Only Kobe could manage to win a Championship while having his legacy take a hit

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Pathetic performance by him last night.

I was always a huge supporter of Kobe despite my hate for the Lakers, but if it wasn't for the all biased reffing in the fourth quarter last night, everyone would be talking about Kobe being one of the biggest Finals chokers of all time.

What a joke

[TheMACHINE]

Pathetic performance by him last night.

I was always a huge supporter of Kobe despite my hate for the Lakers, but if it wasn't for the all biased reffing in the fourth quarter last night, everyone would be talking about Kobe being one of the biggest Finals chokers of all time.

What a joke

biased reffing as in calling OBVIOUS fouls?

[BadOdor]

You seem a bit mad for someone who not a fan of either team who played in the finals.

What's up?

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Not mad, more surprised at Kobe.

I have a tremendous amount of respect for him, but seriously wtf was that shit in a Game 7?

[BadOdor]

Not mad, more surprised at Kobe.

I have a tremendous amount of respect for him, but seriously wtf was that shit in a Game 7?

Hey bro, let me put your mind at ease:

Kobe finals MVP + 5th ring.



There, feel better?

[TheMACHINE]

Not mad, more surprised at Kobe.

I have a tremendous amount of respect for him, but seriously wtf was that shit in a Game 7?

he shot bad, but i give him props for keeping up the defense and rebounding..15 rebounds!

[Leetonidas]

Shooting 25% from the field in a Finals Game 7. :lmao

[TheMACHINE]

Shooting 25% from the field in a Finals Game 7. :lmao

awwww...25% and finals MVP...kobe is sad. :lmao

[JamStone]

Game 6 of the 1996 NBA Finals. I'm going to keep posting that until some of you numbskulls actually look it up.

Luc Longley and Dennis Rodman would like a re-vote on the 1996 NBA Finals MVP.

[Leetonidas]

Game 6 of the 1996 NBA Finals. I'm going to keep posting that until some of you numbskulls actually look it up.

Luc Longley and Dennis Rodman would like a re-vote on the 1996 NBA Finals MVP.

Okay...? So Jordan would have 1 less finals MVP, but still have 3 more than Kobe and 1 more ring, as well as 4 more regular season MVPs? LOL.

[Leetonidas]

By the way, he played great over the series. He definitely is the Finals MVP but come on, no one on Boston really stood out and despite them constantly choking they still took the Lakers to within 4 points in Game 7 without Perkins. I am merely laughing at his choke job here in Game 7. I mean really, 6-24?

[TheMACHINE]

By the way, he played great over the series. He definitely is the Finals MVP but come on, no one on Boston really stood out and despite them constantly choking they still took the Lakers to within 4 points in Game 7 without Perkins. I am merely laughing at his choke job here in Game 7. I mean really, 6-24?

15 rebounds? Great defense? That dont count?

[N4th4n]

15 rebounds? Great defense? That dont count?

Great defense?

[TheMACHINE]

Great defense?

they held the celtics to 79 and locked them down at the 4th..so yah,...ill say great defense.

[Giuseppe]

Testify, MACHINE, testify!!!!!!!!!

[TheMACHINE]

Testify, MACHINE, testify!!!!!!!!!

I got all day.

[Mavs_man_41]

lol kobe flatterers

[Frenzy]

He sucked at shooting. But that's about it.

[ulosturedge]

It was funny how the crowd stopped chanting MVP for Kobe in the middle of the game. As if it was going to rattle the poor guy even more lol. He is clutch in regular season games and is a very efficient player, but in the most dire of situations he cowers and folds. Getting bailed out by everyone elses clutch shooting when it matters. When everything is truly on the line he hardly ever steps up.

Last night he got bailed out by his team, his coach, an injured perkins, and home court advantage.

Congratulations to the Lakers though.

[Cane]

Game 6 of the 1996 NBA Finals. I'm going to keep posting that until some of you numbskulls actually look it up.

Luc Longley and Dennis Rodman would like a re-vote on the 1996 NBA Finals MVP.

MJ was also 33 years old, two years older than 2010 Kobe. For the overall 1996 playoffs run, MJ averaged a 26.7 PER which Kobe only has exceeded once in his career.

[JamStone]

MJ was also 33 years old, two years older than 2010 Kobe. For the overall 1996 playoffs run, MJ averaged a 26.7 PER which Kobe only has exceeded once in his career.

So now we add qualifiers? Jordan also took 18 months off from basketball and didn't have the wear and tear Kobe had for these playoffs, let alone the finger and knee injuries Kobe is suffering from.

While I do defend Kobe a lot, I'm not going to simply stroke him off. Kobe shot horribly from the field last night. If the Finals MVP was based on game 7 and game 7 only, I wouldn't have given it to Kobe, despite the fact he actually played a pretty good game other than shooting. I'd probably give it to Artest. Artest made the most positive impact on the game last night for the Lakers.

But, what I challenge are Kobe haters who hate on Kobe for no other reason but simply to hate on Kobe. Kobe was by and far the biggest reason the Lakers were even in position to play in a game 7 after what happened in games 4 and 5 in Boston. And his overall Finals series as well as playoffs this year was incredible, game 7 aside.

[RsxPiimp]

Kobe's defense was great last night, sure he had a stinking shooting game, but his 15 rebounds ( 5x more than Garnett) was huge for a team missing Andrew Bynum's presence. Its most certainly one of the reasons why the Lakers won that game.



Again, the owner of this 28.6 PPG 8 RPG 4 APG 2 SPG average and I think the highest TS% among all players in the Finals truly deserves his MVP. There's simply no one out there who deserves it more.

[BeeGee]

Pathetic performance by him last night.

I was always a huge supporter of Kobe despite my hate for the Lakers, but if it wasn't for the all biased reffing in the fourth quarter last night, everyone would be talking about Kobe being one of the biggest Finals chokers of all time.

What a joke

http://telepromptedanthems.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/u-mad1.jpg

[TheMACHINE]

no offense but Kobe was guarding Rondo, and by guarding him, giving him 10 feet to shoot a jumper.

no offense taken...thats the strategy and he did well implementing it right?

[Cane]

So now we add qualifiers? Jordan also took 18 months off from basketball and didn't have the wear and tear Kobe had for these playoffs, let alone the finger and knee injuries Kobe is suffering from.

MJ probably had nagging injuries as well but yea thats true. Still its worth noting that MJ was two years older than Kobe when you're trying to compare their stats like that as is pointing out Jordan's baseball "career". Pretty incredible that a guy like Jordan was able to have such a high PER throughout his career and just an overall efficient game even into the 30's.



While I do defend Kobe a lot, I'm not going to simply stroke him off. Kobe shot horribly from the field last night. If the Finals MVP was based on game 7 and game 7 only, I wouldn't have given it to Kobe, despite the fact he actually played a pretty good game other than shooting. I'd probably give it to Artest. Artest made the most positive impact on the game last night for the Lakers.

But, what I challenge are Kobe haters who hate on Kobe for no other reason but simply to hate on Kobe. Kobe was by and far the biggest reason the Lakers were even in position to play in a game 7 after what happened in games 4 and 5 in Boston. And his overall Finals series as well as playoffs this year was incredible, game 7 aside.

