Be a General Manager of an NBA Team (2010-2011)

[Chieflion]

question:
in the real NBA the Blazers just traded up in the 2nd round in a deal with the Warriors. (swapped #44 and cash for #34)
does this mean this will also be the draft order tomorrow. or do we work with the order from the start of our GM game?

Start of the GM game. The trade with the Warriors and Blazers do not matter in this hypothetical scenario.

[mudyez]

still looking to trade udrih for a low 1st rounder or high 2nd rounder?

same with nocioni (but he has more value to me)!

[Chieflion]

Carmelo for number 2.

I predicted this coming. Add Iggy and you are set for Melo.

[disciple]

Everyone on the Nuggets is up for trade. Looking for a top pick

Carmelo for the #3 plus a player would be interesting. Anyone but Harris or Lopez I would consider.

[AFBlue]

Looking to package #25 and #28 to move up. Please let me know if you're willing to trade back and snag an extra first rounder.

[rascal]

if the majority of GM's is available at drafttime, we should have both rounds (but I'd suggest to have a 60player list then). if most GM's are using lists, it makes sense to have the second round a day later (but then it colides with the real draft).

So our draft is June 23 not July 23 like chieflion posted?

[disciple]

So our draft is June 23 not July 23 like chieflion posted?

Here is a vote for having the entire draft tomorrow. I know of two GM's that will not be available Thursday night.

[mudyez]

anyone trading a secondrounder for Udrih or Noce?

[JamStone]

This may have been talked about already, but who makes the decision on whether a player picks up his option? For example, I'm the GM of the New Orleans Hornets and Darius Songaila has a player option for one more year. Ideally, I don't want him to pick up his option. But it's up to that player. I also have Peja who is set to make like $15 million so it's safe to assume he'll pick up that option because he's not going to get that type of money anywhere else. But, I think this is important for a lot of teams who are trying to get the maximum cap space possible.

[disciple]

This may have been talked about already, but who makes the decision on whether a player picks up his option? For example, I'm the GM of the New Orleans Hornets and Darius Songaila has a player option for one more year. Ideally, I don't want him to pick up his option. But it's up to that player. I also have Peja who is set to make like $15 million so it's safe to assume he'll pick up that option because he's not going to get that type of money anywhere else. But, I think this is important for a lot of teams who are trying to get the maximum cap space possible.


Same here.

As the GM for New Jersey I need to know if Kris Humphries is going to pick up his option for next year. When does he have to make his decision? Are we going to follow what happens in real life for this?

Also, we made a qualifying offer of 3Mil to Josh Boone. When does he have to make a decision?

I also need to know how to pick up a team option on a player or not and when I need to do it by. I am looking to free up more space for free agents.
I can free up another 4.65 Mil if I don't pick up a couple of team options.

[DesignatedT]

Same here.

As the GM for New Jersey I need to know if Kris Humphries is going to pick up his option for next year. When does he have to make his decision? Are we going to follow what happens in real life for this?

Also, we made a qualifying offer of 3Mil to Josh Boone. When does he have to make a decision?

I also need to know how to pick up a team option on a player or not and when I need to do it by. I am looking to free up more space for free agents.
I can free up another 4.65 Mil if I don't pick up a couple of team options.

This.

[Dex]

Same here.

As the GM for New Jersey I need to know if Kris Humphries is going to pick up his option for next year. When does he have to make his decision? Are we going to follow what happens in real life for this?

Also, we made a qualifying offer of 3Mil to Josh Boone. When does he have to make a decision?

I also need to know how to pick up a team option on a player or not and when I need to do it by. I am looking to free up more space for free agents.
I can free up another 4.65 Mil if I don't pick up a couple of team options.

From what I understand, players will make their "decisions", be it Free Agency or Opting In, sometime on or after July 1st. These decisions will be made by the commissioner.

I believe Options must be exercised by October 31st.

[rayray2k8]

Carmelo for number 2.

I've been offered Billups, Nene and a 2nd rounder, but that aint gonna do it. Melo needs to be in the deal..


If you want Wall, you'd have to be willing to take Arenas contract..
That's the deal... I'm listening.. Just don't come rushing at once. :lmao

[Chieflion]

Sorry, it is June 23, for the draft. Brainfart here.

[8FOR!3]

Guys I'm gonna be with my dad's family at Disney tomorrow (and the rest of the week) until pretty late at night I'm assuming, would anybody be willing to represent my Knicks for the draft? I think I just got two second rounders.

[Chieflion]

Guys I'm gonna be with my dad's family at Disney tomorrow (and the rest of the week) until pretty late at night I'm assuming, would anybody be willing to represent my Knicks for the draft? I think I just got two second rounders.

Just send in your picks, preferably 8 players, for each pick to me, I will help you make your pick.

[Vic Petro]

Chief are we just going to make picks by posting in this thread? So we should all just convene here at 3PM ET tomorrow?

[Chieflion]

Chief are we just going to make picks by posting in this thread? So we should all just convene here at 3PM ET tomorrow?

6 PM ET. Chat room. The summary of the draft will be updated here so have 2 tabs of Spurstalk, one for the chat room, the other one for this thread.

[8FOR!3]

Just send in your picks, preferably 8 players, for each pick to me, I will help you make your pick.

Thank you, just did.

[Vic Petro]

Good morning! Trade agreed upon; submitting for league approval:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2fwxygz

Nuggs get:

#4 pick
Al Jefferson
Corey Brewer
Ryan Gomes

Wolves get:

Nuggs' 2011 2nd round pick
Renaldo Balkman
Aaron Afflalo
Carmelo Anthony

[Chieflion]

Good morning! Trade agreed upon; submitting for league approval:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2fwxygz

Nuggs get:

#4 pick
Al Jefferson
Corey Brewer
Ryan Gomes

Wolves get:

Nuggs' 2011 2nd round pick
Renaldo Balkman
Aaron Afflalo
Carmelo Anthony
Yep, power shift in the Western Conference.

[Chieflion]

A blockbuster deal a few hours before the draft.

The Nuggets and Timberwolves have agreed on a deal that has been approved. The Nuggets will send 3-time All-Star, Carmelo Anthony to the Timberwolves for Al Jefferson and the 4th pick of the 2010 NBA draft. The rest of the trade includes Corey Brewer and Ryan Gomes of the Wolves, Renaldo Balkman and Aaron Afflalo of the Nuggets, who will swap teams. The Timberwolves also receive an unprotected 2011 2nd round pick.

