Kyl: Obama Won't Secure Border Until Lawmakers Move on Immigration Package

[jack sommerset]

President Obama is refusing to secure the border until Congress reaches a breakthrough on comprehensive immigration reform, Arizona Sen. Jon Kyl said at a recent town hall meeting.

The No. 2 Senate Republican, in a video clip posted on YouTube showing the senator speaking to a local Tea Party crowd on Friday, said the president told him during a one-on-one meeting in the Oval Office that he was concerned he wouldn't win GOP support on immigration legislation if he took care of border security first.

"The problem is, he said, if we secure the border, then you all won't have any reason to support comprehensive immigration reform," Kyl said, as the crowd in the room gasped loudly. "In other words, they're holding it hostage."

The White House denied the claim on Monday. Spokesman Bill Burton and Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer both said Kyl "knows" Obama did not make that comment to him in their meeting.

"The president didn't say that and Senator Kyl knows it," Pfeiffer said in a written statement. "There are more resources dedicated toward border security today than ever before, but, as the president has made clear, truly securing the border will require a comprehensive solution to our broken immigration system."

Burton repeated the claim at the press briefing Monday afternoon.

But Kyl's office stood by the senator's account. Kyl spokesman Ryan Patmintra said, "There were two people in that meeting, and Dan Pfieffer was not one of them." He said Pfeiffer's call for comprehensive immigration legislation "only confirms" Kyl's story.

And later, Kyl himself affirmed to Fox News the accuracy of his version: “I portrayed our conversation totally accurately ... The president cannot say that what I said was incorrect.”

While Obama has pledged to send an influx of National Guard troops to the U.S.-Mexico border, Kyl said in the clip that the president made clear to him that border security is just a political tool in the broader goal of passing an immigration package through Congress.

In the town hall meeting, Kyl said he was "not so sure" the president's concern about GOP support was legitimate, but that regardless, the administration has an "obligation" to secure the border.

"They don't want to secure the border unless and until it is combined with comprehensive immigration reform," Kyl said. "They frankly don't want to do it. They want to get something in return for doing their duty."

[George Gervin's Afro]

And later, Kyl himself affirmed to Fox News the accuracy of his version: “I portrayed our conversation totally accurately ... The president cannot say that what I said was incorrect.”

in other words kyl took the liberty of assuming what obama mean't and that obama never spoke those words.. but hey he's anti obama so jack puts his nutsack in his mouth...

[Wild Cobra]

I thought this was so funny, seeing the Q&A in the aftermath.

The White House denied the allegation, but then made statements that completely supported Kyl's allegations.

Obumbler's dimwits at large...

[Wild Cobra]

in other words kyl took the liberty of assuming what obama mean't and that obama never spoke those words.. but hey he's anti obama so jack puts his nutsack in his mouth...
It was a completely accurate assumption. It is correct that the administration never said those words, but they refuse to do border enforcement without amnesty, etc.

[George Gervin's Afro]

It was a completely accurate assumption. It is correct that the administration never said those words, but they refuse to do border enforcement without amnesty, etc.


So Kyl made it up...

[George Gervin's Afro]

I thought this was so funny, seeing the Q&A in the aftermath.

The White House denied the allegation, but then made statements that completely supported Kyl's allegations.

Obumbler's dimwits at large...

so you are ok with kyl lying about what oabama said.. cool

[ChumpDumper]

lol gasped loudly

[Wild Cobra]

So Kyl made it up...
No, it's called deductive reasoning, or Obama really did say that to him. Either way, the jist of the statement is true.

Ooops...

Sorry, I forgot who I was speaking to. You libtards don't know what that is.

[ChumpDumper]

Why didn't Bush secure the border?

[George Gervin's Afro]

No, it's called deductive reasoning, or Obama really did say that to him. Either way, the jist of the statement is true.

Ooops...

Sorry, I forgot who I was speaking to. You libtards don't know what that is.

so he didn't say what kyl claimed..

[ducks]

Why didn't Bush secure the border?

why did clinton not

lets keep blaming others and not solve the problem

some people and some people kids

[Wild Cobra]

why did clinton not

lets keep blaming others and not solve the problem

some people and some people kids
Let's not look to the past, but the future.