Kobe is undoubtedly a top 10 GOAT and the Lakers playoffs/Finals MVP. No question. However it when you start bringing in MJ is when you'll find arguments.

[baseline bum]

So now we add qualifiers? Jordan also took 18 months off from basketball and didn't have the wear and tear Kobe had for these playoffs, let alone the finger and knee injuries Kobe is suffering from.

While I do defend Kobe a lot, I'm not going to simply stroke him off. Kobe shot horribly from the field last night. If the Finals MVP was based on game 7 and game 7 only, I wouldn't have given it to Kobe, despite the fact he actually played a pretty good game other than shooting. I'd probably give it to Artest. Artest made the most positive impact on the game last night for the Lakers.

But, what I challenge are Kobe haters who hate on Kobe for no other reason but simply to hate on Kobe. Kobe was by and far the biggest reason the Lakers were even in position to play in a game 7 after what happened in games 4 and 5 in Boston. And his overall Finals series as well as playoffs this year was incredible, game 7 aside.

Calling Kobe's Finals incredible is a bit much. Kobe's WCF were incredible. Kobe's Finals were a lot of him taking horrible shots like it was 2005 all over again. The Lakers won this series by manning up and playing outstanding defense, not with the scorching hot offense than ran all over the western conference in earlier rounds.

[Giuseppe]

Calling Kobe's Finals incredible is a bit much. Kobe's WCF were incredible. Kobe's Finals were a lot of him taking horrible shots like it was 2005 all over again. The Lakers won this series by manning up and playing outstanding defense, not with the scorching hot offense than ran all over the western conference in earlier rounds.

Isn't Base just precious since his Award?

[024]

it's pretty sad gasol is getting no credit. after kobe welted under the pressure and the lakers needed someone to step up, gasol did it. i expected a shootout between pierce and kobe. instead, it was gasol against the corpses of ray allen and paul pierce.

[RsxPiimp]

Well of course. But to say he played great defense, is a farce he didn't play defense at all.


Kobe had 15 rebounds. To say he didnt play defense is a farce.

[RsxPiimp]

Calling Kobe's Finals incredible is a bit much. Kobe's WCF were incredible. Kobe's Finals were a lot of him taking horrible shots like it was 2005 all over again. The Lakers won this series by manning up and playing outstanding defense, not with the scorching hot offense than ran all over the western conference in earlier rounds.

Kobe had 2 bad games.


28.6/ 8 Rpg /4 Apg/ 2 Spg is incredible in this series standards. You can make your case for Gasol, but no other player had a better series than Kobe.

[JamStone]

Calling Kobe's Finals incredible is a bit much. Kobe's WCF were incredible. Kobe's Finals were a lot of him taking horrible shots like it was 2005 all over again. The Lakers won this series by manning up and playing outstanding defense, not with the scorching hot offense than ran all over the western conference in earlier rounds.

Kobe averaged 28 points per game in a series where both teams scored less than 91 points per game and where not one other player on either team even averaged 20 ppg. Not one other player on either team. And Kobe averaged 28 points.

Where both teams combined shot 42.9% (minus Kobe's FG/FGA) from the field, Kobe shot just as well as the rest of the players. Aside from the shooting debacle of game 7, Kobe shot 43.2% from the field. Still quite low, but better than the rest of the players combined on the court for the entire series. His poor shooting is noted. In the defensive struggle of the series, it was pretty much par for the course.

So, yes, his Finals performance was highlighted by a dreadful game 7 shooting night. He also averaged 8 rebounds, 4 assists, and 2 steals for the series. He was the second leading rebounder of the series after Pau. He held Rondo to 3 points fewer, 2.4 fewer assists, and a slightly worse shooting percentage than his playoff averages. It's not Kobe's fault that Rondo couldn't shoot. Kobe took advantage of that, played off him, and it allowed Kobe to rebound and play passing lanes and help on others on defense. That's just good strategy.

Kobe had an incredible Finals, which some choose to mar by his game 7 shooting performance. Like I said, aside from game 7, his Finals and overall playoff performance was incredible. People are choosing to look only at Kobe's shooting to discredit him.

[Killakobe81]

Kobe averaged 28 points per game in a series where both teams scored less than 91 points per game and where not one other player on either team even averaged 20 ppg. Not one other player on either team. And Kobe averaged 28 points.

Where both teams combined shot 42.9% (minus Kobe's FG/FGA) from the field, Kobe shot just as well as the rest of the players. Aside from the shooting debacle of game 7, Kobe shot 43.2% from the field. Still quite low, but better than the rest of the players combined on the court for the entire series. His poor shooting is noted. In the defensive struggle of the series, it was pretty much par for the course.

So, yes, his Finals performance was highlighted by a dreadful game 7 shooting night. He also averaged 8 rebounds, 4 assists, and 2 steals for the series. He was the second leading rebounder of the series after Pau. He held Rondo to 3 points fewer, 2.4 fewer assists, and a slightly worse shooting percentage than his playoff averages. It's not Kobe's fault that Rondo couldn't shoot. Kobe took advantage of that, played off him, and it allowed Kobe to rebound and play passing lanes and help on others on defense. That's just good strategy.

Kobe had an incredible Finals, which some choose to mar by his game 7 shooting performance. Like I said, aside from game 7, his Finals and overall playoff performance was incredible. People are choosing to look only at Kobe's shooting to discredit him.

Great post Jamstone.

Jamstone has been on fire all day.

He rakes Kobe when he should (like for last night) and defends him when the haters go over the top ...i respect that.

You can not (if being honest) call him a Kobe fanboi ...

[HarlemHeat37]

I respect JamStone as a poster, I voted for him for All-Spurs Talk, but it annoys me how he calls us out(haters), usually using extreme hyperbole, but he pretty much does the same thing himself from a pro-Kobe side..

Kobe routinely shoots below his team's %, this isn't a new trend, it has happened during many regular seasons and playoffs..he shot 40.4% for the series, you can't just ignore game 7, that's pretty bad for a guy that receives so much hype TBH..Kobe's efficiency is usually below other guys of his caliber..

Kobe was the best player during the Finals, but saying his performance was incredible is insulting IMO..it's even insulting to Kobe IMO, considering he's better than that..

Kobe struggled with his shooting against the elite and good/great defensive teams he went up against(OKC, Boston), and dominated the below average(Utah w/o Kirilenko) and horrible(Phoenix) defensive teams..

He deserved the Finals MVP and he deserves to be credited as the #1 player for LA's run this year(with Pau as the 1a), but he didn't have an "incredible" run by any means, no matter how much you say it..he had amazing series' vs. Utah and Phoenix, especially Phoenix, it was one of the best series' I've ever seen from a player..but overall, I wouldn't call his playoffs "incredible", it's a stretch..

It's laughable how much hypocrisy is involved when it comes to Kobe though, it amazes me..

