Yahoo Sports: Perkins out for Game 7

[DJ Mbenga]

best nba insider says so
http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/16284360789

[Giuseppe]

The Lakers should drain Bynum over night one last time.

[Capt Bringdown]

Ladies and Gentlemen, your 2009/2010 NBA Champions, The Los Angeles Lakers.

[Giuseppe]

Ladies and Gentlemen, your 2009/2010 NBA Champions, The Los Angeles Lakers.

Good. Didn't even have to show up Thursday night.

Like shaved pussy.

[namlook]

Ladies and Gentlemen, your 2009/2010 NBA Champions, The Los Angeles Lakers.

Perkins playing wasn't going to stop the inevitable.

[kamikazi_player]

Seriously, I don't think this is a big loss. Yeah they lost another big, but I think starting Big baby and letting Wallace come off the bench would still produce a good amount. Then again, the only thing that the Celtics need to worry is being effective while playing small ball or have Sheldan Williams step up to produce in 5-7 minutes.

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Sheed seems to play better man defense on Gasol than anyone on the Celtics anyways. The refs just need to quit calling bullshit fouls on him. Plus him and big baby both seem to be more active on the glass and are bigger offensive threats. Celtics should still be able to pull it off, but it will most likely be a classic game down to the wire.

[Giuseppe]

So, Kam & Stretch, last night you lost because Perkins went down early on, but, now this morning his absence Thursday night will have no impact.

:rolleyes

[Trainwreck2100]

Sheed seems to play better man defense on Gasol than anyone on the Celtics anyways. The refs just need to quit calling bullshit fouls on him. Plus him and big baby both seem to be more active on the glass and are bigger offensive threats. Celtics should still be able to pull it off, but it will most likely be a classic game down to the wire.

doubtful he's on the court much, he got saddled with foul trouble the last Finals game 7 he played, and he wasn't playing the lakers

[ChrisRichards]

So, Kam & Stretch, last night you lost because Perkins went down early on, but, now this morning his absence Thursday night will have no impact.

:rolleyes
Hows your coffee this morning?

[ChrisRichards]

Sheed playing more than 30 minutes is such a huge risk for them, specially in a game with this magnitude. Things are going to get chippy and emotions will run high. Sheed must be at his absolute best behavior.

[JamStone]

Could go either way with Sheed. He's the type of guy that can kill the Celtics chances altogether as soon as he steps on the court. But he also is the type of guy in this very situation that relishes the moment, find his rhythm with the more minutes, and hit 5-of-7 three pointers and completely change the tenor of the game because of his ability to shoot the longball. The Lakers better hope that Perkins' injury doesn't become a blessing in disguise for the Celtics.

[stretch]

So, Kam & Stretch, last night you lost because Perkins went down early on, but, now this morning his absence Thursday night will have no impact.

:rolleyes

i never said anything about the Celtics losing because Perkins was hurt.

all i've said here, is that while his presence will be missed, Davis and Sheed both are more gifted and talented players that if one or both get hot, will most definitely overcome the loss of Perkins.

[DazedAndConfused]

Perkins being out changes everything.

Rebounds win championships. Without Perkins, the Lakers have a decisive rebounding advantage. We saw that last night as the Lakers pummeled the Celtics on the glass. Also, Perkins is really the only guy the Celtics have who can effectively neutralize any Laker big without getting into foul trouble.

Sheed can be deadly if he's draining 3's, but he's really only good in spurts at this point in his career. I think if you had him out there a full game you'd see a marked dropoff, which is why Doc Rivers made a point to play Sheldon Williams so many minutes.

[Dr House]

Sorry if yoiu guys missed me! I just woke up from a coma after I had the best orgasm of my life once I found out that POErkisn is injured!!!!!!

Is there anything stopping the 15 time NBA champion Lakers of LosAngeles led by the GOAAT Kobe "Jellybean" Bryant aka the Black Mamba and mthe most feared man in North American Sports history!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!!?
If the Lakers can pull this off I will be the happiest man ever!!!! ME along with my other lakers fans will not commit suicide because we need the Lakers to feel good about ourselves because we lack so much in other areas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111111
:lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2:

[JamStone]

In the three games Boston won, Kendrick pulled down 6, 7, and 7 rebounds respectively. He was solid on the boards but he wasn't the reason the Celtics were beating the Lakers on the glass. It was guys like Rondo and Glen Davis crashing the boards and then KG taking a dump on Gasol's head in game 5. Kendrick is a loss, but the Lakers technically should have had the rebounding edge the entire series. It has been more about effort when it comes to the rebounding game this series.

