Bulls offered Dallas Luol Deng for Dampier

[mikeschy55]

According to Broussard's Twitter...

@Mini_56 Bullshttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1024259#) could trade Deng. EC Exec told me they offered Deng to Dallas for Erick Dampier (nonguaranteed contract). Dallas said NO!


Dallas can get more from Dampier's contract. I expect more attractive offers to come when the free agency period arrives. Dallas is adding two stars to its roster this summer... Roddy & Player X

[monosylab1k]

adding Deng would have been nice tbh. Not great, a bit redundant, but at least there's more size and athleticism on the roster with him.

Cuban thinks he's getting a big name FA. I really fear that he'll fail and the DUST chip that we've been jizzing our pants about for a year now will go to waste.

If Jefferson is ever on the table for real, Cuban cannot afford to let that deal go.

[Ignorant Spurs fan]

WAHHHAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAA!!!! :lmao:lmao:lmao

Silly Chokerick!!! Adding Deng would've guaranteed them a championship! He's the piece they've been missing for decades, but now they are just destined to CHOKE!!!! :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[monosylab1k]

damn, deng is only 25? I thought he was around jho/caron's age.

if DUST can't get a big name FA or Al Jefferson, turning down this deal will be horrible.

[jack sommerset]

WAHHHAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAA!!!! :lmao:lmao:lmao

Silly Chokerick!!! Adding Deng would've guaranteed them a championship! He's the piece they've been missing for decades, but now they are just destined to CHOKE!!!! :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Dumbass, they might not get Dirk back and what a kick in the nuts it would be to see da Bulls dump damp then sign Dirk.

[Mel_13]

Yeah, Mavs aren't going to use Dampier to give the Bulls enough cap space for 2 max FAs with 8-10M left over.

[Ignorant Spurs fan]

Dumbass, they might not get Dirk back and what a kick in the nuts it would be to see da Bulls dump damp then sign Dirk.

You idiot, Dallas would be clear favorites to win it all, and probly even repeat if they added Deng to their roster, but they passed on it!! :lmao

[mikeschy55]

Dirks not going anywhere. He's our top priority, but there's only a very remote possiblity of him leaving Dallas... according to just about everyone who covers Dirk's free agency.

Deng would be nice, but Rudy Gay would be better. Dallas has a lot of confidence in Dampier's contract, and I don't think they would reject that deal unless they knew for certain that they could do better.

[Darthkiller]

mavs could do a lot better than deng with damp's contract.

[silverblk mystix]

IF this is true, dallas does not EVER deserve to win a title...what fuckin' dumbasses---

why can't the spurs ever get any stupid no-brainer offers like that?

[MavDynasty]

If they got Deng, Mavs would need to trade Caron or Marion otherwise there would be a huge logjam at SF. imo Caron>Deng

[JamStone]

Dallas was right to not agree to that. Luol Deng doesn't really help them that much. And why would any team help the Bulls guarantee enough cap space for two max free agents?

[DJ Mbenga]

so what are they going to do? add shaq and rudy gay? basically dampier is a salary dump. his non guaranteed contract basically lets the mavs have 10 million in cap room but only way of acquiring a player is through sign and trade or trade

[Stump]

Realistically, what can Dallas get for Dampier?

[Eric Dampier]

You motherfuckers are dumb if you think that Dallas is going to trade me, the best center in the NBA, for some African guy nobody's ever heard of. :lol

If I was Dallas i'd be insulted with such a joke of an offer! Does Chicago know that April Fools was months ago? :elephant

[JamStone]

You still spell your name wrong.

[NewJerSpur]

If they got Deng, Mavs would need to trade Caron or Marion otherwise there would be a huge logjam at SF. imo Caron>Deng

Trade aside, if health isn't an issue, I'd take Deng over Butler.

[Trainwreck2100]

lol deng, dallas prob laughed their ass off

[Trainwreck2100]

check that dampiers still there so they kept their ass

[mikeschy55]

Dampier can offer anywhere from $10-16 million in cap relief (his contract must be within 125% of whatever player being traded for). Dallas then can offer Butler (guaranteed but expiring as well) for more salary dump or add multiple future first rounders, Dominique Jones, a reliable back up PG in Barea, and maybe even Roddy Beaubois if it's for the right player (as in a #1 option). I think Dallas is going to be a significantly better team next season.

