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DesignatedT
06-16-2010, 12:43 PM
Nice article written that pretty much sums everything up for those interested in all the twists and turns that were going on.




Talk about it in Inside the 40 Acres
The Big 12 was dead. Gone. No pulse.

The funerals were planned in Lubbock and Austin on Tuesday. And again in Norman and Stillwater on Wednesday. Texas A&M would show its last respects later in the week, when it pushed off for Birmingham, Ala., to pop corks with SEC commissioner Mike Slive.


Mack Brown and Texas were headed for the Pac-10 on Friday and were back in the Big 12 two days later.
The Big 12 was so dead, the surviving family - Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and Baylor - did things you only promise to a dead person. Things you probably don't ever expect to have to pay - like promising the $35 million to $40 million in buyout penalties from Nebraska and Colorado to Texas, Texas A&M and Oklahoma.

(Everyone wants to know how those three get to $20 million guaranteed in the new Big 12-Lite? That's how.)

But let's go back and revisit how a corpse not only regains a heartbeat but goes out and wins a 400-meter race in record time four days after receiving a toe tag.


Wednesday, June 9 - Orangebloods.com reports, according to a source close to the Nebraska Board of Regents, that the Cornhuskers are going to the Big Ten and will make a formal announcement two days later on Friday.

I'm driving home from a live remote radio show and call one of my sources at UT. I'm told president William Powers and athletic director DeLoss Dodds have gathered the coaches at UT and tell them, "We've done all we can to save the Big 12 but were unsuccessful."

A plan to join the Pac-16 is basically laid out.


Thursday, June 10 - The Pac-10 announces it is adding Colorado. Orangebloods.com reports that Nebraska will announce on Friday that it is headed to the Big Ten. And OB also reports that Texas A&M is seriously considering the Southeastern Conference and may be put on the clock to respond to its Pac-10 invitation.

This is the first time it's becoming apparent that Texas A&M might not play ball with the other Big 12 teams being invited to the Pac-10. But, according to top sources, Texas A&M athletic director Bill Byrne is basically assuring Texas that the Aggies will join Texas in the Pac-10. So Texas feels like the Aggies will come around.


Friday, June 11 - Nebraska bolts the Big 12 for the Big Ten and throws Missouri and Texas under the bus in the process. Colorado holds a press conference with Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott saying the Buffaloes are headed west.

Sources would later say Colorado panicked at this point because the Buffaloes thought they needed to act more quickly than the others because Baylor might be moving in on their invitation to the Pac-10. (Now, Colorado owes $15 million in buyout penalties to the Big 12 that it can't afford.)

Texas schedules a regents meeting for Tuesday at 11 a.m. This meeting is to announce that the Longhorns are going to the Pac-10. Texas Tech officials post a regents meeting for Tuesday as well. Oklahoma and Oklahoma State post regents meetings for Wednesday. All with the expectation of announcing they are heading west to the Pac-10.

Orangebloods.com reports that all four schools (Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State and OU) have confirmed they are heading to the Pac-10 with announcements due after the weekend.


Saturday, June 12 - The focus shifts to College Station. Mike Slive, the Southeastern Conference commissioner, is in College Station to visit with A&M officials. But A&M athletic director Bill Byrne is nowhere to be found. He's at a family reunion in Idaho.

Suddenly Texas' best source for information from A&M is in doubt. How connected is he to the situation?

According to two of the best sources for Orangebloods.com throughout the Big 12 Missile Crisis, Texas A&M has a vote of at least 6-3 to go to the SEC, and we report that.

Other sources around the Big 12 are starting to say Texas A&M is waiting for Texas to hang itself at the press conference on Tuesday before the Aggies announce their departure for the SEC.

Athletic director DeLoss Dodds and UT women's athletic director Chris Plonsky smell the rat: Texas is going to get blamed for breaking up the Big 12 AND for ripping up the 100-year rivalry with Texas A&M. The Aggies aren't going to the Pac-10. The Aggies aren't budging.

A shot of the president's box at the Texas-TCU NCAA Super Regional baseball game on Saturday tells it all. There was Powers, a Cal graduate who had convinced the Texas Board of Regents the Pac-10 was the right move for academic and athletic reasons, had Plonsky over his left shoulder, leaning into his ear. Dodds was casual and calm with Mack Brown to Dodds' left.