Where Perkins will be missed most is just in eating up minutes. It hurts the Celtics depth because more than likely Shelden Williams will have to play some short minutes and Doc will have to extend KG and Rasheed. The good thing about that is that it doesn't really matter for this game because it's game 7, end of the season. Don't have to save anyone for the next game. I expect that KG was going to play close to 40 minutes any way. I suspect KG, Pierce, Ray Allen, Rondo, Kobe, and Gasol will all play close to 40 minutes or more tomorrow night anyway. Phil might have a hard time taking Kobe out of the game at all.

[Dr House]

In the three games Boston won, Kendrick pulled down 6, 7, and 7 rebounds respectively. He was solid on the boards but he wasn't the reason the Celtics were beating the Lakers on the glass. It was guys like Rondo and Glen Davis crashing the boards and then KG taking a dump on Gasol's head in game 5. Kendrick is a loss, but the Lakers technically should have had the rebounding edge the entire series. It has been more about effort when it comes to the rebounding game this series.

Where Perkins will be missed most is just in eating up minutes. It hurts the Celtics depth because more than likely Shelden Williams will have to play some short minutes and Doc will have to extend KG and Rasheed. The good thing about that is that it doesn't really matter for this game because it's game 7, end of the season. Don't have to save anyone for the next game. I expect that KG was going to play close to 40 minutes any way. I suspect KG, Pierce, Ray Allen, Rondo, Kobe, and Gasol will all play close to 40 minutes or more tomorrow night anyway. Phil might have a hard time taking Kobe out of the game at all.

Wait a second...you just provided a clear basketball non-biased opinion without once overly describing the greatness of the 15 time NBA champion Lakers of Los Angeles...Is that even possible???????????????????
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[JamStone]

Your hump. Your hump. Your lovely lady BUMPS.

[LnGrrrR]

I think Kobe plays 46 mins Game 7. :lol Also, the Celtics were atrocious last night at grabbing rebounds... I don't remember how many times balls bounced off their hands. They didn't secure anything.

[stretch]

I think Kobe plays 46 mins Game 7. :lol Also, the Celtics were atrocious last night at grabbing rebounds... I don't remember how many times balls bounced off their hands. They didn't secure anything.

They were atrocious all around. Missed 2 or 3 dunks, about 5 missed EASY layups/putbacks, missing wide open jumpers, not boxing out on the glass... they looked completely uninterested and lacked energy. What are they going to do about Rondo? IMO they really need give him some more picks to try to mix things up more. this way, they can get someone slower switched onto him, as opposed to kobe, so he can still find ways to penetrate.

[Chieflion]

They were atrocious all around. Missed 2 or 3 dunks, about 5 missed EASY layups/putbacks, missing wide open jumpers, not boxing out on the glass... they looked completely uninterested and lacked energy. What are they going to do about Rondo? IMO they really need give him some more picks to try to mix things up more. this way, they can get someone slower switched onto him, as opposed to kobe, so he can still find ways to penetrate.

The 1-2 pick and roll with Nelson and Carter would work very well for Allen and Rondo. The change would be that Allen goes to an open spot for 3 and Rondo gets switched to Fisher.

[JamStone]

Not that hard to defend that PNR because Kobe plays off Rondo so much anyway. He just stays under the screen and let's Fisher maneuver through. The pick-and-roll would have to be 10 feet away from the basket in order to be effective instead of out at the three point line, which makes no sense in terms of offering enough space. That or Rondo has to start making 20 foot jumpshots consistently. Don't think that's going to happen, at least not enough to force the Lakers to completely change their strategy on how they defend Rondo. If Rondo does start making them, then I think the Lakers let the Celtics win the title that way.

[urunobili]

prepare the vandalism fest on downtown LA already :tu

Congrats LA :tu

[DazedAndConfused]

In the three games Boston won, Kendrick pulled down 6, 7, and 7 rebounds respectively. He was solid on the boards but he wasn't the reason the Celtics were beating the Lakers on the glass. It was guys like Rondo and Glen Davis crashing the boards and then KG taking a dump on Gasol's head in game 5. Kendrick is a loss, but the Lakers technically should have had the rebounding edge the entire series. It has been more about effort when it comes to the rebounding game this series.

