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ElNono
06-18-2010, 10:17 PM
Justice Dept. Will Fight Arizona on Immigration (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/19/us/politics/19arizona.html?hp)
By RANDAL C. ARCHIBOLD and MARK LANDLER
Published: June 18, 2010

The Obama administration has decided to file a lawsuit to strike down a new Arizona law aimed at deporting illegal immigrants, thrusting itself into the fierce national debate over how the United States should enforce immigration policies.

The federal government only occasionally intervenes forcefully in a state’s affairs, and it carries significant political risks. With immigration continuing to be a hot issue in political campaigns across the country, the Arizona law, which grants the local police greater authority to check the legal status of people they stop, has become a rallying cry for the Tea Party and other conservative groups.

The lawsuit, though widely anticipated, was confirmed by an unexpected source: Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, who answered a question about it from an Ecuadorean TV journalist in an interview on June 8 that went all but unnoticed until this week.

Noting that President Obama had publicly objected to the law, Mrs. Clinton said, “The Justice Department, under his direction, will be bringing a lawsuit against the act.”

A spokesman for the Justice Department said the matter was still under review, but other senior administration officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said a decision had indeed been made and only the details of the legal filing were still being worked out.

These officials said several government agencies were being consulted over the best approach to block the statute, which, barring any successful legal challenges, takes effect July 29. At least five lawsuits have already been filed in federal court, and civil rights groups have asked a federal judge to issue an injunction while the cases are heard.

A State Department spokesman, Philip J. Crowley, said Mrs. Clinton’s comments, made during a visit to Ecuador’s capital, Quito, were meant to answer deep qualms about the law in Mexico and other Latin American countries. “It is important to recognize that this has resonated significantly beyond our borders,” Mr. Crowley said.

Still, in focusing on Arizona, the Obama administration is making a politically risky calculation: the move could help repair America’s image south of the border but open the administration to charges that it is trampling state’s rights. And a legal battle could energize the right during an election year.

At home, polls show that a majority of Americans support the law, or at least the idea of states more rigorously enforcing immigration laws. But Latino groups and elected officials have denounced it as an affront to Hispanics. Several large demonstrations, for and against the law, have been held in Phoenix and other cities.

Legal action has been widely expected, given Mr. Obama’s repeated statements against it, as well as the concerns that Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. has voiced in interviews and news conferences.

In late May, Justice Department lawyers traveled to Phoenix to speak with lawyers from the offices of the state attorney general, Terry Goddard, and Gov. Jan Brewer about the possibility of litigation. Mr. Goddard, who is seeking the Democratic nomination for governor, and Ms. Brewer, a Republican who is running for re-election, both say a federal lawsuit is unwarranted.

In a side drama, Mr. Goddard on Friday took his office off the case, bowing to the wishes of Ms. Brewer, who had said his opposition to the law would make it difficult for him to defend it. Mr. Goddard said his decision had nothing to do with the Justice Department’s plans.

Mrs. Clinton’s disclosure — which came to light after her interview was posted by a political blog, therightscoop.com — quickly became fodder for political campaigns in Arizona. Republicans, led by Ms. Brewer, seized on the notion of a domestic policy decision’s being disclosed on foreign soil.

“This is no way to treat the people of Arizona,” the governor said in a statement. “To learn of this lawsuit through an Ecuadorean interview with the secretary of state is just outrageous. If our own government intends to sue our state to prevent illegal immigration enforcement, the least it can do is inform us before it informs the citizens of another nation.”

The federal government from time to time has successfully brought claims against laws it deemed discriminatory or infringing on voter rights. It also has a history of suing states on issues related to prison conditions and school desegregation, said Erwin Chemerinsky, a constitutional scholar at the law school at the University of California, Irvine.

While Arizona’s law has drawn opposition from those who worry that Hispanic-Americans and legal residents will be mistaken for illegal immigrants, legal scholars say the case will more likely to turn on whether it intrudes on federal immigration authority.

