Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Werdum June 26, 2010 On Showtime

[dbreiden83080]

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Meh is all i have to say....



Main Card

Heavyweight bout: Fedor Emelianenko vs. Fabricio Werdum
Women's Featherweight Championship bout: Cristiane Santos(c) vs. Jan Finney
Middleweight bout: Cung Le vs. Scott Smith
Lightweight bout: Josh Thomson vs. Pat Healy

Preliminary Card

Light Heavyweight bout: Yancy Medeiros vs. Gareth Joseph
Lightweight bout: Bobby Stack vs. Derrick Burnsed
Welterweight bout: Brett Bergmark vs. Vagner Rocha
Middleweight bout: Ron Keslar vs. Chris Cope

[dbreiden83080]

Main Card

Heavyweight bout: Fedor Emelianenko vs. Fabricio Werdum
Women's Featherweight Championship bout: Cristiane Santos(c) vs. Jan Finney
Middleweight bout: Cung Le vs. Scott Smith
Lightweight bout: Josh Thomson vs. Pat Healy

[The TroutBum]

I'm picking Fedor, and that's it. (only because I've never heard of anyone else)

[polandprzem]

Main Card

Heavyweight bout: Fedor Emelianenko vs. Fabricio Werdum
Women's Featherweight Championship bout: Cristiane Santos(c) vs. Jan Finney
Middleweight bout: Cung Le vs. Scott Smith
Lightweight bout: Josh Thomson vs. Pat Healy

[Stringer_Bell]

Heavyweight bout: Fedor Emelianenko vs. Fabricio Werdum
Women's Featherweight Championship bout: Cristiane Santos(c) vs. Jan Finney
Middleweight bout: Cung Le vs. Scott Smith
Lightweight bout: Josh Thomson vs. Pat Healy
- I think this fight could be an upset, but I'll go with the ex-champ

[BlackSwordsMan]

fuck womans mma I hope fedor gets knocked out just because he's an asshole

[desflood]

fuck womans mma
:lol That's lovely.

Heavyweight bout: Fedor Emelianenko vs. Fabricio Werdum
Women's Featherweight Championship bout: Cristiane Santos(c) vs. Jan Finney
Middleweight bout: Cung Le vs. Scott Smith
Lightweight bout: Josh Thomson vs. Pat Healy

I'll most likely regret picking Smith over Le later, but so be it.

[BlackSwordsMan]

Seriously who watches it when gina carano isn't fighting and she's pretty much given up on mma

[polandprzem]

Seriously who watches it when gina carano isn't fighting and she's pretty much given up on mma

If there is santos I'm gonna watch santos !

She's pretty good :)


As for Fedor. It's a shame because i have little to none view of his actual doings like training, preparations and all.
He is gonna fight Werdum who is quite good but not top notch unfortunately.
Hopefully I will see this fight cause watching Fedor is watching Fedor no matter what.
This will be his second fight in a 'contract' under SF. Next will be Alistar and that will be it for Fedor and mma thank you and good luck.

[dbreiden83080]

Seriously who watches it when gina carano isn't fighting and she's pretty much given up on mma

She was only really in it to try and get some fame for movie offers..

[dallaskd]

Heavyweight bout: Fedor Emelianenko vs. Fabricio Werdum
Women's Featherweight Championship bout: Cristiane Santos(c) vs. Jan Finney
Middleweight bout: Cung Le vs. Scott Smith
Lightweight bout: Josh Thomson vs. Pat Healy


meh

[benefactor]

lol

[polandprzem]

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[polandprzem]

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[dbreiden83080]

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My god those promos are bad compared to the UFC..

[dallaskd]

My god those promos are bad compared to the UFC..

disagree. I think showtime is good at what they do.

[Stringer_Bell]

I'm split on the promos...they are certainly well-produced, and if you're just a casual MMA fan (the Showtime audience) you'd probably think it's a big time fight. However, it lacks soul and intensity, and it's really not a compelling bout (unless there's an upset).