Where Perkins will be missed most is just in eating up minutes. It hurts the Celtics depth because more than likely Shelden Williams will have to play some short minutes and Doc will have to extend KG and Rasheed. The good thing about that is that it doesn't really matter for this game because it's game 7, end of the season. Don't have to save anyone for the next game. I expect that KG was going to play close to 40 minutes any way. I suspect KG, Pierce, Ray Allen, Rondo, Kobe, and Gasol will all play close to 40 minutes or more tomorrow night anyway. Phil might have a hard time taking Kobe out of the game at all.

Wrong. Perkins does a great job of sealing his man off and not allowing him to get the rebound. He may not get credited for the actual board, but anyone actually watching or paying attention can see that when he's in the game the Celtics magically start rebounding better.

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Not that hard to defend that PNR because Kobe plays off Rondo so much anyway. He just stays under the screen and let's Fisher maneuver through. The pick-and-roll would have to be 10 feet away from the basket in order to be effective instead of out at the three point line, which makes no sense in terms of offering enough space. That or Rondo has to start making 20 foot jumpshots consistently. Don't think that's going to happen, at least not enough to force the Lakers to completely change their strategy on how they defend Rondo. If Rondo does start making them, then I think the Lakers let the Celtics win the title that way.

If he gets a pick set while driving to the hoop, I think that could end up being pretty effective. I think it would definitely create some issues for the Lakers defensive rotations.

[bostonguy]

This is a much bigger blow to the Celts than people realize. Perkins brings alot of intangibles to the team. Sheed has to step up more than ever. Same for Baby Davis. Both have to stay out of foul trouble. God forbid if Sheldon Williams gets more burn.

This is where having Leon Powe would help.

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This is where having Leon Powe would help.

I was thinking the same thing. The Celtics miss his energy.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

This has the potential to be Boston's undoing but like some have said there's a small chance it's a blessing in disguise. There have been a lot of times in this series (and season for that matter) where Sheed just loses focus and forgets to box out, that's where it's gonna hurt them the most, boxing Gasol and Bynum out. Offensively though is where it might help them. If Sheed's jumper is on and he's enough of a threat to draw a big out of the paint, then the paint open up for Rondo and Pierce to drive compared to when Perkins' defender got to sit and clog the lane. Overall though, there's more risk than reward involved with Sheed playing 30+ minutes so it's not a good situation to be in.


Regardless of the outcome of this series, Boston has looked like a team from the get go that really misses PJ Brown and James Posey. They don't have a single bench player who can produce on the road.

[bostonguy]

This has the potential to be Boston's undoing but like some have said there's a small chance it's a blessing in disguise. There have been a lot of times in this series (and season for that matter) where Sheed just loses focus and forgets to box out, that's where it's gonna hurt them the most, boxing Gasol and Bynum out. Offensively though is where it might help them. If Sheed's jumper is on and he's enough of a threat to draw a big out of the paint, then the paint open up for Rondo and Pierce to drive compared to when Perkins' defender got to sit and clog the lane. Overall though, there's more risk than reward involved with Sheed playing 30+ minutes so it's not a good situation to be in.


Regardless of the outcome of this series, Boston has looked like a team from the get go that really misses PJ Brown and James Posey. They don't have a single bench player who can produce on the road.

Brown,Posey,and Powe were 3 guys that brought different elements to the team. Sheldon Williams is a piece of shit.

[JamStone]

Wrong. Perkins does a great job of sealing his man off and not allowing him to get the rebound. He may not get credited for the actual board, but anyone actually watching or paying attention can see that when he's in the game the Celtics magically start rebounding better.

Didn't say Perkins was a bad rebounder and didn't factor at all in the rebounding. Perkins is a solid rebounder. I said as much. He's been solid rebounding the ball. He gives what you expect him to give. What I said is that in the games Boston dominated the boards, it wasn't really about Perkins but guys like Rondo and Baby also crashing the boards that made the difference. The Lakers have had the edge in rebounding the entire series. It's been more about effort that has made the difference in each game. Perkins is valuable and he's definitely a loss with his interior presence. But even with him in the game and healthy, the Lakers should have won the board war every game. KG had like one good rebounding game the entire series. PG is the only position the Celtics have a decided advantage in rebounding. The other positions either favor the Lakers or are essentially a wash between the two teams, including the center position.