[Mavs_man_41]

a reliable back up PG in Barea

i was with you until this. :lmao

[mikeschy55]

i was with you until this. :lmao

At $1.8 million per year he's pretty reliable. I know a lot of people hated him last year because he was a progress stopper for Beaubois, but I think most people consider him as a serviceable/reliable back up. Particularly at his price.

[dallasmavsnfuego214]

tbh, if on the right team Barea is a reliable backup PG. The problem was that, Beaubois was already a lot better and has a ton of potential so we just didn't want to see him in the game.

[Goran Dragic]

I think most people consider him as a serviceable/reliable back up. Particularly at his price.


Oh man, you're not gonna do to well with the other Mavs fans on this board :lol

[monosylab1k]

At $1.8 million per year he's pretty reliable. I know a lot of people hated him last year because he was a progress stopper for Beaubois, but I think most people consider him as a serviceable/reliable back up. Particularly at his price.

As an occasional change of pace guy, he's okay. A very occasional change of pace guy. There are times where his offense can catch the opponent off-guard and in spurts Barea is effective. I was a big Barea fan in the early part of the 08-09 season for that very reason. Carlisle used him in spurts, for the most part he didn't overuse him, and overall Barea looked decent. At some point that season he started overdoing it and I soured on Barea quickly.

The problem is when you overexpose him like Carlisle did then and all of last season. A 5-9 shooting guard with T-Rex arms can't be counted on to give the team regular contributions every night at both ends of the court. JJ Barea has no business playing a backup role to Kidd next season. If he's not the 10th man or lower on the bench, the Mavericks have serious issues next season.

If Carlisle uses Barea next season similar to how Doc Rivers used Nate Robinson (play him when he's hot, leave him on the bench for all eternity when he isn't) then I don't mind Barea on this team. If Carlisle is giving Barea regular minutes that could go to Beaubois or Jones next season, then Carlisle needs to be fired.

[sribb43]

as an occasional change of pace guy, he's okay. A very occasional change of pace guy. There are times where his offense can catch the opponent off-guard and in spurts barea is effective. I was a big barea fan in 08-09 for that very reason. Carlisle used him in spurts, for the most part he didn't overuse him, and overall barea looked decent.

The problem is when you overexpose him like carlisle did all last season. A 5-9 shooting guard with t-rex arms can't be counted on to give the team regular contributions every night at both ends of the court. Jj barea has no business playing a backup role to kidd next season. If he's not the 10th man or lower on the bench, the mavericks have serious issues next season.

If carlisle uses barea next season similar to how doc rivers used nate robinson (play him when he's hot, leave him on the bench for all eternity when he isn't) then i don't mind barea on this team. If carlisle is giving barea regular minutes that could go to beaubois or jones next season, then carlisle needs to be fired.


+10000

[sribb43]

Not taking this deal was the best move off the offseason by the mavs

[silverblk mystix]

Not taking this deal was the best move off the offseason by the mavs

not only is mavs mgmt stupid...mavs fans are right there with them :lmao

[TE]

This trade would be an insult to Luol Deng.

[sribb43]

not only is mavs mgmt stupid...mavs fans are right there with them :lmao

Of course it would be smart to trade your biggest offseason asset to strengthen the SF spot when it already one of your most solid positions when there are other glaring holes on this team

Your about as incompetent as David Kahn of the T-wolves

[TDMVPDPOY]

deng is fkn shit....

[Sisk]

Dumbass, they might not get Dirk back and what a kick in the nuts it would be to see da Bulls dump damp then sign Dirk.

Trolled..

[Trainwreck2100]

and to think, those dumbasses in chitown could have had kobe for deng, now they want to get rid of him

[Ghazi]

If wat I've read about the DUST chip is correct, if Mavs do not like anything they see this summer they can waive him ro some shit and have a $13 million trade exception next year. So actually, the DUST chip can be used for this year or next year I think, although given the age of our core we need to make some shit happen this year.

