Green energy company mails critic a disassembled bomb

[DarrinS]

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/breaking-green-energy-company-threatens-economics-professor-with-package-of-dismantled-bomb-parts/?singlepage=true




Spain’s Dr. Gabriel Calzada — the author of a damning study concluding that Spain’s “green jobs” energy program has been a catastrophic economic failure — was mailed a dismantled bomb on Tuesday by solar energy company Thermotechnic.

Says Calzada:

Before opening it, I called [Thermotechnic] to know what was inside … they answered, it was their answer to my energy pieces.

Dr. Calzada contacted a terrorism expert to handle the package. The expert first performed a scan of the package, then opened it in front of a journalist, Dr. Calzada, and a private security expert.

The terrorism consultant said he had seen this before:

This time you receive unconnected pieces. Next time it can explode in your hands.

Dr. Calzada added:

[The terrorism expert] told me that this was a warning.

The bomb threat is just the latest intimidation Dr. Calzada has faced since releasing his report and following up with articles in Expansion (a Spanish paper similar to the Financial Times). A minister from Spain’s Socialist government called the rector of King Juan Carlos University — Dr. Calzada’s employer — seeking Calzada’s ouster. Calzada was not fired, but he was stripped of half of his classes at the university. The school then dropped its accreditation of a summer university program with which Calzada’s think tank — Instituto Juan de Mariana — was associated.

Additionally, the head of Spain’s renewable energy association and the head of its communist trade union wrote opinion pieces in top Spanish newspapers accusing Calzada of being “unpatriotic” — they did not charge him with being incorrect, but of undermining Spain by daring to write the report.

Their reasoning? If the skepticism that Calzada’s revelations prompted were to prevail in the U.S., Spanish industry would face collapse should U.S. subsidies and mandates dry up.

As I have previously reported at PJM (here and here), Spain’s “green jobs” program was repeatedly referenced by President Obama as a model for what he would like to implement in the United States. Following the release of Calzada’s report, Spain’s Socialist government has since acknowledged the debacle — both privately and publicly. This month, Spain’s government instituted massive reductions in subsidies to “renewable” energy sources.

Dr. Calzada is a friend of mine, kindly writing a blurb for the jacket of my latest book: Power Grab: How Obama’s Green Policies Will Steal Your Freedom and Bankrupt America. My book details the Spanish “green jobs” disaster uncovered by Dr. Calzada, plus similar “green” economic calamities occurring in Germany and Denmark — also programs Obama has praised — as well as in Italy and elsewhere.

As I detail in Power Grab, they felt Spain would be in a dire position without the U.S. playing the role of sucker. With today’s revelation, now we know just how far the “green energy” lobby will go to keep the money flowing.

[DarrinS]

<crickets>

[Wild Cobra]

<crickets>
Maybe nobody is surprised?

I'm not.

Look at the venom anytime we take our position of global warming. now when you consider how many people have staked their future on the topic.

I visit another forum, and there is a petroleum expert there who is also a "denier." Recently he was banned from the site for "trolling." i looked over his last several postings, and his remarks were very tame compared to his opposition. Funny how liberals say they believe in free speech, but damn... watch out if it disagrees with their position. I keep myself in check over there, and haven't engaged too much in the "spill" for which I assume his knowledge of the industry got him banned.

There are time I wished these forums would have language and mannerism requirements, but I am glad nobody gets banned for being conservative like in the other forum site.

[clambake]

maybe he performs abortions on the side.

[jack sommerset]

Pretty cowardly.

[clambake]

there i go making my wild cobra assumptions.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Dr. Calzada Is Back... And Still Wrong
May 13, 2009 11:28 am ET
During a May 13, 2009 appearance on E&E TV, oil-funded economist Dr. Gabriel Calzada repeated false claims about green jobs. Once again, the facts just aren't on his side.