[Xevious]

Geez... who gives a shit? Really? Just a few holdout Fedor fans, I'm sure.

Hopefully M-1 does its job and forces Strikeforce out of business.

[djohn14]

Heavyweight bout: Fedor Emelianenko vs. Fabricio Werdum
Women's Featherweight Championship bout: Cristiane Santos(c) vs. Jan Finney
Middleweight bout: Cung Le vs. Scott Smith
Lightweight bout: Josh Thomson vs. Pat Healy

[dbreiden83080]

They need to perform a chromosome test on Cyborg..

[ace3g]

that fight should have been called a lot earlier

[dbreiden83080]

They're actually honoring Shamrock here

WTF??

"I am the past"

Frank you have been the past since like 1999

[dbreiden83080]

WOW!!!!

Fedor just lost by Submission...

SHIT!!

[EmptyMan]

what the hell

[ace3g]

I know Fedor had the advantage, knocked Werdum to the ground but made the mistake to go for the ground and pound near Werdums legs, heck if the guy you are fighting is a BJJ expert, don't go near his legs at all near the ground

[Mr Dio]

:lmao Maybe now aFraidor will be forced to fight top comp & not UFC cast offs. Or he could prove himself against a Korean Cab drvr who took up MMA or the great Tim Sylvia. :lmao

[dbreiden83080]

Bye Bye Big-time SF event..

They had a good one coming with Fedor and Overeem now that is a goner..

Fedor fought so sloppy..

[ace3g]

Fedor got caught in a submission, it happens, even Lesnar got submitted by Mir, so people don't go crazy over "Lesnar is better than Fedor"

[dbreiden83080]

Fedor got caught in a submission, it happens, even Lesnar got submitted by Mir, so people don't go crazy over "Lesnar is better than Fedor"

I think Fedor wins this fight 9/10 but we all know why he will take more shit for this. He should not be fighting in SF at all.

[ace3g]

he even said in his post fight interview "he made a mistake"

[ace3g]

so Werdum vs Overeem is next

[dbreiden83080]

so Werdum vs Overeem is next

Probably

[Stringer_Bell]

I had a terrible feeling during Fedor's walk out that this could end with a freak submission, not because Werdum is that skilled but because Fedor can't just shake off people with his arms like he did 5 years ago. Sure enough, he thought his punch sent Werdum down and got trapped aka he got Brock'd. He was hunting down Werdum like a snake and showed great focus, but he got fucking Brock'd.

I still believe in Fedor, this was freakish as hell but props to Werdum for setting up that trap.

[EmptyMan]

That was some bullshit.

How can 31-1 Titan make such a rushed noob mistake like that. BRB putting myself in that position against a BJJ champ.

[polandprzem]

What a damn damn !

Fedor with a huge mistake. Early in the round he got caught in triangle, no sweat so not big of a chance to escape. Tough to watch.

Now I wonder how much m-1 and Fedor will dictate what they want to dictate?
This loss can be good for Emelianenko. Maybe he will try to fight best specialist in boxing, JJ and other seperate combat sports.

Well fricking mistake, not the first one but today with no escape.

[angelbelow]

oh man...

[angelbelow]

wow i cant believe that just happened lol

[dbreiden83080]

I just tried to log into Sherdog and the site is down

All the Fedor faithful are on the verge of Suicide..

[BlackSwordsMan]

even dana white is happy
check his twitter

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao

Waiting for troutbum's post about how Fedor is about to go out on top.

[BlackSwordsMan]

leonardo's dead body rose and committed suicide

[MannyIsGod]

Thats just so fucking dumb man. BJJ specialist goes down on your FIRST fucking punch and you fall for it by going in for the kill? Fedor must have taken some stupid pills today.

[The TroutBum]

:lmao

Waiting for troutbum's post about how Fedor is about to go out on top.