-Why is Kobe getting so much credit for rebounding?..I"ll give him credit, shit, it's impressive..but why did NOBODY talk about Lebron's rebounding vs. Boston?..all they talked about was how he didn't play well and how the Cavs lost, they ignore his amazing rebounding?..

-Defense?..one guy was sagging of Rondo all series, while Lebron completely shut down Paul Pierce for their entire series..however, this was completely ignored, while Kobe gets some love for his defense..

The hypocrisy involved when it comes to Kobe is amazing TBH..they completely ignored all the positive Lebron did, focused on his struggles in game 6, they said Kobe was better due to killer instinct and a post up game, but they all twist it around when Kobe was even worse vs. Boston..the difference was clearly in their teammates..

As for Jordan, MJ has had some bad playoff series' too, he's even had some bad Finals(for his standards)..some people tend to overrate Jordan as some kind of mythical figure..Kobe in his prime is actually comparable to past his prime Jordan(2nd threepeat)..the problem is that Kobe has never had a dominant NBA Finals, he's never been a big performer in close-out playoff games, and he simply doesn't match up with other greats when you're comparing their performances in the Finals..he certainly matches up with them as an overall player, but he's still lacking in the Finals..

[JamStone]

I'm not ignoring game 7 but I put the rest of the Finals series in perspective for Kobe. You don't take away his game 7 shooting. That's an obvious and absolutely legitimate criticism. But once again, look at the shooting by both clubs in the series. Take away Kobe's field goals and field goals attempted and the shooting for the series is still under 43% by both teams combined. KG had a good shooting series. Odom and Gasol were pretty good. But Kobe is what he is. He's a volume scorer. He'll take a lot of shots and he's going to miss his share. He's not about efficiency. He's about the end result, winning. I say it's fair to criticize him for that. But as a fan, I don't care if a player shoots 75% from the field or 25% from the field as long as the team wins.

And what gets me is how Kobe "haters" (call it whatever you like) or his critics spin the game to discredit no matter what happens. You know it's easy to bash Kobe for his shooting last night. But most "critics" ignore the fact that Kobe actually stopped shooting last night because he knew he wasn't shoot good enough. He took 14 shots in the first half. He ended with shooting 24 shots for the night. He only took 4 shots in the fourth quarter and one of them was a shock clock winding down three pointer. He stopped taking those forced jumpers. I'm sure everyone in the world expected him to take like 12-15 FGA in that fourth quarter, fanbois and haters alike. But you know what, there isn't a soul who will give him credit for actually being more judicious with his shot selection late in a close game where everything was on the line and where he was shooting so poorly. That goes unnoticed because of the bottomline boxscore. Kobe is the only superstar player in any major sport who will catch heat no matter what he does. Passes the ball and doesn't take a lot of shots, and he's quitting on his team and can't take over. Try and save his team by taking over and he's selfish. He catches heat no matter what. That's what gets me.

I give factual support to show that it goes beyond the shooting, critics still want to discredit it. They fall back on well he's always sucked in the Finals. Or he's still not better than Jordan. It's a never ending string of hate just because they hate him as a person, hate the Lakers, or hate the Laker fans or Kobe fans. Whatever. There are an extremely few number of non Laker fans that actually give Kobe the appropriate credit.

Fuck ESPN. Fuck those Mark Jackson and Jalen Rose Kobe knobslobbers. I'm just talking fans. Yeah, the media gets on Kobe's nuts. not as much as LeBron or Brett Favre, but there's enough in the media. But regular fans, if they aren't a fan of Kobe or the Lakers, the hate goes to extreme. That's what I see. And that's probably a big reason I'm always defending the cat so much. Truth be told, I think Kobe Bryant is a fucking prick of a person. I think he's probably a horrible husband and an apathetic father. I think he's been a horrible teammate for much of his career and I think his ego is as bad as any pro athlete out there now. But, I'm a fan of Kobe Bryant the player. I think he's been one of the best players in the history of the game. I think his talent is as much a product of his worth ethic and personal desire and determination as it is his natural God given talent. And that's why I'm a fan of his, as a player. Kobe the person can go fuck himself. Kobe the player is amazing. I'll buy a ticket to watch him play any day. Yeah, I'm a Kobe apologist, and I'm personally probably a product of the Kobe "haters."

[TampaDude]

I'm not ignoring game 7 but I put the rest of the Finals series in perspective for Kobe. You don't take away his game 7 shooting. That's an obvious and absolutely legitimate criticism. But once again, look at the shooting by both clubs in the series. Take away Kobe's field goals and field goals attempted and the shooting for the series is still under 43% by both teams combined. KG had a good shooting series. Odom and Gasol were pretty good. But Kobe is what he is. He's a volume scorer. He'll take a lot of shots and he's going to miss his share. He's not about efficiency. He's about the end result, winning. I say it's fair to criticize him for that. But as a fan, I don't care if a player shoots 75% from the field or 25% from the field as long as the team wins.

And what gets me is how Kobe "haters" (call it whatever you like) or his critics spin the game to discredit no matter what happens. You know it's easy to bash Kobe for his shooting last night. But most "critics" ignore the fact that Kobe actually stopped shooting last night because he knew he wasn't shoot good enough. He took 14 shots in the first half. He ended with shooting 24 shots for the night. He only took 4 shots in the fourth quarter and one of them was a shock clock winding down three pointer. He stopped taking those forced jumpers. I'm sure everyone in the world expected him to take like 12-15 FGA in that fourth quarter, fanbois and haters alike. But you know what, there isn't a soul who will give him credit for actually being more judicious with his shot selection late in a close game where everything was on the line and where he was shooting so poorly. That goes unnoticed because of the bottomline boxscore. Kobe is the only superstar player in any major sport who will catch heat no matter what he does. Passes the ball and doesn't take a lot of shots, and he's quitting on his team and can't take over. Try and save his team by taking over and he's selfish. He catches heat no matter what. That's what gets me.

I give factual support to show that it goes beyond the shooting, critics still want to discredit it. They fall back on well he's always sucked in the Finals. Or he's still not better than Jordan. It's a never ending string of hate just because they hate him as a person, hate the Lakers, or hate the Laker fans or Kobe fans. Whatever. There are an extremely few number of non Laker fans that actually give Kobe the appropriate credit.

Fuck ESPN. Fuck those Mark Jackson and Jalen Rose Kobe knobslobbers. I'm just talking fans. Yeah, the media gets on Kobe's nuts. not as much as LeBron or Brett Favre, but there's enough in the media. But regular fans, if they aren't a fan of Kobe or the Lakers, the hate goes to extreme. That's what I see. And that's probably a big reason I'm always defending the cat so much. Truth be told, I think Kobe Bryant is a fucking prick of a person. I think he's probably a horrible husband and an apathetic father. I think he's been a horrible teammate for much of his career and I think his ego is as bad as any pro athlete out there now. But, I'm a fan of Kobe Bryant the player. I think he's been one of the best players in the history of the game. I think his talent is as much a product of his worth ethic and personal desire and determination as it is his natural God given talent. And that's why I'm a fan of his, as a player. Kobe the person can go fuck himself. Kobe the player is amazing. I'll buy a ticket to watch him play any day. Yeah, I'm a Kobe apologist, and I'm personally probably a product of the Kobe "haters."