In 2007, the Bush administration successfully sued Illinois after it passed a law barring employers from using a federal electronic system to verify the immigration status of would-be employees.

Racial profiling claims may be difficult to prove. The United States Supreme Court, in a 1975 case, ruled that immigration officers can include racial or ethnic identity among factors in deciding whether to check someone’s right to be in the country.

Still, the federal government could argue that the law, in effect, gives one state more regulatory power in immigration than another and raises thorny diplomatic problems abroad, said Jack Chin, a University of Arizona law professor.

The theory of this law, he said, is that Arizona is “borrowing federal regulatory authority to help carry out federal policy.” But he said, “If the federal government comes in and says you are interfering, I think that is going to be a problem for the state.”

Though not a legal issue, administration officials said the law, passed in April, has tarnished America’s image in Latin America. They point to a new poll conducted by the Pew Research Center, which found that only 44 percent of Mexicans viewed the United States favorably after Arizona enacted the law, compared with 62 percent before that.

On a four-day trip last week to Colombia, Ecuador and Peru, Mrs. Clinton was asked about the law at every stop. When she sat down with reporters from two local TV channels in Quito last week, it was the subject of the first question from both. One reporter suggested that the law might encourage violence against those suspected of being illegal immigrants.

Mrs. Clinton said that the administration was committed to changing immigration policy and that Mr. Obama had spoken out because he felt the law infringed on federal authority. Speaking to the NTN channel, she said flatly that he would challenge it.

Administration officials traveling with Mrs. Clinton did not immediately recognize she had made news. The process was slowed further because the State Department did not publish a transcript of her remarks until June 11, two days later, because of technical glitches.

While the crossed wires left people at the Justice Department shaking their heads, Mrs. Clinton’s aides were unapologetic. The State Department had urged the Justice Department to announce the suit earlier this week, so Mrs. Clinton would not steal her colleagues’ thunder, one official said.

And, as Mr. Crowley, the spokesman, pointed out, “There is clearly an international aspect to this.”

Jennifer Steinhauer contributed reporting.

Wild Cobra
06-18-2010, 10:26 PM
You know it's political posturing. Any lawsuit will be fruitless. Arizona modeled their law from federal law. They didn't even need to do that because they can enforce the federals laws.

This should be fun watching the liberals make jack-asses of themselves again.

ducks
06-18-2010, 10:45 PM
wonder how many millions will be wasted on this

already many thousan of wasting hours trying to think if they should or should not file

ducks
06-18-2010, 10:47 PM
nice clinton announced in to the country outside in a public speech before she let the people in the usa know

very unclass but what can you expect from a damm clinton

ChumpDumper
06-18-2010, 11:21 PM
Outrage!

ducks
06-18-2010, 11:46 PM
I guess you love watching people waste your money

Wild Cobra
06-19-2010, 12:36 AM
I guess you love watching people waste your money
No, but there's nothing I can do about it, is there? If they don't waste it on this, it will be something else. At least this will be some comic relief.

ChumpDumper
06-19-2010, 04:58 AM
I guess you love watching people waste your moneyI love watching the outrage!

Drachen
06-19-2010, 08:18 AM
Good luck AZ!

boutons_deux
06-19-2010, 09:19 AM
"people waste your money"

:lol $3T wasted in Iraq. That's Entertainment!

Crookshanks
06-19-2010, 10:26 AM
This is so stupid and an absolute waste of money. The Obama administration has far, far more pressing things to handle like the oil spill, the economy, and the still high unemployment rate. Considering a majority of Americans support the Arizona law, I think they're shooting themselves in the foot. But gee whiz, go right on ahead and make even bigger fools of yourselves.