[mudyez]

how are we handling the trades, that need to have the FA's beeing FA's already? are we waiting for the first of july to do them?

[mudyez]

A blockbuster deal a few hours before the draft.

The Nuggets and Timberwolves have agreed on a deal that has been approved. The Nuggets will send 3-time All-Star, Carmelo Anthony to the Timberwolves for Al Jefferson and the 4th pick of the 2010 NBA draft. The rest of the trade includes Corey Brewer and Ryan Gomes of the Wolves, Renaldo Balkman and Aaron Afflalo of the Nuggets, who will swap teams. The Timberwolves also receive an unprotected 2011 2nd round pick.

wow...although I have to say, that the trade is ok, I dont see it happening in real life (especially coz the Timberwolves get Melo, which wouldnt stay for long, while including a high draftpick and not e.g. the rights to Rubio, to solve their PG-lockdown)

but I guess, thats just like those games work: every GM is new to his team and like in real life, mist new GM's or owners have a different idea of their product, than their predecessor. (its not like I'm not tradehappier, than SAC should be)

btw.: dont know, if I mentioned it, but Noce or Udrih can be had for low 1strounders or upper half 2ndrounders! :downspin:

[Chieflion]

how are we handling the trades, that need to have the FA's beeing FA's already? are we waiting for the first of july to do them?

Yes. 1st July. A prime example would be Richard Jefferson's ETO clause.

[TimDunkem]

Any team willing to trade or sell a late first rounder, or even a second rounder? Get back at me.

[Vic Petro]

Chief - I'm having trouble getting the chat room to load. Gonna have to send you a list for each pick during the draft, if that's cool.

[JamStone]

About 35 minutes to go from my watch.

I'm home and I'll be available to make picks if anyone last minute needs their picks to be made.

[JamStone]

Ummm I logged into chat but didn't see anything and couldn't type anything...

I'll keep trying but if it doesn't work, can I make my pick in this thread?

[Chieflion]

Draft selection.

1. Washington Wizards - John Wall
2. Philadelphia 76ers - Derrick Favors (Mistake here)
3. New Jersey Nets - Evan Turner
4. Denver Nuggets - Wesley Johnson
5. Sacramento Kings - DeMarcus Cousins (Traded to Portland Trail Blazers)
6. Golden State Warriors - Greg Monroe
7. Detroit Pistons - Ekpe Udoh
8. Los Angeles Clippers - Al-Farouq Aminu
9. Utah Jazz - Ed Davis
10. Indiana Pacers - Patrick Patterson
11. New Orleans Hornets - Paul George
12. Memphis Grizzlies - Luke Babbitt
13. Toronto Raptors - Larry Sanders (Traded to OKC Thunder)
14. Houston Rockets - Xavier Henry
15. Milwaukee Bucks - Cole Aldrich (Auto-pick)
16. Minnesota Timberwolves - Gordon Hayward
17. Chicago Bulls - James Anderson
18. Miami Heat - Devin Ebanks
19. Boston Celtics - Avery Bradley
20. San Antonio Spurs - Damion James
21. Oklahoma City Thunder - Eric Bledsoe
22. Portland Trail Blazers - Hassan Whiteside (Traded to New Orleans)
23. Minnesota Timberwolves - Daniel Orton
24. Atlanta Hawks - Quincy Pondexter
25. Memphis Grizzlies - Elli0t Williams
26. Oklahoma City Thunder - Tibor Pleiss
27. New Jersey Nets - Greivis Vasquez
28. Memphis Grizzlies - Darington Hobson
29. Orlando Magic - Domnique Jones
30. Washington Wizards - Stanley Robinson

31. New Jersey Nets - Solomon Alabi
32. Oklahoma City Thunder - Terrico White
33. Sacramento Kings - Craig Brackins
34. Golden State Warriors - Lance Stephenson
35. Washington Wizards - Willie Warren
36. Detroit Pistons - Gani Lawal
37. Milwaukee Bucks - Armon Johnson
38. New York Knicks - Miroslav Raduljica
39. New York Knicks - Alexey Shved
40. San Antonio Spurs - Jordan Crawford (49th + Malik Hairston)
41. Miami Heat - Mikhail Torrance
42. Miami Heat - Sherron Collins
43. Los Angeles Lakers- Jerome Randle
44. Portland Trail Blazers- Paulao Prestes
45. Minnesota Timberwolves - Jarvis Varnado
46. Phoenix Suns - Derrick Caracter
47. Milwaukee Bucks - Nemanja Bjelica
48. Miami Heat - Jerome Jordan
49. Indiana Pacers - Thomas Huertel (40th)
50. Dallas Mavericks - Sylven Landesberg
51. Oklahoma City Thunder - Hamady N'Diaye (Traded to Toronto Raptors)
52. Boston Celtics - Brian Zoubek
53. Atlanta Hawks - Denis Clemente
54. Los Angeles Clippers- Artsiom Parakhouski
55. Utah Jazz - DaSean Butler
56. Minnesota Timberwolves - Charles Garcia
57. Indiana Pacers - Pietro Aradori
58. Los Angeles Lakers - Luke Harangody
59. Orlando Magic - Ben Uzoh
60. Phoenix Suns - Ryan Richards (Traded to Detroit Pistons for 1 million)

[AFBlue]

Mine doesn't work either...thanks for the update.

[SenorSpur]

I'm having the same trouble. Can't get into the chat room.

Can we relay our picks via this thread?

[Chieflion]

I'm having the same trouble. Can't get into the chat room.

Can we relay our picks via this thread?

Okay.

[Blackjack]

Be careful with that chat if you've got to download the Java, people.

I picked up a script error virus (or some such) on two separate computers trying to download from there to use the chat.

[Chieflion]

Chief - I'm having trouble getting the chat room to load. Gonna have to send you a list for each pick during the draft, if that's cool.

Ya, where you now?

[Vic Petro]

Ya, where you now?

Hey I'm here but can't get into the chat room

[SenorSpur]

Okay.

Chief, I'm gonna send my picks to you via PM.

Just sent you 2 PMs containing both 1st and 2nd round picks.

[Vic Petro]

Anyone know what pick we are on?

[Vic Petro]

Draft selection.