Dr. Calzada: "All the resources that have been taken from other parts of the economy and put into the creation of these jobs or the subsidy of renewable energy, if you look at how many jobs this amount of money created in the rest of the economy, you see that for every job that you have been creating, or subsidizing, you would have created 2.2 jobs in the rest of the economy." [E&E TV, 5/13/09]

Investment In Renewable Energy Creates Jobs
FACT: Investment in Clean Energy Technology Creates FOUR TIMES As Many Jobs As An Investment In Oil & Gas. According to the Center for American Progress: "Spending $100 billion within the domestic oil industry would create only about 542,000 jobs in the United States. A green infrastructure investment program would create nearly four times more jobs than spending the same amount of money on oil energy resources. And again, spending on oil offers no benefits in transitioning the U.S. economy toward a low-carbon future, while perpetuating the economic and national security vulnerabilities by continuing to rely on oil for the lifeblood of our economy." [Center for American Progress, "Green Recovery," September 2008]

FACT: Every State In The U.S. Stands To Gain Jobs From An Investment In Renewable Energy. According to the Center for American Progress, "each state is now poised to gain substantial benefits through our economic recovery program to promote green investments in both the priLuck_The_Fakers_vate and public sectors. Regardless of a state's topography or climate, major opportuniLuck_The_Fakers_ties for green investments exist now and will grow with time. These investments, in turn, will become a powerful engine of job creation as the United States advances toward building a low-carbon economy." [Center for American Progress, "Green Recovery," September 2008]

FACT: Investment In Renewable Energy Has Already Salvaged Many Manufacturing Facilities Closed During Economic Downturn. Across America, factories and plants abandoned by the old economy have been re-tooled and re-opened to satisfy the growing demand for new energy technologies. For instance, once hopeless manufacturing plants in Pennsylvania, Iowa, and Michigan have re-energized their communities by creating jobs and leading the charge toward a new energy future. [Bloomberg, 4/2/09; Star Tribune, 4/22/09; Grand Rapids Press, 3/6/08]

Dr. Calzada Is An Unreliable Source
Dr. Calzada Is Involved With Numerous Causes Funded By ExxonMobil. Dr. Calzada serves as a senior fellow at the Centre for the New Europe, and was a guest at the Heartland Institute's 2009 International Conference on Climate Change, all of which received extensive funding from ExxonMobil, the world's largest oil company. [Wall Street Journal, 3/20/09; IRS 990 forms via Greenpeace, accessed 5/13/09; DeSmogBlog, accessed 5/13/09]

Calzada's Study Cannot Identify Which Jobs Were Destroyed By Investment In Renewable Energy. As reported by the Wall Street Journal: "But the study doesn't actually identify those jobs allegedly destroyed by renewable-energy spending. What the study actually says is that government spending on renewable energy is less than half as efficient at job creation as private-sector spending. Specifically, each green job required on average 571,000 euros, compared with 259,000 euros in 'average capital per worker' in the rest of the economy." [Wall Street Journal, 3/20/09]

:lmao

[Wild Cobra]

maybe he performs abortions on the side.
No. That is an incredibly poor imitation.

Does your shift key not work?

I keep having to go back and correct my work. I love my new computer except for this keyboard. the shift key needs to be pushed harder than the others.

[Wild Cobra]

:lmao
Yep, people like you would think such threats are funny.

Have any moral character at all?

[DarrinS]

:lmao


If the guy is just some ExxonMobile consultant hack and his analysis is completely unreliable, there's probably no need to send the guy a bomb, right?

[clambake]

Yep, people like you would think such threats are funny.

Have any moral character at all?

people, who mocked the death of soldiers that opposed the war, shouldn't judge.

[Wild Cobra]

people, who mocked the death of soldiers that opposed the war, shouldn't judge.Do you like placing yourself in such light of ignorance?

[RandomGuy]

<crickets>

The persons responsible for mailing the bomb should go to jail.

I think it is indicative of the general amount of riled-upness out there, and no more indicative of the general population of "greenies" than the jackasses opposing the health care reforms who phoned in death threats to members of congress were representative of the wider population.

Sorry I don't buy into the "power grab" conspiracy theory that is fashionable among conservatives.

[clambake]

Do you like placing yourself in such light of ignorance?

you should feel pretty stupid about that disclosure.

does it bother you to be reminded?

[Wild Cobra]

Sorry I don't buy into the "power grab" conspiracy theory that is fashionable among conservatives.
I'll agree that most people advocating green policies are not power hungry. However, this movement is used by the power hungry. Just like religion is used for power.

[Drachen]

Maybe nobody is surprised?

I'm not.

Look at the venom anytime we take our position of global warming. now when you consider how many people have staked their future on the topic.

