You can keep your health care

[Wild Cobra]

If you are part of the lucky 49%

51% of Employees Cannot Keep Current Coverage Under New ‘Grandfathered’ Guarantee (http://www.texasinsider.org/?p=28360)

I have said when we debated this before, but libtards didn't believe me.

[Wild Cobra]

Conservatives were on top of it, but liberals believed the lies. It's hard to stomach Glen Beck, but this deserves to be seen:

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[ElNono]

The GOP can change it in 2013 when they win the next few elections...

[Wild Cobra]

The GOP can change it in 2013 when they win the next few elections...
It will be too late that far out. Conservatives need to win the 2010 elections. hart to stop a moving train once it gains speed.

[ElNono]

It will be too late that far out. Conservatives need to win the 2010 elections. hart to stop a moving train once it gains speed.

It's never too late for anything. If the train takes off then it means more people like it than people who do not, and thus the GOP will want no part in changing it.

On the other hand, if it truly sucks, there will be no problem changing it to something different.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Mid-range estimates show that 51% of all employees in 2013 will be in plans without “grandfathered” status as employers will be forced to change their plans.

So if the employer changes their plan to decrease benefits to offset costs then then the employer simply drops the plan. I guess then if you want bertter health coverage you could go work for a company who does have a health plan.


So it us up to the employer.. thanks for clearing that up WC..


(side note) it would suck if this did happen

[Wild Cobra]

So if the employer changes their plan to decrease benefits to offset costs then then the employer simply drops the plan. I guess then if you want bertter health coverage you could go work for a company who does have a health plan.


So it us up to the employer.. thanks for clearing that up WC..


(side note) it would suck if this did happen
There's no "IF" about it. It will happen.

[TeyshaBlue]

It's never too late for anything. If the train takes off then it means more people like it than people who do not, and thus the GOP will want no part in changing it.

On the other hand, if it truly sucks, there will be no problem changing it to something different.

Carter Glass and Henry B. Steagall would disagree.....

[George Gervin's Afro]

There's no "IF" about it. It will happen.

so they will drop the coverage. who is to blame?

[Wild Cobra]

so they will drop the coverage. who is to blame?
The people who voted for the laws that really don't grandfather old plans in. All plans will have to have specific minimums. This will drive the cost too high for some employers. They will be forced to drop employee coverage making their employees get the government plan.

[clambake]

The people who voted for the laws that really don't grandfather old plans in. All plans will have to have specific minimums. This will drive the cost too high for some employers. They will be forced to drop employee coverage making their employees get the government plan.

whats wrong with that?

[Wild Cobra]

whats wrong with that?
Everything. No point in explaining since you are against free market activities.

[clambake]

No point in explaining since you are against free market activities.

no wonder she left.

[George Gervin's Afro]

The people who voted for the laws that really don't grandfather old plans in. All plans will have to have specific minimums. This will drive the cost too high for some employers. They will be forced to drop employee coverage making their employees get the government plan.

What will stop other health providers from stepping and offering other options? Isn't that the free market system at work? who cabn provide the most at the cheapest rate? are telling me that these insurance companies would rather go out of business than not meet specific miniums? what other options do they have?

[boutons_deux]

"I read" where ATT spends $2.4B on employee health, but would be fined only $600M for dropping the health plan.

Get employers out of the health insurance loop, it's a historical anomaly going back to the 1940s.

Expand Medicare for all as buy in, as a strong public option, cancel the fricking exchanges.

simplify simplify simplify.

America is so fucked and is fucking itself more.

An AMA report this week said US blows $200B/year on insurance claims paperwork, with 20% of claims being in error.

[Wild Cobra]

What will stop other health providers from stepping and offering other options? Isn't that the free market system at work? who cabn provide the most at the cheapest rate? are telling me that these insurance companies would rather go out of business than not meet specific miniums? what other options do they have?
I see you flunked economics. Sorry, no time to explain right now. I'll leave it for now that as the requirements are raised, so does the cost. Insurance companies would go out of business if they charged less than they paid out.

[clambake]

this dumbass still believes insurance companies aren't reaping billions.

[George Gervin's Afro]

this dumbass still believes insurance companies aren't reaping billions.

WC says they will go out of business... I guess he flunked econ 101.. ( for which I scored the highest grade in my econ 1 & 2 classes).

[George Gervin's Afro]

I see you flunked economics. Sorry, no time to explain right now. I'll leave it for now that as the requirements are raised, so does the cost. Insurance companies would go out of business if they charged less than they paid out.

so what about the brand new market that is created? are these companies going to ignore this new market? the one that contains young people who rarely get sick..wouldn't that add to the bottom line?

[boutons_deux]

I agree somewhat with the insurance companies that the bulk of the costs are from medical inflation. But the insurance companies profits are still many $Bs on the back of sick people.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I agree somewhat with the insurance companies that the bulk of the costs are from medical inflation. But the insurance companies profits are still many $Bs on the back of sick people.

they kick the sick people off of their rolls.. I guess that is the free market at it's best.

[ElNono]

Carter Glass and Henry B. Steagall would disagree.....

The Fed (if that's what you're referring to) is supported by both parties. What WC is talking about is a health program that the GOP supposedly doesn't like or support.

So, when they get back in power, they can change it.

[jack sommerset]

Repeal The Bill And Start Over!

[Wild Cobra]

Repeal The Bill And Start Over!
no shit.

Think I should respond to Laurel and Hardy? They think the insurance industry can absorb the extra costs without raising premiums.

[clambake]

dipshit thinks insurance companies are broke.

[Wild Cobra]

The Fed (if that's what you're referring to) is supported by both parties. What WC is talking about is a health program that the GOP supposedly doesn't like or support.