To have a future fence, control, etc. we have to implement it sometime.

[Wild Cobra]

so he didn't say what kyl claimed..
I believe he did, but even if he misspoke Obama's words, or yes, lied, he did put into words the Obama administration tactics that they will not admit.

There is no dispute of that...

[Wild Cobra]

Liberals... Democrats...

Could someone please tell me why congress and the president will not secure the border without other things attached?

Please? What is the rationale if not hold it hostage for other things?

The question shouldn't be if Kyl lied or not, because none of us was there. It's one man's word against another.

The question should be if the implication of his words are true or not.

[Johnson]

lol gasped loudly
yeah I chuckled at that too. :lol

[z0sa]

So Kyl made it up...

Judging from the article, you are completely incorrect. Kyl implies he is simply paraphrasing the President's words, ie an indirect quote. Indirect quotes are used every day, in roughly every single news article and broadcast, and are completely legitimate provided the exact meaning of the speaker's words is not distorted. That is certainly arguable in this case, but as for Kyl making it up .. well, you made that up.

[xrayzebra]

so he didn't say what kyl claimed..

Well......you just cant fool a blow fly, now can you. They know bull shit
when they see it.

A fly lands on President Barack Obama's face

A fly lands on President Barack Obama's face as he delivers remarks on the Affordable Care Act and the New Patients Bill of Rights, Tuesday, June 22, 2010, in the East Room of the White House in Washington.… Read more »
(AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//100622/480/urn_publicid_ap_org66491abceb6647608552782eda77ca5 7/

[Veterinarian]

I thought this was so funny, seeing the Q&A in the aftermath.

The White House denied the allegation, but then made statements that completely supported Kyl's allegations.

Obumbler's dimwits at large...

lol at your sig. McCarthyism 2010 edition. Really Communism? Still!?! Can't you guys find another boogeyman?

[Wild Cobra]

lol at your sig. McCarthyism 2010 edition. Really Communism? Still!?! Can't you guys find another boogeyman?
Hmmm...

Communism... Communal... Sharing... Socialism.

What else do you call lefties? It's all in the same box.

[ChumpDumper]

why did clinton not

lets keep blaming others and not solve the problem

some people and some people kidsYou're blaming Obama.

[ducks]

obama ran on fixing the problem
he has done nothing except threaten a state with a lawsuit that is trying to do something about it since he will not

it was not obama fault
the boarders have been unsecure for a very long time!

[ChumpDumper]

obama ran on fixing the problemHe ran on comprehensive immigration reform, which is what everyone says he is now pushing.

Go figure.

[Veterinarian]

Hmmm...

Communism... Communal... Sharing... Socialism.

What else do you call lefties? It's all in the same box.

This reminds me of a slightly funny moment in an otherwise mediocre movie. In Jarhead, Maggie Gylenhaal's brother is digging his own sleeping ditch with his Platoon mates and a helicopter flies overhead and its playing Jimi Hendrix's All Along the Watchtower and Maggie's bro shouts out "That's Vietnam music!! Can't we even get our own fucking music?!?!"

[boutons_deux]

Repugs had 8 years to secure the border and reform immigration.

What happened?

The Repugs like to kick ass, bully, shakedown corps, etc, but when Magic Negro and the Dems do the same, they whine like the little bitch pussies they are.

And where are the Repug proposals for securing the border and reforming immigration? Do we have another "budget without numbers" Repug moment? :lol

[Veterinarian]

Repug

Oh, I see what you did there.

[ducks]

bullets are cheaper then fence

[Veterinarian]

bullets are cheaper then fence

Sprechen ze English fraulein?

[ducks]

you kill the ones crossing illegal or you have a 100 foot zone area on usa soil you go there
machine guns go off
if anyone disobeys the sign they deserve to die

[Veterinarian]

you kill the ones crossing illegal or you have a 100 foot zone area on usa soil you go there
machine guns go off
if anyone disobeys the sign they deserve to die

How about land mines? Or the necklaces from that movie Running Man?

[Wild Cobra]

He ran on comprehensive immigration reform, which is what everyone says he is now pushing.