I visit another forum, and there is a petroleum expert there who is also a "denier." Recently he was banned from the site for "trolling." i looked over his last several postings, and his remarks were very tame compared to his opposition. Funny how liberals say they believe in free speech, but damn... watch out if it disagrees with their position. I keep myself in check over there, and haven't engaged too much in the "spill" for which I assume his knowledge of the industry got him banned.

There are time I wished these forums would have language and mannerism requirements, but I am glad nobody gets banned for being conservative like in the other forum site.

Let me start by saying that not only is this action disgusting, but it is also counter productive for the green energy company. What freakin yahoo had this idea and thought it to be a good one.

With all of that being said, you can't sit here and pull to ol' "maybe no one is surprised" which basically implies that this is what is expected. It's one company, and if you are going to allow in the "Look what AZ law does" thread that there are going to be some asshole cops, but that shouldn't deter us from the bigger picture (rightly I might add), then you have to allow that there are going to be some asshole green tech employees, and that we shouldn't allow them to deter us from the bigger picture.

Bring up global warming, I truly don't care. Even without global warming there are economic drivers for green tech even ones completely unrelated to energy (public health for example). More importantly, there are environmental drivers for green tech (even disallowing GW or climate change). There are even moral drivers for green tech (good stewardship).

So if you can allow in another thread that we shouldn't let a few bad apples ruin it for the rest of us (once again, rightly) don't try to flip flop later.

[Drachen]

I'll agree that most people advocating green policies are not power hungry. However, this movement is used by the power hungry. Just like religion is used for power.

Ok, thank you, this is a little more of a measured response.

[Wild Cobra]

Ok, thank you, this is a little more of a measured response.
Well, I see plenty of 'leftist" protests here in Portland. They do some pretty nasty things at time. I'm not surprised that someone on the left does such things. I never said it was from the company itself, but it is right in line with the thing some leftist activists do.

[RandomGuy]

By the by:
Here is Mr. Alvarez' study: (full name is Gabriel Calzada Álvarez PhD, the OP article got his name wrong)
http://www.juandemariana.org/pdf/090327-employment-public-aid-renewable.pdf

It is a fairly well-written paper, but the basis for his calculations in a couple of areas were far from comprehensive.

The largest flaw in his study is that, buried in his underlying assumptions, all of the price increases were solely due to the costs of new solar/wind projects, i.e. no new generating capacity would have been installed otherwise during the time.

He also failed to account for the avoided fuel costs of that renewable energy as a mitigating factor, especially when it comes to one of the main strengths of distributed PV, namely avoiding transmission losses and peak generating capacity coinciding with peak demand times.

Further, he seemed to miss the cost/benefit analysis into likely future costs/benefits. It's a bit like trying to determine whether or not it is profitable to build a new factory just by lumping in the costs all up front, but missing the benefits after the payoff period.

It doesn't seem like deliberate cherry-picking of data, it was just not very comprehensive in the cost/benefit analysis.

One of his sources though,

http://www.asif.org/files/INFORME_ADL_%20ASIF_APPA_FINAL_2007_English.pdf

Offered a bit more of a comprehensive analysis of PV power.

The hardest part about measuring the payoff of renewables is the future costs of oil/gas/coal.

Given a rising demand for these energy sources, and a declining supply, it seems likely to me that the payoffs 10-20 years down the road by avoiding fuel costs will be substantial.

[RandomGuy]

Funny how liberals say they believe in free speech, but damn... watch out if it disagrees with their position.

Do you really think it is different in "conservative" forums?

I disagree with any such banning of someone just for their opinions, as long as they are expressed in a fairly mature manner. The value of forums is in the testing and exchange of ideas.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Funny how liberals say they believe in free speech, but damn... watch out if it disagrees with their position. I keep myself in check over there, and haven't engaged too much in the "spill" for which I assume his knowledge of the industry got him banned.

wouldn't free speech encompass the right of the forum owners to ban people they don't like? or to call somebody out for their opinion? or to say someone is stupid for their opinion?

[Veterinarian]

Maybe nobody is surprised?

I'm not.

Look at the venom anytime we take our position of global warming. now when you consider how many people have staked their future on the topic.