So, when they get back in power, they can change it.
So what happens if the insurance industry is already damaged before they can change it?

[ElNono]

So what happens if the insurance industry is already damaged before they can change it?

- The article makes notice that the changes you mention take effect in 2013 (you did read the article you posted, right?)

- What kind of damage you expect insurance companies to have when citizens begin to be forced to contract their services merely a year later?

We can discuss grandfathered plans or the lack of them. This is a win-win to the insurance companies no matter which way you go. Unless there are any news, I'll probably be buying insurance co stock around that time.

[ElNono]

no shit.

Think I should respond to Laurel and Hardy? They think the insurance industry can absorb the extra costs without raising premiums and reducing billions in profits

fify

[Wild Cobra]

- The article makes notice that the changes you mention take effect in 2013 (you did read the article you posted, right?)

- What kind of damage you expect insurance companies to have when citizens begin to be forced to contract their services merely a year later?

We can discuss grandfathered plans or the lack of them. This is a win-win to the insurance companies no matter which way you go. Unless there are any news, I'll probably be buying insurance co stock around that time.
Parts of the legislation takes place sooner. Not only that, but businesses often plan years ahead. They may take proactive action and drop insurance early.

[ElNono]

Parts of the legislation takes place sooner. Not only that, but businesses often plan years ahead. They may take proactive action and drop insurance early.

And? Insurance companies are going to keep on insuring...

[Wild Cobra]

fify
Those billions in profit are not an excessive profit margin. There isn't enough profit to make up for added coverage. There is probably more room to remove taxation than there is to remove profit.

Do you believe corporations should not make a profit? Those billions are spread out over so many stock holders also.

Do you understand these things? the way you respond, I think not.

[Wild Cobra]

And? Insurance companies are going to keep on insuring...
You miss the point. legislation will require more coverage. The insurance companies will have to charge more to cover the extra liability. This will price insurance out of reach of many employers to offer to their employees.

[ElNono]

You miss the point. legislation will require more coverage. The insurance companies will have to charge more to cover the extra liability. This will price insurance out of reach of many employers to offer to their employees.

So?

[Wild Cobra]

So?
I see. You don't give a damn.

[ElNono]

I see. You don't give a damn.

Give a damn about what? I just don't see what's the actual problem.

One of the following will happen (just off the top of my head, I'm sure there will be more options out there)

- Insurance Co's will adjust their policies to make the price competitive again.
- Insurance Co's will insure employees directly

I don't see where the damage to Insurance Co is.

Not to mention that companies that decide to drop health plans will do so knowing full well they'll be at a competitive disadvantage.

Again, I don't really see what you're bickering about, exactly.

[Yonivore]

Meanwhile, in the model National Health Care System across the pond.

Woman died after being given smoker's lungs (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/woman-died-after-being-given-smokers-lungs-2000852.html)

[ElNono]

Those billions in profit are not an excessive profit margin. There isn't enough profit to make up for added coverage. There is probably more room to remove taxation than there is to remove profit.

Opinion.


Do you believe corporations should not make a profit? Those billions are spread out over so many stock holders also.

Strawman. Quote where I want corporations not to make a profit, please.


Do you understand these things? the way you respond, I think not.

Do you understand english? If you do, please stop attributing to me things I did not say. Maybe then you will understand me.

[ElNono]

Meanwhile, in the model National Health Care System across the pond.

Woman died after being given smoker's lungs (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/woman-died-after-being-given-smokers-lungs-2000852.html)

http://surgery.about.com/b/2010/06/15/patient-dies-after-receiving-smokers-lungs-as-transplant-why-smokers-lungs-should-be-use-in-transplantation-for-lung-transplant.htm

[clambake]

so....the dipshit that was raised on welfare.....and then stole money from unemployment... still thinks he has earned the right to speak. this is a socialist.

[Wild Cobra]

Do you understand english? If you do, please stop attributing to me things I did not say. Maybe then you will understand me.
I'm just wasting my time with you.

I pray the health care pushed on us by the democrats gets repealed, or dramatically changed. I most certainly do not want to prove you wrong when it will be devastating. The only way you will believe me is if happens, but I solidly trust it will happen as I said if the law remains.

[Winehole23]

Doom and gloom!

[George Gervin's Afro]

I'm just wasting my time with you.

I pray the health care pushed on us by the democrats gets repealed, or dramatically changed. I most certainly do not want to prove you wrong when it will be devastating. The only way you will believe me is if happens, but I solidly trust it will happen as I said if the law remains.

the sky is falling!!

[ElNono]

I'm just wasting my time with you.

I pray the health care pushed on us by the democrats gets repealed, or dramatically changed. I most certainly do not want to prove you wrong when it will be devastating. The only way you will believe me is if happens, but I solidly trust it will happen as I said if the law remains.

http://tbdetermined.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/whambulance.jpg

[rascal]

I'm just wasting my time with you.
I pray the health care pushed on us by the democrats gets repealed, or dramatically changed. I most certainly do not want to prove you wrong when it will be devastating. The only way you will believe me is if happens, but I solidly trust it will happen as I said if the law remains.

You lose.

[Wild Cobra]

You lose.
A fruitless win, but if you like them that way. I'll forfeit the battle because I am battle weary. This is a topic we discussed before without resolve. My ADD is kicking in. I still stand by my convictions, but I simply have no way to prove it without endless point by point discussions which I will not waste so much time on.

Again, I hope history doesn't prove my point, but that the only thing I see that will convince you fucking socialists. Maybe politicians or the courts overturn this. Maybe once the courts overturn mandating people buy a product, the rest will crumble.