TX GOP platform_ Re-criminalize sodomy, make gay marriage a felony

[boutons_deux]

"the state's Republican party has voted on a platform by which their candidates will stand, and it includes the reinstatement of laws banning sodomy: otherwise known as oral and anal sex.

The party's platform also seeks to make gay marriage a felony offense"

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0621/tx-gop-platform-jail-mexicans-criminalize-sodomy-gay-marriage-felony/

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Inbred, retrograde Texas good ol' country boy racist assholes hate govt but they want that same govt in your home and in your bed (with even a heterosexual couple), and Pravda-izing schoolbooks.

[fraga]

Oh dear god...first these morons aplogize to BP...and now they're pulling this crap...

[4>0rings]

They would like it in jail. They get raped for free!

[RandomGuy]

pdf link to platform.

http://static.texastribune.org/media/documents/FINAL_2010_STATE_REPUBLICAN_PARTY_PLATFORM.pdf



Marriage Licenses – We support legislation that would make it a felony to issue a marriage license to a same-sex couple and for any civil official to perform a marriage ceremony for such.
Homosexuality – We believe that the practice of homosexuality tears at the fabric of society, contributes to the breakdown of the family unit, and leads to the spread of dangerous, communicable diseases. Homosexual behavior is contrary to the fundamental, unchanging truths that have been ordained by God, recognized by our country’s founders, and shared by the majority of Texans. Homosexuality must not be presented as an acceptable “alternative” lifestyle in our public education and policy, nor should “family” be redefined to include homosexual “couples.” We are opposed to any granting of special legal entitlements, refuse to recognize, or grant special privileges including, but not limited to: marriage between persons of the same sex (regardless of state of origin), custody of children by homosexuals, homosexual partner insurance or retirement benefits. We oppose any criminal or civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality out of faith, conviction, or belief in traditional values.

God said it. It must be true.

Now who gets to speak for or interpret what God said or didn't say? Who is the arbiter of what is "ordained" or "not-ordained"? The Pope? The Mormon Elders?

Which governmental body gets to decide that?

[jack sommerset]

I don't get this about some lesbians couples. One of them adopts the role that the other is supposedly turned off to. They hate dudes or are not sexually attracted to them, they say but dress all up like one, even change the voice to sound more masculine and of course have a big fat dildo strapped to their hps. Pretty fucked up.

I thought only one repug apologized to BP and took it back.

Dems run California and they won't let them get married. I never met anyone that wants to put gays in jail. Don't worry butthole, it won't happen. Next time I can vote for fags getting hitched, I will vote "yes".

[fraga]

Who cares what the hell they do...let them have their civil unions...let them fight in wars...sheesh...

[boutons_deux]

"I don't get this about some lesbians couples."

:lol Jack puzzling over lesbians. :lol Like a good bigoted retrograde, VERY interested in lesbians. :lol

"only one repug apologized to BP and took it back"

that Repug was "the top Republican on the Energy and Commerce Committee" making a prepared speech, not an "open mic" gotcha moment or off the cuff. And he was defended by many in the Repug party and the hate media, esp Repug thought-dictator Limbaugh.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

We believe that the practice of homosexuality tears at the fabric of society

I know that they have to watch their language in these things but I've never heard of "fabric of society" being used as a euphemism for "butthole."

[jack sommerset]

"I don't get this about some lesbians couples."

:lol Jack puzzling over lesbians. :lol Like a good bigoted retrograde, VERY interested in lesbians. :lol

"only one repug apologized to BP and took it back"

that Repug was "the top Republican on the Energy and Commerce Committee" making a prepared speech, not an "open mic" gotcha moment or off the cuff. And he was defended by many in the Repug party and the hate media, esp Repug thought-dictator Limbaugh.

Some can say you are the bigot the way you sterotype all repugs.

[boutons_deux]

Repugs are stereotypical, group think to the max. and if you don't buy their extremist, insane bullshit and don't vote the party line, they purge you. And anybody who votes Repug is endorsing their insanities, intentional malfeasance, and national destructiveness.

[jack sommerset]

Repugs are stereotypical, group think to the max. and if you don't buy their extremist, insane bullshit and don't vote the party line, they purge you. And anybody who votes Repug is endorsing their insanities, intentional malfeasance, and national destructiveness.