I visit another forum, and there is a petroleum expert there who is also a "denier." Recently he was banned from the site for "trolling." i looked over his last several postings, and his remarks were very tame compared to his opposition. Funny how liberals say they believe in free speech, but damn... watch out if it disagrees with their position. I keep myself in check over there, and haven't engaged too much in the "spill" for which I assume his knowledge of the industry got him banned.

There are time I wished these forums would have language and mannerism requirements, but I am glad nobody gets banned for being conservative like in the other forum site.

Lol free speech=lying about science to fit your agenda.

[RandomGuy]

One of his sources though,

http://www.asif.org/files/INFORME_ADL_%20ASIF_APPA_FINAL_2007_English.pdf

Offered a bit more of a comprehensive analysis of PV power.


I forgot to add an interesting bit either in Alvarez' paper or this one was that installing renewable/PV power in more rural areas where employment prospects were generally weak offered some regular permanent jobs.

Rural areas, generally far from power plants, offer some of the best opportunities for the construction of PV and wind capacity, because you get some real savings from avoiding transmission losses. This makes the more distributed power generating schemes a LOT more cost competitive.

[Winehole23]

Lol free speech=lying about science to fit your agenda.In all candor, why not?

[Veterinarian]

In all candor, why not?

He's saying that people shouldn't get mad and shut him up on their forums when he says Global Warming is a myth like their mad solely because he disagrees with them. They're mad because he's just lying and referring to a bunch of bullshit pseudo-science while trying to confuse people with half-baked scientific anecdotes and blurbs that don't mean what he says they mean.

Tbh they'd be just as angry if he tried to introduce Science that said the world was flat. Lol persecution/martyr complex for some bullshit waste of time so-called scientific arguments when he takes his "position" on Global Warming.

[Winehole23]

He's saying that people shouldn't get mad and shut him up on their forums when he says Global Warming is a myth like their mad solely because he disagrees with them. They're mad because he's just lying and referring to a bunch of bullshit pseudo-science while trying to confuse people with half-baked scientific anecdotes and blurbs that don't mean what he says they mean.Sure.

But shouldn't he be free to say it, all the more so since we're all free to rebut him?

[Winehole23]

If propaganda were ever effectively banned from this forum, we'd miss out on more than a few chuckles, brother. Conversation could even cease temporarily.

[ChumpDumper]

He should not have received a bomb, dismantled or otherwise.

[clambake]

how do you know he didn't concoct this entire event?

[Oh, Gee!!]

what would he have to gain from lying?

[Veterinarian]

If propaganda were ever effectively banned from this forum, we'd miss out on more than a few chuckles, brother. Conversation could even cease temporarily.

Yeah, but he's probably one of those people who says that schools who ban people who teach that the Earth is 6000 years old/Global warming is a myth are against free speech, like if you banned a math teacher who taught that 2+2=5 you'd be banning free speech. Tbh his argument is so retarded that I need to take stupid pills to fully understand it.

[clambake]

what would he have to gain from lying?

he could be an attention whore.

see "joe the plumber"

see "B girl"

[Oh, Gee!!]

it was a rhetorical question.

[clambake]

it was a rhetorical question.

and i thought we had built a bridge of communication. :depressed

[Oh, Gee!!]

that's what you get for being like wild cobra and assuming

[clambake]

that's what you get for being like wild cobra and assuming

take that back. wild cobra's assumptions are legend.

[ChumpDumper]

What did the Spanish police have to say about it? Strange there is nothing from them in the fair and balanced report.

[clambake]

no shit

[ChumpDumper]

Dr. Calzada contacted a terrorism expert to handle the package. The expert first performed a scan of the package, then opened it in front of a journalist, Dr. Calzada, and a private security expert.No mention of the police at all.

[clambake]

No mention of the police at all.

could have gotten the components from said expert.

[TeyshaBlue]

If propaganda were ever effectively banned from this forum, we'd miss out on more than a few chuckles, brother. Conversation could even cease temporarily.

However, boutons would vanish in a puff of logic, so it has it's good points.

[RandomGuy]

He should not have received a bomb, dismantled or otherwise.

I agree. Netflix needs to be prosecuted for distributing Pauly Shore movies for the same reasons.

[clambake]

<crickets>

where's the rest of the story?

[ChumpDumper]

where's the rest of the story?<crickets>

[RandomGuy]

how do you know he didn't concoct this entire event?

We don't.

People usually don't make this stuff up though. On the other hand, zealots occasionally will rationalize lying about things.