If he gets a pick set while driving to the hoop, I think that could end up being pretty effective. I think it would definitely create some issues for the Lakers defensive rotations.

Pick-and-rolls are set out by the three point line. That offers enough room to recover against the drive. Can Rondo score off the dribble in a pick-and-roll? Sure. But what makes the pick-and-roll so dangerous like the mentioned Nelson/Carter PNR is when both offensive players are capable jumpshooters. Playing off Rondo gives the defense the ability to lay off of him, recover on his drives and/or allow help defense to also be a factor. Now if Rondo just goes crazy and starts hitting jumpers as well forcing Kobe to play up on him and run through the picks, then you start opening up the driving lanes. I don't see that happening even if Rondo hits a couple jumpers off the PNR. He'd have to make like 4-5 jumpers in a row out of it to even make Kobe and Phil consider on playing him differently. Don't think that's going to happen.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Brown,Posey,and Powe were 3 guys that brought different elements to the team. Sheldon Williams is a piece of shit.


Well Brown and Posey were veterans who didn't curl up in the fetal position whenever Boston played on the road. Sheed isn't really affected too much by the road so how he plays in game 7 is just a mystery, last night was him being lazy since he only plays well with his back against the wall.

In 08 if I remember correctly Perkins was a non factor in the finals and it was PJ Brown giving them the best minutes at C, and at times they even went small with KG at center and Posey at PF. The problem now is that they rely on Perkins more to be a contributor and don't have a sure thing backup like Brown.

[21_Blessings]

prepare the vandalism fest on downtown LA already :tu

Congrats LA :tu

:bking :tu

[DazedAndConfused]

HCA makes a huge difference as well.

When Boston plays at home they are given significantly more leeway to play their hack/slash/grab style of "defense". You take that away from them and it severely limits what they are able to do to the Lakers. Especially when LA makes a commitment to attack the rim. They have to adjust otherwise they will end up seriously hampered by fouls.

On the offensive end it's no secret that outside of Ray Allen in Game 2, nobody has had a great game in LA offensively for the Celtics. The Lakers have done a great job at limiting their points in the paint and forcing the Celtics to hit contested jumpshots. Without Perkins, I expect there to be more of the same in Game 7. Can Pierce, KG, and Allen come up huge and hit their jumpers? Maybe, but odds are one or more of them fail to do so.

Lakers win. Probably a double digit victory like Game 6.

[Giuseppe]

Lakers win. Probably a double digit victory like Game 6.

I'm getting my giddy on.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I don't care that they're 1 win away from winning a championship, but there's some real motivation issues with this Boston team, it seems a lot like what happened to the Pistons after they won a championship in 04 by bringing it every night on defense and always playing hard and then started to go through lapses where they are disinterested.

[Giuseppe]

Typical Suns asshole perspective:::every thing bad that happens is good somehow.

[JamStone]

I don't care that they're 1 win away from winning a championship, but there's some real motivation issues with this Boston team, it seems a lot like what happened to the Pistons after they won a championship in 04 by bringing it every night on defense and always playing hard and then started to go through lapses where they are disinterested.

Sheed effect.

But the scary thing for the Lakers is that in this one game scenario with everything on the line, it only takes this one game, one chance that Rasheed recaptures that championship motivation and mettle and actually plays well in what should be starters minutes and helps lift Boston past the Lakers. It's unlikely to happen, but it's certainly not an impossibility.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

:lmao Idk what the fuck happened to you but I'd be embarrassed to go from such legendary trolling to the rants you're posting now.


EDIT: that was for Cubby, not you Jamstone

[Giuseppe]

:lmao Idk what the fuck happened to you but I'd be embarrassed to go from such legendary trolling to the rants you're posting now.


EDIT: that was for Cubby, not you Jamstone

You're an O & 42 asshole who's out, and is staying out.

[stretch]

Pick-and-rolls are set out by the three point line. That offers enough room to recover against the drive. Can Rondo score off the dribble in a pick-and-roll? Sure. But what makes the pick-and-roll so dangerous like the mentioned Nelson/Carter PNR is when both offensive players are capable jumpshooters. Playing off Rondo gives the defense the ability to lay off of him, recover on his drives and/or allow help defense to also be a factor. Now if Rondo just goes crazy and starts hitting jumpers as well forcing Kobe to play up on him and run through the picks, then you start opening up the driving lanes. I don't see that happening even if Rondo hits a couple jumpers off the PNR. He'd have to make like 4-5 jumpers in a row out of it to even make Kobe and Phil consider on playing him differently. Don't think that's going to happen.

