Mexico vs France

[lefty]

Is Domenech anti-arab or what?

1st he didnt gat along with Zidane


Then he doesnt select Benzema and Nasri

[MannyIsGod]

And thank god Conejo was not tested

Actually this is probably bad in the long run because now he'll continue to start.

[MannyIsGod]

Seriously.... the keeper almost had that penalty kick.

And I saw the penalty coming since Barrera crossed the first guy, and I also knew Blanco was going to take it.. I was just hoping he wouldn't fuck it up, and he almost did.


I'm just glad we beat France after most of you guys had us losing to them... that's sweeter.

Nah, he didn't almost fuck it up. The keeper guessed right but it didn't matter because Blanco placed it so perfectly. Skill.

:toast

[Sense]

Nah, he didn't almost fuck it up. The keeper guessed right but it didn't matter because Blanco placed it so perfectly. Skill.

:toast

To score a penalty kick takes skill? I could've scored that goal.... it's expected.

[urunobili]

Now, hopefully Mexico can kick the crap out of Uruguay and France loses to South Africa.

:lol

in yo dreams... i dont think it'll be a fixed game since playing Argentina will be the stakes in the game :stirpot:

[sefant77]

The penalty was a good one, just ask some people from england...

[Sense]

I think everybody owes Blanco an apology..

Why would anyone owe Blanco an apology? He scored on a penalty kick......

No one here hates him as much as I do, but just because he scored when he was supposed to doesn't mean I should reconsider my opinion on him..

[urunobili]

90% chance there will be a tie between Mexico and Uruguay, france and SA are already out.

so you think that Mexico will be content to play Argentina :wakeup

[MannyIsGod]

To score a penalty kick takes skill? I could've scored that goal.... it's expected.

To score on a penalty kick when the keeper guesses right takes skill. He put it where it was impossible to get to.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Wow :lmao

Evra thanked the French fans by applauding, and they flashed him the finger :rollin

i thought he was the only one that give a damn about playin...everyone else sucked

[Sense]

:lol

in yo dreams... i dont think it'll be a fixed game since playing Argentina will be the stakes in the game :stirpot:

:hat


It is... either way Mexico should be glad to get out of the group...

I'd be more than satisfied with a 1-0 win over Uruguay.. :) We definitely don't want to see Argentina either.

[Spurologist]

The penalty was a good one, just ask some people from england...

:lol

It was a great penalty.....it had to be side netting

[usdane]

so you think that Mexico will be content to play Argentina :wakeup

I think Mexico can score on their defense. They can make it a match and have a punchers chance.

[Sense]

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs105.snc4/35592_400976433172_130297048172_4523135_7735271_n. jpg


EVA WINS! :)

[NRHector]

:hat


It is... either way Mexico should be glad to get out of the group...

I'd be more than satisfied with a 1-0 win over Uruguay.. :) We definitely don't want to see Argentina either.:tu

[Sense]

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs326.ash1/28480_768261316297_29626619_43434588_7800611_n.jpg


WHAAAAAAAAAT

[IronMexican]

sonic, how are the French people taking it over there?

[urunobili]

so sig / avatar bet with Mexican posters for the game?

any takers?

[IronMexican]

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs326.ash1/28480_768261316297_29626619_43434588_7800611_n.jpg


WHAAAAAAAAAT

Is that Ocho Cinco? lol

Pacquiao also said he's a Mexico fan.

[Sense]

Is that Ocho Cinco? lol

Pacquiao also said he's a Mexico fan.

yup yup..

[resistanze]

Pacquiao also said he's a Mexico fan.

He meant he's a fan of killing Mexicans.

[MannyIsGod]

He meant he's a fan of killing Mexicans.

LOL I was about to say that.

[usdane]

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs105.snc4/35592_400976433172_130297048172_4523135_7735271_n. jpg


EVA WINS! :)

No. Tony will always be the winner; he's married to Eva.

