US MNT Thread : News, bullshit, and beating up on Mexico

[FromWayDowntown]

n/m

[Sense]

I actually think Bradley was a good coach... something tells me the US is about to experience what Argentina is experiencing now...

[Spurstro]

I actually think Bradley was a good coach...

So do I. People hate him, but it's not like he had a whole lot to work with.

[Spurstro]

There's an announcement coming tomorrow...wouldn't be surprised if they already have a coach lined up.

[scott]

Jurgen!!!!!!!!!!!

Woke up from a nap and heard the news... Feels like I'm still dreaming.

[Spurstro]

6 tournaments....4 Finals....he's so terrible

[Sense]

6 tournaments....4 Finals....he's so terrible

TBH, the hatred comes from delusional fans who think the US team should be world class.. :wakeup

[scott]

6 tournaments....4 Finals....he's so terrible

Actually, it's 5 tournaments and 4 finals... but 3 of those tournaments were the Gold Cup, which is an expectation not an accomplishment.

Bob's squad definitely overachieved in the Confed Cup, beating Spain, but it took an amazing sequence of events for that to happen. If US goes out in the knockout round there (which the US needed Egypt to beat Italy, then make up a combined 6 goal differential in the last games of the knockout stage by the US and Italy... LOL Italy) do people still think Bob is a good coach?

The US has been very bad since the World Cup. They had only won once between the World Cup and Gold Cup and it took a last minute goal against South Africa to do it. They were not at all impressive in the Gold Cup except for the first 25 minutes against Mexico where they looked pretty good before imploding.

Is Bob a terrible coach? No. But he could only take us so far (winning the occassional Gold Cup, advancing to knockout round of World Cup). A new coach and new identity was needed to continue to grow a team and brand that was starting to get stale. And with the country witnessing the success of our Women's team, I think the pressure was building to do SOMETHING to show we want our men to be as competitive.

Obviously a new coach alone isn't going to catapult is into the ELO top 10 and make us an automatic contender in Brazil... but it's the first step. Just look at Mexico's road to becoming the team they are now (and I think they will be better by 2014 and a real legit contender for the WC Title) - it came with finding young talent and putting that talent in the right position to develop and flourish. Meanwhile, Bob Bradley hasn't developed shit, running the same re-treads out over and over (See: Bornstein, Jonathan as prime example).

The most exciting young player we have, Stu Holden was basically completely ignored by Bob until he went to Bolton, led the EPL in tackles and was voted to a handful of Midseason Best XI squads before his injury. We can't sit around and wait for clubs to identify and develop our future for us.

[The_Worlds_finest]

Joy overwhelming. Bobs success outside of 2007 gold cup, was total blind fuckng luck. I'm stoked again excited about us soccer.

[Libri]

Watch it be someone like Sigi Schmid or some other MLS coach.

[Libri]

Carlo Ancelotti is available, I think.

[MannyIsGod]

Actually, it's 5 tournaments and 4 finals... but 3 of those tournaments were the Gold Cup, which is an expectation not an accomplishment.

Bob's squad definitely overachieved in the Confed Cup, beating Spain, but it took an amazing sequence of events for that to happen. If US goes out in the knockout round there (which the US needed Egypt to beat Italy, then make up a combined 6 goal differential in the last games of the knockout stage by the US and Italy... LOL Italy) do people still think Bob is a good coach?

The US has been very bad since the World Cup. They had only won once between the World Cup and Gold Cup and it took a last minute goal against South Africa to do it. They were not at all impressive in the Gold Cup except for the first 25 minutes against Mexico where they looked pretty good before imploding.

Is Bob a terrible coach? No. But he could only take us so far (winning the occassional Gold Cup, advancing to knockout round of World Cup). A new coach and new identity was needed to continue to grow a team and brand that was starting to get stale. And with the country witnessing the success of our Women's team, I think the pressure was building to do SOMETHING to show we want our men to be as competitive.

Obviously a new coach alone isn't going to catapult is into the ELO top 10 and make us an automatic contender in Brazil... but it's the first step. Just look at Mexico's road to becoming the team they are now (and I think they will be better by 2014 and a real legit contender for the WC Title) - it came with finding young talent and putting that talent in the right position to develop and flourish. Meanwhile, Bob Bradley hasn't developed shit, running the same re-treads out over and over (See: Bornstein, Jonathan as prime example).

The most exciting young player we have, Stu Holden was basically completely ignored by Bob until he went to Bolton, led the EPL in tackles and was voted to a handful of Midseason Best XI squads before his injury. We can't sit around and wait for clubs to identify and develop our future for us.

Amen Amen Amen Amen.

I'd bet money its going to be Jurgen.

[MannyIsGod]

@GrantWahl
Grant Wahl
US Soccer insider: "You're not going to be surprised" by identity of new coach.


Has to be Klinsman, right?

[Landon Donofag]

From Grant Wahl:


Source: Bradley was blindsided by dismissal. His staff was notifying players yesterday of call-ups for USA-Mexico friendly.

Wow that is fucked up. I actually liked bradley. :(

[MannyIsGod]

brianching Brian Ching
Some days just put a smile on your face.
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CROFL.

Bradley screwed Ching last year.

[MannyIsGod]

Watch it be someone like Sigi Schmid or some other MLS coach.

No fucking way its an MLS coach.

I think its almost certainly Klinsman but also maybe Lippi.

[Libri]

@BrentJavan
Brent Latham
People in a position to know telling me that they're pretty sure Klinsmann is the choice. Giving it a pretty high probability.

[lefty]

@GrantWahl
Grant Wahl
US Soccer insider: "You're not going to be surprised" by identity of new coach.


Has to be Klinsman, right?

Probably

He is only a consultant in Toronto, so I guess he is not really comitted there

[Spurstro]

Actually, it's 5 tournaments and 4 finals... but 3 of those tournaments were the Gold Cup, which is an expectation not an accomplishment.


it doesn't matter much, but....3 Gold Cups, Copa America, Conf. Cup, and World Cup.




Bob's squad definitely overachieved in the Confed Cup
I think everyone will agree they overachieved, and I think a lot of that has to do because of Bob and not in spite of him.



, beating Spain, but it took an amazing sequence of events for that to happen. If US goes out in the knockout round there (which the US needed Egypt to beat Italy, then make up a combined 6 goal differential in the last games of the knockout stage by the US and Italy... LOL Italy) do people still think Bob is a good coach?
You play 3 games and the 2 teams with the most points go through after that. All 3 of those games/rounds were equally important, so why just focus on the last game/round? The end result it what should matter.

The 2-0 win against Spain in the semi-final was fantastic, and many throughout the world Bob did fantastic tactically that game. After that game, and being up 2-nil at the half in the Final there were many more people saying he was a good coach, rather than a bad one.



The US has been very bad since the World Cup. They had only won once between the World Cup and Gold Cup and it took a last minute goal against South Africa to do it.
He was obviously experiencing with different line-ups a lot of the time, and the South Africa trip was pretty much all youngsters. You can't be worried too much about wins and losses in friendlies when you're trying to figure out what makes your team better for games that matter in the future.



They were not at all impressive in the Gold Cup except for the first 25 minutes against Mexico where they looked pretty good before imploding.
The Gold Cup was terrible for them (other than the first 25 against Mex). It was talked about in the Gold Cup thread, but they didn't know how to take it to the other team properly. They had been so good at letting the other team dictate the tempo, and then we would counter. We were on the other side this time around, and we had trouble....but, we made it to the Final. We were up 2-0. Cherundolo got hurt, Mexico stepped up, Clint hits one off the post, we stand around as Gio danced around the edge of the penalty box. Who knows what would happen if Chandler and Holden were around. It was a great game, and unfortunately things didn't go our way.