Can I get an AMEN??? :lol

[Amuseddaysleeper]

:lol

For the record, I don't consider myself a Kobe hater at all. He's one of my favorite non Spur players in the league, which is odd, considering the Laker are up there with the Mavs as my most hated team.

All I'm saying, is that Kobe more often than not, has been pretty poor in the NBA Finals in general. His shooting % in elimination games really says it all, and while Boston's entire M.O. was to force anyone but Kobe to beat them, it's hard not to be a little bit miffed at his Game 7 performance.

It'll be interesting to see how he holds up next year.

[mystargtr34]

I have never seen Kobe fans put so much emphasis on aspects of basketball other than scoring :lol. All of a sudden, rebounding is important, but when you compare him to LeBron, rebounding doesnt matter because Kobe's a 2-guard, assists dont matter because Kobe plays in an equal opportunity triangle offense :lol.

Dude shot 6-24 in a Finals Game 7. That shits gonna stick.

[j.dizzle]

LOL legacy talk, i'll remember that when im wasted at the parade on Monday lmao

[Chieflion]

LOL legacy talk, i'll remember that when im wasted at the parade on Monday lmao

Ok cool, so one question.



Where were you during the 2010 NBA finals?

[j.dizzle]

Ok cool, so one question.



Where were you during the 2010 NBA finals?
On vacation with ur girl. :lol

[Chieflion]

On vacation with ur girl. :lol

LOL bandwagon Lakers fan.

[JamStone]

I have never seen Kobe fans put so much emphasis on aspects of basketball other than scoring :lol. All of a sudden, rebounding is important, but when you compare him to LeBron, rebounding doesnt matter because Kobe's a 2-guard, assists dont matter because Kobe plays in an equal opportunity triangle offense :lol.

Dude shot 6-24 in a Finals Game 7. That shits gonna stick.

Scoring is not the same as shooting. Kobe had a game high 23 points last night. He scored.

Never said to disregard Kobe's poor shooting. But a knock on him has always been if he doesn't score, he doesn't help his team in any other way. Last night, he wasn't scoring efficiently, but he went and pulled down 15 rebounds. This is something he has been criticized for in the past for not doing enough of other things. It's not that rebounding and assists aren't important. They've always been important. But there are explanations why a player like Kobe won't put up the same type of rebounds and assists as a guy like LeBron. Not excuses. Reasons.

Does game 6 of the 1996 NBA Finals stick with Jordan? Should he give his 1996 Finals MVP to Dennis Rodman or Luc Longley?

[j.dizzle]

LOL bandwagon Lakers fan.
:lol butthurt

[Giuseppe]

Kobe's booty hole finally started to dilate.

[JamStone]

but it is pretty funny that Laker fans are defending his shitty shooting by saying "but he rebounded!"

Dirk shot the ball like ass against Golden State but rebounded his ass off every game. Does that mean he didn't choke? :lol


Fair point, but...

Kobe's team won.

Dirk's team lost.

[Chieflion]

:lol butthurt

Why am I butthurt? You avoided my question, gave an answer like namlook's crappy momma jokes, works only 10 years ago on the internet, only because you didn't dare to show up in the playoffs.

Let me ask again. Where were you during the 2010 NBA finals?

[JamStone]

So Pau Gasol > Josh Howard suddenly means Dirk is a choker and Kobe isn't?

Not at all. It means if the Lakers lose, Kobe's 6-for-24 really does go down in infamy as a choke. His team winning avoids that just like game 6 of the 1996 NBA Finals is not considered a choke by the GOAT. Winning changes things. Kobe choked shooting the ball last night. He felt the pressure. Both he and Phil admitted he was trying to hard, pressing. But it likely won't go down in history that way. The loss to #8 Golden State stays on Dirk because they lost. Fair or not, that's how I personally think it is.

[Booharv]

Game 6 of the 1996 NBA Finals. I'm going to keep posting that until some of you numbskulls actually look it up.

Luc Longley and Dennis Rodman would like a re-vote on the 1996 NBA Finals MVP.

Dude, I know you hate Jordan but you sound seriously retarded when you suggest that Luc Longley was more valuable in the 1996 NBA Finals than Michael Jordan.

Seriously retarded.

[j.dizzle]

Why am I butthurt? You avoided my question, gave an answer like namlook's crappy momma jokes, works only 10 years ago on the internet, only because you didn't dare to show up in the playoffs.

Let me ask again. Where were you during the 2010 NBA finals?
Cancun brotha. LOL at you acting all serious on an internet forum :lmao

[JamStone]

Dude, I know you hate Jordan but you sound seriously retarded when you suggest that Luc Longley was more valuable in the 1996 NBA Finals than Michael Jordan.

Seriously retarded.

If you don't understand that it's not-so-serious response to people arguing Ron Artest deserved the MVP for the Finals, then I don't know what to tell you.

[Ashy Larry]

Larry Bird lost to Magic twice but his legacy isn't tarnished.

[MiamiHeat]

LOL Jamstone once again. Time to set him straight, once again.

1) Game 6, 1996 NBA Finals was NOT an elimination game for the Bulls. Chicago was up 3-2 going into Game 6, which means it was an elimination game for the Sonics, NOT THE BULLS. Chicago was only looking to close out the series, but MJ was in no danger of being eliminated that night.

COMPLETELY different scenario than a Game 7, win or go home for Kobe.

So JamStone = WRONG, strike 1

2) Jordan was guarded all series by Defensive Player of the Year, Gary Payton. Yeah, 1996 is the year Gary won DPOY.

FACT = Gary Payton is the ONLY POINT GUARD IN NBA HISTORY TO WIN DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR. He is a future Hall of Famer as soon as he is eligible.

Payton also has 9 All-NBA Defensive teams. Gary Payton is among the best defensive players that have EVER PLAYED IN THE NBA, period. He is a Hall of Famer

Who was guarding Kobe Bryant?

Ray Allen, and Tony Allen. Neither player has won a DPOY, or even a SINGLE appearance on an All-Defensive team. Neither player has EVER won a single defensive recognition.

JamStone = wrong again, strike 2

I will save strike 3 for later.

[Chieflion]

Cancun brotha. LOL at you acting all serious on an internet forum :lmao

Thanks for replying.



LOL Bandwagon Lakers fan.

[Booharv]

If you don't understand that it's not-so-serious response to people arguing Ron Artest deserved the MVP for the Finals, then I don't know what to tell you.

My bad, I don't spend enough time here to get all of the in jokes.

[MiamiHeat]

This is definitely going down as the WORST Finals MVP presentation in the history of the NBA.

but again, the NBA Is a show.

Kobe Bryant is the comic book "Leader" of his Laker team, and so he gets credit by default.

[j.dizzle]

Thanks for replying.



LOL Bandwagon Lakers fan.

LOL at thinking that sitting on a basketball forum all day makes you a real fan:lol. Some of us actually do shit

[JamStone]

LOL Jamstone once again. Time to set him straight, once again.