[IronMexican]

He said cause the Mexican's always respected him.


http://www.boxingscene.com/uploads/28406/PACQUIAO_TRI6.jpg

[Sense]

He said cause the Mexican's always respected him.


http://www.boxingscene.com/uploads/28406/PACQUIAO_TRI6.jpg

How can you not? He's always raped us

[Sense]

No. Tony will always be the winner; he's married to Eva.

I'm glad Eva is a proud Mexican fan...

[MosesGuthrie]

I'm glad Eva is a proud Mexican fan...

Maybe she roots for her home country.

[NRHector]

Maybe she roots for her home country. or for both countries

[Sense]

Maybe she roots for her home country.

She's American..... isn't that sad?

[MosesGuthrie]

or for both countries

which is cool but people born here who root for their country to lose suck.

[MosesGuthrie]

She's American..... isn't that sad?

No.....it would only be sad if she thought we were going to win the WC. :lol


So why do you hate America?

[Sense]

which is cool but people born here who root for their country to lose suck.

She's not rooting for the USA to lose.... She's just rooting for another team.

[MosesGuthrie]

She's not rooting for the USA to lose.... She's just rooting for another team.

What if Mexico plays the US and she still roots for Mexico, then she would be.

[Sense]

No.....it would only be sad if she thought we were going to win the WC. :lol


So why do you hate America?

I don't hate America at all.... I live in Texas, but I've been a Mexico fan all of my life.

[MosesGuthrie]

I don't hate America at all.... I live in Texas, but I've been a Mexico fan all of my life.

Are you an American citizen or were you born in Mexico?

[Sense]

What if Mexico plays the US and she still roots for Mexico, then she would be.

Not necessarily, she just wants Mexico to not lose :P


It would probably be a win win for her.

[Sense]

Are you an American citizen or were you born in Mexico?

Why do these things matter?

Do you hate the fact that American citizens can love a Mexican team?

[resistanze]

Sounds like a terrorist to me.

[MosesGuthrie]

Why do these things matter?

Do you hate the fact that American citizens can love a Mexican team?

I hate the fact that people born here root against their home country.

[Sense]

Sounds like a terrorist to me.

:lol

[Sense]

I hate the fact that people born here root against their home country.

They're not rooting against a country.... it's just the national TEAM...


Mexico's passion for soccer has lived forever, just because the USA team has started to get better doesn't mean people who have payed more attention to the Mexican team because of their roots should start rooting for the American team.


They're not bandwagon fans.

[Dinamita]

Marquez got me 24 fantasy points :greedy

[sonic21]

sonic, how are the French people taking it over there?

everyone is disappointed of course but we're not surprised. Since 2006, the love for the french team has decreased: too much egos on the team, arrogant and incompetent coach.

Some of our best players are not on the team, those who are playing are not playing in their true position.

The deception was huge in 2002, this year not so much coz the expectations were not that high. We're just glad Domenech is gone.

this is the worst generation for the french team since the 70s.

[MosesGuthrie]

They're not rooting against a country.... it's just the national TEAM...


Mexico's passion for soccer has lived forever, just because the USA team has started to get better doesn't mean people who have payed more attention to the Mexican team because of their roots should start rooting for the American team.


They're not bandwagon fans.

But if they are born in the US...aren't their roots American? My family is Irish and German but I wasn't born there....loyalty dictates I root for my country.

[Sense]

Marquez got me 24 fantasy points :greedy

the fuck I only got 12

[MannyIsGod]

Dude let people root for whoever they want. Jesus.

[Dinamita]

the fuck I only got 12

I have him as my Captain i think that doubles the points. Gio only got 5 dammit

[sonic21]

so you think that Mexico will be content to play Argentina :wakeup

well mexico is an offensive team so they'll try to win, but if after 70 min it's a tie and france is winning, nothing will happen the rest of the game.

[MosesGuthrie]

Dude let people root for whoever they want. Jesus.

Im not saying they can't.

[Sense]

the fuck I only got 12

If both my parents were born in Mexico, and I was raised that way, with common beliefs... Spanish as a first language in most occasions, then more than likely I will start to love a team that my dad looks up to with a passion.


You should get this through your head... It's about how someone is raised, not just because Mexico has had the better history. People start to love this team since they are kids because they look up to their parents and what they love.