Is Bob a terrible coach? No. But he could only take us so far (winning the occassional Gold Cup, advancing to knockout round of World Cup). A new coach and new identity was needed to continue to grow a team and brand that was starting to get stale. And with the country witnessing the success of our Women's team, I think the pressure was building to do SOMETHING to show we want our men to be as competitive.
They had just re-signed him to another 4-year cycle less than a year ago. I don't see how anything has changed since then.

The women have been competitive for awhile now. More people in the U.S. watched the Womens World Cup when it was here, than this past one so I don't believe the women had anything to do with it.


Obviously a new coach alone isn't going to catapult is into the ELO top 10 and make us an automatic contender in Brazil... but it's the first step. Just look at Mexico's road to becoming the team they are now (and I think they will be better by 2014 and a real legit contender for the WC Title) - it came with finding young talent and putting that talent in the right position to develop and flourish. Meanwhile, Bob Bradley hasn't developed shit, running the same re-treads out over and over (See: Bornstein, Jonathan as prime example).

We agree a new coach isn't going to do it alone. That's why I think Jurgen is going to take over. US Soccer didn't want to give him full control of the program last time around, but I think they will now. US-under 20s sucked this past go around....I don't even think we qualified. Jurgen wants to have more control from the Academy level all the way up to the top. The lace of young talent that has come though can't be blamed on Bob though. I can't see how any national teams coach is able to develop players. They aren't together very long for that to happen. That's all on the players and their clubs to make that happen. One just has to look at the U.S. player's pool and what clubs they are on, compared to other countries, to realize just how little Bob had to work with.

Oh, and yes Bornstein sucked since the World Cup....I agree he messed up there.



The most exciting young player we have, Stu Holden was basically completely ignored by Bob until he went to Bolton, led the EPL in tackles and was voted to a handful of Midseason Best XI squads before his injury. We can't sit around and wait for clubs to identify and develop our future for us.Holden was getting minutes for the U.S. before he got DeJonged....I think there was a very good chance he would have seen significant playing time on the right in the World Cup. I like Holden, but let's see him play a full season at Bolton first.

[Spurologist]

About time Bradley GTFO. He was a decent coach but USA reached it's tactical and developmental plateau. Hints of nepotism out the door...etc etc....it had to be done.

Klinnsy no?

[FromWayDowntown]

I'd be pleased if Klinsmann is the choice. I still think, though, that changing the top man won't make much difference if MLS continues to be seen as a viable place for players in the national team pool to spend their club seasons. If Klinsmann or anyone else who might succeed Bradley means a change in philosophy in terms of player development -- both at the coaching level and at the federation level -- I think it's a very positive move.

Frankly, I think US Soccer is in desperate need of a de-Americanization for a period of time.

[scott]

I need a Jürgen T-shirt ASAP. Go ÜSMNT!!!

[MannyIsGod]

Its official - its Jurgen.

[scott]

it doesn't matter much, but....3 Gold Cups, Copa America, Conf. Cup, and World Cup.

Sorry, forgot about the Copa!

[MannyIsGod]

Pretty much a complete acknowledgement they made a mistake by giving Bradley a second contract. Jurgen has a good mindset that US Soccer needs badly which is mainly to revamp the entire system.

[cheguevara]

Klinsmann is as american as apple pie

[scott]

On the down side, we'll probably lose 6-0 to Mexico on the 10th, tbh

[MannyIsGod]

Fuck that friendly. So stupid to schedule it right after the GC.

[scott]

Ich bin bürnin' for Jürgen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Libri]

Sprechen sie Deutch?

[Sense]

On the down side, we'll probably lose 6-0 to Mexico on the 10th, tbh

I really don't think Mexico's going to win...

watch it be US 2 - 1 Mexico ..


and all the fans saying WE TOLD YOU IT WAS THE COACH. :wakeup

[Landon Donofag]

Why is everyone in love with Klinsmann? Klinsmann was the worst mistake in Bayern's modern history.
Hummels :(

Hope that he brings a good assistant coach with him. Klinsmann should just stop being a manager, he's shit. He's a more of a motivator than a Manager. If he gets someone like Löw as assistan coach and he does nothing but motivate the players like in 2006, it's not a terrible decision, not a very good one either.

[MannyIsGod]

I love how because the club disagreed with him and some players had problems even though he was a winning coach he's labeled as a huge mistake in BM's history. Not even close.

[MannyIsGod]

So, who's in and who's out? Out? Bornstien - THANK GOD. Probably never see another Ricardo Clark cap again. Ream will likely be a fixture in the back 4 now. We'll never see another call up of strikers like Robbie Findley and Robbie Rogers will never see another match either. You're going to see players who are technically good get more call ups and you'll see a far smaller reliance on pure physical attributes like speed. Torres will probably get more looks and it will be VERY interesting to see how he treats Bradley in the middle. I have to think that Mo Edu will actually start to get more run there and players like Sasha, Mix, and Bedoya will be mainstays. I do think players like Buddle and Gomez will have new life this cycle now although it wouldn't surprise me if he went with a youth movement either (BTW Mwanga needs citizenship like yesterday).

[ElNono]

Should've gone with Maradona, tbh..

Oh wait, he can't even get a visa to the US... :lol

[Spurologist]

Jose Francisco Torres is hosting a big ass party tonight. Somehow Gomez, Findley and Buddle AND BORNSTEIN won't receive invitations

[Libri]

Should've gone with Maradona, tbh..

Oh wait, he can't even get a visa to the US... :lol

Why is that? Is it because he's regarded as persona non grata?

[ElNono]

Why is that? Is it because he's regarded as persona non grata?

Supposedly it's because his past drug abuse. Not that he wants to come back here. He's a huge fan of Cuba.

[Libri]

Supposedly it's because his past drug abuse. Not that he wants to come back here. He's a huge fan of Cuba.

OK, I thought that maybe he had pissed on some US national landmark, a la Ozzy Osbourne and the Alamo.

[scott]

Good article on players who are likely helped/hurt by Klinsi's arrival as Savior in Chief.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/steve_davis/07/29/us.players.under.klinsmann/index.html

There is one name in there Manny is really going to hate.

[Spurologist]

Maybe Jurgen will call up Brad Rusin...6'4 defender with some apparent technical skills. He plays in the Norway top flight league. Check out this goal. I wouldn't mind seeing Ream and this guy as our centerbacks if he fits the bill.

PQhuF5Kzdiw

[scott]

Maybe Jurgen will call up Brad Rusin...6'4 defender with some apparent technical skills. He plays in the Norway top flight league. Check out this goal. I wouldn't mind seeing Ream and this guy as our centerbacks if he fits the bill.

PQhuF5Kzdiw

Nice... though I hope to never see our CB make a run like that.

[Sense]

Nice... though I hope to never see our CB make a run like that.

:lol

[scott]

Klinsi press conference happening now.

Live stream: http://www.ussoccer.com/Klinsmann-Live-Press-Conference.aspx

[scott]

Jurgen: "I don't think there is anything wrong with this team. We lost a Gold Cup final to a Mexico team who over the last few years has become one of the top 10 teams in the world."

Hopefully he was just being politically correct...

Most comments so far from Jurgen about Youth programs, he pretty much dodged the question about if he got the control that prevented him from taking job in the past - but Sunil made a comment along the lines of "we didn't do this deal on a handshake" which implies Jurgen got the contract he wanted.