I've got nothing.





*goes off to a corner to cry*

[The TroutBum]

Why the fuck can't I find this video online anywhere? My usual spot for free PPV is letting me down. Can someone link me a clip or something?

[mingus]

more stupidity on fedor's part than anything. nothing to get bent out of shape about, other than it's his first loss.

[polandprzem]

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[mystargtr34]

Whats next for Fedor? Winner or Overeem and Werdum?

[Stringer_Bell]

Whats next for Fedor? Winner or Overeem and Werdum?

It was such a short fight, so little damage done on either side, that unless Fedor had a previous condition he could probably fight on another card in 2 months. Rogers/Lashley/Batista even :lol Then again, Strikeforce doesn't mind giving title shots to people that lost their last match.

I'm still feeling bad, this was a real needless loss. Fedor was so smart and patient for his entire career, then all of the sudden he forgets who he is fighting (a BJJ Ace that wants to take you to the ground)? He either wanted to send a message or wanted to get caught like that...it just boggles my mind.

[tlongII]

Fedor isn't the super titan that many have made him out to be. I don't think he could beat Lesnar or Carwin.

[Blackjack]

Brock'd is right, Stringer. That just looked like a bully used to having his way and having no clue about jiu-jitsu or anything else. Just sloppy and reckless.

I guess that's what happens when you get comfortable with your opposition. A caliber of opposition he got comfortable with because he was at a lesser promotion not fighting the best.

[polandprzem]

Brock'd is right, Stringer. That just looked like a bully used to having his way and having no clue about jiu-jitsu or anything else. Just sloppy and reckless.

I guess that's what happens when you get comfortable with your opposition. A caliber of opposition he got comfortable with because he was at a lesser promotion not fighting the best.

kinda probable

His famous g&p was not effective this time only because he stayed [with his hand] in Werdums danger spot. Fedor used to free himself up every time in such situation, stay outside and pound opponents.
Now under what conditions will Fedor fight? Is he really again will dictate who he wants to fight? If yes it will be Werdum cause Fabricio wants this rematch. Overeem is screwed then. It was said he will fight the winner of this fight and after the fight everybody got shocked it's not Fedor. Because it should be Fedor.

one more fight left in Emelianenkos 'contract'

fedor can fight 2morrow if there is a need

[polandprzem]

Fedor got caught in a submission, it happens, even Lesnar got submitted by Mir, so people don't go crazy over "Lesnar is better than Fedor"

Umm Lesnar was a noob in mma. Fedor is experienced as hell.

[dbreiden83080]

Umm Lesnar was a noob in mma. Fedor is experienced as hell.

Yes i know that Fedor is awesome on the ground but i was shocked the way he jumped into Werdum's guard like that. Keep it standing and KO him. He was so reckless last night..

[Blackjack]

As a Spurs fan, we're used to hearing the phrase "appropriate fear."

Fedor's competition recently hasn't instilled that and he's looked to have gotten comfortable and sloppy. You have to be practicing your craft against the best to stay as sharp as possible and to continue to progress, and I really believe fighting at this promotion and against some of these opponents is the reason you saw a performance like last night.

He just wasn't threatened in any way. He didn't have the "appropriate fear."

[Xevious]

Honestly, no surprise here. Fedor hasn't fought any top level competition in years. Both Rogers and Arlovski had chances to take him out before they got caught by haymakers. Nobody in the sport has a resume like Fedor, but his days of being top dog are over. One can only hope that once his contract is up (one more fight I believe), M-1 will relax on their ridiculous demands so he can fight some real fighters again.


even dana white is happy
check his twitter
I didn't read his Twitter, but Dana said before that his offer to Fedor (whatever that was) would stay on the table unless he lost a fight in Strikeforce. Like I said, hopefully M-1 drops their dual promotion BS. Dana is going to be cocky as hell after this loss and you know any future offers to Fedor are going to drop like a rock.