Less than 140 days until the mid-term election, Obummer's approval rating is in freefall, democrats are falling behind in many races - and the administration decides to take on something the majority of people support. Can you say "stuck on stupid"?

vy65
06-19-2010, 02:27 PM
easy win for the government. Congress has plenary authority over immigration. The states can enforce federal immigration policy, but if the FG says AZ is fucking up, then AZ loses.

ducks
06-19-2010, 02:51 PM
this is going to kill obama

the majority of america supports the bill not just az
so the president does the opposite
is he not be for the people that put him in the office

DUNCANownsKOBE2
06-19-2010, 02:52 PM
I guess you love watching people waste your money


Is this why you support people who want money wasted on bridges to nowhere?

ducks
06-19-2010, 02:53 PM
"people waste your money"

:lol $3T wasted in Iraq. That's Entertainment!

did not say money was not wasted their
a nuke would have finished it faster
but their fighting the war politically instead of trying to win it

boutons_deux
06-19-2010, 03:23 PM
a nuke in AZ or a nuke in Iraq? :lol You're one stupid, simplistic, ignorant fuck, ducks.

Winehole23
06-19-2010, 04:39 PM
easy win for the government. Congress has plenary authority over immigration. The states can enforce federal immigration policy, but if the FG says AZ is fucking up, then AZ loses.Yep.

AZ could have avoided the waste of money and time by not passing a defective bill. A federal challenge was expectable; indeed it was predicted. The superior sovereign almost always wins these kind of challenges.

AZ knew this, but pressed ahead with it anyway, knowing the message would be received loud and clear by the political base in an election year.

ducks
06-19-2010, 05:49 PM
a nuke in AZ or a nuke in Iraq? :lol You're one stupid, simplistic, ignorant fuck, ducks.

irag idiot

ofcourse if it was ok to shoot the ones crossing the boarder illegall then az would not have to protect their people that live here

Johnson
06-19-2010, 07:43 PM
Federal gov't has to keep all the states in their place, under the Federal Gov'ts thumb, just like the Founding Fathers intended.

ducks
06-19-2010, 09:19 PM
founding fathers would protect the boarders

the person who was voted as president said he would fix the problem
he has done jack shit
so az did something federal gov would not do
protect az boarders

people in dc could care less they do not live in az
it is a region problem not a dc problem
they do not have illegar crossers shooting ranchers in dc

InRareForm
06-19-2010, 10:44 PM
fuck arizona

Oh, Gee!!
06-20-2010, 12:32 AM
founding fathers would protect the boarders

the person who was voted as president said he would fix the problem
he has done jack shit
so az did something federal gov would not do
protect az boarders

people in dc could care less they do not live in az
it is a region problem not a dc problem
they do not have illegar crossers shooting ranchers in dc

fuck you, ducks. you wouldn't pass the not-so-far-fetched-upcoming-literacy test required to live in Arizona.

v2freak
06-20-2010, 06:09 AM
"people waste your money"

:lol $3T wasted in Iraq. That's Entertainment!

Personally, I find both this lawsuit and the war to be tremendous wastes of money, and neither is entertaining at all.

boutons_deux
06-20-2010, 06:13 AM
We'll see if the Feds base their AZ suit on Constitutional grounds. If they do and they win, then the right-wingers here, so deeply in love with the Constitution only when it suits their ideologies and prejudices, will be exposed as nativist racists (again).

I suspect the right-wingers will go George Wallace and starting spouting off about "states rights" code word, aka racism.

EmptyMan
06-20-2010, 10:35 AM
Outrage!


I love watching the outrage!

You must be referring to the fake outrage by the Federal Government. They mad AZ is about to enforce a law modeled after the gd federal law.

:rollin

EmptyMan
06-20-2010, 10:37 AM
We'll see if the Feds base their AZ suit on Constitutional grounds. If they do and they win, then the right-wingers here, so deeply in love with the Constitution only when it suits their ideologies and prejudices, will be exposed as nativist racists (again).

I suspect the right-wingers will go George Wallace and starting spouting off about "states rights" code word, aka racism.

lololololol

You do realize the racism-cry angle is transparent right? Most people with common sense understand this weak attempt at the game. It's losing its bite by the day.