[scott]

On the style of his team: "Input from the media, college coaches, youth coaches, players are all important."

[scott]

"Its going to be difficult to field a highly competitive team [against Mexico]"

[lefty]

Why is everyone in love with Klinsmann? Klinsmann was the worst mistake in Bayern's modern history.
Hummels :(

Hope that he brings a good assistant coach with him. Klinsmann should just stop being a manager, he's shit. He's a more of a motivator than a Manager. If he gets someone like Löw as assistan coach and he does nothing but motivate the players like in 2006, it's not a terrible decision, not a very good one either.
Jurgen is the one who wanted Joachim Low as Germany's head coach, and Low has done a great job

He is also a very good analyst

[Spurologist]

where can I see the presser?

[Sense]

Jurgen: "I don't think there is anything wrong with this team. We lost a Gold Cup final to a Mexico team who over the last few years has become one of the top 10 teams in the world."

Hopefully he was just being politically correct...



On what part? the "I don't think there is anything wrong with this team"?

Cuz he's wrong there :P

[DPG21920]

Great move regardless of how it works out. Bradley was done and the team had reached their ceiling with him. They needed to bring in a coach who was a great player and who could actually teach and garner respect. Hopefully the tight leash that American coaches have had on our boys will be loosened and they begin to learn how to play true soccer.

[scott]

On what part? the "I don't think there is anything wrong with this team"?

Cuz he's wrong there :P

Yes, that part. You ":P" but I am completely serious.

[Sense]

Yes, that part. You ":P" but I am completely serious.

I :P to everything tbh :P


The team needs fixing... I think their peek was reached around 07... and certain aspects of it have began to crumble, unless they find young guys ready to step up .. it's going to be a long couple of years for him.. and the fans.

[MannyIsGod]

We have guys capable of stepping up but they just need a better system.

:lmao @ Robbie Rogers in that article. Who wrote it, Robbie's mother? Dude's not getting another NT callup.

[MannyIsGod]

We have guys capable of stepping up but they just need a better system.

:lmao @ Robbie Rogers in that article. Who wrote it, Robbie's mother? Dude's not getting another NT callup.

[scott]

We have guys capable of stepping up but they just need a better system.

:lmao @ Robbie Rogers in that article. Who wrote it, Robbie's mother? Dude's not getting another NT callup.

Bet you he get's more callups under Jurgen than Buddle will.

[scott]

Jonathan Spector, not good enough to play for Bob Bradley in a Gold Cup tournament, just signed a 2-year deal with Birmingham.

Jonathan Bornstein still sits in a Mexican Cantina waiting for Tigres to add him to a game-day 18-man roster.

[Muser]

Jonathan Spector, not good enough to play for Bob Bradley in a Gold Cup tournament, just signed a 2-year deal with Birmingham.



:hungry:

[scott]

Muser, not sure how much you know about Spector. I like him, but more as a mid than a defender. He had some success with West Ham playing in the midfield last season.

[Libri]

@JozyAltidore17
Jozy Altidore
marca.com/2011/08/02/fut… make sure u guys check this vid out of juan pablo angel son Tomy. He better play for the US @Juanpabloangel !! lol

Link to video:
http://www.marca.com/2011/08/02/futbol/futbol_internacional/america/1312275259.html#comentarios

[scott]

Looks like he sucks at finishing, just like his dad.







:)

[Libri]

That kid is already better than Findley. lol

[MannyIsGod]

Bet you he get's more callups under Jurgen than Buddle will.

I'll take that bet

[MannyIsGod]

Can the Galaxy trade father for son please? Anything to get JPA off the field. You know its sad when I pray for the Galaxy to end up with Kenny Cooper.

[scott]

I'll take that bet

Don't think Jurgen sees much use for a guy with pretty much no shot at being a contributor in Brazil (Buddle). Rodgers doesn't have much of a shot either, but probably moreso than Buddle, only because he is young and could (theoretically) turn things around.

Then again, the relative weakness of both our wings and forwards could give both of these putzes a shot. tbh I think the best wing options we have for depth are wingbacks like Chandler, Spector and Lichaj.

[scott]

Manny, you really are gonna hate the Jurgen era:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/soccer-insider/post/juergen-klinsmann-takes-helm-of-us-national-soccer-team-for-american-midfielder-robbie-rogers-the-appointment-of-new-coach-stirs-memories/2011/07/29/gIQAED5KiI_blog.html#pagebreak

[scott]

Roster vs. Mexico comes out tomorrow. I predict a bunch of dudes we aren't very familiar with.

[Muser]

Muser, not sure how much you know about Spector. I like him, but more as a mid than a defender. He had some success with West Ham playing in the midfield last season.

With the little depth we have i'm really happy with the signing, especially as it was on a free transfer.

[Spurologist]

Roster to be released at 1pm on ussoccer today. According to twitter, Adu, Bill Hamid and Chandler have already been leaked and are to be on the roster.

[scott]

I predict Manny will be rather unhappy with this roster.

Hoping we see the name Danny Williams. Basically the LB version of Chandler from reports. Don't know if he has his passport though (another German born to a US serviceman)

[Spurologist]

Jurgen is perfectly suited to nag all potential German American footballers....namely Fabian Hürzeler, Daniel Williams and Fabian Johnson

[Spurologist]

Roster released.

http://www.ussoccer.com/News/Mens-National-Team/2011/08/Klinsmann-Calls-In-22-Players-to-Face-Mexico-on-Aug-10-in-Philadelphia.aspx

GOALKEEPERS (2): Bill Hamid (D.C.United), Tim Howard (Everton)

DEFENDERS (8): Carlos Bocanegra (Saint-Etienne), Edgar Castillo (Club America), Timmy Chandler (FC Nürnberg), Steve Cherundolo (Hannover 96), Clarence Goodson (Brondby), Michael Orozco Fiscal (San Luis), Heath Pearce (Chivas USA), Tim Ream (New York Red Bulls)

MIDFIELDERS (7): Kyle Beckerman (Real Salt Lake), Michael Bradley (Borussia Mönchengladbach), Ricardo Clark (Eintracht Frankfurt), Maurice Edu (Rangers), Jermaine Jones (Schalke 04), Brek Shea (FC Dallas), José Torres (Pachuca)

FORWARDS (5): Freddy Adu (Benfica), Juan Agudelo (New York Red Bulls), DaMarcus Beasley (Puebla), Edson Buddle (FC Ingolstadt), Landon Donovan (Los Angeles Galaxy)

[IronMaxipad]

GOALKEEPERS (2): Bill Hamid (D.C.United), Tim Howard (Everton)
DEFENDERS (8): Carlos Bocanegra (Saint-Etienne), Edgar Castillo (Club America), Timmy Chandler (FC Nürnberg), Steve Cherundolo (Hannover 96), Clarence Goodson (Brondby), Michael Orozco Fiscal (San Luis), Heath Pearce (Chivas USA), Tim Ream (New York Red Bulls)
MIDFIELDERS (7): Kyle Beckerman (Real Salt Lake), Michael Bradley (Borussia Mönchengladbach), Ricardo Clark (Eintracht Frankfurt), Maurice Edu (Rangers), Jermaine Jones (Schalke 04), Brek Shea (FC Dallas), José Torres (Pachuca)
FORWARDS (5): Freddy Adu (Benfica), Juan Agudelo (New York Red Bulls), DaMarcus Beasley (Puebla), Edson Buddle (FC Ingolstadt), Landon Donovan (Los Angeles Galaxy)

edit: beattt

[Libri]

Beasley??