Mexico's fanbase is amazing, and I'm proud to be part of it... you can't say the same about USA's fanbase because it wasn't established the same way.

[MannyIsGod]

Um, the US's fanbase (the actual fans that go to games) is pretty fucking amazing. They're just not nearly as big as Mexico's.

[TDMVPDPOY]

either rooting for ur residence country or ur roots country?

who gives a shit, talk about double standards, how about players who dont wanna play for the country they are born in but for their parents country cause of qualifying or not....fck that

let them root for whoever they want...

[MosesGuthrie]

If both my parents were born in Mexico, and I was raised that way, with common beliefs... Spanish as a first language in most occasions, then more than likely I will start to love a team that my dad looks up to with a passion.


You should get this through your head... It's about how someone is raised, not just because Mexico has had the better history. People start to love this team since they are kids because they look up to their parents and what they love.


Mexico's fanbase is amazing, and I'm proud to be part of it... you can't say the same about USA's fanbase because it wasn't established the same way.


I have no problem with parents passing on their heritage to their kids, I applaud it...but its also about loyalty to ones homeland....and if you were born in the US, that is your homeland. Did you root against the Little League kids from Texas when they played the Mexican team?

[MosesGuthrie]

who gives a shit, talk about double standards, how about players who dont wanna play for the country they are born in but for their parents country cause of qualifying or not....fck that



i don't agree with that either.

and yes, Sam's Army kicks ass. :tu

[MosesGuthrie]

Mexico's fanbase is amazing, and I'm proud to be part of it... you can't say the same about USA's fanbase because it wasn't established the same way.

Not those who lobbed urine and blood filled balloons and did the whole "Osama" chant when playing the US.

[Slo spurs fan]

Um, the US's fanbase (the actual fans that go to games) is pretty fucking amazing. They're just not nearly as big as Mexico's.

When Slovenia played in EURO 2000 10,000 fans came to Nederland and Belgum. That is 0,5% of all population. Imagine USA fans in Brazil in 2014 shuld have 1,5 MILION fans there to match our numbers. :toast

[Sense]

Um, the US's fanbase (the actual fans that go to games) is pretty fucking amazing. They're just not nearly as big as Mexico's.

lol expected a response from you.... :P

I'm not trying to take anything away from the USA fanbase, I'm not a hater... I wish they go far so they can represent CONCACAF just like I wish Mexico would.


But I have to say that the size isn't the same.... Mexico has a passion for this team, USA fanbase is always a little more conservative. I can honestly say there's people out there who would kill... literally for South Africa tickets to watch a game, I don't know if that's a compliment to the Mexican fanbase or not, but I doubt any USA fans would do the same.

It's just not the same... and It's not better or worse, there's just a huge difference in the type of passion the fans have.

You saw the game....the Mexican fans beat the vuvuzela's.... You could clearly hear Cielito Lindo because they sang it sooo loud.

I watched a clip on TV the other day... the Holland fans were all sitting down when they were up.... How can you be that spoiled?

[MosesGuthrie]

lol expected a response from you.... :P

I'm not trying to take anything away from the USA fanbase, I'm not a hater... I wish they go far so they can represent CONCACAF just like I wish Mexico would.


But I have to say that the size isn't the same.... Mexico has a passion for this team, USA fanbase is always a little more conservative. I can honestly say there's people out there who would kill... literally for South Africa tickets to watch a game, I don't know if that's a compliment to the Mexican fanbase or not, but I doubt any USA fans would do the same.

It's just not the same... and It's not better or worse, there's just a huge difference in the type of passion the fans have.

You saw the game....the Mexican fans beat the vuvuzela's.... You could clearly hear Cielito Lindo because they sang it sooo loud.

I watched a clip on TV the other day... the Holland fans were all sitting down when they were up.... How can you be that spoiled?

and you think that's ok?

[Dinamita]

People still celebrating like crazy down here. Shit and if the lakers win tonight it's going to be fucking chaos.

[Sense]

Not those who lobbed urine and blood filled balloons and did the whole "Osama" chant when playing the US.