I would joke with Brown on Tuesday that there had to be more going on in that picture than watching baseball. Mack Brown smiled and said, "Nope, just cheering on Texas to beat TCU."

Meanwhile, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State's presidents and athletic directors meet with Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott in Oklahoma City.



Texas A&M AD Bill Byrne was at a family reunion in Idaho when SEC commissioner Mike Slive was in College Station on Saturday.
Sunday, June 13 - Texas is starting to get the sense A&M is not turning back from the SEC. That any information it got from Byrne is useless at this point, according to sources. Gene Stallings, A&M System chancellor Mike McKinney and other A&M regents led by Morris Foster, a former ExxonMobil executive, are leading the Aggies toward the SEC.

The notion of separating from Texas is starting to feel invigorating to the Aggie power brokers. Foster likes the idea of A&M being the top research insitution in the SEC. Stallings wants A&M football to connect with history shared by Alabama (Bear Bryant coaching at A&M before winning six national titles at Bama).

And McKinney is ready to collect the paychecks of at least $17.4 million to help get the Ags out of the $16 million hole the athletic department is in.

With the Big 12's obituary seemingly imminent, Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe secures assurances from ABC/ESPN that it will honor its current contract with the Big 12 through 2016 even if the league is 10 members and without a conference championship game. Meaning, all of Colorado's and Nebraska's share of the TV revenue as well as the money from the championship game would now be divided between the 10 schools.

The five schools who appeared to be the pall bearers for the Big 12 - Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and Baylor - make a commitment to hand over their share of the $35 million to $40 million in penalties to be paid by Nebraska and Colorado to Texas, Oklahoma and Texas A&M.

Now, those three schools are guaranteed to start making $20 million immediately. No waiting. No fuss no muss - $20 million.

That number is better than the payout of the SEC ($17.4 million) for Texas A&M. It also is better than the Pac-10, which initially sold the Big 12 schools on a number of $20 million starting in 2012, but later said it might take a year or two to scale to $20 million, according to sources. The initial number might be closer to $17 million in 2012 and $20 million by 2013 or 2014. So suddenly Texas is better off by $3 million with no waiting.

Larry Scott and Pac-10 chief operating officer Kevin Weiberg fly from Oklahoma City to College Station Sunday morning. A meeting between Scott, Weiberg and A&M president R. Bowen Loftin and a couple regents is short and not so sweet. Texas A&M tells the Pac-10 officials they are not ready to accept an invitation. The Pac-10, which is actively falling in love with Kansas, takes this as a refused invitation.

Scott and Weiberg fly from College Station to Lubbock and are met with a king's welcome. If Tech's board of regents could have accepted a bid to the Pac-10 right then and there, they would have. Scott and Weiberg leave Lubbock feeling like they've got Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Tech. All they need now is Texas, and they can figure out the rest (sub Kansas for Texas A&M).

But by the time Scott and Weiberg get to Austin on Sunday night, DeLoss Dodds and Chris Plonsky are already feeling queasy about everything, according to sources.

Dodds and Plonsky are already anticipating that Texas is going to get blamed for ripping up the Big 12, for tearing apart the rivalry with Texas A&M and for agreeing to a deal with the Pac-10 that is not as financially sound as the one now facing them thanks to Dan Beebe's hustling of ABC/ESPN and the generostiy of the Desperate Five in the Big 12 (Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and Baylor).

Texas knows with the $20 million guarantee and the ability to launch its own network in the Big 12, the Longhorns could be pulling in between $23 million and $25 million in no time. They'd be the richest school in the BCS in terms of TV revenue. And that total could scale if the Longhorn Network was a success and surpassed its consultants early projections of $3 million to $5 million per year.

And Scott and Weiberg made one critical mistake in the courtship of the Big 12. Other than its somewhat foggy math that a 16-team Pac-10 could readily get to $20 million in TV revenue per school, they wanted to substitute Kansas for Oklahoma State late in the process, according to multiple sources in the Big 12.

Texas was really starting to feel queasy now, sources said. UT officials knew deep down Texas A&M wasn't coming to the Pac-10, despite Bill Byrne's assurances, according to sources. And now Scott and Weiberg were looking to dump Oklahoma State in favor of Kansas. If A&M was a no-show, the Pac-10 would add Utah. Scott was looking to add new TV markets, not stick to the deal that was agreed upon a few days earlier.