Washington Wizards - John Wall
Philadelphia 76ers - Derrick Favors (Mistake here)
New Jersey Nets - Evan Turner
Denver Nuggets - Wesley Johnson
Sacramento Kings -DeMarcus Cousins (Traded to Portland Trail Blazers)
Golden State Warriors - Greg Monroe
Detroit Pistons - Ekpe Udoh
Los Angeles Clippers - Al-Farouq Aminu
Utah Jazz - Ed Davis
Indiana Pacers - Patrick Patterson
New Orleans Hornets - Paul George
Memphis Grizzlies - Luke Babbitt
Toronto Raptors - Larry Sanders (Traded to OKC Thunder)
Houston Rockets - Xavier Henry
Milwaukee Bucks - Cole Aldrich (Auto-pick)
Minnesota Timberwolves - Gordon Hayward
Chicago Bulls - James Anderson
Miami Heat - Devin Ebanks
Boston Celtics - Avery Bradley
San Antonio Spurs - Damion James
Oklahoma City Thunder - Eric Bledsoe
Portland Trail Blazers - Hassan Whiteside (Traded to New Orleans)
Minnesota Timberwolves - Daniel Orton
Atlanta Hawks - Quincy Pondexter

Sorry just realized things were being updated here. Chief I'll be in the main thread for the remainder of the draft if you need my picks for 45 and 56.

[SenorSpur]

I would, but I don't have much extra time right now. I've got a 10 week old Boston Terrier that is keeping pretty tied up(crate training).

oooh. Pet carrier and potty pads will become your best friend.

Good luck.

[Vic Petro]

That's crazy that Crawford lasted that long. Another 2nd round steal for the Spurs!

[Chieflion]

Chief? What the hell? I sent you a PM telling you I wanted to draft Turner?

Muser sent me a PM that said Favors.....

[Muser]

I only forwaded what I was sent, don't shoot the messenger.

[Mel_13]

Collusion!!!

[Chieflion]

Thats my bad. I made a mock several days ago that had myself taking Favors at 2, but I sent you a PM this morning taking Turner

So how do I settle this?

[SenorSpur]

We probably should have done a conference call. :lol

[ajballer4]

Good draft everybody

[Dex]

You're all doomed now. Henry 2011 Finals MVP!

[DesignatedT]

You're all doomed now. Henry 2011 Finals MVP!

We all know who the steal of the draft was.........

[LnGrrrR]

Ha! I'm actually quite pleased with the Zoubek pick! I was unavailable to draft due to work, and was kinda hoping he'd fall to the Celts. We obviously need rebounding, and I think we can teach him to play defense.

And heck, he can't be any worse at layups than the rest of our team.

Avery Bradley is a good pickup as well; we needed some more 3 pt shooting range (considering Ray's free agent status), and he seems like a good defender. Now I just have to look into picking up a young-ish SF to let Pierce rest this season.

[Dex]

We all know who the steal of the draft was.........

The Year of Ebanks is upon us :wow:wow:wow

[Vic Petro]

Good job everyone. Daniel Orton is the next Mark Eaton. :lol

[Vic Petro]

And big thanks to Chieflion for what I'm sure was a major pain in the ass running the thing.

[Chieflion]

Guys, I think Kevin Seraphin just went undrafted. Damn!

[Vic Petro]

Guys, I think Kevin Seraphin just went undrafted. Damn!

Dibs! I'll give back my Charles Garcia pick! :blah

Also would like to extend a public invitation to Andy Rautins to come join our camp in Minnesota.

[Dex]

Guys, I think Kevin Seraphin just went undrafted. Damn!

:wow

Should've bought that 60th pick.

[DesignatedT]

The Year of Ebanks is upon us :wow:wow:wow

this.

:lol

[TimDunkem]

If I knew he wasn't picked...Sorry Ryan Richards. :(

[DynastyBuilder]

Guys, I think Kevin Seraphin just went undrafted. Damn!

Did Toronto make their pick at 51?

[Chieflion]

Did Toronto make their pick at 51?

Technically, Hamady N'Diaye. Gave them a shot blocking presence.

[blkroadrunners]

Dibs! I'll give back my Charles Garcia pick! :blah

Also would like to extend a public invitation to Andy Rautins to come join our camp in Minnesota.


F*ck Vic Petro, you just had to draft Hayward right before my pick. :nope

Oh well, James Anderson was 2nd on my list. Thanks Chieflion. I'm listening to any offers (mainly looking at the FA). However, a deal involving Rose and Noah are moderately difficult.

[LnGrrrR]

I think I'll be looking at converting Avery to SG, and keeping Nate at PG for a high-energy small-ball team off the bench.

[Chieflion]

Guys, I will try to update the FA class, team options, player options and such by July 1st. If you know you have a team option to sign off on and such, please get back to me.

[lurker23]

For those of you who weren't in the chat, here are the complete details of the draft day deal between the Raptors and Thunder:

Toronto receives:
Eric Maynor, Thabo Sefolosha, Byron (B.J.) Mullens, and the rights to the #51 pick Hamady N'Diaye

Oklahoma City receives:
Marco Belinelli, Marcus Banks, and the rights to the #13 pick Larry Sanders

[Chieflion]

To the respective teams, please confirm with me the details of the trades gone down on draft day and July 1st. These are the following.

Draft day deals gone down:

1. Raptors receive Eric Maynor, Thabo Sefolosha, B.J Mullens, rights to Hamady N'Diaye
Thunder receive Marco Belinelli, Marcus Banks, rights to #13 pick Larry Sanders.

2. Pacers receive 49th pick and Malik Hairston.
Spurs receive 40th pick.

3. Spurs receive rights to Paulao Prestes, Blazers 2011 1st rounder and 1 million.
Blazers receive rights to Jordan Crawford.

4. New Orleans Hornets receive Caron Butler.
Dallas Mavericks receive Emeka Okafor and Marcus Thornton.

5. Miami Heat receives 3 million.
Detroit Pistons receive 48th pick.

What I want to know is mostly the protection of the future picks you send out and both teams must agree. And, I think I forgot some trades. Please post them here as an announcement.

[Chieflion]

What about 76ers trade Derrick Favors to New Jersey for Evan Turner??!!

Dude, we both made a mistake. Chill out. I will go work something out.

[rayray2k8]

Damn, I missed the draft.. was working.

[Chieflion]

Damn, I missed the draft.. was working.