I'm not saying to run the PNR with Rondo, but to simply use picks to give him more space. A lot of times, the most effective pick is one set by the C/PF in the middle of a drive on an unsuspecting defender, allowing either the penetrator to have a wide open look at the hoop, or bringing the interior defender over and creating a mismatch/getting the pick-setter a wide open look under the bucket. I guess it's still technically a PNR, but being used in a very different manner. And not to run this like constantly the way you can run a typical PNR, but just a way to try to help rondo be more effective with his penetration.

[JamStone]

Ok, but the post you quoted by me was in response to the suggestion that Rondo and Ray Allen run the 1-2 pick-and-roll like Jameer Nelson and Vince Carter. That's what I initially responded to and that's the post you initially quoted.

I guess my point is that Kobe plays off Rondo so much that picks will only mildly help Rondo take advantage of the defense. I mean, Kobe literally plays off Rondo about 8-10 feet most of the time. I mean, what good is a pick, if the player with the ball can't really use it? Rondo actually is fine without picks because his speed and dribbling ability and long arms allow for him to be pretty effective taking a defender off the dribble one-on-one. He doesn't really need picks too often for that anyway. And Rondo playing well isn't really an issue regardless. The Lakers' defensive priorities should list Ray Allen's three point shooting and closing out defensive possessions with securing the rebounds on missed shots as much higher priorities anyway. If Rondo kills the Lakers for like 30 points and the Celtics win, I think the Lakers the Lakers will take their chances with that over Ray Allen getting hot from three point range or Paul Pierce agressively attacking the rim and getting to the free throw line 10+ times or KG and Baby getting a lot of offensive rebounds and second opportunities. They won't like losing, but I would bet the Lakers would risk it being Rondo than any of the other three regular starters.

[ChrisRichards]

Wrong. Perkins does a great job of sealing his man off and not allowing him to get the rebound. He may not get credited for the actual board, but anyone actually watching or paying attention can see that when he's in the game the Celtics magically start rebounding better.
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Its never about numbers with Perkins. His presence makes things easier for Garnett. Its just like PJ Brown in 2008. He was essentially a role player but his presence in the court was invaluable for the Celtics. Perkins has the same effect.

[Killakobe81]

Ok, but the post you quoted by me was in response to the suggestion that Rondo and Ray Allen run the 1-2 pick-and-roll like Jameer Nelson and Vince Carter. That's what I initially responded to and that's the post you initially quoted.

I guess my point is that Kobe plays off Rondo so much that picks will only mildly help Rondo take advantage of the defense. I mean, Kobe literally plays off Rondo about 8-10 feet most of the time. I mean, what good is a pick, if the player with the ball can't really use it? Rondo actually is fine without picks because his speed and dribbling ability and long arms allow for him to be pretty effective taking a defender off the dribble one-on-one. He doesn't really need picks too often for that anyway. And Rondo playing well isn't really an issue regardless. The Lakers' defensive priorities should list Ray Allen's three point shooting and closing out defensive possessions with securing the rebounds on missed shots as much higher priorities anyway. If Rondo kills the Lakers for like 30 points and the Celtics win, I think the Lakers the Lakers will take their chances with that over Ray Allen getting hot from three point range or Paul Pierce agressively attacking the rim and getting to the free throw line 10+ times or KG and Baby getting a lot of offensive rebounds and second opportunities. They won't like losing, but I would bet the Lakers would risk it being Rondo than any of the other three regular starters.


Great post. I said the EXACT same thing to start the series.

And here is the REAL problem for the Celts ...

They want to play Tony Allen BECAUSE he is their best defender on Kobe.

But if they play Tony with Rondo that is TWO players that the Lakers will lay off of ... and that will allow them to help more on Pierce Allen and KG.

Anytime Tony Allen is on the floor we play man on teh ball side ...zone principles on teh weak side off of Tony allen.

[Killakobe81]

This^


Its never about numbers with Perkins. His presence makes things easier for Garnett. Its just like PJ Brown in 2008. He was essentially a role player but his presence in the court was invaluable for the Celtics. Perkins has the same effect.

Agree with Dazed and CR here ...

I know Pau is glad he is not playing ...