According to sources who talked to me Tuesday (two days after the fact), Dodds and Plonsky couldn't stop thinking about all the negatives. And now they were dealing with a wheeler-dealer Pac-10 commissioner who wanted to sub out Boone Pickens' Cowboys for the chance to grab new households in Kansas, Missouri and middle America.

Dodds had given Oklahoma State his word they would be part of the group headed west. Now, the Pac-10 wanted to do some late rearranging. Dodds didn't feel good about it, sources said Tuesday. Now, Dodds and Plonsky had to convince Powers that the Beebe Plan was the best plan.

Powers had convinced the board of regents the Pac-10 was the answer if Nebraska came out of the league, according to the sources who talked on Tuesday.

(Powers had such a strong relationship with Nebraska chancellor Harvey Perlman that in his mind the conference was toast without Nebraska in the league.)

I made routine calls to my sources across the Big 12 Sunday night and got one response at 10:40 p.m. CT in a text message that said, "Texas may be changing course. Look into it."


When Texas A&M didn't waver from the SEC, DeLoss Dodds helped steer UT back to the Big 12 table.
I tried to reach more sources. But it was late. I couldn't sleep at all that night. I just kept scanning other media outlets' web sites to see if they had the news. Nothing. I still couldn't sleep. I fell asleep for a couple hours - from about 4 a.m. to 6 a.m. CT - on the couch in my kids' play room. I took over that room the previous two weeks because it has a TV in it, and I needed a place where I could work and keep one eye on my laptop and one eye on ESPN News.


Monday, June 14 - How early is too early to call a source?

In this case, it's never too early. I was carpet-bombing every source I had in the story thus far to find out if Texas was changing course.

At 8 a.m., another top source in this story told me Texas was not only changing course, it was almost ready to commit to a remodeled Big 12.

Bingo.

I cobbled a story together about how Texas had gone from nearly being signed, sealed, delivered to the West Coast to racing back to the Big 12 dinner table to see if there was any food.

I popped my story on Orangebloods.com at 8:36 a.m. and began Twittering furiously to draw attention to it. I got up to run to Starbucks for an iced, venti, Chai latte and by the time I got back home, Joe Schad of ESPN was saying in a story on ESPN.com and on television that Beebe's plan had "zero" chance for survival, according to four sources.

Gulp.

I knew ABC/ESPN was involved in the Beebe Plan. So my immediate thought was Schad knew something I didn't because he had walked down the hall in Bristol and talked to some TV executive. What if The Worldwide Leader had pulled its assurances off the table? Did Schad learn ABC/ESPN had pulled the rug out from under the Beebe plan?

I started texting my sources immediately, wondering if even they knew about some new wrinkle to the story. Then, I got a text back saying, "No worries. The train is still on the tracks."

I Twittered to my now 12,000 followers, "I'm not backing off my story."

And then all the other texts and calls I'd sent out started responding. Texas A&M was at the table and seemingly on board. So was OU. I already knew the Desperate Five were on board. And I knew Texas Tech and Oklahoma State weren't going to do anything without Texas, OU and Texas A&M.

(Although Texas Tech's regents put that to the test on Tuesday, waiting to agree to the Huck Finn blood oath to be a happy camper in the Big 12-Lite until about 3:30 p.m. CT).

All my sources started weighing in, saying the deal to rescue the Big 12-Lite was almost done. By 4 p.m. CT, I had confirmation from all my top sources the deal was done. Then, a regents meeting scheduled for Tuesday was canceled in favor of a press conference at Texas at 10 a.m. CT. A teleconference with Beebe was scheduled for 11 a.m. CT.


Tuesday, June 15 - We learn from the Texas and Beebe media conferences and some more reporting from sources that ABC/ESPN basically protected its investments and held off college realignment by allowing the 10 schools in the Big 12 to keep all the money ABC/ESPN agreed to pay the league through 2016 when it had 12 members and a conference championship game.

Why would ABC/ESPN agree to such a bad deal? I'm convinced because it didn't want to see Texas and Oklahoma disappear to the Pac-16 conference network likely to be run by Fox. ABC/ESPN, in my opinion, also saw the possibility of realignment coming if the Big 12 fell apart, and that could have led to remodeling the SEC and ACC, conferences in which ABC/ESPN has more than $4 billion tied up in TV contracts.