Oh you went there....

You do know why they did that right?

It's obviously something we're not proud of, but with rivalries anything comes up..

but if an American takes a piss in a sacred place in Mexico... you should be glad all you had is bags of urine and some meaningless chant.


this is an example about how conservative the US is... Everything is an atrocity...

[Sense]

and you think that's ok?

When did I say it was?

I'm saying that's how passionate our fans are, something you wouldn't understand.

[MosesGuthrie]

Oh you went there....

You do know why they did that right?

It's obviously something we're not proud of, but with rivalries anything comes up..

but if an American takes a piss in a sacred place in Mexico... you should be glad all you had is bags of urine and some meaningless chant.


this is an example about how conservative the US is... Everything is an atrocity...


If an American takes a piss somewhere sacred he should be locked up and the key should be thrown away. Its never ok to do that but its also never ok to throw urine and blood bombs...one doesn't justify the other...and those who were killed on 9/11 didn't deserve to be mocked like that. Atrocity is a strong word, one I never used so thanks for that, but the actions were very unsportsmanlike.

[MosesGuthrie]

When did I say it was?

I'm saying that's how passionate our fans are, something you wouldn't understand.

You said it as if it was ok. You didn't denouce it.

And how do you know how passionate I am or not?

[Dinamita]

People blowing vuvuzelas up and down the block wtf? :lol

[Sense]

So you do hate America...ok.

If an American takes a piss somewhere sacred he should be locked up and the key should be thrown away. Its never ok to do that but its also never ok to throw urine and blood bombs...one doesn't justify the other...and those who were killed on 9/11 didn't deserve to be mocked like that. Atrocity is a strong word, one I never used so thanks for that, but the actions were very unsportsmanlike.

Can you read?


You do know Mexico City is one of the most dangerous cities in the world right?

Now you have all these guys looking at the picture of the American taking a piss on sacred grounds and you think bags of urine was unsportsmanlike?

I'm not saying they deserved worse, I'm saying it could've easily been worse... and like I said, it's not something we're proud of, but it happens in Mexico... It's not the most stable country in the world.

[IronMexican]

lol, butthurt

[MosesGuthrie]

Can you read?


You do know Mexico City is one of the most dangerous cities in the world right?

Now you have all these guys looking at the picture of the American taking a piss on sacred grounds and you think bags of urine was unsportsmanlike?

I'm not saying they deserved worse, I'm saying it could've easily been worse... and like I said, it's not something we're proud of, but it happens in Mexico... It's not the most stable country in the world.

We're?

I thought you were American. I also both actions were wrong. Both the pissing and the piss bombs.

[Sense]

You said it as if it was ok. You didn't denouce it.

And how do you know how passionate I am or not?



I never said it was ok, but it's not like I could do anything about it... and I'm definitely not promoting it.

I don't see where you're trying to go with this.

[Sense]

We're?

I thought you were American. I also both actions were wrong. Both the pissing and the piss bombs.

I never said I was American...

I never said they both weren't wrong....

[MosesGuthrie]

I never said it was ok, but it's not like I could do anything about it... and I'm definitely not promoting it.

I don't see where you're trying to go with this.

You justified it by saying it was in retaliation, making the implication that it was because of what it was in reaction to.

[Sense]

You justified it by saying it was in retaliation, making the implication that it was because of what it was in reaction to.

Why would I justify it that way?

I'm saying they should expect something worse than that from some of the most passionate fans in the world in one of the most dangerous cities in the world.

How is this not getting through your head?

You keep saying I hate America... but it seems like you hate Mexico.

[MosesGuthrie]

I never said I was American...

I never said they both weren't wrong....

That's right because when I asked if you were American or born in Mexico, you chose to ignore the question.

[MosesGuthrie]

Why would I justify it that way?

I'm saying they should expect something worse than that from some of the most passionate fans in the world in one of the most dangerous cities in the world.

How is this not getting through your head?

You keep saying I hate America... but it seems like you hate Mexico.

As much as you hate America. :)

I have no problem with them but loyalty dictates I root for the US first. I don't wish them ill though.