Go figure.
there are still allot of people that don't know the codeword "comprehensive" means selling this nation out.

[EmptyMan]

Common sense.

[ChumpDumper]

there are still allot of people that don't know the codeword "comprehensive" means selling this nation out.What does that mean?

Explain.

[boutons_deux]

The New York Times


June 22, 2010
Money Requested to Add Security at Mexico Border
By RANDAL C. ARCHIBOLD

LOS ANGELES — The Obama administration is asking Congress for money to expand the Border Patrol by 1,000 agents, add scores of other federal law enforcement officers and deploy two more aerial drones as part of heightened security at the Mexican border.

The request came in a letter on Tuesday from President Obama to the House speaker, Nancy Pelosi, asking for $500 million in additional border security spending to go with 1,200 National Guard troops Mr. Obama plans to send.

“This request responds to urgent and essential needs,” Mr. Obama wrote without elaborating, though administration officials have previously said that their plans fit an 18-month effort to increase border security.

Mr. Obama is following in the footsteps of President George W. Bush, who likewise, in the face of a stalled effort to revamp federal immigration law, came under pressure to increase security.

Although Obama administration officials have said the border is more secure than it has ever been, Mr. Obama bowed to concerns from members of his own party as well as Republicans and agreed last month to send in the National Guard and increase spending on border security.

Concerns about drug smuggling and illegal immigration have emerged as potent issues in Congressional midterm campaigns, particularly in Arizona, where a rancher was killed in March in a crime with suspected links to drug smuggling. In April, lawmakers there enacted a state law intended to deport illegal immigrants.

The Justice Department plans to challenge the law in court, and on Tuesday the Mexican government filed a friend-of-the-court brief supporting one of five suits pending against the law, warning about potential discrimination against its citizens.

The additional Border Patrol agents would give the agency 21,000 agents. Mr. Obama is also asking for 160 additional Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents and several teams of antismuggling agents from various agencies.

Representative Ann Kirkpatrick, an Arizona Democrat and member of the House Homeland Security Committee, praised the additional resources but said they were not enough.

“If Washington is truly serious about permanently strengthening our security, it must go beyond this request,” Ms. Kirkpatrick said.

==========

Here's how I expect the Repugs to react: NO, unless Magic Negro makes it $5B+ and 10x more troops, and makes it all revenue neutral by cutting unemployment and social welfare.

aka, extortion, and let's kick the poor and unemployed while they're down and out.

[Wild Cobra]

What does that mean?

Explain.

See what I mean...

[ChumpDumper]

See what I mean...I'm asking you what you mean by selling out, idiot.

[Wild Cobra]

I'm asking you what you mean by selling out, idiot.
You know what I mean, I've explained it before.

No amnesty talk until we have a secure border. Every time there is talk that amnesty may happen, we have a flood of illegals. Hell, any form of mass amnesty even afterward is unacceptable.

[ChumpDumper]

You know what I mean, I've explained it before.Give me a link to it.

[ducks]

The New York Times


June 22, 2010
Money Requested to Add Security at Mexico Border
By RANDAL C. ARCHIBOLD

LOS ANGELES — The Obama administration is asking Congress for money to expand the Border Patrol by 1,000 agents, add scores of other federal law enforcement officers and deploy two more aerial drones as part of heightened security at the Mexican border.

The request came in a letter on Tuesday from President Obama to the House speaker, Nancy Pelosi, asking for $500 million in additional border security spending to go with 1,200 National Guard troops Mr. Obama plans to send.

“This request responds to urgent and essential needs,” Mr. Obama wrote without elaborating, though administration officials have previously said that their plans fit an 18-month effort to increase border security.

Mr. Obama is following in the footsteps of President George W. Bush, who likewise, in the face of a stalled effort to revamp federal immigration law, came under pressure to increase security.

Although Obama administration officials have said the border is more secure than it has ever been, Mr. Obama bowed to concerns from members of his own party as well as Republicans and agreed last month to send in the National Guard and increase spending on border security.