If the SEC expands by four or the ACC gets picked apart and then remodeled in some merger with the Big East, ABC/ESPN likely has to renegotiate those deals, possibly for more than the $4 billion it had already committed.

So why not just honor the deal it had struck with the Big 12 despite losing two teams and a conference championship game? By comparison it was a relative pittance to keep Texas and Oklahoma away from Fox and protect its investments in the SEC and ACC.

Texas became the first to blink, backing away from its Pac-10 invitation and reaching out to Texas A&M at the bargaining table. Credit both the Aggies and the Longhorns for realizing the time wasn't right to break up a 100-year rivalry that even includes mentions of each school in the other's fight song.

In the end, the Big 12 is not a better football league than it was less than a week ago. It's a better basketball league (an 18-game conference schedule means Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri now play Texas and A&M home and home).

But the principals in the deal walk away feeling better about the knowns than what seemed like some elusive answers about the unknowns.


THE WINNERS:

TEXAS A&M - Aggies' athletics are $16 million in debt and are one big dysfunctional family (How else do you explain Bill Byrne at a family reunion in Idaho when the Ags are contemplating their most important moment in the last 100 years?).

Say what you want about Gene Stallings and A&M system chancellor Mike McKinney zeroing in on the SEC, they didn't waver, and it finally got to Texas.

As UT officials began having doubts about the Pac-10 deal, the Longhorns didn't want to be seen as the drivers in ripping apart the Big 12 and a 100-year rivalry with the Aggies.

UT officials ultimately blinked first and said they'd go back to the table for the Beebe Plan if A&M would. The Aggies did and walked away with $20 million guaranteed - the same as Texas and OU - because it had a real suitor. Not bad for a destitute, non-performing football program for most of the past decade.


ABC/ESPN - On its face, it looks like the Worldwide Leader is getting taken to the cleaners by continuing to pay the Big 12 for the next seven years as if it's a 12-member league with a conference championship game (even though it's a 10-member league with no title game).

But ABC/ESPN isn't out any more money, and it protected its interest in several areas (UT and OU don't go to Fox as part of the Pac-16 conference network; the SEC and ACC likely don't expand; Notre Dame remains an independent; and college realignment is averted for at least seven more years.)


DAN BEEBE - Put in a bad spot from the beginning as Big 12 commissioner because he inherited staggered TV contracts (the cable deal with Fox expires in 2012, while its network deal with ABC/ESPN expires in 2016), Beebe went to ABC/ESPN, asked them to honor a bad contract and got a dysfunctional family back to the table.

That's not easy. Think of all the rancor in this league (starting with Missouri's open flirtation with the Big Ten, which launched the "instability" in the league a year ago). And now think of the money pouring into a league with no championship game and only 10 members (or only 2 members depending on your count - Texas and OU. Come on Tech, A&M and anyone from the old Big 12 North).

Beebe came up with the Beebe Plan, and it saved a league that was always the most likely candidate to get picked apart and possibly trigger realignment. This was no easy sales job, considering all the conversations between his member schools and other conferences. Dan Beebe comes out a huge winner in this.



TEXAS - The Longhorns walked away from a deal with the Pac-10 they were losing confidence in; preserved their 100-year rivalry with A&M; AND walk away with the chance to make between $23 million and $25 million in TV revenue thanks to its own network (and maybe more).

And don't forget the easier path to a national title game (without a conference title game).


THE DESPERATE FIVE - The decision by Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and Baylor to pool their share of the Nebraska/Colorado penalty money ($35 million to $40 million) and give it to OU, Texas A&M and Texas costs these five in the short-term. But it worked. They helped save the conference, and now they are going to earn between $14 million and $17 million each going forward.


THE LOSERS


COLORADO - The Buffaloes can spin this any way they want, but they effectively gambled and lost. They got out ahead of the posse on Friday, hoping to cut off Baylor from trying to wrangle its invitation to the Pac-10, according to sources. The Buffs believed Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech were unshakable to the Pac-10, thus anticipating the Big 12 would crumble, so there would be no one left to collect the Buffs' buyout penalties. Now, there are 10 schools gladly waiting to line their pockets with $15 million the Buffs' can't afford to pay. (CU couldn't afford to pay Dan Hawkins' $3 million buyout last year. Gulp.)