[Spurologist]

The Bornstein era is DONE!

No Dempsey or Jozy probably because of club commitments or concerns.

I love all the new additions though. It looks like Castillo/Pearce/maybe Orozco will compete for the left back spot for now. Shea and Beckerman are completely deserving because of their form. Good to see Clark and Beasley back. Clark will be phased out when Holden gets completely healthy. Jose Torres was predictable for me.

[scott]

Happy to see Castillo get a call up. Don't know who Orozco Fiscal is, which makes me happy.
I'm immediately down 1-0 to Robbie Rodgers vs. Edson Buddle - doh! Interesting to see Adu and Donovan listed as forwards. Interesting to see Beasley and Clark on the roster period.

I'm hoping we'll see Holden on Sept. 6 vs. Belgium.

[Spurstro]

Happy to see Castillo get a call up. Don't know who Orozco Fiscal is, which makes me happy.
I'm immediately down 1-0 to Robbie Rodgers vs. Edson Buddle - doh! Interesting to see Adu and Donovan listed as forwards. Interesting to see Beasley and Clark on the roster period.

I'm hoping we'll see Holden on Sept. 6 vs. Belgium.

Orozco used to just be Orozco and not Orozco Fiscal...he played in the Olympics a few years back....I believe he got a red in the first 5 minutes of a game.

Holden just started training again...don't think he'll be ready in a month.

[Spurologist]

I just noticed that all the jews didn't make that roster...Bornstein, Feilhaber and Spector.

Heil Klinsmann!

[Spurstro]

Lol

[Sense]

Chandler hurt ?

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2011/08/04/american-exports-chandler-picks-knee-injury

[MannyIsGod]

Buddle!

[MannyIsGod]

So Chandler is too hurt to play for the US but he can play 90 minutes for his club? Shit is bullshit. Big time bullshit.

[scott]

I don't think it's bullshit, I think USSF just offered a shitty explanation. Chandler is fighting for a full-time starting spot with Nuerenburg, which is more important than playing in an August friendly versus Mexico. I think Timmy, the club and Juergen all probably agreed it wasn't the best time for a cross-atlantic trip for Timmy with the season just underway while his role isn't fully established (reports are the Timmy was one of the few players Juergen was unable to talk too before announcing the squad).

Now, if Timmy isn't capped against Belgium, it's time to fire up the conspiracy machine.

[scott]

And we have a tie game!!!

Robbie Rogers Added to U.S. Roster for Match Against Mexico on Aug. 10 in Philadelphia (http://www.ussoccer.com/News/Mens-National-Team/2011/08/Robbie-Rogers-Added-to-US-Roster-for-Match-Against-Mexico.aspx)

[MannyIsGod]

LOL

God damn it.

[MannyIsGod]

Great start for Jozy's dutch career

IflNR2R-k2A

[scott]

What's funny about that goal is you can see the moment in his head where he is thinking "Ugh, do I really want to exert the energy required to make this run?"

[Spurologist]

So Chandler is too hurt to play for the US but he can play 90 minutes for his club? Shit is bullshit. Big time bullshit.

Hopefully this makes you feel better. Chandler is just worried about his club situation. He has pretty given his word.

http://www.usfutblog.com/2011-articles/july/timothy-chandler-does-not-want-to-play-for-germany.html

[MannyIsGod]

I don't think he's going to go to Germany, but the whole he's hurt thing followed by 90 minutes for his club was just bullshit. Its annoying as hell.

BTW I think I posted that article before. :lol

[MannyIsGod]

Seeing reports that Adu might be headed to Chivas USA as a DP. If that happens it might be good for both him and Braun.

[scott]

My prediction:

The Bürnin' Jürgen Freddy Adü's 8, Mexico Nil.

Ocho a cero!!!

[Sense]

I actually predict the US winning this one... 2-1 or 2-0.


btw that prediction just made me wonder about the number of numbers you can type in spanish scott :lol

[scott]

!muchos poquitos!

[scott]

Did Rafa get called up for Mexico?

If he doesn't get sent off then he isn't deserving of the FIFA cover, thqh

[Sense]

Yes, he did.... on paper our defense should be fine, but you never know...

I'm worried our attacking though, not sure if Dos Santos can deliver... or Zinha.. not having Chicharito up front or De Nigris could end up being the difference maker... We'll see what the coaches end up doing, it seems chepo wants to give some playing time to some new guys up front, see if they can help if we end up missing Chicharito or De Nigris at other point in time.

[Bob Bradley]

Dos a Cero :cry :cry :cry :cry

[MannyIsGod]

I don't even care if we win, TBH. We won last week. :lol

I just want to see whats they're going to roll out as a lineup and how people play.

[scott]

USA lineup: Howard; Cherundolo, Orozco Fiscal, Bocanegra, Castillo; Jones, Beckerman; Donovan, Bradley, Torres; Buddle

[scott]

Boca Boca still sporting the captain armband

[scott]

Messico: (5-4-1): Ochoa; Torrado, Salcido, Marquez (c), Moreno, Juarez; Barrera, Castro, Naelson, Guardado; Peralta

[scott]

USA bench: Hamid, Loyd, Pearce, Clark, Rogers, Shea, Agudelo. Not on bench: Adu, Ream, Beasley.

[MannyIsGod]

US soccer account just tweeted its a 4-2-3-1 so then it must look like this

Dolo-Fiscal-Boca-Castillo

---Jones-Beckerman---
---------Bradley----------
Landon---------Torres
----------BUDDLE----------

[IronMaxipad]

Messico: (5-4-1): Ochoa; Torrado, Salcido, Marquez (c), Moreno, Juarez; Barrera, Castro, Naelson, Guardado; Peralta

Well, Mexico ain't scoring any goals with that lineup.

P:lolralta
Z:lolnha

[MannyIsGod]

Wonder whats up with Adu not on bench.

[IronMexican]

Touchdown!

[Libri]

Well, Mexico ain't scoring any goals with that lineup.

P:lolralta
Z:lolnha

I was expecting Arellano instead of Peralta.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm about 20 mins from home. Very very excited for this match.

[IronMaxipad]

I was expecting Arellano instead of Peralta.

Same. I was actually happy Arellano got called up. but Peralta is terrible.

And Chepo's love affair with Sinha.. wtf. :lol
Thank god he got suspended during the Gold cup or else Gio would've been on the bench.

[Sense]

Yeah tbh I was also pissed that he called up De Nigris, but he was a nice surprise... however, it was just the Gold Cup... I don't think he'll keep doing what he did... but yeah we ain't scoring shit.

[symple19]

Add me to those who are looking forward to this

[Spurologist]

WTF is ESPN2 doing by showing little baseball

[Bob Bradley]

WTF is ESPN2 doing by showing little baseball

It's starting on ESPNNEWS

[symple19]

WTF is ESPN2 doing by showing little baseball

really

[symple19]

oh, it goes to ESPN2 once the kiddies are done?

[Bob Bradley]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao Oribe Peralta

[MannyIsGod]

I'm getting kind of sick of Mexico making sick goals against us.

[symple19]

fuck

[MannyIsGod]

Not impressed at all with Castillo so far.

[symple19]

wtf....

shoulda been a card on dolo. what a dumbass

[Spurologist]

Not impressed at all with Castillo so far.

I feel the opposite. He's extremely nervous but I like what he provides. He is working hard...he'll settle in.