The paper I read didn't make him really sound like one of those zealots, IMO.

More likely to me is that Mr. Alvarez' account is genuine and there is simply some jackass out there that did it.

[RandomGuy]

No mention of the police at all.

hmm *that* is an important point though.

Conspiracy theorists tend to be masters at rationalizing behaviors.

It may even be possible that some "denier" did it to have something to make "greenies" look bad.

Hard to say. I hope it gets taken to real police so we can get some idea as to what/who dunnit.

[Veterinarian]

I agree. Netflix needs to be prosecuted for distributing Pauly Shore movies for the same reasons.

Tbh I laughed my ass off when Roger Ebert said something to the effect of "A critics job is to be a bomb sniffing dog for the public" and that they see and sit through the turds like Pauly Shore so we don't have to.

[RandomGuy]

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/page/217145_Todays_Outrageous__Outrage_is_

Someone actually contacted the company in question.

The item sent seems to have been an oil filter and some other auto parts.

Basically, the company says it meant to send a copy of a formal report and response. What got sent instead was a package of loose autoparts of some sort. Either the mistake was one of a shipping department or a postal mix-up.

The guy didn’t know what was in there, so he called the company, and they, thinking that he was referring to what they thought they sent, i.e. some bound paper report and response, said it was their response to his work. This was taken as a sinister threat, rather than what was probably intended.

The end of the article referenced by LGF said basically that the guy himself seems convinced it was simply a misunderstanding.

Here is the original spanish article:

http://www.libertaddigital.com/economia/la-empresa-solar-asegura-que-nunca-ha-querido-amenazar-a-calzada-1276395934/

Basically it is some cherry picking by some blog who was looking for something to pin on "envirowhackos" and didn't bother to fact-check. This got passed around in an internet "Telephone Game" by a bunch of conservatives who love stories that fit into their "envirowhacko" narrative.

Total non-issue.

Why am I not surprised?

[clambake]

did he carve anything on his face?

[RandomGuy]

did he carve anything on his face?

Good call.

For those who don't remember:

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/17789356/detail.html


Police: Woman With 'B' Scratched In Face Faked Political Attack
Bloomfield ATM Robbery At Knifepoint Was Made Up, Police Say

On Thursday afternoon, police reported that Todd told them she was using a Citizens Bank ATM at Liberty Avenue and Pearl Street when a man approached her and put a knife to her throat just before 9 p.m. Wednesday.

Police spokeswoman Diane Richard said Todd told them the robber took $60, then became angry when he saw a sticker for Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain on Todd's car. Todd said the man punched and kicked her before using a dull knife to scratch her face, Richard said.

"She further stated that the male actor approached her from the back again and hit her in the back of her head with an object, she doesn't know what the object was, causing her to fall to the ground where he continued to punch her and kick her and threaten to 'teach her a lesson' for being a McCain supporter," Richard said Thursday.

The woman refused medical treatment after the alleged assault, which happened outside the view of the bank's surveillance cameras. That seemed suspicious to police.

"We have robbers here in Pittsburgh, but they don't generally mutilate someone's face like that. They take the money and run," Bryant said.

Speaking to Channel 4 Action News on Friday, Richard said police decided to question Todd because the details of her story weren't adding up.
Video:Raw Interview: Police Spokeswoman Talks to WTAE

"We have learned that the victim's statement has a few inconsistencies in it and her statement has changed," said Richard.

Richard said Todd said on Friday she wasn't sure if it was a bumper sticker on her car or a campaign button on her jacket that angered the attacker. Richard said Todd added new details to the attack, saying at one point she lost consciousness.

"She also indicated she was sexually assaulted as well. She indicated that when he had her on the ground he put his hand up her blouse and started fondling her. But other than that, she says she doesn't remember anything else. So we're adding a sexual assault to this as well," Richard said.

Police said they gave a polygraph test to Todd, but they didn't release the results. During a follow-up interview, Todd came clean.

"Miss Todd stated she made up the story, which snowballed and got out of control. Miss Todd stated she was not robbed and there was no 6-foot-4 black male attacker," Richard said.

On Thursday, before police said the story was a fake, both the Obama-Biden and McCain-Palin campaigns released statements about the attack.