[Sense]

That's right because when I asked if you were American or born in Mexico, you chose to ignore the question.

And you chose to assume, clearly I'm done talking to you. Just another bonehead who won't listen to the other side of the story.

:toast

have it your way...

[NRHector]

And you chose to assume, clearly I'm done talking to you. Just another bonehead who won't listen to the other side of the story.

:toast

have it your way...:lol

[MosesGuthrie]

And you chose to assume, clearly I'm done talking to you. Just another bonehead who won't listen to the other side of the story.

:toast

have it your way...

So you're afraid of the question? If you are proud of your heritage, why not say where you were born? Im willing to listen to your side and i have, you're just mad because I see things differently, which is oddly what you were trying to say earlier to me about rooting for Mexico.

[Slo spurs fan]

:wakeup

[ElNono]

:corn:

[NRHector]

wtf happened? are we in commercial break in this thread?

[MosesGuthrie]

wtf happened? are we in commercial break in this thread?

Sense took off. I guess I asked the wrong question. :depressed

[JoshO501]

just a game, root for whoever you want.

[Slo spurs fan]

wtf happened? are we in commercial break in this thread?

Yeah, I want my money back!

[MosesGuthrie]

Yeah, I want my money back!

Hey, I did my part. :)

I didn't say Sense or anyone couldn't root for their choice of teams...I just think its a question of loyalty. If someone lives here but was born in, say, Brazil and they root for the Brazilian team I get that but why root against your homeland if the situation arises? I was just asking questions and Sense got bent. If he was born in Mexico, cool, he implied he was from Texas though. :toast

[TDMVPDPOY]

if we knew france was this weak, maybe fifa shouldve allowed ireland there fkn spot back...fkn fifa

[MosesGuthrie]

true.

[SAtown]

Obviously the players of the game should be the goal scorers, but to me, it was Salcido a Rafa. I thought putting Rafa in as a defensive mid was a HUGE mistake vs SA (mainly because I didn't trust Maza by himself), but since the defense did well, Rafa was able to show some offensive spark along with his usual defensive intensity.

As for Salcido, you couldn't ask anymore from him. He's been so solid in Holland these past few years, and it's shown. He can defend like an animal, he has a good shot, he passes very well, etc... If only we had a defense like this during the 98 world cup....

Also, I'll eat my crow for talking shit about Conejo. I'm to blame for not trusting him, for not giving him a chance; on the other hand, Mexican futbol has taught me to not fucking trust any mexican goalkeeper, whether it be for my club team (rayados) or for Mexico. Today, Conejo proved me (as well as a ton of other people) wrong.

[IronMexican]

France had no real opportunities at gol. We've still yet to see what Conejo is made of.

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah Conejo had like one worthwhile save and I saw him out of position on several plays. I'm not sure why anyone is giving him props.

[monosylab1k]

I'm saying that's how passionate our fans are, something you wouldn't understand.

There's a line between being passionate and being a bunch of stupid faggots, and it's not all that thin.

[SAtown]

Yeah Conejo had like one worthwhile save and I saw him out of position on several plays. I'm not sure why anyone is giving him props.

LMAO Do you even watch soccer besides the world cup? Do you know how worthless Mexican goalkeepers are? What Conejo did today is comparable to a Mexican style "Peter Schmeichel" performance. He had more than enough good saves (i've rewatched the match already).

The sentiment in Mexico is that Aguirre is an idiot and no goalie has been good since Jorge Campos (who wasn't fantastic by any means).

[romain.star]

Congrats Mexico.

The game was really boring (as usual with France) but yet i have appreciated some of your offensive young guns. Quick and skilled.

Wish you guys good luck against Argentina (IMO, Uruguay is a bit better than Mexico)

As for us poor french fans, this game marks the end of one of our worst era ever: FUCK YOU Domenech and FUCK YOU OVERPAID PRIMA DONAS... Time to GTFO

[IronMaxipad]

http://i46.tinypic.com/34teut3.jpg

[TDMVPDPOY]

Congrats Mexico.