US needs more support for Buddle. Buddle is not an international player. We miss Jozy and Dempsey badly.

Not really much Buddle can do tbh. He doesn't really have a true center attacking midfielder. Bradley is not comfortable in that role....he constantly tracked back to help and there was nobody up front to create link up play.

Klinsmann really doesn't give a shit about this game. His first half experiment has failed

[MannyIsGod]

US looks pretty lost which is to be expected. I've enjoyed Torres so far and some of the individual play but they have no rhythm.

At some point I'd like the US to get a damn shot - much less once on goal.

[symple19]

Klinsmann really doesn't give a shit about this game. His first half experiment has failed

this

Buddle is fucking worthless and Bradley should never be in anything other than a defensive midfield role

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah its odd to me to see MB in that role and not Donovan or Adu. I expect to see Landon slide over to that spot in the 2nd half.

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah Buddle is worthless because the mids can't keep any possesion and build an attack. Fucking Buddle1

[IronMexican]

Someone needs to get a red card so Buddle can come in.

[MannyIsGod]

Rofl

[Spurologist]

I really can't blame Buddle. He's stuck on an island and has a totally defensive minded CAM Bradley to get him the ball

[Spurologist]

Someone needs to get a red card so Buddle can come in.

http://massmultiverse.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/not_sure_if_serious.jpg

[symple19]

castillo with a lazy ball, then stands around and watches as the US gets dispossessed.

I really hope Klinsman can teach the US to move without the ball. They need angles and movement, something I've always thought the US lags behind the soccer powers of the world in

[ALVAREZ6]

castillo with a lazy ball, then stands around and watches as the US gets dispossessed.

I really hope Klinsman can teach the US to move without the ball. They need angles and movement, something I've always thought the US lags behind the soccer powers of the world in

Jyes you are right.

[IronMexican]

http://massmultiverse.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/not_sure_if_serious.jpg

You forgot already? That was the highlight of the world cup thread.

[symple19]

I really can't blame Buddle. He's stuck on an island and has a totally defensive minded CAM Bradley to get him the ball

My problem with Buddle is that he's just not creative enough to play in that role. I won't argue that he doesn't have any help, he doesn't, but he has to find ways to make an impact none the less. Maybe some diagonal runs, maybe some extra pressure on the mexican defense, maybe even dropping back farther to make himself available.

Dude is standing around too much

[Spurologist]

:lol

got it. remember now....too tense about this game.

I need a drink

[MannyIsGod]

I'll agree that at this level I don't want to see Buddle alone up top.

[Spurologist]

Great activity from Shea and Agudelo. :tu

I like Klinsy's move to put Torres at CAM

[MannyIsGod]

Rofl robbie rogers fucking scores.

[MannyIsGod]

Man, I love love love Shea.

[Spurologist]

GOOOALLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rodgers of all people

[symple19]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Robbie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nice assist by shea

[MannyIsGod]

LOL FU Scott - *I* would have scored that fucking goal

[scott]

ROOOOOOOOBBIE ROGGGGEERRS **CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP**

crofl buddle

[MannyIsGod]

LOL I was so happy when I saw the ball across the goal then I was like NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO when I saw who it was to put it in.

[symple19]

LOL FU Scott - *I* would have scored that fucking goal

tell that to Clint ^


Agreed that Torres has made a big difference at CAM

[MannyIsGod]

LMAO man such bullshit. I'm cracking up.

[IronMexican]

I figured this game would be pretty boring and uneventful, but I never imagined this boring and uneventful. Mexico hasn't had many opportunities, if any. Even on their goal, this was super luck :lol

[symple19]

Ball should be at the spot

[Spurologist]

Ian Darke is a gem.....Harkes is fucking garbage

[MannyIsGod]

Ian Darke is a gem.....Harkes is fucking garbage

Ramos knows like 3 words in English but he's so much better.

[symple19]

'Arrogant prick' always comes to mind when Harkes is calling a game

[MannyIsGod]

Brek brek brek brek brek

[symple19]

Ramos knows like 3 words in English but he's so much better.

eh, eh, eh, jyes

[MannyIsGod]

Quite frankly the idea of having attacking MF/Withdrawn F combos of Dempsy, Shea, Landon, Torres, and Adu is quite exciting in this system.

[symple19]

Red

[symple19]

wtf, gmafb

[MannyIsGod]

'Arrogant prick' always comes to mind when Harkes is calling a game

He's fucking terrible and I honestly know of NO one that likes him. I'd much rather have Julie Foudy with Ian as they have good chemistry.

[Libri]

Should be a red on Torrado.

[Spurologist]

Bullshit call.....fuck you ref

denying 2 penaties and not giving a red there

[MannyIsGod]

LOL Ref. How is that not red?

BTW great run by Robbie and great ball from Juan.

[Spurologist]

damn rodgers looks hurt too

[symple19]

Bull fucking shit, that should have been red. Horrible

add in the no-call on Donovan and that's two the ref has blown

[scott]

Isn't that the definition of a red? Wow.

[Spurologist]

Orozco has been brilliant

[weebo]

does it really matter? when it comes to soccer/futbol the US can't and won't ever win shit

[symple19]

these glimpses of great play the US is showing really gets me fired up and excited for the future

[Spurologist]

the ref calls the game with 30 seconds left????

this really pisses me off

[scott]

America Wins World Cup, 1-1!!!

[MannyIsGod]

Man the Mexican league players that Jurgen called in did not dissapoint with the exception of Castillo's first half. I DO think that was mostly nerves though.

Brek man, fucking love that kid. Can't wait for the 2 friendlies next month.

Also, Beckerman has to get more looks too. He made Jones look flat out bad.

Jurgen era is off to a good start!

[scott]

How about Robbie Rogers drawing Red Cards (that for some reason aren't given)? HOW ABOUT THAT MANNY?!?!

[symple19]

Definitely happy with a draw here.

[MannyIsGod]

How about Robbie Rogers drawing Red Cards (that for some reason aren't given)? HOW ABOUT THAT MANNY?!?!

LOL Robbie's runs were definitely quality tonight. Benefited from having the AMAZING BREK SHEA on the field but as you pointed out - he didn't Wondo that shit.

Well done, Robbie!!!

[NASpurs]

:lmao

"Brought to you by Taco Bell"

http://i.imgur.com/tACC5.jpg

[Sense]

I'm impressed with Shea... he looks like your best striker already... Rogers tbh, got lucky with the both chances he had.. Torrado is awful... I was expecting a red card, the ref was horrible throughout the night.

[Sense]

I also have to rant... WTF IS HOBBIT DOING IN THERE?!

[MannyIsGod]

Jurgen makes me want to squeeze his cheeks. His enthusiasm is palpable and I LOVE it.

[Spurologist]

Notes:

-Jurgen has smiled more this game than Bradley's entire tenure as coach. It's good to see someone different at the touchline. His subs were on point too. Bradley reached his peak and did what he could.
-Beckerman was solid but will most likely be replaced by Holden in the future....OR Jones if he doesn't get his shit together
-Agudelo/Jozy up top will be very dangerous if Klinsy wants to have 2 strikers up top. Buddle just isn't international material
-Brek has surpassed all my expectations and he showed why Manchester United called him up for a trial
-Jose Torres @ CAM is unreal. He will dominate that CONCACAF. Castillo was beyond nervous. He settled in but some of his touches were a little off....solid job Dos Santos. He can actually use his speed unlike Bornstein. When he gets more comfortable, he will be blazing up the field with Chandler on the right wing.
-Torres and Orozco/Boca were my players of the game....extremely solid
-Harkes needs to be stopped immediately. ESPN should consider anyone else. ANYONE ELSE...........except Wynalda.