Hell no to Deng... not even close to a superstar, which is what the Mavs need... Deng just means Dirk still has a decent but not great supporting cast and we'll talk about his lack of help come playoff time.

[timvpimp]

damn, deng is only 25? I thought he was around jho/caron's age.

if DUST can't get a big name FA or Al Jefferson, turning down this deal will be horrible.
DUST has a contract equivalent to 13m salary room and none of the rest teams having such size of rooms made the playoffs this year. James might choose to join D-Whistle in Miami but I don't think it'll ever be time to give up until James pens the deal with Miami. at first Miami has to get Wade's commitment and if they get a rejection instead of acceptance, Lerbon will have nowhere to go except Dallas based on our original analysis.

Only a Wade&James Dynasty looks a little better than James&Dirk, either pair will overwhelmingly dominate the league and win rings for them both. the only difference is the length of time of each dynasty. Mavs seem a little old and supposedly Dirk won't have too many more years to play at his current level, and Dirk is more than a half decade older than Lebron so it's reasonable worry that Lebron will probably get into the same dilemma in a couple years with aged mavs as in cleveland with the rattled & bald Z and craps.

Lebron and Wade will tire out at the same verse of time, provided that age has equal effects on them, but they will have collected oversatisfying honours by then. It's guaranteed the Lebron&Wade combo will win a lot more achievements than Lebron&Dirk may possibly get, and that'll be the only reason for Lebron to choose Miami over Dallas.

[sefant77]

Well, i always said, James could sign a S&T deal with a player option for the 4th year. He has a roster that definatly can win the next 3 years and the same time wait the development in NY and NJ.

Dirk has at least 3 great years left. Kidd can play more years with reduced minutes. Most of the other players are 30 or 31. I dont see there an age issue in this 3 years, Mavs are deep enough too.

Just imagine Lebron and Dirk on one side for the pnp/pnr, Kidd and Terry waiting on the other side and Haywood under the basket. How you wanna defend that?

[Harry Callahan]

I don't think Dirk has three great years left with those shaky ankles. Lebrick is not going to Dallas unless it is to watch a Cowboys game.

[BUMP]

:madrun:madrun

Fellas, let's keep it real here. Chicago flat out tried to make us there bitch. They no perfectly well that Deng doesn't help us one bit, they just want Dampier to clear a shit ton of cap space to sign LeBron and they know that Deng would just screw everything up for us.

Aw, how far has this mighty Dallas Mavericks franchise has fallen that the Chicago freaking Bulls are trying to take advantage of us!!!:bang

[Shank]

And yet...they were laughed off.

[mikeschy55]

I don't think Dirk has three great years left with those shaky ankles. Lebrick is not going to Dallas unless it is to watch a Cowboys game.

I think Dirk has only missed 9 games in his entire career (something like that) because he's hardly ever injured. Not only that, but his game doesn't rely on athleticism. That's one of the greatest things about Dirk and it shouldn't be surprising to anyone if he goes another 3 years averaging 25 ppg.

[dbestpro]

I think Dallas should cut Dampier so they can extend Kidd for 60 mil for 6 years. Unless of course they want to trade Roddy for an aging veteran point guard.

[dallaskd]

If they got Deng, Mavs would need to trade Caron or Marion otherwise there would be a huge logjam at SF. imo Caron>Deng

I agree. Deng is a great player and only 25, but we're already set at SF. Send him off for a shooter or a big man.

[Giuseppe]

Deng will make you sorry, every single time.

[MavDynasty]

LOL deng

[Harry Callahan]

I think Dirk has only missed 9 games in his entire career (something like that) because he's hardly ever injured. Not only that, but his game doesn't rely on athleticism. That's one of the greatest things about Dirk and it shouldn't be surprising to anyone if he goes another 3 years averaging 25 ppg.

Dirk's ankles are a mess - he hasn't missed a lot of games, but he has hurt his ankles many times. The frequent sprains eventually catch up to you in the form of bone spurs and tendonitis. That's all I'm saying.

Could Dirk to it and have all-NBA seasons the next three years? Sure, but he does have a lot of miles on his legs.