The game was really boring (as usual with France) but yet i have appreciated some of your offensive young guns. Quick and skilled.

Wish you guys good luck against Argentina (IMO, Uruguay is a bit better than Mexico)

As for us poor french fans, this game marks the end of one of our worst era ever: FUCK YOU Domenech and FUCK YOU OVERPAID PRIMA DONAS... Time to GTFO

I Dunno why they kept on showing Henry from the bench, as if he was going to contribute since his been shit every since making his move to barca, hasnt done shit since on the national team...

[FkLA]

LMAO Do you even watch soccer besides the world cup? Do you know how worthless Mexican goalkeepers are? What Conejo did today is comparable to a Mexican style "Peter Schmeichel" performance. He had more than enough good saves (i've rewatched the match already).

The sentiment in Mexico is that Aguirre is an idiot and no goalie has been good since Jorge Campos (who wasn't fantastic by any means).

???

Conejo was good in his prime in 02'. Oswaldo was good in 06' and is still a good goalie. Ochoa and Michel are both solid goalies. Conejo sucks and shouldnt be starting but that doesnt mean Mexico doesnt have any quality goalies.



Hey, I did my part. :)

I didn't say Sense or anyone couldn't root for their choice of teams...I just think its a question of loyalty. If someone lives here but was born in, say, Brazil and they root for the Brazilian team I get that but why root against your homeland if the situation arises? I was just asking questions and Sense got bent. If he was born in Mexico, cool, he implied he was from Texas though. :toast

I dont see the big deal if your parents are Mexican-born. Sure youre born here but you grew up with Mexican culture around your house and watching & rooting for Mexican soccer. The USA and Mexico are huge rivals in soccer, so why wouldnt someone in that situation 'hate' the USA NT?

[Sense]

???

Conejo was good in his prime in 02'. Oswaldo was good in 06' and is still a good goalie. Ochoa and Michel are both solid goalies. Conejo sucks and shouldnt be starting but that doesnt mean Mexico doesnt have any quality goalies.


I'm sorry but this is just being a homer...

Oswaldo was always a horrible for us.... he's still a good goalie? hahahhaa

He's been washed up for years. Conejo and Oswaldo were good at some point of their careers, but for the most part, they're just mediocre goalkeepers.

The closest goalkeepers we have to being good are Ochoa and Michel and maybe Corona... with Ochoa having the most potential and still improving.

We don't have the worst goalkeepers in the tournament, but they definitely aren't good.

I'm still looking forward to seeing Ochoa improve as a player, but seeing him on the bench isn't helping.

[FkLA]

Im not trying to say that theyre Buffon or Casillas but they also arent "worthless".

Conejo is past his prime I agree plus the fact that he's like 5 feet tall has always made me real uncomfortable. But Oswaldo was always horrible for Mexico, really? Name a time where he was horrible. Was it during that great Confederations Cup? Copa America? The 06' World Cup? Qualifiers? Cause I dont think many people would agree if you said he had bad performances during those competitions. He's a natural leader and has alot of experience under his belt. If Aguirre wanted an experienced keeper he shouldve gone with Oswaldo not Conejo.

[Dinamita]

You must be a hardcore chivas fan.. Let me guess Bofo is a beast too amirite? :lol

[FkLA]

Im a Pumas fan.

I just dont get how Mexico's goalies have ever been "worthless" or "horrible". Like I said Im not saying theyre Buffon or anything, simply that theyre solid. Goalkeepers is not something Mexico has been lacking. That would be forwards and creative mids.

[Phenomanul]

Im not trying to say that theyre Buffon or Casillas but they also arent "worthless".

Conejo is past his prime I agree plus the fact that he's like 5 feet tall has always made me real uncomfortable. But Oswaldo was always horrible for Mexico, really? Name a time where he was horrible. Was it during that great Confederations Cup? Copa America? The 06' World Cup? Qualifiers? Cause I dont think many people would agree if you said he had bad performances during those competitions. He's a natural leader and has alot of experience under his belt. If Aguirre wanted an experienced keeper he shouldve gone with Oswaldo not Conejo.