[symple19]

His enthusiasm is palpable and I LOVE it.

couldn't agree more. Arena and Bradley were both stonefaced all the time.

Haven't seen this much emotion from a US manager since Bora

[symple19]

Notes:

-Jurgen has smiled more this game than Bradley's entire tenure as coach. It's good to see someone different at the touchline. His subs were on point too. Bradley reached his peak and did what he could.
-Beckerman was solid but will most likely be replaced by Holden in the future....OR Jones if he doesn't get his shit together
-Agudelo/Jozy up top will be very dangerous if Klinsy wants to have 2 strikers up top. Buddle just isn't international material
-Brek has surpassed all my expectations and he showed why Manchester United called him up for a trial
-Jose Torres @ CAM is unreal. He will dominate that CONCACAF. Castillo was beyond nervous. He settled in but some of his touches were a little off....solid job Dos Santos. He can actually use his speed unlike Bornstein. When he gets more comfortable, he will be blazing up the field with Chandler on the right wing.
-Torres and Orozco/Boca were my players of the game....extremely solid
-Harkes needs to be stopped immediately. ESPN should consider anyone else. ANYONE ELSE...........except Wynalda.

I mostly agree with these points, but definitely want to see Freddy worked into the equation in the future

[MannyIsGod]

Harkes needs to go.

[MannyIsGod]

Also I really get tired of people saying the USMNT talent pool is weak. Look at what was on display tonight and how many of those players had no chance to play during Bradley's era. That fucker MADE the pool shallow.

[Spurologist]

America Wins World Cup, 1-1!!!

:lmao

When the NY Red Bulls won the Emirates Cup by tying Arsenal 1-1, I immediately thought of US-England and Spurstalk

[Girasuck]

Watching that match makes me hate Bob Bradley even more.

I really hope Beckerman gets another look. He's nothing but solid in everything he does. He's been that way for years now.

[Libri]

Notes:

-Jurgen has smiled more this game than Bradley's entire tenure as coach.

Bradley smiled?

[scott]

Allow me to be a little negative for a moment.

Buddle... horrible.

Agudelo, I'm really sick of watching you try too hard to go 1-on-1 and dribble into 3 guys and lose possession. Teamwork, kiddo.

Okay that's about it other than I don't like how passive we were for the first 35 minutes or so.

[MannyIsGod]

LOL

http://gif.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/KLINSMANNTANZ.gif.pagespeed.ce.8ysJTTkb-M.gif

[MannyIsGod]

Buddle wasn't horrible. That shit wasn't his fault at all. Haters!

Juan did piss me off taking too many touches though. Sometimes you should just pass or shoot. He's young though - that will come.

[scott]

Buddle wasn't horrible. That shit wasn't his fault at all. Haters!



Here is what Steve Davis (Sports Illustrated) had to say about Buddle tonight in his player ratings:



F, Edson Buddle, 3 -- Count him among the men for whom this was more or less an audition. Only, he didn't seem to get it. Klinsmann isn't just looking for technical ability; he's looking for desire and willingness to find a way. So Buddle, a lone striker, needed to fight more for balls nearby, maybe shake something loose off a turnover. He needed to make that extra run. Yes, he was stranded as that lone forward, with no natural connection to Jones, Torres or Donovan. Still, that's all the more reason to bust his butt every time a ball did come near.



Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/steve_davis/08/11/usa-mexico/index.html#ixzz1Uh1iGjTh

[scott]

Okay, I've watched the sequence that led to Rogers goal a bunch of times... how was Agudelo not called offsides on the throw in? Was there a Mexican player on the far side of the field keeping him on? I'm just not getting it.

[IronMaxipad]

Okay, I've watched the sequence that led to Rogers goal a bunch of times... how was Agudelo not called offsides on the throw in? Was there a Mexican player on the far side of the field keeping him on? I'm just not getting it.

You can't be called for offsides from a throw in.. lol

[scott]

You can't be called for offsides from a throw in.. lol

facepalm... had a brainfart there and was thinking freekick for some reason...

[MannyIsGod]

Okay, I've watched the sequence that led to Rogers goal a bunch of times... how was Agudelo not called offsides on the throw in? Was there a Mexican player on the far side of the field keeping him on? I'm just not getting it.

Facepalm x 1098409283209

Can't be OS on a throw or GK.

[Phenomanul]

Facepalm x 1098409283209

Can't be OS on a throw or GK.

GK as in a Goal Kick?

No offsides during throw-ins...
No offisdes in your half of the field...
No offsides during corner kicks (for obvious reasons)...

Offsides are called on players during goal kicks if they are on the opposing half of the field in an offsides position...

and

Offsides are also called during free kicks...

[symple19]

F, Edson Buddle, 3 -- Count him among the men for whom this was more or less an audition. Only, he didn't seem to get it. Klinsmann isn't just looking for technical ability; he's looking for desire and willingness to find a way. So Buddle, a lone striker, needed to fight more for balls nearby, maybe shake something loose off a turnover. He needed to make that extra run. Yes, he was stranded as that lone forward, with no natural connection to Jones, Torres or Donovan. Still, that's all the more reason to bust his butt every time a ball did come near.

this is roughly what I said during the match. Spot on

[ElNono]

GK as in a Goal Kick?

No offsides during throw-ins...
No offisdes in your half of the field...
No offsides during corner kicks (for obvious reasons)...

Offsides are called on players during goal kicks if they are on the opposing half of the field in an offsides position...

and

Offsides are also called during free kicks...

this.

Offsides are only valid on the opponent's pitch, no matter where the pass came from (GK, FK, regular in game play, etc). If a player is on it's own side when the pass is made, he's never offside.

[MannyIsGod]

99% sure that you're never OS during a GK and the half does not matter.

[scott]

Freddy signs with Philadelphia. I guess Chivas isn't interested in improving their squad, ever.

[MannyIsGod]

Chivas is actually playing fairly well this season and I don't understand them passing on Adu. Great news for the Union, IMO. Mawanga + Adu is a good combo up front.

[Libri]

I think the US players will have more fun playing under Klinsman. Bradley was a sargent.

[Spurologist]

Rangamerica!

Rangers have signed Bedoya and Bocanegra. It looks like both will be able to play in the Europa league along with Edu.

http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_by_ives/2011/08/bocanegra-joins-rangers.html

[Spurologist]

Bornstein --> Castillo --> Fabian Johnson

Another German - US international playing in the Bundesliga. Would be another upgrade at LB or attacking midfielder. This is just what I expected when Klinsi got the reigns. Holla at a playa when you see him on the street.

http://www.yanks-abroad.com/get.php?mode=content&id=8134

[MannyIsGod]

Jozy had a brace this weekend. Looking good so far!

[scott]

So the end of times may have arrived... Earthquakes on the east coast and in CO today... and Robbie Findley scored in the Carling Cup.

(Lichaj also scored for Aston Villa in the cup today)

[MannyIsGod]

Findlay scoring explains the quake. Jesus was so surprised he must have dropped something.

[scott]

10 days away from the Costa Rica game, so time to start speculating on call ups.

Apparently Rangers have made a comment that Edu, Boca and Bedoya are all being called up.

Ives has his predictions here: http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_by_ives/2011/08/who-should-the-usmnt-call-up-for-september-friendlies.html

I lol'ed at this in the comments section: "I've been informed that Timmy Chandler is expecting to be injured/fatigued/busy for the September friendlies."