Concerns about drug smuggling and illegal immigration have emerged as potent issues in Congressional midterm campaigns, particularly in Arizona, where a rancher was killed in March in a crime with suspected links to drug smuggling. In April, lawmakers there enacted a state law intended to deport illegal immigrants.

The Justice Department plans to challenge the law in court, and on Tuesday the Mexican government filed a friend-of-the-court brief supporting one of five suits pending against the law, warning about potential discrimination against its citizens.

The additional Border Patrol agents would give the agency 21,000 agents. Mr. Obama is also asking for 160 additional Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents and several teams of antismuggling agents from various agencies.

Representative Ann Kirkpatrick, an Arizona Democrat and member of the House Homeland Security Committee, praised the additional resources but said they were not enough.

“If Washington is truly serious about permanently strengthening our security, it must go beyond this request,” Ms. Kirkpatrick said.

==========

Here's how I expect the Repugs to react: NO, unless Magic Negro makes it $5B+ and 10x more troops, and makes it all revenue neutral by cutting unemployment and social welfare.

aka, extortion, and let's kick the poor and unemployed while they're down and out.

again bullets are cheaper then paying for more agents
do not need more agents need agents to be able to use their guns !

[ChumpDumper]

again bullets are cheaper then paying for more agents
do not need more agents need agents to be able to use their guns !Why don't you just advocate rounding them up and gassing them in showers, ducks? That was found to be cheaper than bullets.

[ducks]

The New York Times


June 22, 2010
Money Requested to Add Security at Mexico Border
By RANDAL C. ARCHIBOLD

LOS ANGELES — The Obama administration is asking Congress for money to expand the Border Patrol by 1,000 agents, add scores of other federal law enforcement officers and deploy two more aerial drones as part of heightened security at the Mexican border.

The request came in a letter on Tuesday from President Obama to the House speaker, Nancy Pelosi, asking for $500 million in additional border security spending to go with 1,200 National Guard troops Mr. Obama plans to send.

“This request responds to urgent and essential needs,” Mr. Obama wrote without elaborating, though administration officials have previously said that their plans fit an 18-month effort to increase border security.

Mr. Obama is following in the footsteps of President George W. Bush, who likewise, in the face of a stalled effort to revamp federal immigration law, came under pressure to increase security.

Although Obama administration officials have said the border is more secure than it has ever been, Mr. Obama bowed to concerns from members of his own party as well as Republicans and agreed last month to send in the National Guard and increase spending on border security.

Concerns about drug smuggling and illegal immigration have emerged as potent issues in Congressional midterm campaigns, particularly in Arizona, where a rancher was killed in March in a crime with suspected links to drug smuggling. In April, lawmakers there enacted a state law intended to deport illegal immigrants.

The Justice Department plans to challenge the law in court, and on Tuesday the Mexican government filed a friend-of-the-court brief supporting one of five suits pending against the law, warning about potential discrimination against its citizens.

The additional Border Patrol agents would give the agency 21,000 agents. Mr. Obama is also asking for 160 additional Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents and several teams of antismuggling agents from various agencies.

Representative Ann Kirkpatrick, an Arizona Democrat and member of the House Homeland Security Committee, praised the additional resources but said they were not enough.

“If Washington is truly serious about permanently strengthening our security, it must go beyond this request,” Ms. Kirkpatrick said.

==========

Here's how I expect the Repugs to react: NO, unless Magic Negro makes it $5B+ and 10x more troops, and makes it all revenue neutral by cutting unemployment and social welfare.

aka, extortion, and let's kick the poor and unemployed while they're down and out.

so you think we should not protect the poor and unemployed along the boarders

the poor and unemployed if they get killed by illegals do not have to worry about buying food


also the illegals here take jobs away from the ones here legally



there are several jobs out there if people would not be to good for them

it is not the tax payers responibily to pay for your food since you are to fucking lazy to get a job and post here

[ChumpDumper]

so you think we should not protect the poor and unemployed along the boarders

the poor and unemployed if they get killed by illegals do not have to worry about buying food


also the illegals here take jobs away from the ones here legally



there are several jobs out there if people would not be to good for them

it is not the tax payers responibily to pay for your food since you are to fucking lazy to get a job and post hereViolent crime is down in Arizona. Even along the border.