[Winehole23]

However, boutons would vanish in a puff of logic, so it has it's good points.His hatred and vulgarity might survive him. That would be one downside.

[Oh, Gee!!]

sounds like a typical episode of Three's Company

[Winehole23]

The item sent seems to have been an oil filter and some other auto parts....:rollin

[ElNono]

So much for the bomb 'expert'...

[ElNono]

http://www.rockoilrefining.com/uploads/images/Oil%20Filters%20Whole%20or%20Crushed.jpg

Oh noes! It's gonna blow!

[ChumpDumper]

Any comment, DarrinS?

[clambake]

Any comment, DarrinS?

he bailed a long time ago.

we can ask him again......and again.......and again.

[ChumpDumper]

<crickets>

[George Gervin's Afro]

Any comment, DarrinS?

crickets



pin dropping

[clambake]

bump

[EmptyMan]

http://riachu777.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/mac.jpg

[DMX7]

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/breaking-green-energy-company-threatens-economics-professor-with-package-of-dismantled-bomb-parts/?singlepage=true

Fail

http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/99254010-684f-4e09-a835-3ef8570fd524.jpg

[Wild Cobra]

Do you really think it is different in "conservative" forums?

I disagree with any such banning of someone just for their opinions, as long as they are expressed in a fairly mature manner. The value of forums is in the testing and exchange of ideas.
It was mainly the reason giving for the banning. Completely false as near as I can tell. I believe it was because this guy worked for oil companies and had good facts. It was a science site and he would make the moderators look bad with facts.

Simply cannot bring in valid facts when scientists are so brainwashed concerning Global warming.

[Wild Cobra]

If propaganda were ever effectively banned from this forum, we'd miss out on more than a few chuckles, brother. Conversation could even cease temporarily.

Without propaganda, maybe liberalism would return to what it was in the 60's. Not the socialistic agenda it has today.

[clambake]

Maybe nobody is surprised?

I'm not.

Look at the venom anytime we take our position of global warming. now when you consider how many people have staked their future on the topic.

I visit another forum, and there is a petroleum expert there who is also a "denier." Recently he was banned from the site for "trolling." i looked over his last several postings, and his remarks were very tame compared to his opposition. Funny how liberals say they believe in free speech, but damn... watch out if it disagrees with their position. I keep myself in check over there, and haven't engaged too much in the "spill" for which I assume his knowledge of the industry got him banned.

There are time I wished these forums would have language and mannerism requirements, but I am glad nobody gets banned for being conservative like in the other forum site.
your editing does not mask your stupidity, welfare child.

[Oh, Gee!!]

whooops!!! that wasn't a bomb, it was a radiator. Sorry for the mix-up; I'm sure the conservatives won't run wild with this one and make it into something it wasn't.

I guess you've never met Sean Hannity

[ChumpDumper]

Still no comment from DarrinS? I would at least expect a change of subject, but I guess WC attempted that with his bitching about mods on other boards.

[RandomGuy]

Still no comment from DarrinS? I would at least expect a change of subject, but I guess WC attempted that with his bitching about mods on other boards.

Darrin has not logged in for several days. He wil likely own up to the fuck-up though, I would guess.

[clambake]

Darrin has not logged in for several days. He wil likely own up to the fuck-up though, I would guess.

yeah, i'm really sorry what he was wishing for was a hoax.

poor darrins dream turned nightmare.

[DarrinS]

So it wasn't a bomb? Good for that company, but they probably shouldn't send him anything.

[clambake]

<crickets>

:lmao

[George Gervin's Afro]

So it wasn't a bomb? Good for that company, but they probably shouldn't send him anything.

you're wrong alot

[DarrinS]

you're wrong alot


Did you mean "a lot"?


Evidently, the energy company did nothing wrong and the economist didn't concoct the story.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Did you mean "a lot"?


Evidently, the energy company did nothing wrong and the economist didn't concoct the story.

the economist is a fact cherry picker..

[DarrinS]

To tell you the truth, I was a bit surprised when I read this story. You'd expect a fringe environmental group like ELF to do something like this, but not a legitimate business.


From what I've read, Dr. Calzada has received threatening letters and emails in the past, so I'm sure he was a bit apprehensive when he received a box of strange parts in the mail.

[DarrinS]

the economist is a fact cherry picker..