Here is my prediction (I'll stick with 23):

G: Howard, Guzan, Yelldell
D: BocaBoca, Cherundolo, Goodson, Chandler, Lichaj, Orozco, Danny Williams, Omar Gonzalez
M: Lando, Deuce, Junior, Edu, Jones, Bedoya, Brek, DMB, Beckerman
F: Jozy, Agudelo, Herc

[scott]

Robbie Rogers v. Edson Buddle to stay in a 1-1 deadlock until January

[MannyIsGod]

I agree with your 23, actually. Maybe George John over someone at Def though.

[scott]

I left out John because as we saw with the last friendly, Jurgen is aware of sensitivity with a player just having joined a new club and supposedly John's transfer to EPL is almost done. I do want to see him in camp soon though esp since he is also eligible for Greece.

If the do call in John I'd sub him out for Williams, who was my long shot pick.

[Spurologist]

I'm not expecting but I hope Fabian Johnson gets a call up. I think Sasha and Mix might get a run.

Scott, you think Torres will be left out?

[scott]

In normal circumstances I would have picked Torres over Bedoya but with the reports already out that Bedoya is getting called up I went that route.

Actually I'd pick Torres over DMB and Beckerman also but DMB has shown good form of late in Mexico and I think Klinsi wants SOME vet presence... and Jurgen raved about Beckerman after the Mexico friendly so I picked him. If they go with 25-26 guys into camp I'd add Torres first then Robbie Rogers and maybe another striker option like Buddle or Corona before he totally goes to Mexico (apparently he's already decided on Mexico, maybe we can change his mind).

I would love to see Fabian get called up too... I just don't know how on the radar he is.

[MannyIsGod]

Roster is out and its craaaaaaaazy.

[MannyIsGod]

Definitely not crazy - actually. The intial USMNT tweet was all kinds of fucked up. I saw Forwards and then the name Johnson and no Agudelo, Jozy or Landon and was like WTF EDDIE JOHNSON.

DEFENDERS (9):Carlos Bocanegra (Rangers), Edgar Castillo (Club America), Timmy Chandler (FC Nürnberg), Steve Cherundolo (Hannover), Clarence Goodson (Brondby), Zach Loyd (FC Dallas), Michael
Orozco Fiscal (San Luis), Heath Pearce (Chivas USA), Tim Ream (New York Red Bulls)
MIDFIELDERS (9):Kyle Beckerman (Real Salt Lake), Clint Dempsey (Fulham), Maurice Edu (Rangers), Fabian Johnson (Hoffenheim), Sacha Kljestan (Anderlecht), Jeff Larentowicz (Colorado Rapids), Robbie Rogers (Columbus Crew), Brek Shea (FC Dallas), Jose Torres (Pachuca)
FORWARDS (4):Juan Agudelo (New York Red Bulls), Jozy Altidore (AZ Alkmaar), Teal Bunbury (Sporting Kansas City), Landon Donovan (Los Angeles Galaxy)

No Bradley. Guess Jr better find a fucking team quick.

[scott]

Interesting to not see Bradley there, but all of the players selected have been getting regular starts for their club, so it's an obvious message that he wants in-form players getting regular action. Here is Jurgen's quote on the exclusion of Junior, Germany Jones and Ricardo Clark:

“All three of these players are trying to sort out their club situations, and the deadline for transfers is a week away. They have also not been playing matches, so for these reasons we decided to select different players for this roster.”

Glad to see Fabian Johnson on the squad. Interesting to see him listed as a mid though (although I believe that is his natural position - we want to assume him as a LB option just because he CAN play LB). Also, Chandler better not have any excuses this time.

Only head scratcher to me is Bunbury since he has not been in great form.

And before I forget...

Robbie Rogers 2, Edson Buddle 1

[scott]

And of that squad, here is my guess at a best Starting XI

4-2-3-1:

-------------Howard-------------
--Dolo--Goodson--Boca--Orozco
------Edu--------Beckerman-----
-----Lando--Torres---Deuce-----
--------------Jozy----------------

I'd like to see Brek get the start, but don't know who he pushes out unless Landon starts at striker or we go 4-4-2 with Landon and Jozy then a MF of Deuce-Edu-Torres-Brek.

Would be nice to see Chandler start as well, but how can you bump Dolo from RB? He's been our best defender all year.

I'm guessing the Costa Rica game will see a stranger starting XI then our top XI for Belgium since that is the bigger test. I think Belgium is an up-and-coming team that will do well next year in the Euros

[MannyIsGod]

So, the defenders look fine. I still wonder why Pearce gets called up and not Omar Gonzales (or Loyd and not Franklin for that matter) but overall its good.

MF looks good (FU Scott)

Forwards look good but Bunbury over Gomez my biggest gripe on the roster. Herculez is in form like a mfer while Bunbury has been mediocre all season.

[scott]

I got Orozco and Castillo mixed up... in which case... that changes the backline options.

I don't want to see Castillo start at LB again, but Goodson-Boca is our best central defense combo. So we can kick Boca to LB and move Orozco inside, or maybe replace Orozco in my lineup with Zach Lloyd? Eeeeeh...

[scott]

Manny, tbh maybe Omar and Franklin just suck dick? Ever thought of that? There are other teams besides the Galaxy, Man City and whatever Russian team bandwagon you are going to join as soon as you figure out who has the most money.

[MannyIsGod]

If I had to guess on starting 11 I would actually see it like this

-----------Howard----------
-Dolo-Fiscal-Boca-Chandler-
--------Beckerman---------
Rogers--------------Shea--
----------Landon----------
------Dempsy-------------
--------------Jozy--------

[MannyIsGod]

Manny, tbh maybe Omar and Franklin just suck dick? Ever thought of that? There are other teams besides the Galaxy, Man City and whatever Russian team bandwagon you are going to join as soon as you figure out who has the most money.

Omar is the best CB in the MLS. Heath Pearce can't hold his jock. Franklin is the best RB in the league too and he's good enough to play mid as well. Watch a replay of the Dallas/LA game from a few weeks ago. Franklin destroyed Shea and I LOVE Brek Shea. There's a reason the Galaxy have the best D in the MLS.

[scott]

And amazingly... neither of them have ever gotten a serious look from Bradley or Jurgen. Certainly Jurgen has seen a lot of their games.

We'll see.

Also, I don't think Chandler is a LB option.

[scott]

And amazingly... neither of them have ever gotten a serious look from Bradley or Jurgen. Certainly Jurgen has seen a lot of their games.

We'll see.

Also, I don't think Chandler is a LB option.

[Spurologist]

Definitely not crazy - actually. The intial USMNT tweet was all kinds of fucked up. I saw Forwards and then the name Johnson and no Agudelo, Jozy or Landon and was like WTF EDDIE JOHNSON.

DEFENDERS (9):Carlos Bocanegra (Rangers), Edgar Castillo (Club America), Timmy Chandler (FC Nürnberg), Steve Cherundolo (Hannover), Clarence Goodson (Brondby), Zach Loyd (FC Dallas), Michael
Orozco Fiscal (San Luis), Heath Pearce (Chivas USA), Tim Ream (New York Red Bulls)
MIDFIELDERS (9):Kyle Beckerman (Real Salt Lake), Clint Dempsey (Fulham), Maurice Edu (Rangers), Fabian Johnson (Hoffenheim), Sacha Kljestan (Anderlecht), Jeff Larentowicz (Colorado Rapids), Robbie Rogers (Columbus Crew), Brek Shea (FC Dallas), Jose Torres (Pachuca)
FORWARDS (4):Juan Agudelo (New York Red Bulls), Jozy Altidore (AZ Alkmaar), Teal Bunbury (Sporting Kansas City), Landon Donovan (Los Angeles Galaxy)

No Bradley. Guess Jr better find a fucking team quick.