I'm pretty sure boutons is employed.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

again bullets are cheaper then paying for more agents
do not need more agents need agents to be able to use their guns !

:lol

ducky boy can't help but show his true side, huh?

[ducks]

Why don't you just advocate rounding them up and gassing them in showers, ducks? That was found to be cheaper than bullets.

have to pay for people to help gas them in shower
so bullets would still be cheaper

[Wild Cobra]

Give me a link to it.
Do your own damn homework. I don't remember how long ago or the thread name.

[Jacob1983]

Why is it racist for a country to want to secure and protect its borders?

[Winehole23]

Do your own damn homework. I don't remember how long ago or the thread name.If you can no longer recall what objective support exists to back up your opinion, it doesn't become somebody else's homework. Show your goddam work, or admit you got nothing but a hunch.

[Wild Cobra]

If you can no longer recall what objective support exists to back up your opinion, it doesn't become somebody else's homework. Show your goddam work, or admit you got nothing but a hunch.
I don't have a photographic memory. Do you.

My God.

You expect me to remember a claim from the past.

fucking libtards.

[ChumpDumper]

Do your own damn homework. I don't remember how long ago or the thread name.You can't even recall or restate your own thoughts?

Pathetic.

[Wild Cobra]

You can't even recall or restate your own thoughts?

Pathetic.
I already restated it you fool. You are the pathetic one. I shouldn't need a link to prove I said something in the past. You either believe me or you don't. I have always been against Amnesty. You know it. Do you claim we haven't discussed it before?

you are the pathetic one.

[ChumpDumper]

I already restated it you fool. You are the pathetic one. I shouldn't need a link to prove I said something in the past. You either believe me or you don't. I have always been against Amnesty. You know it. Do you claim we haven't discussed it before?

you are the pathetic one.That's all your argument is?

Pretty pathetic.

The only class illegal labor benefits really significantly is the people who employ them, so if nothing is done about that, nothing else is going to matter.

[Wild Cobra]

That's all your argument is?

Pretty pathetic.

The only class illegal labor benefits really significantly is the people who employ them, so if nothing is done about that, nothing else is going to matter.
I wish trolls like you would disappear. All you do is stir the post, cause anger, and have nothing meaningful to contribute.

[ChumpDumper]

I wish trolls like you would disappear. All you do is stir the post, cause anger, and have nothing meaningful to contribute.So you don't think anything should be done about those who employ illegals?

[George Gervin's Afro]

I wish trolls like you would disappear. All you do is stir the post, cause anger, and have nothing meaningful to contribute.

I hate people who can't back up their own claims... especailly the one's where they claim to know what other people's motives are...

[rjv]

bullets are cheaper then fence

great. declare war on mexican citizens. if you want to engage in a conversation regarding the illegal immigration issue then bring to the table something pragmatic. in the end "bullets" would be far more expensive than any fence, which in itself was extremely costly and ineffective. the only true way to reform is through economic and amnesty measures on both sides of the border.

[boutons_deux]

Illegals have been going back and forth the southern border for many decades. It's a VERY old story.

Exploitation of their labor by businesses and individuals (urban mucky mucks who don't pay the FICA for cash-paid maids, gardners, babysitters, housekeepers) is essential to the exploiters' financial well-being.

In the list of HUGE failures and problems facing USA, illegal immigration is WAY DOWN the list.

They contributes billions to Social Security they'll never be claim, and billions to the IRS.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/2008-04-10-immigrantstaxes_N.htm

Politicians, nativists, KKK, militiamen, and other trouble-makers are rousing the rabble against illegal immigration to win their votes, but elected politicians NEVER do anything about illegal immigration.

[rjv]

true. the bracero program is a great example of the way illegals have been regarded by the US when it comes to the need for their labor and our willingness to exploit that.

[Veterinarian]

there are still allot of people that don't know the codeword "comprehensive" means selling this nation out.

Back to the "McCarthy is my hero" sig again for a second. So no joke, do you really think some liberals sit around reading the Communist Manifesto? Do they compare notes, like what their favorite pages are and stuff? Are they part of a secret underground? And finally, have they infiltrated the State Department?