Don't try to be RG. You're not nearly smart enough to pull it off.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Don't try to be RG. You're not nearly smart enough to pull it off.

It's not very dfficult to find this fool cherry picks his data....

fyi I googled the fool..

[DarrinS]

The original article I posted has updated their story.




Update: A Spanish correspondent is following this story for us in the Spanish media; there are some reports that the underlying issue was a courier error , compounded by the less tangible threats and attacks Calzada has suffered. We continue to follow the story and will keep readers informed. — Editors.

Further update: There have been some developments since this was published. The short version is that a series of coincidences led Gabriel Calzada to believe a package was a bomb threat. Let’s just review what Calzada was responding to: he received an unsolicited package addressed as from a “green” company. Thermotechnic. When he called to ask about it, he was told: “It’s our response to your study [on green jobs].”

It didn’t look like, or feel like, a letter or report, so at that point Calzada got a security guard to scan it — and what was inside was a cylindrical object with wires attached. At that point, the security guard got an expert to examine it, with others in attendance. The contents were a container for diesel of some sort, and some other parts. The expert saw this as a bomb threat, based on a pattern used by, eg., ETA: “This one is a hoax bomb. The next one might not be.”

So Calzada took this as a threat based on the experts’ opinions. Remember that Calzada has been viciously attacked for having had the temerity to publish a study that questioned the economic effectiveness of “green jobs” in Spain, including having been threatened personally and professionally. It was at that point Horner wrote this piece.

Since then, especially following the controversy becoming public in the Spanish press, the company contacted Calzada; what appears to have happened is this:

•A package containing car parts was swapped for a package containing a report intended for Calzada.
•The Thermotechnic person Calzada contacted said something that was ambiguous.
•Calzada, already the subject of threats and intimidation, relied on expert opinion that it was a bomb threat.
As further information became available, it became clear it was a misunderstanding based on several coincidences. Calzada has written an open letter explaining this in detail, and now agrees there was no threat from Thermotechnic.

[clambake]

he called a terrorism expert.....when he shoulda called a mechanic.

he fucked up all around. he could have made a few bucks selling this story to darrin. lol

[DarrinS]

It's not very dfficult to find this fool cherry picks his data....

fyi I googled the fool..



What's the first link you get if you put these words in a google search?


green energy company bomb



Google search is an algorithm and has nothing to do with the quality of content.

[Wild Cobra]

yeah, i'm really sorry what he was wishing for was a hoax.

poor darrins dream turned nightmare.

LOL...

You have such funny fantasies.

[clambake]

viciously attacked. lol

keep it coming darrin.

[clambake]

LOL...

You have such funny fantasies.

another lemming that bought the story. lol

[George Gervin's Afro]

LOL...

You have such funny fantasies.

coming from the guy who just said that supporting activist judges is un american... what a fantasy world you live in..

[ElNono]

Google search is an algorithm and has nothing to do with the quality of content.

Apparently is not just Google Search providing weak content...

[DarrinS]

Apparently is not just Google Search providing weak content...


This site is heavily cross-linked, especially this forum. So, we give Kori a kickass Google search score, even if a particular story turns out to be bogus, like the one in the OP.

That's the thing about the blogosphere. You may get information WAY before the MSM, but it hasn't necessarily been verified, etc.

I'm more than willing to admit when I'm wrong, based on developing information, new data, etc. This is more than I can say for my opponents in the AGW camp. Hopefully, some of them will jump off that sinking ship after global temps continue to remain flat and/or decline for the next 20 years.

[Wild Cobra]

Google search is an algorithm and has nothing to do with the quality of content.
Except when someone pays to be at or near the top of the search list.

[clambake]

This site is heavily cross-linked, especially this forum. So, we give Kori a kickass Google search score, even if a particular story turns out to be bogus, like the one in the OP.

That's the thing about the blogosphere. You may get information WAY before the MSM, but it hasn't necessarily been verified, etc.

I'm more than willing to admit when I'm wrong, based on developing information, new data, etc. This is more than I can say for my opponents in the AGW camp. Hopefully, some of them will jump off that sinking ship after global temps have continue to remain flat and/or decline for the next 20 years.

nope. took you several days to wake up. butt hurting.

[DarrinS]

Except when someone pays to be at or near the top of the search list.