The game against Argentina where he conceded 3 keeper goals....

Oswaldo's problem were always his feet... his clearance of the ball in pressure situations almost always ended falling to the opposing team or out of bounds...

[DAF86]

Oswaldo's problem were always his feet... his clearance of the ball in pressure situations almost always ended falling to the opposing team or out of bounds...

Meh, that's not so bad of a problem for a goalkeeper.

[Phenomanul]

He helped turn the tide for Mexico's NT when Aguirre took over the reigns in the middle of World Cup qualification at a point when things looked rather bleak...

For those that undervalue what he brings to the table... Blanco set up the first goal against the US at Aztec stadium last August... and has always been dependable for penalty kicks (something that can't be said for our other forwards... even Gio has missed a PK for the NT)...

I think what we saw last Friday were effects from entering "cold" into the game (on a chilly afternoon no less...) Initially, he couldn't even control the ball and looked even slower than normal :wow... after warming up, however, he did manage to draw two free-kicks, and gave Carlos Vela a 'crack' pass in the box that should have resulted in a score (one Carlos didn't handle too well)...

Given the weather prognostication he better bundle up if he plans on subbing in....

That's why he takes the shots... the pressure doesn't get to him... (only his old legs). Impeccable shot on yesterday's PK, despite the goalie guessing correctly...

[Phenomanul]

Meh, that's not so bad of a problem for a goalkeeper.

It doesn't exude confidence for the defense...

[Phenomanul]

oh... and LOL @ MosesGuthrie... implying that soccer allegiances somehow outweigh nationalistic loyalty... it's only futbol. As passionately as I love the game, playing it, following it, defending it and cheering for it... it's still only a game...

That said,

I root for all CONCACAF teams... it strenghthens the perception of footballing class for this region...

[DAF86]

It doesn't exude confidence for the defense...

True, but I prefer my goalkeeper to be insecure with his feet rather than his hands like Perez.

[samikeyp]

???

I dont see the big deal if your parents are Mexican-born. Sure youre born here but you grew up with Mexican culture around your house and watching & rooting for Mexican soccer. The USA and Mexico are huge rivals in soccer, so why wouldnt someone in that situation 'hate' the USA NT?

Some people see it as a question of loyalty. I have literally seen people in a sports bar watching a US-Mexico game wearing an American flag t-shirt cheering on Mexico. Some see it as being disloyal to their country of birth. I am not saying that is what they are doing, I am just saying some people I have talked to have that perception. I think that is a bit much. Its only a game.

I can only speak for myself but while I agree with rooting for your home country, I understand why some folks root for the Mexican NT. For years, they didn't have an alternative....the US didn't really have much of a program to follow and Mexico has been a player on the world stage for decades. Since making it back to the WC in 1990 and then hosting in 94, I think there has been a better program to follow and more kids will be able to grow up with a good US program.

I equate it to Spurs fans who dislike the Mavs but like the Cowboys. Its the team you root for, not the city.

The problem here is one that is common in a lot of sports fan bases and really in society. We tend to take things way too personally and if someone doesn't agree with us, we get bent out of shape. I root for all US teams regardless of sport whenever I watch sporting events and I don't agree with my countrymen when they do it but just because I don't like it, doesn't mean they can't do it, shouldn't do it or that I have the right to tell them not to. Its ok that we all don't agree everything or that we do things differently. Root for who you want and have fun. :)

One thing our friend Moses is forgetting is that one of the great things about living in the US is that you have the freedom to root for who you wish. :)

[Phenomanul]

True, but I prefer my goalkeeper to be insecure with his feet rather than his hands like Perez.

You would defend Oswaldo... :lol

He gave Argentina three goals at the last Copa América... and conceded that goal against Argentina in the 2006 edition of the World Cup (Crespo's goal... Maxi's was pretty much unstoppable for any goalie)...

That said, I'm not trying to defend Oscar Perez... he still seems to be playing out of position on many plays... luckily for Mexico and their defense, the French couldn't really muster up any real scoring opportunities to test 'Conejo's' goalkeeping prowess...