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/8931/yalancobanio2.jpg

boutons_deux
06-20-2010, 10:57 AM
"the racism-cry angle is transparent right"

Of course. The racism of Repug party, tea baggers, conservatives has been and is plainly transparent. The class war is also race war. All the dumb, poor niggas and greasy wetbacks living their entire lives on govt tax dollars from the wealthy. yep, totally transparent.

Wild Cobra
06-20-2010, 11:47 AM
We'll see if the Feds base their AZ suit on Constitutional grounds. If they do and they win, then the right-wingers here, so deeply in love with the Constitution only when it suits their ideologies and prejudices, will be exposed as nativist racists (again).

I suspect the right-wingers will go George Wallace and starting spouting off about "states rights" code word, aka racism.
I find it so laughable that you libtards make such statements.

The Arizona law is a state rewrite of federal law. If it's unconstitutional, so is the federal law.

Keep wondering why I call you guys libtards. It's obvious you'll never understand.

George Gervin's Afro
06-20-2010, 12:08 PM
I find it so laughable that you libtards make such statements.

The Arizona law is a state rewrite of federal law. If it's unconstitutional, so is the federal law.

Keep wondering why I call you guys libtards. It's obvious you'll never understand.

I don't take anyone seriously who uses made up words..

ChumpDumper
06-20-2010, 12:42 PM
You must be referring to the fake outrage by the Federal Government. They mad AZ is about to enforce a law modeled after the gd federal law.

:rollinNo, I am not.

And many of the Arizona law enforcement officials aren't going to enforce it anyway.

Do you have outrage for them?

:rollin

Cant_Be_Faded
06-20-2010, 01:39 PM
So is it true this AZ law is a near word-for-word extension of the federal one in the constitution? I keep hearing that.

boutons_deux
06-20-2010, 02:17 PM
Like the Bible for "Christians", the Constitution means whatever activist conservatives want it to mean.

ducks
06-20-2010, 02:49 PM
No, I am not.

And many of the Arizona law enforcement officials aren't going to enforce it anyway.

Do you have outrage for them?

:rollin
name a crediable source

Nbadan
06-20-2010, 02:59 PM
Political rhetoric ignores border reality
'Secure first' calls ignore facts, undermine reform



<snip>
Here is another way to consider the problem: Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio, a leader in the anti-immigration movement and acclaimed as America's toughest sheriff, cannot secure his own jails. Every year, despite armed guards, electronic locks and video monitors, inmates smuggle drugs in from the outside and sometimes even escape.

No one would blame Arpaio. All penal institutions, regardless of security measures, have breaches. Yet imagine if America adopted a position that no new laws could be passed regarding prison reform "until the nation's jails are secure."
<snip>

"Everybody is jumping on the border-security bandwagon, including moderate Democrats," Barry said. "It's not driven by anything real on the grid, not by violence or invasions of illegal immigrants . . . not based on any real assessment of threats to the nation."
<snip>

Wucker, author of "Lockout: Why America Keeps Getting Immigration Wrong," said those who demand a sort of iron curtain prior to policy change are obstructionists: "It means don't ever come up with a workable system.

Source: The Arizona Republic (http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2010/06/20/20100620border-security-arizona.html)

boutons_deux
06-20-2010, 03:23 PM
"name a crediable source"

try google. There have been many articles on AZ sheriffs and police chiefs and AZ law enforcement orgs saying enforcing the nutcase law would compromise their relations with intimidated/pissed off Hispanics, legal and not, that help the law catch criminals.

ducks
06-20-2010, 03:45 PM
then they should be fired

ChumpDumper
06-20-2010, 06:39 PM
name a crediable sourcehttp://www.kgun9.com/Global/story.asp?S=12386648

"Crediable" enough?

Wild Cobra
06-20-2010, 11:33 PM
How many other places?

Neb. town to vote on illegal immigration measure (http://content.usatoday.net/dist/custom/gci/InsidePage.aspx?cId=azcentral&sParam=33847113.story)

Wild Cobra
06-20-2010, 11:35 PM
http://www.kgun9.com/Global/story.asp?S=12386648

"Crediable" enough?
Hmmmm....