1) Game 6, 1996 NBA Finals was NOT an elimination game for the Bulls. Chicago was up 3-2 going into Game 6, which means it was an elimination game for the Sonics, NOT THE BULLS. Chicago was only looking to close out the series, but MJ was in no danger of being eliminated that night.

COMPLETELY different scenario than a Game 7, win or go home for Kobe.

So JamStone = WRONG, strike 1

2) Jordan was guarded all series by Defensive Player of the Year, Gary Payton. Yeah, 1996 is the year Gary won DPOY.

FACT = Gary Payton is the ONLY POINT GUARD IN NBA HISTORY TO WIN DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR. He is a future Hall of Famer as soon as he is eligible.

Payton also has 9 All-NBA Defensive teams. Gary Payton is among the best defensive players that have EVER PLAYED IN THE NBA, period. He is a Hall of Famer

Who was guarding Kobe Bryant?

Ray Allen, and Tony Allen. Neither player has won a DPOY, or even a SINGLE appearance on an All-Defensive team. Neither player has EVER won a single defensive recognition.

JamStone = wrong again, strike 2

I will save strike 3 for later.


When have I ever said that it was an elimination game for Chicago. I didn't. How was anything I wrote wrong?

Ray Allen and Tony Allen did a pretty good job at defending Kobe, but it was the Celtics team defense as a whole that made it so tough for Kobe. You know, that Celtics team that despite all their problems this season had a top 5 team defensive rating.

Also, 1996 wasn't the only poor shooting Finals Jordan had. He shot under 43% in the 1998 Finals, being guarded by Hornacek, Bryon Russell, and Shandon Anderson. None of them DPOY. None of them ever on an all NBA defensive team. That Utah team was ranked 17th out of 29 teams that year in team defensive rating. Not that great a defensive team. Not horrible, but not great.

What was Michael's excuse for that series? He took 35 shots in game 6 of that series. That's even with taking 15 free throws. Do you know how much Kobe would get killed for taking 35 shots in a game, especially if he's not shooting anywhere close to 50%?



You're trying too hard.

And it didn't work.

[Chieflion]

LOL at thinking that sitting on a basketball forum all day makes you a real fan:lol. Some of us actually do shit

Maybe if you show up once in the middle of the NBA finals, maybe I would believe you, bandwagon Laker fan.

[j.dizzle]

Crucify em Jam, crucify em!!! hahahaha damn this dude straight tearing assholes today with his replies.

[cobbler]

This is definitely going down as the WORST Finals MVP presentation in the history of the NBA.

but again, the NBA Is a show.

Kobe Bryant is the comic book "Leader" of his Laker team, and so he gets credit by default.

That it's tearing your heart out... is pure icing!!!!! :lol

[MiamiHeat]

When have I ever said that it was an elimination game for Chicago. I didn't. How was anything I wrote wrong?

:lmao backtracking faster than a pickup truck

You brought it up as a comparison to Kobe's game 7.

No comparison to be made, since both are completely different situations.

Fail



Ray Allen and Tony Allen did a pretty good job at defending Kobe, but it was the Celtics team defense as a whole that made it so tough for Kobe. You know, that Celtics team that despite all their problems this season had a top 5 team defensive rating.

2010 Boston Celtics defensive rating = 5th

1996 Seattle SuperSonics defensive rating = 2nd




Also, 1996 wasn't the only poor shooting Finals Jordan had. He shot under 43% in the 1998 Finals, being guarded by Hornacek, Bryon Russell, and Shandon Anderson. None of them DPOY. None of them ever on an all NBA defensive team. That Utah team was ranked 17th out of 29 teams that year in team defensive rating. Not that great a defensive team. Not horrible, but not great.

Grasping at straws now :lmao

MJ was 35 years old in 1998. Ancient by NBA Standards.

They were seen as an old, tired team way past their prime.

Didn't matter. A 35 year old MJ still got #6.

nPYseUjOBAc

[MiamiHeat]

What was Michael's excuse for that series?

You mean the 1998 NBA Finals, in which MJ's legendary "Final shot" sequence? The one where he singlehandedly won the series in Utah? Scored, stole the ball from Karl Malone, then scored again to win the game with 5 seconds left?

Yeaaaaaah.

Strike 3 Jamstone, you're out. Your laker cocksucking is reaching levels of idiocy.

You are DESPERATELY trying to defend the undefendable, and doing it in a hilarious way.

[JamStone]

:lmao backtracking faster than a pickup truck

You brought it up as a comparison to Kobe's game 7.

No comparison to be made, since both are completely different situations.

Fail

How can I backtrack from something I never said? I was comparing shooting performances in the championship clinching game. You shouldn't accuse someone of grasping for straws when it's exactly what you're doing.




2010 Boston Celtics defensive rating = 5th

1996 Seattle SuperSonics defensive rating = 2nd

Right. Both great team defenses. Hence, both Kobe AND Michael shot the ball poorly in each respective Finals series.





Grasping at straws now :lmao

MJ was 35 years old in 1998. Ancient by NBA Standards.

They were seen as an old, tired team way past their prime.

Didn't matter. A 35 year old MJ still got #6.

I expected you to make the age argument. I'm glad you made the age argument.

Kobe critics love to shout out how Kobe is in his decline because it's not just about his age, but his "NBA years." Kobe is in his 14th NBA season. In 1998, Jordan was in his 13th NBA season, since he decided to take an 18 month hiatus (for whatever reason). Jordan actually had much less wear and tear on his body in 1998 than Kobe did this past post season.

Haven't you yourself claimed Kobe is old and past his prime? I don't know. I'm asking. Have you?

Not surprised you actually avoided my question by just throwing out the age argument.

And your last sentence is poignant.

Your criticisms of Kobe doesn't matter. He still just got #5.



Out of curiosity, who do you think should have been Finals MVP?

And I do have follow-up questions after you answer.

[MiamiHeat]

How can I backtrack from something I never said? I was comparing shooting performances in the championship clinching game. You shouldn't accuse someone of grasping for straws when it's exactly what you're doing.

Except THE PREMISE OF THIS THREAD is that Kobe, in an elimination game for the Lakers, win or go home, SUCKED.

Michael was not in danger of being eliminated Game 6, 1996 Finals.







Right. Both great team defenses. Hence, both Kobe AND Michael shot the ball poorly in each respective Finals series.

Except now we are back to my initial point.

I said Gary Payton, hall of famer, 1996 DPOY, 9 time All-Defensive team, only PG in NBA History to win DPOY, was guarding MJ.

Kobe had Ray Allen and Tony Allen guarding him, neither has won a single defensive award in their NBA career.

Your rebuttal was "but the celtics had a great team D"

Sonics had better team D. So MJ was up against a better team D, and a Hall of Famer guarding him.

:lmao shooting yourself in the foot, jamstone





Out of curiosity, who do you think should have been Finals MVP?

It doesn't matter who I think should have been Finals MVP.

The PREMISE OF THIS THREAD IS

"Only Kobe could win a ring and still having his legacy take a hit"


Give up, you are embarrassing yourself.