I am sure I didn't draft that bad for you. you okay with the picks?

[8FOR!3]

I'm good with what you got me, I really wanted Miroslav Raduljica, so I'm glad I got him. Very talented bigman on the offensive end. Good ballhandler and while he doesn't have a mid range jumper dead on yet, it's something he can and likely will develop. He's everything New York needed (but at that point didn't expect) Darko to be.

Alexey Shved is definitely a project, but he's not a waste of space like Sergio Rodriguez. Got a lot of upside with this kid, great passer and while he's nothing more than a backup point guard or third string his rookie year, I've got tons of upside with him.
If I don't hit the jackpot with LeBron and Amar'e/Bosh, then I'll be able to give him some good minutes and the dude would be a star within three years. He needs playing time desperately right now, has all the talent in the world, just needs some more experience.

[Chieflion]

the sacramento kings send
pick #5 in the upcoming draft+ Donte Greene
to portland for
Nicolas Batum + Jarryd Bayless + Jeff Pendergraph + the rights to Victor Claver

Can only work on July 8th, as is the rest of the deals I said was on July 1st. I believe July 8th is the time when they announce the salary cap, MLE and such. So, we can only wait. For now, just figure out your roster salary and if you want to, do some trades.

[TimDunkem]

Pistons bought the 41st, 48th, and 60th picks.

[L.I.T]

Just wanted to say thanks to Chieflion for handling the GSW picks.

About what I had hoped for; a solid multi-faceted big and a big guard with some natural scoring tools, handles and explosion.

[mudyez]

Can only work on July 8th, as is the rest of the deals I said was on July 1st. I believe July 8th is the time when they announce the salary cap, MLE and such. So, we can only wait. For now, just figure out your roster salary and if you want to, do some trades.

ok

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Sorry I couldn't make it yesterday, I was out of town for college issues. Thanks to whoever covered for me.

[Killakobe81]

Draft selection.

1. Washington Wizards - John Wall
2. Philadelphia 76ers - Derrick Favors (Mistake here)
3. New Jersey Nets - Evan Turner
4. Denver Nuggets - Wesley Johnson
5. Sacramento Kings - DeMarcus Cousins (Traded to Portland Trail Blazers)
6. Golden State Warriors - Greg Monroe
7. Detroit Pistons - Ekpe Udoh
8. Los Angeles Clippers - Al-Farouq Aminu
9. Utah Jazz - Ed Davis
10. Indiana Pacers - Patrick Patterson
11. New Orleans Hornets - Paul George
12. Memphis Grizzlies - Luke Babbitt
13. Toronto Raptors - Larry Sanders (Traded to OKC Thunder)
14. Houston Rockets - Xavier Henry
15. Milwaukee Bucks - Cole Aldrich (Auto-pick)
16. Minnesota Timberwolves - Gordon Hayward
17. Chicago Bulls - James Anderson
18. Miami Heat - Devin Ebanks
19. Boston Celtics - Avery Bradley
20. San Antonio Spurs - Damion James
21. Oklahoma City Thunder - Eric Bledsoe
22. Portland Trail Blazers - Hassan Whiteside (Traded to New Orleans)
23. Minnesota Timberwolves - Daniel Orton
24. Atlanta Hawks - Quincy Pondexter
25. Memphis Grizzlies - Elli0t Williams
26. Oklahoma City Thunder - Tibor Pleiss
27. New Jersey Nets - Greivis Vasquez
28. Memphis Grizzlies - Darington Hobson
29. Orlando Magic - Domnique Jones
30. Washington Wizards - Stanley Robinson

31. New Jersey Nets - Solomon Alabi
32. Oklahoma City Thunder - Terrico White
33. Sacramento Kings - Craig Brackins
34. Golden State Warriors - Lance Stephenson
35. Washington Wizards - Willie Warren
36. Detroit Pistons - Gani Lawal
37. Milwaukee Bucks - Armon Johnson
38. New York Knicks - Miroslav Raduljica
39. New York Knicks - Alexey Shved
40. San Antonio Spurs - Jordan Crawford (49th + Malik Hairston)
41. Miami Heat - Mikhail Torrance
42. Miami Heat - Sherron Collins
43. Los Angeles Lakers- Jerome Randle
44. Portland Trail Blazers- Paulao Prestes
45. Minnesota Timberwolves - Jarvis Varnado
46. Phoenix Suns - Derrick Caracter
47. Milwaukee Bucks - Nemanja Bjelica
48. Miami Heat - Jerome Jordan
49. Indiana Pacers - Thomas Huertel (40th)
50. Dallas Mavericks - Sylven Landesberg
51. Oklahoma City Thunder - Hamady N'Diaye (Traded to Toronto Raptors)
52. Boston Celtics - Brian Zoubek
53. Atlanta Hawks - Denis Clemente
54. Los Angeles Clippers- Artsiom Parakhouski
55. Utah Jazz - DaSean Butler
56. Minnesota Timberwolves - Charles Garcia
57. Indiana Pacers - Pietro Aradori
58. Los Angeles Lakers - Luke Harangody
59. Orlando Magic - Ben Uzoh
60. Phoenix Suns - Ryan Richards (Traded to Detroit Pistons for 1 million)


Sory i couldnt make it in ...

Not bad picks I don't love 'em or hate 'em ...but what would I expect with low 2nd rounders?

[JamStone]

This is just an idea.

But as far as free agents go, you think that someone (I figure Chieflion is doing a lot already) who isn't participating in the game as a GM wouldn't mind as acting as the "sports agent" for free agent players and he/she takes offers and does the negotiations for the free agents? Maybe even just open a new account (hopefully Kori would immediately approve) for that sole purpose.

I figure this does a couple of things. It condenses all free agent negotiations to one source/one account to make it a pretty organized way of doing it. It also helps keep these negotiations somewhat secret. So GMs don't know who is negotiation with which players and what kinds of offers they're talking about. It can also make for interesting dynamics in free agency.

For example, say hypothetically with everyone worried about the LeBrons and Wades and Amares in free agency, I target a guy like David Lee. I PM the "sports agent" with a simple offer of the MLE and no one knows about it. David Lee is forgotten by everyone else and that's the only offer. If he gets tired of waiting for other offers, maybe at some point he accepts it. I figure that way a GM who strikes out with Amare and Bosh and has to go to secondary options would then go to guys like David Lee. But if I already wrapped up a negotiation to sign him, they might be too late. I think it adds a little more strategy to free agency. David Lee might not be a great example because there should be several GMs that at least try to start talks with him, but maybe some lesser known players might be acquired at bargain deals.