[cornbread]

Werdum played Fedor like a fiddle—dropping to his back after those big haymakers. Fedor jumped right into the trap. If you've ever watched Werdum's ADCC matches, his guard is not a good place to be.

[dbreiden83080]

Werdum played Fedor like a fiddle—dropping to his back after those big haymakers. Fedor jumped right into the trap. If you've ever watched Werdum's ADCC matches, his guard is not a good place to be.

It was really odd seiing Fedor so eager to be in his guard. Yes Fedor has great JJ but he was right where Werdum wanted him to be..

[redzero]

Fedor fucked up big time falling for that trap.

[scottspurs]

Unbelievable! Nice to hear Fedor remaining humble after the loss though. Class Act

[polandprzem]

As a Spurs fan, we're used to hearing the phrase "appropriate fear."

Fedor's competition recently hasn't instilled that and he's looked to have gotten comfortable and sloppy. You have to be practicing your craft against the best to stay as sharp as possible and to continue to progress, and I really believe fighting at this promotion and against some of these opponents is the reason you saw a performance like last night.

He just wasn't threatened in any way. He didn't have the "appropriate fear."

I do agree
But the thing is he still was stressed up more then he used to. All those victories no matter if you are machine or not, it has a meaning.


Fedor used to stay outside and strike from the side position. if you could see one more time- a second in bad position and Werdum was all over Fedor. With a bit of cage help and Fedors not realizing he can get caught in armbar or then triangle. he always frees his hand as fast as he can.
Right now it looked like he wanted to pound Werdum thinking that Werdum is already dizzed.
Still I cannot believe. But it's all good I guess.

[desflood]

Shocking that Fedor would make such a rookie mistake.

Once again, I feel obligated to comment on how amazingly bad the Strikeforce commentary is, even if they weren't as bad as usual. I did like this little gem, however (but didn't catch who made it):

"Scott Smith has more comebacks than Lazarus."

Mostly it amazes me that anybody under the age of 40 even knows the name Lazarus anymore :lol

[dbreiden83080]

Shocking that Fedor would make such a rookie mistake.

Once again, I feel obligated to comment on how amazingly bad the Strikeforce commentary is, even if they weren't as bad as usual. I did like this little gem, however (but didn't catch who made it):

"Scott Smith has more comebacks than Lazarus."

Mostly it amazes me that anybody under the age of 40 even knows the name Lazarus anymore :lol

Thank you for bringing that up Des. :toast

They are horrendous. Mauro Ranallo is the worst i have ever heard. Loud, terrible voice and never has much interesting to say. Frank Shamrock does a pretty good job, he knows the game and doesn't over-talk but Gus Johnson is annoying also. They just talk too much and tell too many stupid stories. Gus Johnson was going on and on about Bret Rogers being a tire salesman as Fedor was knocking him the hell out.. Remember when Kimbo lost to Seth, Gus yells

"The most incredible upset in the history of MMA, Rocky, Rocky is HERE!!!"

WOW just terrible..

[polandprzem]

You probably don't know that but i do have 6 friends :)

[dbreiden83080]

You probably don't know that but i do have 6 friends :)

We all love ya Poland..

[Stringer_Bell]

Just watching the opening (and only!) minute of that fight, Fedor was stalking him like a bad mutha-f'er. No reason to chase him down to the ground, make him stand with you!!!! MAKE HIM STAND!!! :cry:cry:cry

I really didn't understand the sadness of some people after the Rampage/Rashad fight, but this sadness is too much. If Brock loses I might jump off a bridge. :(

[angelbelow]

Dang still cant believe fedor lost and fell for that trap. very eager to see how he bounces back.

[dallaskd]

it was too early for fedor to jump into guard like that. No sweat and werdum was fresh. Fedor is better than that. Would have no doubt won if he kept it standing. He will be back. Hopefully this pushes him to the UFC somehow. Still a top 3 HW and top 10 P4P for sure..