[ducks]

So you don't think anything should be done about those who employ illegals?

if we secure the boarder it would not be a problem

I think people who hire illegals should be punished
but if they do not work they will rob and shot to be able to eat
or worse they will get welfare from the tax payers money

[ducks]

Illegals have been going back and forth the southern border for many decades. It's a VERY old story.

Exploitation of their labor by businesses and individuals (urban mucky mucks who don't pay the FICA for cash-paid maids, gardners, babysitters, housekeepers) is essential to the exploiters' financial well-being.

In the list of HUGE failures and problems facing USA, illegal immigration is WAY DOWN the list.

They contributes billions to Social Security they'll never be claim, and billions to the IRS.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/2008-04-10-immigrantstaxes_N.htm

Politicians, nativists, KKK, militiamen, and other trouble-makers are rousing the rabble against illegal immigration to win their votes, but elected politicians NEVER do anything about illegal immigration.

you know why policicans do not do anything
they fucking want their votes

[boutons_deux]

"secure the border"

... but NOBODY has any concrete proposals how to do it. (free-fire zones and minefields won't happen).

[Wild Cobra]

Back to the "McCarthy is my hero" sig again for a second. So no joke, do you really think some liberals sit around reading the Communist Manifesto? Do they compare notes, like what their favorite pages are and stuff? Are they part of a secret underground? And finally, have they infiltrated the State Department?
I never implied any such thing. Such stupidity requires no farther response except this. Study Project Venona.

[Veterinarian]

I never implied any such thing. Such stupidity requires no farther response except this. Study Project Venona.

What about that picture in your signature?

[ducks]

"secure the border"

... but NOBODY has any concrete proposals how to do it. (free-fire zones and minefields won't happen).

free-fire zones and minefields do work

[ChumpDumper]

you know why policicans do not do anything
they fucking want their votesYes, they want the votes and money of those who employ the illegals. Should those employers be shot too? That will take care of the problem and be cheaper.

[Wild Cobra]

What about that picture in your signature?
It has nothing to do with implying I say liberals are reading the manifesto. When someone makes something up like that, it doesn't deserve an answer. Keep such shit up, and i will ignore you.

[rjv]

free-fire zones and minefields do work

wow. all this time we could have just laid mines down across the entire US border! such refulgence lost on a spurs forum. what a shame.

[Veterinarian]

It has nothing to do with implying I say liberals are reading the manifesto. When someone makes something up like that, it doesn't deserve an answer. Keep such shit up, and i will ignore you.

But the picture is a picture of a red communist flag descending over the United States except like Venom from the Old Spider-man comics. There's a gold star where the White House is and red (the Communist color) is engulfing the US. Literally saying that the US is falling into Communism. Am I misinterpreting this? Maybe you should take it slowly and explain that picture of the US to me. If you could do that I'd really appreciate it. Maybe it's self explanatory to some people, I don't get it.

[George Gervin's Afro]

But the picture is a picture of a red communist flag descending over the United States except like Venom from the Old Spider-man comics. There's a gold star where the White House is and red (the Communist color) is engulfing the US. Literally saying that the US is falling into Communism. Am I misinterpreting this? Maybe you should take it slowly and explain that picture of the US to me. If you could do that I'd really appreciate it. Maybe it's self explanatory to some people, I don't get it.

He's not implying anything...:rolleyes

[jack sommerset]

... but NOBODY has any concrete proposals how to do it.

Bullshit. Obongo thinks 1200 national guards will secure the border. Of course we won't know until he sends them. When did he make that promise? Hmm, maybe Kyl told the truth.

[Blake]

Or the necklaces from that movie Running Man?

sure. we could pay the cartels to pass them out to every Mexican citizen.

it would help control the war on drugs too.

[Wild Cobra]

But the picture is a picture of a red communist flag descending over the United States except like Venom from the Old Spider-man comics. There's a gold star where the White House is and red (the Communist color) is engulfing the US.
So? That doesn't mean I think liberals are reading the manifesto.

This administration is clearly pushing socialistic and socialism/communistic ideals. I'm sorry if you don't see that. The liberals are simply blind to this, just electing who will give them the most candy like spoiled children, and this is how socialism/communism comes to be.