There are a couple of guys I'd be targeting (I only have the MLE and LLE at my disposal) who I think most GMs aren't even going to think about. But if open negotiations out in the open, maybe another GM says, "hey, I forgot about that player, I'd like to negotiate with him too."

I don't know how free agency was going to go down, but that's just an idea I'm throwing out there.

[Dex]

Chief,

As I've been working on my writeup, I was wondering: Do you want us to send you a sort-of wish list of Free Agents? Or are we just waiting until Free Agency opens and then sending in our offers individually?

[disciple]

This is just an idea.

But as far as free agents go, you think that someone (I figure Chieflion is doing a lot already) who isn't participating in the game as a GM wouldn't mind as acting as the "sports agent" for free agent players and he/she takes offers and does the negotiations for the free agents? Maybe even just open a new account (hopefully Kori would immediately approve) for that sole purpose.

I figure this does a couple of things. It condenses all free agent negotiations to one source/one account to make it a pretty organized way of doing it. It also helps keep these negotiations somewhat secret. So GMs don't know who is negotiation with which players and what kinds of offers they're talking about. It can also make for interesting dynamics in free agency.

For example, say hypothetically with everyone worried about the LeBrons and Wades and Amares in free agency, I target a guy like David Lee. I PM the "sports agent" with a simple offer of the MLE and no one knows about it. David Lee is forgotten by everyone else and that's the only offer. If he gets tired of waiting for other offers, maybe at some point he accepts it. I figure that way a GM who strikes out with Amare and Bosh and has to go to secondary options would then go to guys like David Lee. But if I already wrapped up a negotiation to sign him, they might be too late. I think it adds a little more strategy to free agency. David Lee might not be a great example because there should be several GMs that at least try to start talks with him, but maybe some lesser known players might be acquired at bargain deals.

There are a couple of guys I'd be targeting (I only have the MLE and LLE at my disposal) who I think most GMs aren't even going to think about. But if open negotiations out in the open, maybe another GM says, "hey, I forgot about that player, I'd like to negotiate with him too."

I don't know how free agency was going to go down, but that's just an idea I'm throwing out there.


I venture to say that the free agent guru will not allow a lesser free agent sign early because in real life they will be waiting for the big names to get done so that the teams that do not get them can offer more money to them.

[mountainballer]

This is just an idea.

But as far as free agents go, you think that someone (I figure Chieflion is doing a lot already) who isn't participating in the game as a GM wouldn't mind as acting as the "sports agent" for free agent players and he/she takes offers and does the negotiations for the free agents? Maybe even just open a new account (hopefully Kori would immediately approve) for that sole purpose.

I figure this does a couple of things. It condenses all free agent negotiations to one source/one account to make it a pretty organized way of doing it. It also helps keep these negotiations somewhat secret. So GMs don't know who is negotiation with which players and what kinds of offers they're talking about. It can also make for interesting dynamics in free agency.

For example, say hypothetically with everyone worried about the LeBrons and Wades and Amares in free agency, I target a guy like David Lee. I PM the "sports agent" with a simple offer of the MLE and no one knows about it. David Lee is forgotten by everyone else and that's the only offer. If he gets tired of waiting for other offers, maybe at some point he accepts it. I figure that way a GM who strikes out with Amare and Bosh and has to go to secondary options would then go to guys like David Lee. But if I already wrapped up a negotiation to sign him, they might be too late. I think it adds a little more strategy to free agency. David Lee might not be a great example because there should be several GMs that at least try to start talks with him, but maybe some lesser known players might be acquired at bargain deals.

There are a couple of guys I'd be targeting (I only have the MLE and LLE at my disposal) who I think most GMs aren't even going to think about. But if open negotiations out in the open, maybe another GM says, "hey, I forgot about that player, I'd like to negotiate with him too."

I don't know how free agency was going to go down, but that's just an idea I'm throwing out there.

great idea. I would also limit the time for the agent to decide. (if we do it over the whole summer, this game will lose a lot of interest). what about 1 week?

[DynastyBuilder]

Chieflion - OKC will be waiving Kyle Weaver as his contract becomes guaranteed after June 30.

[Chieflion]

Chieflion - OKC will be waiving Kyle Weaver as his contract becomes guaranteed after June 30.

Okay.


Yep. To all teams, this is an announcement. If you want to exercise your team options and extend qualifying offers for your restricted free agents, please submit them by June 30th. Please send in your offers for free agents individually, of course, money is an issue.

[Chieflion]

Rumor mill: Portland Trail Blazers look to add veteran PG to the roster

The Portland Trail Blazers look talented on paper, but they lack a back-up PG. Sources have been leaked out that the Blazers look to add one through free agency using their Mid-Level Exception. Possible targets are Jannero Pargo and Chris Duhon.

Blockbuster trade agreed in principle, to be completed by July 1st.

Top flight PG, Chris Paul would be playing in a new uniform once Joel Pryzbilla does not exercise his Early-Termination Option, this deal would be broken if Pryzbilla opts out. The Portland Trail Blazers would acquire Chris Paul, David West and Julian Wright for LaMarcus Aldridge, Joel Przybilla, Andre Miller, Rudy Fernandez, Dante Cunningham, 22nd pick draft rights and cash considerations.

Joe Johnson favors Hawks, Bulls, Knicks and Clippers.

Joe Johnson is one of the few premiere NBA free agents in 2010 and has narrowed down his choices to the Hawks, Bulls, Knicks and Clippers. He wants to be a main piece to one of these teams' puzzle. If he does want to get out of Atlanta, he wishes to seek a S&T to get the extra contract year and raises each year.

[lurker23]

As has been mentioned before, the Raptors are willing to listen to sign and trade offers for Chris Bosh. Wherever Bosh says he wants to go, something can probably be worked out.

In addition to putting teams over the cap in the hunt for Bosh, this can also work out for teams under the cap, as they can sign free agents with their cap space, then use existing contracts to get Bosh. However, if this is a road you want to go down, you may want to talk with the Raptors GM (me) once Bosh tells you he's truly interested, so that we can be sure that we can come to an agreement.

[8FOR!3]

Mike D'Antoni released a statement today regarding Joe Johnson.