[MiamiHeat]

Let this thread be a witness to all

Jamstone will sometimes say anything to defend the Lakers, no matter how stupid.

and let it also record

that he got his ass handed to him AGAIN, by MiamiHeat.

Thank you :)

[baseline bum]

What was Michael's excuse for that series? He took 35 shots in game 6 of that series. That's even with taking 15 free throws. Do you know how much Kobe would get killed for taking 35 shots in a game, especially if he's not shooting anywhere close to 50%?


You compare Artest to Longley, then you're ambiguous about counting game 7 when discussing Kobe's horrendous shooting, and now you want to make the ridiculous assertion that we'd bitch about Kobe shooting 35 times in a game where he was the only decent offensive option in crunch time? Did you forget Scottie Pippen could hardly walk that game? I mean, if Gasol gets injured the first play of the game and can barely stand up straight, another of Kobe's teammates playing most of the game is Dennis Rodman with his 5 foot range on his shot, and Bynum turns into Luc Longley, I don't think anyone is going to complain about Kobe taking 35 shots. Kukoc was the only other player on that team who could be counted on for any decent level of scoring. Nevermind Jordan blowing by Russell for the layup, then stealing the ball from Malone, and then hitting the gamewinner to drag the Bulls from down 3 in the final 41 seconds of what was effectively a road elimination game for the Bulls with Pippen looking like he did.

[cobbler]

Except THE PREMISE OF THIS THREAD is that Kobe, in an elimination game for the Lakers, win or go home, SUCKED.


You are making shit up now.

BTW, When are you going to sign in with your other account and pay up?

[MiamiHeat]

You are making shit up now.

BTW, When are you going to sign in with your other account and pay up?

Ok, go PM KoriEllis right now.

Ask her if MiamiHeat lives anywhere near ChrisRichards or if they are the same poster.

Once you are done, slap yourself in the face a few times for being the dumbest poster on this board.

Just remember, even though we know you are mentally disabled and in a wheelchair, I was making fun of you for being stupid way before you told us :)

[MiamiHeat]

You compare Artest to Longley, then you're ambiguous about counting game 7 when discussing Kobe's horrendous shooting, and now you want to make the ridiculous assertion that we'd bitch about Kobe shooting 35 times in a game where he was the only decent offensive option in crunch time? Did you forget Scottie Pippen could hardly walk that game? I mean, if Gasol gets injured the first play of the game and can barely stand up straight, another of Kobe's teammates playing most of the game is Dennis Rodman with his 5 foot range on his shot, and Bynum turns into Luc Longley, I don't think anyone is going to complain about Kobe taking 35 shots. Kukoc was the only other player on that team who could be counted on for any decent level of scoring. Nevermind Jordan blowing by Russell for the layup, then stealing the ball from Malone, and then hitting the gamewinner to drag the Bulls from down 3 in the final 41 seconds of what was effectively a road elimination game for the Bulls with Pippen looking like he did.

:toast

[JamStone]

Except THE PREMISE OF THIS THREAD is that Kobe, in an elimination game for the Lakers, win or go home, SUCKED.

Michael was not in danger of being eliminated Game 6, 1996 Finals.

Except that the OP and original post said nothing of "elimination" game.

It's not your thread. It wasn't the premise of the thread.

How did you determine that it was the premise of the thread?


Pathetic performance by him last night.

I was always a huge supporter of Kobe despite my hate for the Lakers, but if it wasn't for the all biased reffing in the fourth quarter last night, everyone would be talking about Kobe being one of the biggest Finals chokers of all time.

What a joke





Except now we are back to my initial point.

I said Gary Payton, hall of famer, 1996 DPOY, 9 time All-Defensive team, only PG in NBA History to win DPOY, was guarding MJ.

Kobe had Ray Allen and Tony Allen guarding him, neither has won a single defensive award in their NBA career.

Your rebuttal was "but the celtics had a great team D"

Sonics had better team D. So MJ was up against a better team D, and a Hall of Famer guarding him.

:lmao shooting yourself in the foot, jamstone

Yes, and Michael struggled shooting the ball against the Sonics.

You're not even making a point.

My rebuttal was in response to you suggesting Ray Allen and Tony Allen aren't great defenders. But Boston played great team defense. To deny that is silly.

You only would have a legitimate argument if Michael going up against a great defense shot the ball great. He didn't. He shot horribly from the field as well.

Slap yourself awake. It's beyond me now.




It doesn't matter who I think should have been Finals MVP.

The PREMISE OF THIS THREAD IS

"Only Kobe could win a ring and still having his legacy take a hit"


Give up, you are embarrassing yourself.

Now you're changing the premise of this thread again?

Me bringing up Jordan's 1996 NBA Finals is to show that a poor shooting performance does not necessarily tarnish a legacy. Kobe was horrible last night shooting the ball. I don't deny it. I don't excuse it. But, what will be remembered is that the Lakers won the title and Kobe won Finals MVP. So many people on here didn't even know Jordan had poor shooting performances in the NBA Finals. People won't remember how bad Kobe shot the ball last night 10 years from now. They'll know he was the best player on a championship team.

BTW, raising your hand in victory like a boxer with a bloody face doesn't mean you win the match. Stop over-glorifying yourself. We have a different interpretation of who's embarrassing himself.

But I still do want to know who you think should have been the Finals MVP of this past 2010 NBA Finals.

[baseline bum]

Just remember, even though we know you are mentally disabled and in a wheelchair, I was making fun of you for being stupid way before you told us :)

That's fucked up.

[MiamiHeat]

People won't remember how bad Kobe shot the ball last night 10 years from now. They'll know he was the best player on a championship team

Kobe's game 7 choke job will be remembered every single time someone talks about his legacy.

In a pressure situation where he had to carry his team, he stunk so bad you can smell it from the moon.

and his team had to bail him out, testament to a stacked Lakers team full of talent and not kobe's greatness.

[cobbler]

Ok, go PM KoriEllis right now.

Ask her if MiamiHeat lives anywhere near ChrisRichards or if they are the same poster.

Once you are done, slap yourself in the face a few times for being the dumbest poster on this board.

Just remember, even though we know you are mentally disabled and in a wheelchair, I was making fun of you for being stupid way before you told us :)

And yet everything I have predicted while you were calling me stupid has indeed come to pass and your bandwagons have folded quicker than a house of cards. Go figure...

And now you resort to pulling the disabled card? Stay classy Miami!!! :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[cobbler]

That's fucked up.

Class act Miami is.... :toast

[JamStone]

You compare Artest to Longley, then you're ambiguous about counting game 7 when discussing Kobe's horrendous shooting, and now you want to make the ridiculous assertion that we'd bitch about Kobe shooting 35 times in a game where he was the only decent offensive option in crunch time? Did you forget Scottie Pippen could hardly walk that game? I mean, if Gasol gets injured the first play of the game and can barely stand up straight, another of Kobe's teammates playing most of the game is Dennis Rodman with his 5 foot range on his shot, and Bynum turns into Luc Longley, I don't think anyone is going to complain about Kobe taking 35 shots. Kukoc was the only other player on that team who could be counted on for any decent level of scoring. Nevermind Jordan blowing by Russell for the layup, then stealing the ball from Malone, and then hitting the gamewinner to drag the Bulls from down 3 in the final 41 seconds of what was effectively a road elimination game for the Bulls with Pippen looking like he did.