Literally saying that the US is falling into Communism. Am I misinterpreting this?
No, you are not mistaken on that part. The democrats want to nationalize corporations. What do you call that? They continue to step ion freedoms. What do you call that?

Maybe you should take it slowly and explain that picture of the US to me.
Communism is spreading from this administration. Just that simple.

I am not saying we have external forces pushing communism. We have prominent liberal democrats with wealth and power doing it from within.

[ElNono]

The usual 'liberals can't see it, but I do'. Funny though that this President arrived in the WH with more than just votes from 'liberals' alone.

I guess independents are all communists too... :rolleyes

[Wild Cobra]

The usual 'liberals can't see it, but I do'. Funny though that this President arrived in the WH with more than just votes from 'liberals' alone.

I guess independents are all communists too... :rolleyes
Voters are duped regularly.

[ElNono]

Voters are duped regularly.

They got duped twice? Congressional and Presidential elections?

You're bordering the 'everyone is stupid but me' line...

[Wild Cobra]

They got duped twice? Congressional and Presidential elections?

You're bordering the 'everyone is stupid but me' line...
Voters are also selfish.

Did you miss the part that voters vote for politicians who say they will do things for them?

That is 180 degrees from the America I grew up in. What happened? We used to be a nation of proud individuals. Immigrants founded this nation for freedom, the freedom to keep the fruits of our labor. Not have selfish liberals wanting to give everything away to other.

Fuck liberals. They are the scourge of society.

[ElNono]

Voters are also selfish.

Did you miss the part that voters vote for politicians who say they will do things for them?

That is 180 degrees from the America I grew up in. What happened? We used to be a nation of proud individuals. Immigrants founded this nation for freedom, the freedom to keep the fruits of our labor. Not have selfish liberals wanting to give everything away to other.

Fuck liberals. They are the scourge of society.

And you make the same mistake again. It wasn't just liberals that put these people in power. A lot of these people also put the Bush(es) in power.

[Veterinarian]

Communism is spreading from this administration. Just that simple.

I am not saying we have external forces pushing communism. We have prominent liberal democrats with wealth and power doing it from within.

lol communist boogeyman in 2010

[Blake]

Communism is spreading from this administration. Just that simple.



What is it specifically that has come from this administration that says 'communism' to you, other than your opinion that the Demonrats want to nationalize corporations?

[Homeland Security]

Drug cartels control large swaths of Arizona south of Interstate 8.

Obama is holding the territorial integrity of the United States hostage to his political agenda.

In such a case, the military has a responsibility to execute a coup, and true Americans have a responsibility to act against against those who support the existing treasonous regime.

[Oh, Gee!!]

It was a completely accurate assumption. It is correct that the administration never said those words, but they refuse to do border enforcement without amnesty, etc.

I thought Wild Cobra despised assumptions.

[clambake]

I thought Wild Cobra despised assumptions.

that, in itself, is an assumption.

[boutons_deux]

nobody answers: How is Magic Negro, or anybody, supposed to secure the border?

dubya's boondoggle of cameras, etc failed horribly. next?

2000 miles of fence?

Will the Repugs pay $5B+ initially and then 100s of $Ms or maybe $Bs/year forever?

[Wild Cobra]

What is it specifically that has come from this administration that says 'communism' to you, other than your opinion that the Demonrats want to nationalize corporations?
Just watch. Time will tell.

[Wild Cobra]

I thought Wild Cobra despised assumptions.
It depends on how much supportive material there is.

[Blake]

Just watch. Time will tell.

Just watch what?

[Wild Cobra]

Just watch what?

The democrats. The policies they keep pushing.

[Blake]

The democrats. The policies they keep pushing.

what policies?

surely you are referring to something specific that I should be watching out for.

[boutons_deux]

"things"

just as vague as "secure the border" with no details

[Blake]

"things"

just as vague as "secure the border" with no details

:lol he caught it....switched to "policies"

[boutons_deux]

"policies"

just as vague as "secure the border" with no details

[Blake]

"policies"

just as vague as "secure the border" with no details

pretty much