Bigot!

[George Gervin's Afro]

Bigot!

dummy!

[jack sommerset]

Bigot. One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ. That's Butthole.

Not me. Let the gays get married!

[CosmicCowboy]

Repugs are stereotypical, group think to the max. and if you don't buy their extremist, insane bullshit and don't vote the party line, they purge you. And anybody who votes Repug is endorsing their insanities, intentional malfeasance, and national destructiveness.

Oh bullshit. Personally I wish the Republican party would give it a rest on gays and abortion, but that doesn't mean I have to support the Socialist Democrat party...

[fraga]

I think you mean Marxist Communist Socialist Democratic party...

[boutons_deux]

The options of voting Repug or Dem are ugly, but obstructionist, destructive, war-starting business-friendly, anti-consumer/patient/employee/unemployed Repugs are repulsive. It's hard to be for either party, but it's extremely stupid to be for the Repugs.

America is fucked.

[boutons_deux]

To maximize national pain in an election year (usually hurts incumbents more), the Repugs have blocked the extension of unemployment benefits and COBRA subsidy. So the long-term unemployed can both lose their homes AND health insurance.

[CosmicCowboy]

So how long should we keep paying 80% of original salary for some of these people? Two years? Three years? Five years? A lot of those jobs are gone for good. Isn't it time for people to realize that and come out of unemployment/retirement and take a job thats available?

The problem with stimulus money going to "shovel ready" jobs is that you have to have people willing to use a shovel.

[Drachen]

So how long should we keep paying 80% of original salary for some of these people? Two years? Three years? Five years? A lot of those jobs are gone for good. Isn't it time for people to realize that and come out of unemployment/retirement and take a job thats available?

The problem with stimulus money going to "shovel ready" jobs is that you have to have people willing to use a shovel.

Hey, CC and I agree on something. I would say Two years, and that seems like an overwhelming amount to me.

[EmptyMan]

Focusing on social issues is so retarded when you don't have the meat and potatoes in check.

[Trainwreck2100]

Focusing on social issues is so retarded when you don't have the meat and potatoes in check.

it's the perfect time, if you want it to pass

[Spurminator]

If the Republican Party is so concerned with preserving traditional family values where is the section about ensuring that families can adequately provide for themselves without both parents having to work?

[boutons_deux]

"Republican Party is so concerned with preserving traditional family values"

That's 100% bullshit hypocritical lip service to sucker in the "Christian" dumbfucks, esp their campaign contributions.

[Winehole23]

If the Republican Party is so concerned with preserving traditional family values where is the section about ensuring that families can adequately provide for themselves without both parents having to work?That was the post WWII social compact. One earner with defined benefits for graduates and union trades.

Fifty years of inflation, warfare/welfare statism and debt have changed the equation.

[Winehole23]

Two earner, eat shit and die if you don't make enough to feather your own bed.

[CosmicCowboy]

That was the post WWII social compact. One earner with defined benefits for graduates and union trades.

Fifty years of inflation, warfare/welfare statism and debt have changed the equation.

Actually, most could still live a post WW-II lifestyle with a single wage earner. The problem is that we now think we are entitled to much more.

The average post WWII family.


lived in a wood frame home less than 1000sf
kids doubled/tripled up in rooms
the house was not air-conditioned
the only had one car that the family shared
they cooked fresh food from scratch
eating dinner out was for "special" occasions
they might have one TV
they had one phone that everyone shared


This was your middle class that payed the bulk of the taxes.

People that live like this now are considered "poor" and don't pay taxes.

[Winehole23]

Actually, most could still live a post WW-II lifestyle with a single wage earner. The problem is that we now think we are entitled to much more.We're spoiled, no doubt about it. That's a a big part of it.

But the fiscal trend of the last 30 years, starting with Reagan's borrow and spend conservatism, didn't help. Neither did the continual erosion of buying power through inflation, either. Nor does a decade long war in South Asia.

People that live like this now are considered "poor" Relatively speaking, they are.

...and don't pay taxes.You mean income tax, right? All wage earners pay SS and sales tax.

[CosmicCowboy]

Yeah, of course I was talking about income taxes. As far as SS, there are still a lot of people working off the books. At least with a sales tax they can't completely evade but that just helps on state/local stuff.