Correct me if I'm wrong, but state law, county cop...

He can be terminated, right? At least jailed by the state...

ChumpDumper
06-21-2010, 12:04 AM
Hmmmm....

Correct me if I'm wrong, but state law, county cop...

He can be terminated, right? At least jailed by the state...Expect another court challenge.

Jacob1983
06-21-2010, 01:52 AM
So what does Obama think America should do on illegal immigration? Just let every person come into the country without any type of documentation and ID? I thought Obama was suppose to be a genius. He's a dumbass just like Bush. The sad thing is that Obama doesn't know it. At least Bush knew that he wasn't a very bright guy.

ChumpDumper
06-21-2010, 02:02 AM
Did he? What did he say that gave you that impression?

boutons_deux
06-21-2010, 02:11 AM
"so what does Obama think America should do on illegal immigrations"

He laid out his plan in the campaign. Ain't gonna happen because the Repugs will block it.

Winehole23
06-21-2010, 03:56 AM
fuck arizonaThere's more a puncher's chance the SC will uphold their law (if only in pars (http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/pars)).

Winehole23
06-21-2010, 04:00 AM
So is it true this AZ law is a near word-for-word extension of the federal one in the constitution? I keep hearing that.If state law mirrors federal law too closely, that might be seen as an arrogant imposition on certain exclusive federal functions like say, international relations, to say nothing (for the moment) of immigration itself.

Capt Bringdown
06-21-2010, 04:53 AM
What would our racist, slavery-loving Founding Fathers do?

Winehole23
06-21-2010, 04:58 AM
What would our racist, slavery-loving Founding Fathers do?The Civil War changed everything, Dude.

rjv
06-21-2010, 08:45 AM
Yep.

AZ could have avoided the waste of money and time by not passing a defective bill. A federal challenge was expectable; indeed it was predicted. The superior sovereign almost always wins these kind of challenges.

AZ knew this, but pressed ahead with it anyway, knowing the message would be received loud and clear by the political base in an election year.


... what he said.

spursncowboys
06-21-2010, 09:42 AM
Federal gov't has to keep all the states in their place, under the Federal Gov'ts thumb, just like the Founding Fathers intended.

Yeah doesn't Amendment X of the BOR say The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND NOT to the people?

Johnson
06-21-2010, 10:07 AM
the protections built in to the Constitution by the FF, against an overbearing Federal government, are being thrown by the wayside.

spursncowboys
06-21-2010, 10:18 AM
What would our racist, slavery-loving Founding Fathers do?

what would your marxist pro-terrorist indoctrinating professor do?

Wild Cobra
06-21-2010, 10:23 AM
I thought Obama was suppose to be a genius. He's a dumbass just like Bush.
No, he's far worse.

The sad thing is that Obama doesn't know it.
I agree. Not my fault the left was so hellbent on electing a dumbass.

At least Bush knew that he wasn't a very bright guy.
He was not very articulate, a poor speaker, and not as smart as most presidents. He wasn't dumb though. At least he surrounded himself and took the advice of smart people, except --- forget his name... the guy who talked him into the bailout. He was also a good leader and actually had executive experience. Obama neither had executive experience, and is only a good leader of libtards.

Now don't get me wrong about my ideas of leadership. As much as I disliked president Clinton, I hold him as one of the best leaders of this nation. He had vast executive and leadership experience. I simply didn't like or agree with most his politics.

Wild Cobra
06-21-2010, 10:26 AM
The Civil War changed everything, Dude.
That's right. We lost state's rights when the north won.

Wild Cobra
06-21-2010, 10:27 AM
the protections built in to the Constitution by the FF, against an overbearing Federal government, are being thrown by the wayside.
Again, we lost state's right when the north won.

jack sommerset
06-21-2010, 10:42 AM
A Nebraska town wants to ban illegals from renting property and getting jobs. Obongo is going to throw a hissy fit.

