long term good of the conference? the Oklahoma schools should start making overtures to the SEC, maybe the Big 12 will throw some more cash their way too.
The big 12 may not implode this year, but it will eventually.
very good point.
DesignatedT
06-14-2010, 04:19 PM
Seems ESPN has offered Big12 a TV package to keep it together. Big 12-2 seems it will live on. All that speculation for nothing.
tlongII
06-14-2010, 04:56 PM
Seems ESPN has offered Big12 a TV package to keep it together. Big 12-2 seems it will live on. All that speculation for nothing.
This will royally piss me off if it happens...
DesignatedT
06-14-2010, 05:13 PM
This will royally piss me off if it happens...
Looks like its all but signed. OU newspaper is already claiming its a done deal. ESPN offered them a new contract. Big 12 will remain with just 10 teams. Texas/A&M/OU will all pull in 20 million $ annually with Texas also getting their own network projected to pay them an extra 3-5mil. Rest of the big 12 will make an estimated 12 mil a year which is a step above what they were already making. For example Baylor was only pulling in around 6-7 mil a year which practically doubles their $.
ESPN kept it together with the new TV package.
Thompson
06-14-2010, 05:39 PM
I assume all teams have the right to their own network if they choose, correct? Even if it might not be feasible for everyone at the moment, they better all have that option at least (not exclusively Texas).
DesignatedT
06-14-2010, 05:40 PM
I assume all teams have the right to their own network if they choose, correct? Even if it might not be feasible for everyone at the moment, they better all have that option at least (not exclusively Texas).
That's a question I have been hearing lately. I'm pretty sure they could if they wanted to.
IronMexican
06-14-2010, 05:56 PM
PAC needs o make move for Utah now.
DesignatedT
06-15-2010, 12:58 PM
From Chip Brown:
ChipBrownOB
1. L.Scott says he had deal w/ TX. Sources say TX backed out of deal with P10 by saying because A&M wasn't on board w/ P10 the deal was off.
A&M called Texas' bluff.
Marklar MM
06-15-2010, 01:00 PM
From Chip Brown:
A&M called Texas' bluff.
Actually sounds like the Pac10 said f off when texas wanted their own network.
DesignatedT
06-15-2010, 01:05 PM
Texas was just as hesitant to leave A&M than A&M was to leave Texas. In the end, I think they both would have been better off without each other though. still playing an OOC game of course.
Kermit
06-15-2010, 01:41 PM
From Chip Brown:
A&M called Texas' bluff.
When are you going to learn not to listen to a fucking word that douchebag says?
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