[Spurminator]

People that live like this now are considered "poor" and don't pay taxes.

Sure you could cut out a lot of expenses and not have to work two jobs, but unless your single income is fairly significant you're still going to live in a crime-riddled area with terrible public schools. (That's the perception, anyway.)

I think parents in dual-income households are more concerned with raising their families in a good environment than they are about being able to afford cable.

[Winehole23]

I think parents in dual-income households are more concerned with raising their families in a good environment than they are about being able to afford cable.What? This script here says they're all decadent parasites. Both of you can't be right.

[Marcus Bryant]

What poor political choices we have in this country. I'm not quite sure how the right reached this point. Of course, the political left is not any better. Then again, if those who fancy themselves as defenders of the American tradition view Thomas Jefferson as an apostate, there's not much hope.

[Marcus Bryant]

Further, why the need to shape the country entirely to a view in line with your tastes? The original charter remains an ingenious governing document, whose primary defect was that it did not apply to all. That was the result of millenia of human intellectual activity which led to the determination that individuals are sovereign, with inalienable natural rights.

The narrow conceptions of liberty offered by the political left and right in this country make a mockery of its design and also, the intelligence and character of each individual in this country. The presumption is that all are members of a malleable mob, incapable of living their lives on their own. Not to mention the desire to reshape each individual to fit some synthetically desired mold is now somehow paramount and in fidelity to the original design for American governance.

It's not a wonder why half of eligible voters decline to vote in most federal elections. What is truly wondrous is why anyone bothers.

[Veterinarian]

What about anal sex with a girl? Will that be illegal?

[boutons_deux]

"What poor political choices we have in this country"

We got the politicians we deserve.

"narrow conceptions of liberty"

ah, that old "my missing freedoms and liberties" canard. Never any specifics. And never any responsibilities to accompany the freedoms.

[Marcus Bryant]

Those who demand circumscribed lists of liberties are naturally antagonistic to individual freedom, be it the Texas GOP or those exhibiting advanced psychoses, such as croutons.

[Blake]

It's not a wonder why half of eligible voters decline to vote in most federal elections. What is truly wondrous is why anyone bothers.

I think it's due more to apathy.

[LnGrrrR]

Actually, most could still live a post WW-II lifestyle with a single wage earner. The problem is that we now think we are entitled to much more.

The average post WWII family.


lived in a wood frame home less than 1000sf
kids doubled/tripled up in rooms
the house was not air-conditioned
the only had one car that the family shared
they cooked fresh food from scratch
eating dinner out was for "special" occasions
they might have one TV
they had one phone that everyone shared
This was your middle class that payed the bulk of the taxes.

People that live like this now are considered "poor" and don't pay taxes.

I should hope that in 50 years, the average family would expect slightly better.

Might as well say that the families of the 50's should have been living without cars (since they didn't have them in 1900).

But real earnings seemingly haven't caught up to what is considered "normal" in society. Having two cars is essential in many cases, in order to have two jobs in the house. Cell phones are rapidly becoming essential as well, as is some sort of internet connection.

[LnGrrrR]

What poor political choices we have in this country. I'm not quite sure how the right reached this point. Of course, the political left is not any better. Then again, if those who fancy themselves as defenders of the American tradition view Thomas Jefferson as an apostate, there's not much hope.

Ha! Too true.

[xrayzebra]

"I don't get this about some lesbians couples."

:lol Jack puzzling over lesbians. :lol Like a good bigoted retrograde, VERY interested in lesbians. :lol



Don't you just "love" all these everyone is equal types, well everyone but
straight Republicans. Maybe because they don't suck and swallow.
:toast :lmao

[Jacob1983]

The two party system is a joke in America.

[Winehole23]

The two party system is a joke in America.The joke's on us.

[baseline bum]

the one party system is a joke in america.

fify

[Veterinarian]

Actually, most could still live a post WW-II lifestyle with a single wage earner. The problem is that we now think we are entitled to much more.

The average post WWII family.


lived in a wood frame home less than 1000sf
kids doubled/tripled up in rooms
the house was not air-conditioned
the only had one car that the family shared
they cooked fresh food from scratch
eating dinner out was for "special" occasions
they might have one TV
they had one phone that everyone shared


This was your middle class that payed the bulk of the taxes.