"Fuck me hard, Chicago can have Joe Johnson, give us LeBron."

D'Antoni then got on his knees and begged LeBron to sign with New York, he couldn't be reached for further comment

[Chieflion]

Report: Yao Ming opts in, Dirk Nowitzki opts out.

2 premiere big men in the Texas Triangle made 2 different decisions going into next season. Yao Ming, with his injury concerns uncertain, opts in while Dirk Nowitzki opts out. Nowitzki hopes to re-construct his contract with the Dallas Mavericks, hoping that the team would still try to contend for a championship.

Report: Richard Jefferson decides not to exercise his ETO.
After a poor season in San Antonio, Richard Jefferson decides to opt in for his final year on his contract.

Paul Pierce decides to opt out, hopes for long term contract.

Paul Pierce opts out, hopes for long term financial security.

[DynastyBuilder]

OKC is contacting Marcus Banks' agent about a possible buyout on the final year of his contract and has renounced the rights to Mustafa Shakur making him an unrestricted free agent.

[Vic Petro]

Minnesota renounces rights to Nathan Jawai and Greg Stiemsma, making them free agents.

[Chieflion]

The painfully obvious
All 3 of LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh opt out of their contracts. The 2-time MVP, LeBron James left the Eastern Conference Semi-Finals searching for answers. After a thrilling 7 years, surpassing his hype, LeBron James is going to make the biggest decision of his career as the biggest prize of the 2010 free agency class, the most stacked ever. He wants to win now and he has the choice to decide his legacy.

Dwyane Wade has also opted out, but he expressed his desire to stay in Miami, on the basis that he gets a championship caliber roster behind him. At age 29, Wade's career is at a crossroads, he has one championship and looks to add more to his hardware. Dwyane Wade has not made it out of the first round since 2006.

Chris Bosh opted out as well, expressing that he wants to win, and wants to be a main piece to winning a championship. After a disappointing season for the Raptors, Bosh has all but expressed his desire to leave the city of Toronto for greener pastures, a bigger stage, a chance to play in the post-season, a chance to advance. Chris Bosh became the only Raptor to reach the 10,000 point plateau and surpassed Vince Carter for the franchise scoring leader this past season. Last but not least, enjoy this mix of Chris Bosh, although the mix is quite a little upsetting as we watch the last highlights as we watch Bosh's most possibly, his last season in Toronto.

ACW89S4q-yw

[Muser]

Anybody got a full list of free agents this year?

[Chieflion]

Anybody got a full list of free agents this year?

I think you can find the full list of free agents on NBA's official webpage on July 1st or you can go to shamsports.

[Muser]

Ah nevermind, http://www.nba.com/freeagents/2010/

[Muser]

How many Max contracts can I offer? I'm still reading up on this whole cap stuff.

[Chieflion]

How many Max contracts can I offer? I'm still reading up on this whole cap stuff.

I think you can sign one max player with the projected cap space you have. Can you send me your roster and the breakdown of the team salary?

[Chieflion]

Announcement: Players only make your roster if they are eligible to make a roster, no stashed players like Tiago Splitter until they are ready to come over.

[ajballer4]

Announcement: Players only make your roster if they are eligible to make a roster, no stashed players like Tiago Splitter until they are ready to come over.

How do I know when they are "ready to come over"? Do I just offer a contract and you'll make the press release?

[JamStone]

Did Peja opt in? Did Darius Songaila opt in?

I'm assuming yes for both, but want verification.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Did Peja opt in? Did Darius Songaila opt in?

I'm assuming yes for both, but want verification.

Yep. ESPN Free Agents list takes care of all that.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-10-11

[Dex]

Well, at least I'm guaranteed one All-Star. :lol

...barring injuries. :shootme

[DynastyBuilder]

Oklahoma City's Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant show up at the home of John Salmon to recruit his services.

[disciple]

We are all up waiting on the news from the brass.

[mudyez]

I'm listening to sign and trade offers, in order to aquire trade exceptions for the other team!

[8FOR!3]

Is Richard Jefferson available as a free agent for this? If so he's high on the Knicks wishlist if
LeBron's not coming over, as is Amar'e, Dirk, and Bosh

[Dex]

Is Richard Jefferson available as a free agent for this? If so he's high on the Knicks wishlist if
LeBron's not coming over, as is Amar'e, Dirk, and Bosh

I believe RJ opted in for purposes of the game.


Report: Richard Jefferson decides not to exercise his ETO.
After a poor season in San Antonio, Richard Jefferson decides to opt in for his final year on his contract.

[Vic Petro]

Did the Heat retain rights to Joel Anthony in our league?

[Chieflion]

I believe RJ opted in for purposes of the game.

Bah, no. I saw that ESPN report and quickly just reported here. He opted out.

And to Minnesota, Joe Johnson finds your offer insulting. Seriously, who the hell offers a base contract these days?

[Dex]

Bah, no. I saw that ESPN report and quickly just reported here. He opted out.

And to Minnesota, Joe Johnson finds your offer insulting. Seriously, who the hell offers a base contract these days?

My bad. I assumed since it had already been reported, we were going with that, but understandable.

[DynastyBuilder]

Nick Collison is on the trade block, 1 year remaining at 6.75m. If anyone would like to make an offer please send me a PM me. Thank you.

[Vic Petro]

Bah, no. I saw that ESPN report and quickly just reported here. He opted out.

And to Minnesota, Joe Johnson finds your offer insulting. Seriously, who the hell offers a base contract these days?

Dear Joe Johnson,

Fuck off.

Thanks,

Minnesota

[8FOR!3]

I wanna offer RJ a contract then...Unless LeBron signs of course.

LeBron James
Wilson Chandler

and I would be set for years at SF.

[ajballer4]

so to get this straight, RJ opted OUT?

[8FOR!3]

Yeahh he did.

[ajballer4]

Damn. I had read the one that said he opted, which made my job 1000 times easier

[mudyez]

wouldn't it be nice, if "our" LeBron come out Thursday at 8pm ET to anounce his decition?

[Chieflion]

wouldn't it be nice, if "our" LeBron come out Thursday at 8pm ET to anounce his decition?

Good lord, only a few people have actually sent in their free agency stuff. Really hard to keep people focused these days.

[mudyez]

Good lord, only a few people have actually sent in their free agency stuff. Really hard to keep people focused these days.

that shockes me!