THE FANS - Fans of the Big 12 lose one of the great, tradition-laden programs in the history of college football (Nebraska), and they will lose a conference championship game at Jerryworld in the near future. Fans with ties to most of the Big 12 South also miss out on road trips to Scottsdale, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Eugene and Seattle in favor of trips to Ames, Iowa; Manhattan, Kan.; and Columbia, Mo. OK, I'll stop now while I'm behind ...


TEXAS TECH - The Red Raiders probably have a legit gripe about not being included in the payout from the Desperate Five. After all, Tech has been in the Top Two in the last two years, while Texas A&M has been sucking wind for most of the past decade. So the thought of Tech making $14 million to $17 million when Texas A&M is poised to rake in $20 million has to burn like acid reflux.

The Tech regents wanted to make the rest of the Big 12-Lite feel their pain, so they didn't agree to sign the Huck Finn blood oath to be a happy camper in the Big 12 on Sunday, opting to make everyone wait until 3 p.m. on Monday. Tommy Tuberville will have a winner on the field soon, so the Red Raiders will pop some Tums and get over this ... eventually.

Orangebloods.com broke the story about the Pac-10 possibly raiding half the Big 12 on June 3. The next 12 days threatened to change the direction of college athletics forever. Against maybe all odds, the Big 12 Missile Crisis ended with diverging forces standing down.

If Texas A&M decided to go with Texas to the Pac-10, we might have had complete upheaval and the beginning of massive college realignment, resulting in four, 16-team mega conferences. As it stands now, realignment appears to have been averted for at least the next seven years (until the ABC/ESPN contract expires).

For now, these will live on as the 12 days that could have changed the course of college athletics ... but didn't.

http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1094753

tlongII
06-16-2010, 02:51 PM
Nice read. And lol at Colorado. :lol

DesignatedT
06-16-2010, 03:18 PM
Got this e-mail from the President of the University today, for anyone who's interested. A lot of Aggies are upset about the move.


Q&A with President Loftin Regarding the Big 12 Conference

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Last night I was able to spend some time going through the hundreds of emails I have received over the past couple of days, as well as reading many of your Facebook posts. I would like to address three major questions that I have determined are common themes:

Question: Why did Texas A&M elect to stay with the Big 12, especially when so many students want to go to the SEC?

“The conference realignment issue was not of our making, but my duty was to do the right thing — ensure that our student-athletes are treated fairly and that we have the resources to support a first-class, nationally-recognized athletic program. Also, the Board of Regents requested that I present them with options, which, as you know, I did in talking to both the SEC and Pac-10.

From day one, Athletic Director Bill Byrne and I publicly said that we wanted the Big 12 to remain intact if it continued to be a viable option for us. There were some days and hours in which we weren’t sure that would be the case. I can tell you that we had serious discussions with both the SEC and the Pac-10, and both conferences wanted Texas A&M.

Concurrently, I was going through an exhaustive process in evaluating our three options based on 21 factors. As the weekend concluded and we entered into Monday, however, the TV networks stepped up and indicated they would invest significantly in the 10 remaining members of the Big 12. And the Big 12 made a significant financial commitment to keep Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Texas in the conference. At the end of the day, we kept our word, which as an Aggie, is extremely important.

Part of my leadership style is in listening, and in this case, there were many groups who were giving me their opinions. We wanted to approach our options very deliberately, so we could slow the process down and gather input. Many of our students were extremely vocal in their support of the SEC, and I appreciate their passion – it’s the same passion of the 12th Man that we see at Kyle Field on Saturdays in the fall. And believe me, I was listening. But there were also many students and other Texas A&M constituents in support of the Big 12, and that ultimately proved to be the best option for us at this time.

I simply ask that all of our Aggie Family take a deep breath and consider the outcomes of this decision. Texas A&M now has financial parity for the first time with the other two major Big 12 athletic programs in terms of revenue and the opportunity to use our brand to Texas A&M’s best advantage. Our student-athletes will also benefit, and we have preserved many traditional rivalries that we treasure.”

Question: There have been several reports that there is not a new signed Big 12 TV contract. How certain are you that it will actually happen and Texas A&M will receive more revenues than the other conferences offered?

“I spoke with the Big 12 Commissioner late Sunday evening and also conferenced him in to our Monday afternoon meeting. It is true that a signed TV contract is not yet in place.