Yeah, that is a wrinkle. Google turns out to be an "evil" corp, just like all the others. Somewhere, boutons is bummed.

[DarrinS]

nope. took you several days to wake up. butt hurting.


Actually, I've been in west Texas for four days, you monosyllabic ass whipe.

[clambake]

Actually, I've been in west Texas for four days, you monosyllabic ass whipe.

no. you bailed because of your douche thread, birther.

[ChumpDumper]

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[ElNono]

This site is heavily cross-linked, especially this forum. So, we give Kori a kickass Google search score, even if a particular story turns out to be bogus, like the one in the OP.

That's the thing about the blogosphere. You may get information WAY before the MSM, but it hasn't necessarily been verified, etc.

The problem is such garbage produce more garbage like this stuff:


Yep, people like you would think such threats are funny.

Have any moral character at all?

or


<crickets>

[clambake]

Actually, I've been in west Texas for four days, ass wiping my butt hurt..

[Winehole23]

Hopefully, some of them will jump off that sinking ship after global temps continue to remain flat and/or decline for the next 20 years.Is that a statistically significant sample in geographical time? Honest question. What would be a statistically significant sample, timewise?

(I can't do the calculation. I probably couldn't ever do it. Little help, anyone?)

[Winehole23]

ass whipeThis spelling is wino-approved and may soon be wino -tested. :tu

[Winehole23]

Lately, I've been more of a sh!t-stain user.

[RandomGuy]

Did you mean "a lot"?


Evidently, the energy company did nothing wrong and the economist didn't concoct the story.

You posted this because it fits in with a personal narrative/belief that environmentalists are often extremist whackos.

It is at the top of the google search because it got passed from one blogger to another without any real critical thinking or modicum of fact-checking. I have accused a lot of conservatives, as well as no few liberals, of this exact same thing.

This is nothing more than a good example of the human tendency towards confirmation bias, no offense, Darrin. It is something we all do to some degree or other.

Hopefully something we can all take from this is the lesson that we really should exercise a bit more critical thinking when it comes to something we might be predisposed to agree with.

[RandomGuy]

This site is heavily cross-linked, especially this forum. So, we give Kori a kickass Google search score, even if a particular story turns out to be bogus, like the one in the OP.

That's the thing about the blogosphere. You may get information WAY before the MSM, but it hasn't necessarily been verified, etc.

I'm more than willing to admit when I'm wrong, based on developing information, new data, etc. This is more than I can say for my opponents in the AGW camp. Hopefully, some of them will jump off that sinking ship after global temps continue to remain flat and/or decline for the next 20 years.

... leading into a point I was going to refrain from making, but since you brought it up:

During the course of our discussions on AGW/ACC/whatever, I took a good look into a lot of the minutae provided by Wild Cobra that forms the basis for the "denier" movement's claims.

I was less than impressed at the quality of a good chunk of the data and claims. I don't think that you or WC have really applied any honest skepticism to any of it, especially from what I have seen.

Not that the denier movement doesn't make some valid points. It does.

On the same token, some of the data that I have found to support AGW/ACC has some flaws and drawbacks that I can see.

The thing that really stands out in my mind is the fact that the reports and studies on the part of the AGW/ACC camp are all rather good faith attempts at finding the truth, but I found no few number of instances of intellectual dishonesty or sloppieness in the denier data.

Ultimately it boils down to two piles of data and sound risk management. I have weighed enough data to make a reasonable conclusion as to possibilities and probabilities, and who is more credible, even though I remain less than qualified or interested to write any formal scientific papers on the subject.

For me, the final nail in your arguments' coffin is that your denier claims have consistantly ignored the principles of risk management, and do so in a generally intellectually dishonest way.

That is not how you win converts to your arguments. You may convince yourself that AGW/ACC is a "sinking ship", but for people who don't share your confirmation bias regarding that theory, it is rather obvious.

Lastly: I will point out one thing that a lot of AGW/ACC people seem to miss is that carbon intensive fossil fuels are facing a real cliff in emissions within my lifetime, due to simple depletion factors.

Peak oil/gas/coal will enforce, though market means and in a very unpleasant way, the same kinds of penalties you are bitching about imposing now, but will make those penalties MUCH more severe down the road than they would be with a modest effort now.

You will realize, too late, that you were wrong in not pushing for an early switchover, and when you do, remember:

I told you so.