I thought at least the big names should have proposals from the spending teams on their table!

[8FOR!3]

Wait, how do I send you a contract proposal? If you'd explain that'd be great because that something I want to do for multiple players

[mudyez]

Wait, how do I send you a contract proposal? If you'd explain that'd be great because that something I want to do for multiple players

but be carefull not to make more proposals than your wallet can affort!

[DynastyBuilder]

OKC will extend the same offer Durant agreed to earlier today.

[Vic Petro]

Minnesota also offering Carmelo a max contract extension.

[disciple]

Good lord, only a few people have actually sent in their free agency stuff. Really hard to keep people focused these days.

Did you get mine?

[AFBlue]

Good lord, only a few people have actually sent in their free agency stuff. Really hard to keep people focused these days.

Sent you mine on my main RFA, Rudy Gay.

[8FOR!3]

I wanna offer LeBron a max contract and a max to whoever he wants (Bosh/Wade/Amar'e.)

If I can't get LeBron, I'd like to offer something to Richard Jefferson (I'd also as Mike D'Antoni, like to shoot myself.)

[Chieflion]

Rudy Gay accepts Grizzlies offer and O.J Mayo kills himself.

Salary cap is set at 58 million. MLE is set at 5.7 million as per recent updates. I believe.

[disciple]

Rudy Gay accepts Grizzlies offer and O.J Mayo kills himself.

Salary cap is set at 58 million. MLE is set at 5.7 million as per recent updates. I believe.

What was the offer from Memphis?

[AFBlue]

What was the offer from Memphis?

Per team policy, contracts terms are not disclosed.

Just kidding...:lol

GM AFBlue said in a statement "I'm proud to announce a 5yr, $65M deal that will keep Rudy as a key member of the Grizzlies for the forseeable future. We really feel like he has the talent and upside you can build around and are excited to have a player of his calibur as he enters the prime of his career."

The deal starts at $10.5M/yr and escalates at roughly 10.5% each successive year.

[mudyez]

official announcement:

Blazer and Kings have agreed to a trade that sends:

Batum, Bayless, Pendergraph and the draft rights to Victor Claver to Kings
for
rights to DeMarcus Cousins and Donte Greene to Blazers.

[mudyez]

tradeannouncement:

Beno Udrih is the new Lakers PG, while Sasha Vujacic now is abuse opponents in Sacremento!

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=ykowyw5

[Killakobe81]

tradeannouncement:

Beno Udrih is the new Lakers PG, while Sasha Vujacic now is abuse opponents in Sacremento!

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=ykowyw5

Back up PG ... but Im cutting all the dead weight in LA holla back if you want to deal ...

[mudyez]

Francisco Garcia

is on the trading block!

[DynastyBuilder]

Nick Collison is on the trading block as well.

[DynastyBuilder]

So are we going to find out about players we put offers out to or is the Be a GM game dead post-draft?

[Chieflion]

We need more people to send in their fucking offers.

[DynastyBuilder]

That shouldn't effect those of us who have though. If the FAs out there aren't "interested" thats one thing, but if we're holding up because we're waiting on other GMs when free agency negotiations started a week ago thats another.

[blkroadrunners]

Listening to offers involving Luol Deng.

[Chieflion]

That shouldn't effect those of us who have though. If the FAs out there aren't "interested" thats one thing, but if we're holding up because we're waiting on other GMs when free agency negotiations started a week ago thats another.

Last I checked, either most of you guys are lowballing the FAs, or they are waiting for better offers.

[DynastyBuilder]

Last I checked, either most of you guys are lowballing the FAs, or they are waiting for better offers.

that's information we need to know from our targets if we are to negotiate is it not?

[blkroadrunners]

Last I checked, either most of you guys are lowballing the FAs, or they are waiting for better offers.

I may have missed out, but how exactly does the free agency work? Do players sign w/ the team they have signed in real life or do we personally offer a certain amount to an individual on the board or something?

[mudyez]

Nuggets shopping Al Jefferson,Chauncey, K-Mart...Will consider others

Billups/Lawson
Corey Brewer/J.R. Smith
Wes Johnson/Gomes
Jefferson/KMart
NENE/Andersen

I think you have to wait 3 months until dealing Jefferson again!

[Chieflion]

I think you have to wait 3 months until dealing Jefferson again!

False. You can deal Al Jefferson without a package. Meaning, he can go alone.

[mudyez]

ok, thanks...learned something

[mudyez]

this thing is slowly dying and I dont know if the other GM's will make proposals anymore!

can you tell us, how many proposals there are already?

[Chieflion]

Guys like Redick, Duhon, Shannon Brown have gotten a proposal. I will post the details. Sasha Pavlovic and Diawara as well.

Dwyane Wade offered 5 year max contract from Timberwolves.

[mudyez]

nothing more?

no other bignames?

[mudyez]

nothing more?

no other bignames?

[Chieflion]

LeBron James is such a douchebag he gets no offers. Ya, seriously. Bosh is quite the douche too. Joe Johnson is the backup plan for the Wolves.

[mudyez]

Ok, then scrab all my proposals and hand Bosh a max deal!

(hey, I'm not even wanting Bron) :)

[8FOR!3]

So wait, who's even on the Knicks?

Toney Douglas/Alexey Shved
Bill Walker
Danilo Gallinari/Wilson Chandler
PF No one...
Miroslav Raduljica/Eddy Curry

So basically, everyone on the team is up for being traded other than Gallo and Raduljica.

That means Toney Douglas, Alexey Shved, Bill Walker, Wilson Chandler, and Eddy Curry are on the trade block. So is David Lee, I'm very much up to doing a sign and trade to get rid of him. The good news is when LeBron and Bosh or Amar'e sign with me, it's gonna be great. Now all I need to do is pray. Because without two of those guys I won't even be good enough to beat Euroleague teams. :king

LeBron James/Wilson Chandler
Amar'e Stoudamire/Danilo Gallinari

[8FOR!3]

I would like to make an offer to Carlos Arroyo for a minimum 1-year contract to play backup PG for me, still don't now what I'm going to do about starter. I'd also like to offer something for Channing Frye but idk how. :lol

This shit is over my head :toast

[lurker23]

LeBron James is such a douchebag he gets no offers. Ya, seriously. Bosh is quite the douche too. Joe Johnson is the backup plan for the Wolves.