My post was to suggest it would be as ridiculous to suggest Artest deserved the Finals MVP as much as it would have been to suggest Longley deserved it in 1996. Either is ridiculous. To which varying degree, that wasn't my point.

Jordan was a chucker during the second Bulls three-peat, pure and simple. I've said this in another post. Kobe catches heat no matter what. You could give the same type of scenario that Jordan had in 1998, and there would still be Kobe critics if Kobe shot 35 times.

BTW, Steve Kerr played 24 minutes that game and took zero shot attempts. You know, that guy with the best three point shooting percentage in NBA history. Ron Harper made 3 of 4 field goals that game. Why not give him a couple more FGAs? Kukoc should have gotten more touches. If Jordan actually shared the ball that game, they wouldn't have needed the late game heroics just to win by 1...

You see what I did right there? That was just dumb rhetoric I argued. Exactly how Kobe critics would have criticized Kobe if he took 35 shots in a Finals game no matter what the circumstances are. Don't kid yourself in suggesting they wouldn't.

But hey, I'm just a Jordan hater.

Jordan won the game and the title in 1998. He deserved the NBA Finals MVP. And he's the greatest player of all time. Me bringing up Jordan in this thread is not to discredit him, but to show why I feel discrediting Kobe is itself dumb, imo.

[Mikesatx]

Kobe's game 7 choke job will be remembered every single time someone talks about his legacy.

In a pressure situation where he had to carry his team, he stunk so bad you can smell it from the moon.

and his team had to bail him out, testament to a stacked Lakers team full of talent and not kobe's greatness.

Jam is pretty spot on with all takes in this thread.

Kobe shot like shit in game 7 but they don't win without him. He was clearly the best player on the court for the series.

Just like most don't remember Jordan's poor game 6 performance no one will remember anything but Kobe being the best player on a championship team in 2010.

Hate Kobe if you want and I do but don't bullshit yourself.

[MiamiHeat]

Class act Miami is.... :toast

LOL MAKING FUN OF NBA PLAYERS IN WHEELCHAIRS EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE IN A WHEELCHAIR

LOL SAYING RAPE DOESNT MATTER AS YOU MAKE FUN OF THE SITUATION AND DEFEND KOBE

LOL CHEERING FOR A RAPIST

really, dumbest poster on ST.

I have no pity.

[MiamiHeat]

Jam is pretty spot on with all takes in this thread.

Kobe shot like shit in game 7 but they don't win without him. He was clearly the best player on the court for the series.

Just like most don't remember Jordan's poor game 6 performance no one will remember anything but Kobe being the best player on a championship team in 2010.

Hate Kobe if you want and I do but don't bullshit yourself.

lol 73 post count. jamstone or laker fans multiple accounts

[JamStone]

Kobe's game 7 choke job will be remembered every single time someone talks about his legacy.

In a pressure situation where he had to carry his team, he stunk so bad you can smell it from the moon.

and his team had to bail him out, testament to a stacked Lakers team full of talent and not kobe's greatness.

Disagree. Winning erases that memory for most people just like most people forget Jordan's game 6 in 1996.

Kobe haters like you will remember it. But most people won't. They'll remember the Lakers won the title and Kobe won Finals MVP.

[Killakobe81]

LOL Jamstone once again. Time to set him straight, once again.

1) Game 6, 1996 NBA Finals was NOT an elimination game for the Bulls. Chicago was up 3-2 going into Game 6, which means it was an elimination game for the Sonics, NOT THE BULLS. Chicago was only looking to close out the series, but MJ was in no danger of being eliminated that night.

COMPLETELY different scenario than a Game 7, win or go home for Kobe.

So JamStone = WRONG, strike 1

2) Jordan was guarded all series by Defensive Player of the Year, Gary Payton. Yeah, 1996 is the year Gary won DPOY.


FACT = Gary Payton is the ONLY POINT GUARD IN NBA HISTORY TO WIN DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR. He is a future Hall of Famer as soon as he is eligible.

Payton also has 9 All-NBA Defensive teams. Gary Payton is among the best defensive players that have EVER PLAYED IN THE NBA, period. He is a Hall of Famer

Who was guarding Kobe Bryant?

Ray Allen, and Tony Allen. Neither player has won a DPOY, or even a SINGLE appearance on an All-Defensive team. Neither player has EVER won a single defensive recognition.

JamStone = wrong again, strike 2

I will save strike 3 for later.

Sad, so sad ...obsession ...

[cobbler]

LOL MAKING FUN OF NBA PLAYERS IN WHEELCHAIRS EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE IN A WHEELCHAIR.

Never happend. I made fun like everyone else that he made such a dramatic exit and entrance. The chair was just the tool. The humor was in his drama queen antics. Wrong again!


LOL SAYING RAPE DOESNT MATTER AS YOU MAKE FUN OF THE SITUATION AND DEFEND KOBE.

Never happened. Rape is a serious issue. The argument was about racism and I said I could accept Pau's response that it was meant as a playful joke. That got expanded by your buddy Harlet and he insinuated that I make fun of rape. Never happend. That I can differentiate between an off color joke and reality and Harlet and you cannot is not my concern. Wrong again!


LOL CHEERING FOR A RAPIST.

Proof? Of course not. :wow



I have no shame.

Fixed!


Keep trying...:lmao

[peteee]

answer this: why weren't those fouls being called in quarters 1-3?
motherfucking cosigned, faggot.

it's just like calling Big Show off and inviting him in a running race with you. You start at the same starting-line from exactly the same distance from the revolver so it looks perfectly a fair game, but you know it's not a fair race for Show first of all and you're surely going to win.

[cobbler]

answer this: why weren't those fouls being called in quarters 1-3?

Because they were playing with their feet and were in defensive position as opposed to being out of gas and resulting to reaching and hacking.

It's not rocket science.

[Mikesatx]

lol 73 post count. jamstone or laker fans multiple accounts

Can't argue with my 73 wait now I have 74 posts. You have a Pistons fan laying out well thought out arguments of nothing more than Kobe's legacy shouldn't take a hit. A Spurs fan looking at that along with the puke you are spewing and agreeing with the Piston's fan. If our intelligence was determined by our post count you would still be a retard on this board. Just looking at your points you are still a retard. With that logic I guess post count doesn't mean a whole lot at least for you.

[cobbler]

Sad, so sad ...obsession ...

The OBSESSION is huge in this one. Poster boy for "butthurt".

[freedom&justice]

I'm not ignoring game 7 but I put the rest of the Finals series in perspective for Kobe. You don't take away his game 7 shooting. That's an obvious and absolutely legitimate criticism. But once again, look at the shooting by both clubs in the series. Take away Kobe's field goals and field goals attempted and the shooting for the series is still under 43% by both teams combined. KG had a good shooting series. Odom and Gasol were pretty good. But Kobe is what he is. He's a volume scorer. He'll take a lot of shots and he's going to miss his share. He's not about efficiency. He's about the end result, winning. I say it's fair to criticize him for that. But as a fan, I don't care if a player shoots 75% from the field or 25% from the field as long as the team wins.