People that live like this now are considered "poor" and don't pay taxes.

tbh you're either ignorant or flat out trolling if you think people's desires and not lower wages have led to husbands and wives having to both work instead of men being able to work non college degree jobs and being able to support a family of four. That plus the death of unions have made it a necessity for a shit load of college or two working parents.

[Veterinarian]

The two party system is a joke in America.


I've been waiting for a third party for years and then the fucking tea party shows up. The short bus wing of the Republican party.

[Drachen]

tbh you're either ignorant or flat out trolling if you think people's desires and not lower wages have led to husbands and wives having to both work instead of men being able to work non college degree jobs and being able to support a family of four. That plus the death of unions have made it a necessity for a shit load of college or two working parents.

I'll agree with you to a point on this. If we expect our real wages to increase over the course of time, to the point that we can expect a higher standard of living in the future, then there is a responsibility on our part as well. I state this because I don't think that it is an out of this world requirement to expect that that same non college degreed person 50 years ago should be replaced by a college degreed person (even an advanced degree) today (in your statement). Shoe cobblers don't get paid the same amount today that they did 200 years ago, because of advances in knowledge and processes (for example).

I do, however, agree that even in the scenario that I put forth it would be difficult to raise a family of four today on the salary of one degreed person and that real wages have NOT risen making the disparity even greater.

[panic giraffe]

I think you mean Marxist Communist Socialist Democratic party...

i think you mean muslim marxist communist socialist democratic party.

[panic giraffe]

I've been waiting for a third party for years and then the fucking tea party shows up. The short bus wing of the Republican party.

if the libertarians would just ease off their un-libertarian ways on social issues and border control they would thrive in this culture that seems to push a fear on big government.

if the greens would get voters to grow some balls and not be so afraid of caving into the dems then they would get the real left.

til there is some serious lobby reform, this won't happen, and if you think that either of the ruling parties would let that happen, you're smokin' some good shit.

[Winehole23]

and if you think that either of the ruling parties would let that happen, you're smokin' some good shit.Smoke that good shit, regardless. :hat

[Winehole23]

The narrow conceptions of liberty offered by the political left and right in this country make a mockery of its design and also, the intelligence and character of each individual in this country.For good and for ill one's life is not (necessarily) lived within these boundaries. Still less one's manner of thinking.

One's own discretion may be the salvation from the hell of insult the world as it actually exists presents to legacy, reason, taste and yes, intelligence -- or it might turn out to be the prison of it's own obscurity, or get zapped out on the patio like a bug. You never know.

Bon chance, MB. :toast

[Winehole23]

Prepossessed with a child's pure scorn.

[Winehole23]

Wringing out the stale oranges for more

[Winehole23]

To the Reader


Infatuation, sadism, lust, avarice
possess our souls and drain the body's force;
we spoonfeed our adorable remorse,
like whores or beggars nourishing their lice.


Our sins are mulish, our confessions lies;
we play to the grandstand with our promises,
we pray for tears to wash our filthiness;
importantly pissing hogwash through our styes.


The devil, watching by our sickbeds, hissed
old smut and folk-songs to our soul, until
the soft and precious metal of our will
boiled off in vapor for this scientist.


Each day his flattery makes us eat a toad,
and each step forward is a step to hell,
unmoved, through previous corpses and their smell
asphyxiate our progress on this road.


Like the poor lush who cannot satisfy,
we try to force our sex with counterfeits,
die drooling on the deliquescent tits,
mouthing the rotten orange we suck dry.


Gangs of demons are boozing in our brain —
ranked, swarming, like a million warrior-ants,
they drown and choke the cistern of our wants;
each time we breathe, we tear our lungs with pain.


If poison, arson, sex, narcotics, knives
have not yet ruined us and stitched their quick,
loud patterns on the canvas of our lives,
it is because our souls are still too sick.


Among the vermin, jackals, panthers, lice,
gorillas and tarantulas that suck
and snatch and scratch and defecate and fuck
in the disorderly circus of our vice,

there's one more ugly and abortive birth.

It makes no gestures, never beats its breast,
yet it would murder for a moment's rest,
and willingly annihilate the earth.


It's BOREDOM. Tears have glued its eyes together.
You know it well, my Reader. This obscene
beast chain-smokes yawning for the guillotine —
you — hypocrite Reader — my double — my brother!

http://fleursdumal.org/poem/099

[Winehole23]

What about anal sex with a girl? Will that be illegal?It already is, somewhere.