P.S. As far as goalies go... I was a big fan of Adolfo Ríos...

[DAF86]

You would defend Oswaldo... :lol

He gave Argentina three goals at the last Copa América...

That said, I'm not trying to defend Oscar Perez... he still seems to be playing out of position on many plays... luckily for Mexico and their defense, the French couldn't really muster up any real scoring opportunities....

P.S. As far as goalies go... I was a big fan of Adolfo Ríos...

Not much he could do here, imho ;)


N3BkVZni0wI

And the third one was a penalty.

Either way, I'm not defending Sanchez, I just don't like Perez. Ochoa should be your keeper.

[Phenomanul]

Not much he could do here, imho ;)


N3BkVZni0wI

I can't see youtubes (embedded or otherwise) from work... but if it's the play I recall where Messi lobs it over Oswaldo's head, Oswaldo had no reason to come out and concede that space; Messi was met by a defender with a second one close by... goalies are supposed to come out and shorten the shot angles only when the defense has been compromised... IMO Oswaldo overreacted and paid for it... magistral touch by Messi though...



And the third one was a penalty.

Either way, I'm not defending Sanchez, I just don't like Perez. Ochoa should be your keeper.

Ochoa is Mexico's best keeper...

[Sense]

P.S. As far as goalies go... I was a big fan of Adolfo Ríos...

So if I was a chivas fan, then you must be an America fan...

[FkLA]

The game against Argentina where he conceded 3 keeper goals....

Oswaldo's problem were always his feet... his clearance of the ball in pressure situations almost always ended falling to the opposing team or out of bounds...

Watch the vid DAF provided when youre not at work, Oswaldo is well within the small box area on the Messi goal...he moves to cover the right post like any other goalie would and Messi just made a great play like he has done so many times to so many goalies. The third goal was a penalty so how exactly is that a keeper goal. The First goal I'll concede, he fucked up.

No goalie is perfect and his good with the NT outweighted the bad. Wasnt he like goalie of the competition in the Confederations Cup? He had a solid WC in 06'. Solid overall performance in that Copa America. Hand-picking a couple of mistakes and saying that he's been horrible because of them is like what recently happened with Ochoa. Its stupid.


Some people see it as a question of loyalty. I have literally seen people in a sports bar watching a US-Mexico game wearing an American flag t-shirt cheering on Mexico. Some see it as being disloyal to their country of birth. I am not saying that is what they are doing, I am just saying some people I have talked to have that perception. I think that is a bit much. Its only a game.

I can only speak for myself but while I agree with rooting for your home country, I understand why some folks root for the Mexican NT. For years, they didn't have an alternative....the US didn't really have much of a program to follow and Mexico has been a player on the world stage for decades. Since making it back to the WC in 1990 and then hosting in 94, I think there has been a better program to follow and more kids will be able to grow up with a good US program.

I equate it to Spurs fans who dislike the Mavs but like the Cowboys. Its the team you root for, not the city.

The problem here is one that is common in a lot of sports fan bases and really in society. We tend to take things way too personally and if someone doesn't agree with us, we get bent out of shape. I root for all US teams regardless of sport whenever I watch sporting events and I don't agree with my countrymen when they do it but just because I don't like it, doesn't mean they can't do it, shouldn't do it or that I have the right to tell them not to. Its ok that we all don't agree everything or that we do things differently. Root for who you want and have fun. :)

One thing our friend Moses is forgetting is that one of the great things about living in the US is that you have the freedom to root for who you wish. :)

Well for me personally its cause I have alot of Mexican ties. Mexican-born parents, grew up with Mexican-culture, still have family in Mexico, visit Mexico annually, etc. I was born here and reside here but I still feel like Im Mexican just as much if not more than I am American (a big contrast from alot of 'mexicans' here in SA). I dont root for Mexico because there was no alternative back in the day with a lack of a quality USA NT...that'd be pretty weak imo. I might be tempted to agree with Moses if I encountered a fan that did that, because I'll be honest I hate people here in SA that will root for the Lakers despite the fact that the Spurs are the only pro team we have.