And what gets me is how Kobe "haters" (call it whatever you like) or his critics spin the game to discredit no matter what happens. You know it's easy to bash Kobe for his shooting last night. But most "critics" ignore the fact that Kobe actually stopped shooting last night because he knew he wasn't shoot good enough. He took 14 shots in the first half. He ended with shooting 24 shots for the night. He only took 4 shots in the fourth quarter and one of them was a shock clock winding down three pointer. He stopped taking those forced jumpers. I'm sure everyone in the world expected him to take like 12-15 FGA in that fourth quarter, fanbois and haters alike. But you know what, there isn't a soul who will give him credit for actually being more judicious with his shot selection late in a close game where everything was on the line and where he was shooting so poorly. That goes unnoticed because of the bottomline boxscore. Kobe is the only superstar player in any major sport who will catch heat no matter what he does. Passes the ball and doesn't take a lot of shots, and he's quitting on his team and can't take over. Try and save his team by taking over and he's selfish. He catches heat no matter what. That's what gets me.

I give factual support to show that it goes beyond the shooting, critics still want to discredit it. They fall back on well he's always sucked in the Finals. Or he's still not better than Jordan. It's a never ending string of hate just because they hate him as a person, hate the Lakers, or hate the Laker fans or Kobe fans. Whatever. There are an extremely few number of non Laker fans that actually give Kobe the appropriate credit.

Fuck ESPN. Fuck those Mark Jackson and Jalen Rose Kobe knobslobbers. I'm just talking fans. Yeah, the media gets on Kobe's nuts. not as much as LeBron or Brett Favre, but there's enough in the media. But regular fans, if they aren't a fan of Kobe or the Lakers, the hate goes to extreme. That's what I see. And that's probably a big reason I'm always defending the cat so much. Truth be told, I think Kobe Bryant is a fucking prick of a person. I think he's probably a horrible husband and an apathetic father. I think he's been a horrible teammate for much of his career and I think his ego is as bad as any pro athlete out there now. But, I'm a fan of Kobe Bryant the player. I think he's been one of the best players in the history of the game. I think his talent is as much a product of his worth ethic and personal desire and determination as it is his natural God given talent. And that's why I'm a fan of his, as a player. Kobe the person can go fuck himself. Kobe the player is amazing. I'll buy a ticket to watch him play any day. Yeah, I'm a Kobe apologist, and I'm personally probably a product of the Kobe "haters."

:tu

[baseline bum]

My post was to suggest it would be as ridiculous to suggest Artest deserved the Finals MVP as much as it would have been to suggest Longley deserved it in 1996. Either is ridiculous. To which varying degree, that wasn't my point.


Artest winning Finals MVP isn't ridiculous like Longley of all people getting it. Los Angeles won the title because their defense was outstanding, and that started with Artest making sure Pierce had to give up the ball a lot, take tough shots, and hold the ball too much. He was the main reason it was such a struggle for Boston to get anything in the half court for most of the series. There were so many times Boston just pissed their 24 seconds away because Pierce would get the ball, find out he wasn't in a good position to attack Artest, dump it back to Rondo, call for it again, still find nothing good, and then be forced to take a low percentage jumpshot. Artest ensured there would be no repeat of Pierce shredding the Lakers defense inside/out like in 08. Of course they don't win the series without Kobe, but they also don't win that series without any one of Artest, Gasol, Fisher, or Bynum either. Kobe was too much McGrady/Iverson this series, instead of being the Kobe they needed from the WCF. LA has to feel like they escaped with this title.

[melo061]

:lol:lol:lol@ the all bitter haters. Kobe won the championship. The record books will say 2010 NBA FINALS MVP- KOBE BRYANT. Deal with it and move on. Kobe's legacy was bolstered by this championship. His team beat the hated celtics.
:lobt2::lobt2::lobt2:

[namlook]

Shooting 25% from the field in a Finals Game 7. :lmao

Jordan shooting 26% from the field in the deciding game of the 1996 NBA finals. :lmao

[greyforest]

nba sucks stern sucks

[Chieflion]

Jordan shooting 26% from the field in the deciding game of the 1996 NBA finals. :lmao

Simple math. 26 > 25 in terms of percentage. Did you put math in your ignore list or what?

[Fabbs]

Originally Posted by Anthony Randolph

answer this: why weren't those fouls being called in quarters 1-3?


Because they were playing with their feet and were in defensive position as opposed to being out of gas and resulting to reaching and hacking.

It's not rocket science.
But on the other end the Lakers legs were as fresh as the scent of Kobmes undies to your noze?

[Goran Dragic]

Simple math. 26 > 25 in terms of percentage. Did you put math in your ignore list or what?


:lmao

[namlook]

Simple math. 26 > 25 in terms of percentage. Did you put math in your ignore list or what?

Wow, are you really this much of a moron.

LOL. Now this is a true Jordan ball-washer. "Jordan's game was better because he shot 26% instead of 25%." :lmao:rollin

Never mind the the Celtics were a much better defensive team than the Sonics, that Kobe grabbed 15 boards knowing that the team that won each game won the rebounding battle, and that Kobe helped harrass Ray Allen into 3-14 shooting.

[pauls931]

Kobe is a badass, just STFU everyone.

[BullsDynasty]

Game 6 of the 1996 NBA Finals. I'm going to keep posting that until some of you numbskulls actually look it up.

Luc Longley and Dennis Rodman would like a re-vote on the 1996 NBA Finals MVP.

You're joking aren't you? HaHa you're right that is funny.

[BullsDynasty]

Jordan's Points and FG% in all of his series clinching games starting from 1991.

I've highlighted his games where he shot under .500%

1991

1st round
39 Points .500%

2nd round
38 Points .452%

ECF
29 Points 642%

Finals
30 Points .522%




1992

1st round
56 Points .667% << GODLY

2nd round
29 Points .370

ECF
29 Points 642%

Finals
33 Points .522%


1993

1st round
39 Points .571%

2nd round
31 Points .458%

ECF
25 Points .333%

Finals
33 Points .500%


1996

1st round
26 Points .435%

2nd round
35 Points .448%

ECF
45 Points .696% << GODLY

Finals
22 Points .263%


1997

1st round
28 Points .583%

2nd round
24 Points .591%

ECF
28 Points .355%

Finals
39 Points .429%


1998

1st round
38 Points .727% << GODLY

2nd round
33 Points .517%

ECF
28 Points .360%

Finals
45 Points .429%

[Laker-fan-in-SanAnto]

Game 7 will only tarnish Kobes legacy in the mind of MiamiHeat. At the end of the day he has 5 rings. And theres nothing miamiheat can do about it.

[Laker-fan-in-SanAnto]

Game 7 will only tarnish Kobes legacy in the mind of MiamiHeat. At the end of the day he has 5 rings. And there ain't nothing miamiheat can do about it.

[Fabbs]

Kobes legacy is not tarnished.
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