[Winehole23]

It might still be technically illegal in Texas. I'm pretty sure it was until Lawrence v. Texas (http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/02-102.ZS.html), at least. Does 2003 still count as recently?

[Winehole23]

I've been waiting for a third party for years and then the fucking tea party shows up. The short bus wing of the Republican party.That'd be the cruel irony. The three-party system as an even worse joke.

[z0sa]

Smoke that good shit, regardless. :hat

:tu :lol

(I can't smoke anymore but I approve of this message)

[z0sa]

It already is, somewhere.

How exactly would they prove it?

Shit, how do they even prove homosexual males are engaging in sodomy?

[Winehole23]

These laws are rarely enforced, but that almost necessarily means sometimes they are enforced.

Wasn't there a notorious sodomy case in Georgia, not too long ago? I can barely recall...

[z0sa]

It's rather ironic that sodomy is criminalized, when men get sodomized against their will routinely in prison.

[Winehole23]

Alas, that's not only allowed but probably even encouraged. The law doesn't much deter it, that's for sure.

[z0sa]

How do you mean encouraged? Because guards have less anger and aggressiveness to fear when weak cell mates take the brunt of it?

[ChuckD]

What about anal sex with a girl? Will that be illegal?

Sodomy is, by definition, any sex between humans that doesn't involve a man's penis going into a woman's vagina. To answer your question, yes, it will be illegal, as will anything oral.

They're trying to take away your blowjobs!

[ChuckD]

How exactly would they prove it?

Shit, how do they even prove homosexual males are engaging in sodomy?

The GOP wants the law on the books. The only way to challenge a law through the courts is to have a criminal case to take there. I believe that when the law was knocked off the books last time, two men called the police to report a robbery, and LET themselves be caught en flagrante in order to have such a case. This law just raises the stakes by making it a felony, discouraging any one from challenging it in such a manner.

[Stringer_Bell]

How do you mean encouraged? Because guards have less anger and aggressiveness to fear when weak cell mates take the brunt of it?

I'm not entirely convinced that the weakest guys get raped in prison a majority of the time. I'd say the racists (get raped by other racists), rapists (get raped by the killers), and child molestors (raped by everyone) prolly get raped first, then the weasels get raped, then the pretty boys that talk too much...normal criminals prolly account for 1/7 of rapes in prison. That's my hypothesis!

I don't want to live in a country, much less a state, ruled by people that piss and moan about Unions, government bail-outs, and taxes...but don't speak up when MY GOD GIVEN RIGHT to face fuck my girlfriend or play with her asshole is threatened with prison time.

[Trainwreck2100]

I'm not entirely convinced that the weakest guys get raped in prison a majority of the time. I'd say the racists (get raped by other racists), rapists (get raped by the killers), and child molestors (raped by everyone) prolly get raped first, then the weasels get raped, then the pretty boys that talk too much...normal criminals prolly account for 1/7 of rapes in prison. That's my hypothesis!

I don't want to live in a country, much less a state, ruled by people that piss and moan about Unions, government bail-outs, and taxes...but don't speak up when MY GOD GIVEN RIGHT to face fuck my girlfriend or play with her asshole is threatened with prison time.

Relax, they're only doing it to fuck with the gays

[DMX7]

These republicans would probably be the first to be arrested under these new proposed laws. I can already see CNN reporting from inside the men's bathroom at the airport.

[Stringer_Bell]

Relax, they're only doing it to fuck with the gays

but but but ChuckD gave a definition of "sodomy" that sounds an awful lot like what the lawmakers want to see legislated. :(

[Winehole23]

How do you mean encouraged?Because the law doesn't treat it an an indictable crime.

Offenders are not penalized. Instead sexual coercion is basically permitted to become customary, according to every believable 1st hand account I've heard...

Also, zeal to process the alleged counts might not be running at an all-time high. You're talking about cons receiving public money to prosecute other cons for raping them. At this point, I would say the price of doing honest justice is way higher (for most) than the the cost of stifling their own outrage (or flaunting their own indifference) over what is done to people inside. It ain't right IMO, but it is what it is. Eventually it could change. I doubt it will anytime real soon.