However, the basic terms of a new Big 12 agreement (beginning in 2011) are in place and are in sufficient detail to give us confidence that we know the “floor” of our next agreement. It was on this basis that we, and other Big 12 institutions, were able to make a decision late Monday afternoon. As in negotiations of this nature, we will receive more details as the talks continue.”

Question: Texas is taking a lot of credit for saving the Big 12 Conference. Did we stand on the sidelines?

“I don’t think any one university can take credit for saving the Big 12 Conference. It was a collective commitment by the remaining 10 members of the conference. What many people don’t realize, however, is that Texas President Bill Powers is also chair of the Big 12 Board of Directors, which includes all of the university presidents and the Big 12’s executive team.

It’s a position that rotates around to all of the Big 12 presidents. But don’t think for a minute that Texas A&M was idle during this situation. We acted independently and were very aggressive in exploring options and protecting our long-term interests.

A lot of the media reports are starting to report about the strength of our position during the entire situation. Texas A&M played a key role in ultimately increasing the financial viability of the Big 12. I think the facts support this claim – Texas A&M is poised to benefit just as much financially from the Big 12 as Texas or Oklahoma.”

Marklar MM
06-16-2010, 03:19 PM
Say what you want, but Colorado is at least in a stable conference.

Blake
06-16-2010, 04:04 PM
Say what you want, but Colorado is at least in a stable conference.

but they are paying a high price for it.

Ignignokt
06-16-2010, 04:47 PM
Nice read. And lol at Colorado. :lol

I'm guessing you don't have a clue at all what this whole thing was about.
First of all, the Colorado- Pac 10 thing didnt happen overnight. They were the first on the list to be invited and were the original party in the expansion plan. History even proves this by demonstrating that Colorado was invited to the PAC 10 in the 90's.

But you wouldn't know that listening to Orangebloods, at first they said we bolted because of oncoming sanctions. The truth to that story is that those sanctions concerned a matter that happened b4 Hawkins came, and Colorado already paid those sanctions by preemptively limiting it's scholarships. Colorado were the ones who turned over the info to the NCAA, and they've cooperated since. Those sanctions coming will have nothing to do with colorado moving forward. And now we bolted because we panicked! :lmao:lmao:lmao Ho please, we've been in Pac 10 expansion talks since last spring of 09.

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/the_sporting_blog/entry/view/55446/pac-10_expansion_hinges_on_colorado,_and_its_probably_ not_happening

"The fact is, any Pac-10 expansion talk begins with Colorado. The question is, would they accept?" according to http://www.laobserved.com/intell/2010/02/weighing_pac-10_expansion.php


http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/35360141/ns/sports-college_football/

So basically Orangebloods would have you believe that Colorado was a last resort desperation move. This is so stupid to begin with. Orangebloods is just the Mouthpiece for UT athletics and has no credibility, they are responsible for spreading the rumors of expansion concerning Texas and have been a *tool in helping Texas spread it's posturing and propaganda.

The North leftovers basically got screwed and gave away millions of dollars over to texas for basically being loyal minus Mizzou. Why should they be penalized for wanting to keep the big 12 together?

Afterall, it was UT who were the ones airing stories out about wanting to join the big 10 and Pac 10 to either posture for better TV money or actually switch conferences. UT, Colorado, Mizzou and the Nubs were all trying to shop deals.

Bevo's plans were to open it's own TV network while maintaining unequal revenue sharing. Not only does UT have the advantages of it's location in the best recruiting ground in the US, the biggest TV revenue pie in the Big 12, they wanted to be exempt from the BIG 12 tv deal and also have their own tv network that will reign in millions.

So UT was the one stirring the commotion and caused Nebraska and mizzou to want to bolt, they then try to be exempt from the BIG 12 tv contract and gain an advantage, and in the process they penalize the ones who were loyal to the conference.

IF anybody is a winner in this, it's Texas, followed by the Huskers and Colorado. You don't think after the huskers saw this ordeal go down, you don't think they said, "Damn, thank da lawd i'm outta there!".

Also, you seemed to bitch about not having UT in the Pac 10. This just illustrates how much you're misinformed. UT to the Pac 10 would be great, BUT, they wanted no part of the equal revenue sharing, and they wanted to include their own network. Not only that, but UT would have used the former big 12 alliances like TT, OU, A2M, and OSU to bully the Pac 10 and USC into creating the same uneven situation in the PAC 10.