[Basketballgirl25]

I think Dirk has only missed 9 games in his entire career (something like that) because he's hardly ever injured. Not only that, but his game doesn't rely on athleticism. That's one of the greatest things about Dirk and it shouldn't be surprising to anyone if he goes another 3 years averaging 25 ppg.

Ok, you say Dirk has only missed 9 games in his entire career, that's good for him. but he is getting up there is age so that could change at anytime, not saying it will, but something to look out for.

[BUMP]

Ok, you say Dirk has only missed 9 games in his entire career, that's good for him. but he is getting up there is age so that could change at anytime, not saying it will, but something to look out for.

Thanks for the insight :toast

Keep up the good posting!

[Goran Dragic]

Remember det one time Scott Skiles was trying to negotiate a trade for Kobe and said he's not trading Luol Deng under any circumstances?

[BullsDynasty]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Luolz.jpg

[Ghazi]

I agree. Deng is a great player and only 25, but we're already set at SF. Send him off for a shooter or a big man.

Great player? Is he even top 10 at his position? Borderline if anything.

Deng is not going to change a teams fortunes.

[spursfan1000]

Luol Deng is a good player, but they already have Caron Butler. I don't think that Dallas will get a big time free agent this off season, maybe just a few role players.

[Amarelooms]

Luol Deng is a good player, but they already have Caron Butler. I don't think that Dallas will get a big time free agent this off season, maybe just a few role players.

Looking that way....Cuban needs to forget about the big names Lebron, Wade, etc. Get what best 2nd tier players you can and hope Dirk re-signs. Get Shaq to sign and try and get a solid shooter like Ray Allen to join for cheap

If Lebron is really going to the Bulls with Bosch. Maybe Dirk can join Joe Johnson and go to Miami with Wade.

:elephant

[Ghazi]

Of course you, not being a Mavs fan, would want that.

and shut the fuck up about Shaq.

[spursfan1000]

:elephant

[Basketballgirl25]

Thanks for the insight :toast

Keep up the good posting!

no prob, anytime. I was not saying Dirk will get hurt or anything just thinking the way I think about people older in age I know if real life that do different sports, since as you get older got to watch out for those things.

[Amarelooms]

Of course you, not being a Mavs fan, would want that.

and shut the fuck up about Shaq.

You might as well change your sig and pics my Persian friend. Mavs ain't getting LBJ or any big name player.

Shaq is a strong possibility for the MLE unless he decides to tag along with James in Chicago.

Things are NOT looking good as usual for the Mavs....guess most people care about the Cowboys any how...maybe they will do something this year. Rangers looking right now so let's focus on that....

:elephant

[Amarelooms]

no prob, anytime. I was not saying Dirk will get hurt or anything just thinking the way I think about people older in age I know if real life that do different sports, since as you get older got to watch out for those things.

Post a picture of what you look like please....if it's what I expect I can just put you on ignore...thanks

:elephant

[mikeschy55]

Ok, you say Dirk has only missed 9 games in his entire career, that's good for him. but he is getting up there is age so that could change at anytime, not saying it will, but something to look out for.

1) Really my point here was that his game doesn't rely on athleticism, which makes his style more durable as he gets older. Why does his age matter if he's still capable of doing all the things he's done throughout his career? Most players decline as they get older because their declining athleticism begins to restrict their abilities. There's not one thing that Dirk won't be able to do next year that he did last year. As long as Dirk stays healthy, I don't see a problem for him.


2) Also, someone mentioned ankle problems.... someone who obviously hasn't kept up with Dirk's career. Dirk's not a high flyer, a slasher, or someone whose going to dunk it over the top centers in the league. Because of his style of play, he's rarely exposed to injury -- that includes ankle injuries. There are 25 yr old players who have had more problems with their ankles than Dirk.

3) Someone mentioned that Dallas wasn't getting a star, maybe a couple solid rotation players...... I have a question. Would Dallas turn down Luol Deng (a wing that averages 18 ppg and 7 rbp) without knowing (or having in depth insight of) their other available options? Some people don't understand how valuable Eric Dampier's contract is in the status quo of the NBA (mostly spurs fans in denial). Dallas is just sitting back and hearing out all their offers right now.