[dallaskd]

on another note.. where is LEONARD?

[MannyIsGod]

Fedor was just saying recently how he's not as motivated anymore and if you want anymore proof just look at the fight. Making a rookie mistake like that to me is a complete indicator of a lack of focus and really when you're righting sub par talent then you're more apt to lose focus and interest. However, if anything this shows you how MMA requires full commitment and you can't try to do this half assed. I think we see guys do this (SUP RAMPAGE) and it almost always comes back to bite them in the ass.

Once the fire is out do you ever get it back? If not, Fedor might be done. You can train to get your body right but how do you get the desire back?

[dallaskd]

Once the fire is out do you ever get it back? If not, Fedor might be done. You can train to get your body right but how do you get the desire back?

A good ass kicking does some guys a lot of good (BJ Penn). Fedor always struck me a lot like Cro Cop. A fierce guy in the ring, but really didnt care about fighting and the belt all that much. Everyone rips on him for not going to the UFC and not challenging Brock and this and that.. personally, I dont think he gives a fuck..

[dallaskd]

you are absolutely correct. Once he walks out the ring he does give a fuck. Fighting always came 3rd in his life behind his family and religion. I remember watching the special of him against Rogers and he never seemed to care to go down as the greatest fighter ever.

He is definitely a class act, I think his next fight might be his last, because he stated that he wanted to run for office.


exactly, and IMO Fedor will always be the greatest p4p fighter in history and a perfect example of what every pro athlete should model themself after. Sad to see him lose lack of motivation and get sloppy like he did, but there is no doubt in my mind he would give Brock hell. What he did in his career may only be copied by Anderson. It just always frustrated me that he let his friends and management control his fighting career. Hope he is not done. Fedor, page, and wandy are basically what is left of my PRIDE memories

[BlackSwordsMan]

awesome video gracie break down of the fedor fight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1N23qOTqZo&feature=player_embedded#at=317

[dallaskd]

awesome video gracie break down of the fedor fight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1N23qOTqZo&feature=player_embedded#at=317

Gracie did not create the UFC... I hate the gracies. Sakuraba ftw

[BlackSwordsMan]

yeah well that wasn't the point of the video

[dbreiden83080]

Gracie did not create the UFC... I hate the gracies. Sakuraba ftw

The Gracies are annoying at times..

[Stringer_Bell]

awesome video gracie break down of the fedor fight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1N23qOTqZo&feature=player_embedded#at=317

I dug it. I don't know anything about BJJ or JJ, but it was pretty informative to me and they were respectful of Fedor and made note that usually Fedor throws people off when they grab his limbs. But not this time, even though he did escape the initial sub-attempt and went back in anyway. :depressed

Pretty sad that the new Gracie generation really can't scrap with the new generation of fighters, but they can still teach so I give them props for that! :toast

[angelbelow]

awesome video gracie break down of the fedor fight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1N23qOTqZo&feature=player_embedded#at=317

cool. thanks for the video, very informative.

[cornbread]

on another note.. where is LEONARD?

This should have been the epic Leonard vs. Dio meltdown everybody had been waiting for. Then again, Werdum was also an overrated nipon jap-league fighter like Fedor.

[dbreiden83080]

Evan and Leonard are gone for good

sadly.... :depressed

[cornbread]

Not to mention Dio. The Leonard vs. Dio battles were stuff upon which legends are made.

[dbreiden83080]

SF has to do an immediate rematch here

[Stringer_Bell]

SF has to do an immediate rematch here

Overeem is fighting in the next DREAM card, so I think it's totally possible for these guys to fight again and the winner fight Overeem in December. If Coker is smart, he'll have this and the Middleweight tourney carry SF in the last 3rd of the year while SF builds up its roster. It could be a blessing if they stop being fuckwads over there and try to do something great.

If Evan and Leonard weren't dead by the time we started a thread, they are now. :(