Wild Cobra
06-21-2010, 10:47 AM
A Nebraska town wants to ban illegals from renting property and getting jobs. Obongo is going to throw a hissy fit.
Can I be politically correct for a moment?

Yes, I know, It doesn't suit me... But...

Obongo can be considered either racist or racialist.

I like Obumbleler better.

What do you think?

jack sommerset
06-21-2010, 10:50 AM
Can I be politically correct for a moment?

Yes, I know, It doesn't suit me... But...

Obongo can be considered either racist or racialist.

I like Obumbleler better.

What do you think?

Why do you think Obongo is racist or racialist? It's just a drum that gets beat time and time again. That's Obongo on illegals.

rjv
06-21-2010, 11:11 AM
Can I be politically correct for a moment?

Yes, I know, It doesn't suit me... But...

Obongo can be considered either racist or racialist.

I like Obumbleler better.

What do you think?

anthony burgess, you are not.

vy65
06-21-2010, 12:56 PM
Lol states rights
lol slavery
lol thinking this has anything to do with states rights
lol racism

Winehole23
06-17-2013, 01:34 PM
The 7-2 decision written by Justice Antonin Scalia (http://www.latimes.com/topic/crime-law-justice/justice-system/judges/antonin-scalia-PEHST001782.topic) said this “proof of citizenship” requirement conflicts with the national Motor Voter Act. The measure said states must “accept and use” a simple registration form when filled out by residents who are registering to vote.


Scalia insists on closely following the words of the law, and in this instance, the words of the federal measure were clear in their meaning, he said. As written, the Motor Voter Act “forbids states to demand that an applicant submit additional information beyond that required by the federal form,” he said.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-supreme-court-arizona-voter-registration-20130617,0,3887179.story

Winehole23
06-17-2013, 01:37 PM
Despite the ruling, the court stressed that state officials may check other information they have on file and refuse to register would-be voters who are not citizens.

boutons_deux
06-17-2013, 01:50 PM
Fuck AZ

Fuck red states

Fuck sadistic xenophobes

Fuck Repug "(widespread) voter fraud" claim that, for some reason, they provide NO EVIDENCE :lol

Winehole23
06-17-2013, 02:15 PM
is that the sound of you re-clenching?

it's optional to relax . . .

(shrugs)

boutons_deux
06-18-2013, 10:32 AM
Author Of Arizona’s Anti-Immigrant Law: Immigration Rally Shows The ‘Reason We Have The Second Amendment’ (http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2013/06/18/2171201/kris-kobach-undocumented-protest/)http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/kris-kobach-protest.jpg

http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2013/06/18/2171201/kris-kobach-undocumented-protest/

goddam, the non-coastal Western states are dominated by assholes.

BobaFett1
06-18-2013, 10:58 AM
"people waste your money"

:lol $3T wasted in Iraq. That's Entertainment!

YOu mean taking care of a dictator who violated UN rules. Stay on course.

BobaFett1
06-18-2013, 10:59 AM
Fuck AZ

Fuck red states

Fuck sadistic xenophobes

Fuck Repug "(widespread) voter fraud" claim that, for some reason, they provide NO EVIDENCE :lol

Typical liberal response. Attack instead of debate.

BobaFett1
06-18-2013, 11:01 AM
"so what does Obama think America should do on illegal immigrations"

He laid out his plan in the campaign. Ain't gonna happen because the Repugs will block it.

you guys has control of both senate and house for Obama first 4 years and did not do shit. please my jigga

boutons_deux
06-18-2013, 11:26 AM
you guys has control of both senate and house for Obama first 4 years and did not do shit. please my jigga

YOU LIUE

Dems lost the House in 2010 ( let me help you with the 4-digit arithmetic: 2010 - 2008 = 2 years).

Dems NEVER had after 2008 a 60-seat control of the Senate, due the Blue Dog DINO Dems and independents.