So UT would have moved in to the PAC 10 under it's terms, they would have been the dominant force since USC is down, they would have a 5 member lobby in old Big 12 alliances to basically renegotiate for unequal tv revenue sharing and would the Beavers would become the Baylor Bears of the Northwest.

You would have loved to become UT's bitch huh?

ANd what you don't get is that the Pac 10 has the a larger TV market before SCL and Denver than the Big 12 but is currently still running on the oldest TV contract of all the major conferences. Once the new schools are added and the contract is up which is now, they will renegotiate for a better deal, and will get a higher package surpassing the weak and unstable big 12 conference.

Ignignokt
06-16-2010, 04:53 PM
So this is what colorado gained.

1.New Recruiting grounds in Cali.

2.Higher revenue because of equal sharing and a new contract.

3. TV coverage by the LA markets, and a chance to get to be in contact with a huge alumni base in SOCAL.


This is what the North schools got.

1. Jack shit

2. More money but with a higher disadvantage in power with the Bevo network and unequal revenue sharing.

3. A penalty in which they sign over the penalty money to the big 12 south.





Only Tloads would think colorado got screwed.

tlongII
06-16-2010, 09:32 PM
COLORADO - The Buffaloes can spin this any way they want, but they effectively gambled and lost. They got out ahead of the posse on Friday, hoping to cut off Baylor from trying to wrangle its invitation to the Pac-10, according to sources. The Buffs believed Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech were unshakable to the Pac-10, thus anticipating the Big 12 would crumble, so there would be no one left to collect the Buffs' buyout penalties. Now, there are 10 schools gladly waiting to line their pockets with $15 million the Buffs' can't afford to pay. (CU couldn't afford to pay Dan Hawkins' $3 million buyout last year. Gulp.)

Ignignokt
06-17-2010, 12:14 AM
^^^LOL.

Read the Big 12 bylaw. They can't enforce that penalty.


LOL!!!

Ignignokt
06-17-2010, 12:20 AM
No Penalty Due?
Picked this up from Rivals, and it's a good question for the lawyers.


Effect of Giving Notice. If a Member Institution gives proper Notice pursuant to Section
3.1 (a “Withdrawing Member”), then the Members agree that such withdrawal would
cause financial hardship to the remaining Member Institutions of the Conference, and that
the financial consequences cannot be measured or estimated with certainty at this time.
Therefore, in recognition of the obligations and responsibilities of each Member Institution
to all other Member Institutions of the Conference, each Member Institution agrees that the
amount of revenue that would have been otherwise distributable to a Withdrawing Member pursuant to Section 2 herein for the final two (2) years of the Current Term or the thencurrent
Additional Term, as the case may be, shall be reduced by fifty percent (50%), with
the remainder to be distributed to the other Member Institutions who are not Withdrawing
Members or Breaching Members (as defined below) as additional Conference revenues in
accordance with Section 2 herein. The Member Institutions agree that such reduction in
the amount of revenues distributed to a Withdrawing Member is reasonable and shall be in
the form of liquidated damages and not be construed as a penalty.
That line is there to help the conference if a school leaves and say, for instance, the TV deal drops by 20%. I think there is definitely a case to be made that CU and NU withdrawing does NOT result in a financial hardship for the remaining members.

A. Even with the original TV deal, the money, I believe would have stayed the same, the remaining schools would have divvied up the additional revenue.

B. The news of the new TV deal makes it very difficult for anyone to say that CU and NU leaving results in financial hardship for the remaining members.
http://www.allbuffs.com/showthread.php/47942-No-Penalty-Due

ChumpDumper
06-17-2010, 12:34 AM
If it's up to the remaining members to decide whether they should get penalty money, I think there's a good chance the remaining members will decide they should get penalty money.

Ignignokt
06-17-2010, 01:56 AM
If it's up to the remaining members to decide whether they should get penalty money, I think there's a good chance the remaining members will decide they should get penalty money.

I didn't see that written there. I saw that the members agree that it would it would cause financial hardship to the other members. If the Big 12 gets a better contract, then that stipulation will have to be argued in court. Also, the UT and the Big 12 made those schools force their decision till the 14th while they were also pursuing other options. If UT is proven to have been in talks with other conferences about leaving, along with the other schools, then CU and NU can just say that they were protecting their own financial interest and future.