Don't blame me, I don't have any cap space, and already offered Bosh the max. Maybe he's feeling so little love that he doesn't mind coming back to Toronto? :)

[8FOR!3]

Pfft, we all know LeBron wants to go make New York the best offense in the history of the NBA, it's gonna happen...

[mudyez]

Ok, then scrab all my proposals and hand Bosh a max deal!

(hey, I'm not even wanting Bron) :)

j/k

get me the guys I made proposals for :)

[disciple]

LeBron James is such a douchebag he gets no offers. Ya, seriously. Bosh is quite the douche too. Joe Johnson is the backup plan for the Wolves.

What do you mean? I offered both of the the Max.

[DynastyBuilder]

Last I checked, either most of you guys are lowballing the FAs, or they are waiting for better offers.

I have offered Tony Allen 1.5 million more than he signed for so I doubt I'm lowballing...

[mudyez]

hello?

[Chieflion]

Tony Allen signs with the Thunder. Like duh.

[mudyez]

at least something, that keeps the idea alive

[mountainballer]

Tony Allen signs with the Thunder. Like duh.

no words on other FAs?

[8FOR!3]

no words on other FAs?

Such as LeBron? Amar'e, Bosh, RJ

That crazy loud guy on BSPN just guaranteed LeBron's going to the Knicks so it must be true =o

[DynastyBuilder]

What could have been a good idea but no one is interested in following through and partcipating. Like duh.

[mudyez]

one question: how many rookies have been signed already?

just to check how many GM's even are interested in this thing after the draft!

[AFBlue]

Zach Randolph is officially on the block for the Memphis Grizzlies. He's a 20/10 machine on an expiring contract. I'm looking for a legit starting PG in return.

Unless you are offering a top-5 PG, I am not willing to part with Mayo, Gay or Gasol in the package.

PM me if you want to make an offer.

[8FOR!3]

Well shit, I'm signing LeBron James, tired of waiting on a decision, I made it for him. LeBron's a Knick kniggas.

[disciple]

Well shit, I'm signing LeBron James, tired of waiting on a decision, I made it for him. LeBron's a Knick kniggas.

Unfortunately(for you)you do not make that decision. We are all waiting patiently for either where the FA's are going or that this thing is dead.

[8FOR!3]

I didn't know I needed to put that in blue. Thought it was obvious.

[Chieflion]

Report: Dwyane Wade leans towards the Timberwolves.

Wade wants to win. And he wants to win now. The Timberwolves made huge changes by acquiring Carmelo Anthony from the Denver Nuggets and have the cap space to sign Wade to team up with Anthony in Minnesota. Wade mentioned that he "would like to team up with a great player" to compete for a championship whether it is with Miami or elsewhere.

Report: LeBron James contemplates between Bulls, Nets, Knicks, Cavs.

After planning for 2010, the Knicks think LeBron can bring them to the promised land. The question is, does LeBron want to go to New York? LeBron states that he wants a good supporting cast before he joins the team. LeBron stated that his main priority is to win.

[mudyez]

trade announcement:

Chicago trades
Luol Deng to Sacramento
for
Francisco Garcia + Andres Nocioni

[mudyez]

any news on my proposals? :(

[blkroadrunners]

trade announcement:

Chicago trades
Luol Deng to Sacramento
for
Francisco Garcia + Andres Nocioni

Confirmed.

[Chieflion]

David Lee signs with Sacramento Kings for 5 year, 72 million contract.

[8FOR!3]

I'm calling out Dwyane Wade on that, come to the big apple with LeBron.

SG Dwyane Wade - Toney Douglas - Alexey Shved
SF LeBron James - Wilson Chandler (6th Man)
PF Danilo Gallinari
C That center I drafted - Eddy Curry

I've got a championship core with that LeBron, it would be the most firepower offense D'Antoni's ever coached. Run and gun offensive team, these guys fit in my system much better than Chicago, Miami, does Minnesota even have a system?? =)

[Vic Petro]

I'm calling out Dwyane Wade on that, come to the big apple with LeBron.

SG Dwyane Wade - Toney Douglas - Alexey Shved
SF LeBron James - Wilson Chandler (6th Man)
PF Danilo Gallinari
C That center I drafted - Eddy Curry

I've got a championship core with that LeBron, it would be the most firepower offense D'Antoni's ever coached. Run and gun offensive team, these guys fit in my system much better than Chicago, Miami, does Minnesota even have a system?? =)

Actually, they run the triangle, and 2/3 of it is complete with Carmelo Anthony and Kevin Love. Wade would make this triangle every bit as formidable as Phil's 3 championship versions.

Not to mention Flynn who is a better PG than anyone on your roster. You don't even have LeBron yet. If Wade went to Minnesota they are instantly the biggest threat to the Lakers in the West, and have Phil's former right-hand man steering the ship. If Wade went to NYC he'd be stuck on the phone begging LeBreezy to join him.

[mudyez]

wow, this is SOOOO dead!!!

[cantthinkofanything]

wow, this is SOOOO dead!!!

You're right. I posted this on a different thread but I should have done it here.

Poll:

Which Maverick is the most likley to be gay?

[8FOR!3]

I'm pretty sure if nobody signed with the Knicks my team wouldn't even be a contender in Greece. Soo, this being dead didn't effect me sleeping at night :toast

[mudyez]

I'm pretty sure if nobody signed with the Knicks my team wouldn't even be a contender in Greece. Soo, this being dead didn't effect me sleeping at night :toast

I was pretty happy to get Lee...seconds later the whole thing dies :-(

[disciple]

Report: Dwyane Wade leans towards the Timberwolves.

Wade wants to win. And he wants to win now. The Timberwolves made huge changes by acquiring Carmelo Anthony from the Denver Nuggets and have the cap space to sign Wade to team up with Anthony in Minnesota. Wade mentioned that he "would like to team up with a great player" to compete for a championship whether it is with Miami or elsewhere.

Report: LeBron James contemplates between Bulls, Nets, Knicks, Cavs.

After planning for 2010, the Knicks think LeBron can bring them to the promised land. The question is, does LeBron want to go to New York? LeBron states that he wants a good supporting cast before he joins the team. LeBron stated that his main priority is to win.

The Nets have the big man, point, rookie and Bosh would join him.

[Chieflion]

Guys, I really wish we could continue with this, but the lack of continuity would force me to stop the progress of something that could be great.