TheProfessor
06-17-2010, 03:01 AM
I didn't see that written there. I saw that the members agree that it would it would cause financial hardship to the other members. If the Big 12 gets a better contract, then that stipulation will have to be argued in court. Also, the UT and the Big 12 made those schools force their decision till the 14th while they were also pursuing other options. If UT is proven to have been in talks with other conferences about leaving, along with the other schools, then CU and NU can just say that they were protecting their own financial interest and future.
Afraid not. Under these terms, proper notice of withdrawal is the condition precedent of financial hardship to remaining members. The schools have effectively consented to this already, although the potential damages for this "hardship" are left ambiguous. A competent attorney could attack this during the damage determination phase of a trial (either that damages don't exist or that they exist merely as a penalty). I don't expect much sympathy from a judge due to the circumstances you mention - much easier to adhere to black letter contractual law.

samikeyp
06-17-2010, 04:56 AM
Good post DT! :tu

tlongII
06-17-2010, 09:28 AM
The way I've read the entire scenario is that the buyout penalties were key in keeping Texas, Oklahoma, and A&M in conference. I've read that the other conference members agreed to forfeit their share of these penalties allowing the 3 schools mentioned to keep it all. This seems to be what tipped the financials in their favor versus what the Pac-10 was offering. I could be wrong, but that's the way I read it. If so, then lol Colorado. :lol

Ignignokt
06-17-2010, 09:40 AM
The way I've read the entire scenario is that the buyout penalties were key in keeping Texas, Oklahoma, and A&M in conference. I've read that the other conference members agreed to forfeit their share of these penalties allowing the 3 schools mentioned to keep it all. This seems to be what tipped the financials in their favor versus what the Pac-10 was offering. I could be wrong, but that's the way I read it. If so, then lol Colorado. :lol

There is no buyout penalty. CU will only give up 80 percent of its revenue if it goes in '11 or 50% if it goes in 2012. They will owe nothing for leaving. :lmao

and colorado doesn't make much. This same applies for nebraska but i don't see that being a big deal in this article. They will fight it.

Ignignokt
06-17-2010, 09:41 AM
The way I've read the entire scenario is that the buyout penalties were key in keeping Texas, Oklahoma, and A&M in conference. I've read that the other conference members agreed to forfeit their share of these penalties allowing the 3 schools mentioned to keep it all. This seems to be what tipped the financials in their favor versus what the Pac-10 was offering. I could be wrong, but that's the way I read it. If so, then lol Colorado. :lol

What kept Texas in conference was the Pac 10's rejection of the BEVO TV.

Kermit
06-17-2010, 10:39 AM
What kept Texas in conference was the Pac 10's rejection of the BEVO TV.

Well, that and fuzzy math with regards to the t.v. contract and Scott's reluctance to bring Ok State, vying instead for Kansas. So basically, Colorado just pays 50% of their t.v. revenue for two years, right? About 9 million?

Ignignokt
06-17-2010, 02:59 PM
Well, that and fuzzy math with regards to the t.v. contract and Scott's reluctance to bring Ok State, vying instead for Kansas. So basically, Colorado just pays 50% of their t.v. revenue for two years, right? About 9 million?

or 80 percent if they leave earlier. It's better to get a loan and leave quicker that way the Big 12 can make invites if it so desires to.

Blake
06-17-2010, 03:18 PM
Well, that and fuzzy math with regards to the t.v. contract and Scott's reluctance to bring Ok State, vying instead for Kansas. So basically, Colorado just pays 50% of their t.v. revenue for two years, right? About 9 million?


Colorado buyout could run in the millions
By BLAIR KERKHOFF
The Kansas City Star
Now that Colorado has announced its new home, how much will it cost the school to leave the Big 12?

According to the Big 12 Handbook, the Buffaloes or any other school could lose in the millions, and that money could be transferred into the accounts of schools that don't leave the conference.

The penalty for leaving is forfeiture of 50 percent of conference revenue (television contracts, bowl games, NCAA Tournament appearances). A one-year notice carries an 80-percent penalty.

The Big 12 will distribute $139 million in income this year. The range per school figures to be $10 million-$12 million. If the Big 12 lasts two more years, Colorado would pay a 50-percent share twice. Based on recent payouts, the Buffaloes would stand to lose about $9 million.



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