Klinsi pulls off more surprises. I like his exclusion of Jones, Bradley and Clark. How does Bedoya feel right about now. No one is talking about him. There were reports out of Rangers that Edu, Boca, and Bedoya will all make the US squad but Alejandro is the only one left off. OUCH.

Really excited about Fabian Johnson. I think he'll get a good run out there. I wouldn't even be surprised if he starts but the most likely event happening is him replacing Shea or whoever starts at left mid. The fact that Klinsi has him in midfield lets me think that it's Castillo's LB job to lose. Lloyd/Pearce are LB options too. The microscope on him just got bigger. My prediction is Johnson will replace Castillo even as early as the Belgian friendly.

Klinsi's pick IMO really boils down to club situations (Jones, Clark, John, Bradley, Lichaj is fighting for starting spot at Villa) and his pet players who can play his style (Rodgers, Bunbury, Ream). Pearce/Lloyd are simply experimental and to create competition for Castillo. It's a little concerning to me that Mixx hasn't been called but I think Sasha has played better and Larentowicz was chosen over him because Klinsi wants an extra DM with Bradley/Jones/Clark out. Now to Franklin. He's played well but I don't think he's Klinsi's type of player. His touch is suspect. The same goes for Bornstein, Findley, Wynne (extremely underrated in MLS IMO). Got me on Gonzalez...maybe Klinsi just doesn't like him. He should consider European offers next year if he's serious about US callups.

Looks like Joe Corona is lost after Mexico called him up for Mexico's U23 squad. The move still doesn't cap tie him to Mexico but his interview to ESPN Deportes was pretty telling.

Corona looks to be Mexico international (http://espndeportes.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nota/_/id/1363698/llega-joe-corona-al-tri-sub-22?campaign=rss&source=ESPNdeportesSECTION.LOSANGELESCITYSITE&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

My Spanish sucks but it sounds like his mind is made up. If he becomes great, the fire Klinsmann chants won't stop. I still cringe when I see Rossi tearing up La Liga.

Also, George John was in Greece getting his Greek ID that allows him to get automatic work permit for the Blackburn move. He had to be diplomatic about dispelling reports that he will only play for the US team. His agent is quoted as saying, ""George is extremely attracted to playing in Greece; he has a very serious interest in it,» Philipakos confirmed."

George John to Greece? (http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite5_1_23/08/2011_403260)

Just something to watch out for.

Really excited for the US vs. Costa Rica friendly.

[scott]

Hopefully Holden doesn't take too long to get healthy and back to form. While not the end of the world, these early times in the Jurgen era are formative. Then again, an in-form Holden might actually be our best player so maybe it's not a big deal.

Good analysis Spurologist

[MannyIsGod]

And amazingly... neither of them have ever gotten a serious look from Bradley or Jurgen. Certainly Jurgen has seen a lot of their games.

We'll see.

Also, I don't think Chandler is a LB option.

You're right about Chandler.

As far as Jurgen not calling up either of those two I'm pretty sure you can't read very much into it. I'm 95% sure Omar will get plenty of shots in this cycle and I think Franklin will get looks as well but he's the lower prospect of the two.

If you want to throw your hat in with Bradley's judgement in the back let me just throw one name at you so that you remember how great his judgement was. Bornstien.

Its pretty hard to argue about Omar being the best MLS CB right now. He's an excellent defender, he's improved a tremendous amount on the ball this season, and he's probably the best target on set pieces in the MLS as well. The reason so many Galaxy players have scored on headers this season is a combination of Gonzo in the box and of course Beck's great service. If Omar played for FC Dallas and not the Galaxy I promise you it would not be George John being sold to the EPL right now. For the Galaxy he's probably worth more as a player than for as a transfer fee.

[MannyIsGod]

Franklin definitely doesn't have an amazing touch but he's so damn fast, has great defense, so its odd to me. Its not THAT big of a deal with him because we have Chandler, Churundolo and Lichaj back there on the right but I'd rather see Franklin in a RMF spot than Rogers and with the players that he called up I do think Rogers is the best option to start on the wing.

I think once Holden gets back you will likely see a middle triangle with Holden up front and 2 holding/defensive mids. Beckerman, Edu, Jones, and Bradley give you good options for those 2 spots.

I think - and I really hope this is correct - but that Jurgen is going to play Demps and Donovan in a central role more as withdrawn strikers than out on the wing. Landon does not belong on the god damn sides and its aggrevating to see both Arena and Bradley try to pigeonhole not only he but Dempsy on the opposite side there. Give those guys freedom around the center of the pitch and you'll see great things.

[MannyIsGod]

Oh man - I didn't even think about it but Chandler's probably more of an option to start at RMF than Rogers.

[Spurologist]

If Klinsi wants an all out attack, he'll go with a 4-3-3. I'd love to see it.

--Dempsey--------Altidore-----------Donovan
--Shea-------------Edu-------------Chandler
--Johnson--Boca--Orozco/Goodson--Cherundolo

[MannyIsGod]

I think a 4-3-3 is a serious possibility.

Omar just showed why Jurgen should give him a call, btw.

[Spurologist]

:lol

was waiting for the Omar post....great goal...dude is physical

[MannyIsGod]

:lol You knew shit was coming once he put it in the net like that. That was a man's goal. I know Scott thinks I just want these players called up because they're Galaxy players but anyone who watches the games knows that they are deserving; especially Omar.

The Galaxy are fucking stacked. A little less depth now that Berhalter just broke his foot but they really should run the table on the supporters shield and MLS cup. They def have the best shot out of American teams for the CCL.

[scott]

Any retard can score goals when you have Beckham feeding you. See: Buddle, Edson

[Libri]

Barrett scores

LA 2
LDA 0

[The_Worlds_finest]

If we lose Joe Corona that would suck! He is badass! We need to pool our money and provide an incentive to play here!

[MannyIsGod]

Man Jozy is beasting.

[The_Worlds_finest]

Man Jozy is beasting.

JK must be taking note and excited to see what he can do against CR next week.

I could easily see JA not giving a shit when Bob "talent black hole" Bradley was at the helm.


mcGA2W4d5_E
height of the black hole's career?

[MannyIsGod]

um, spain?

[Spurologist]

George John on the way back to FC Dallas. WTF? :wtf

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2011/08/28/fcd-defender-george-johns-move-blackburn-called

Heath Pearce looks injured for camp. JK can call John to replace him

[The_Worlds_finest]

i cant go with spain cause it was total luck bullshit that they actually got to play spain. Top it off it was only followed up but another typical black hole collapse where usa was up 2-0 vs brazil and ended up losing 3-2. Shit even vs ghana the black hole fucked up, choking away a win. btw Hindsight is an exact science. just some idle meddling, while i wait for costa rica and belgium

[MannyIsGod]

George John on the way back to FC Dallas. WTF? :wtf

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2011/08/28/fcd-defender-george-johns-move-blackburn-called

Heath Pearce looks injured for camp. JK can call John to replace him

Yeah Blackburn renigged. Pretty shitty, IMO.

[MannyIsGod]

Holden coming back to a reserve game tonight. Thats a great sign.

[scott]

Great news about Stu.

Grant Wahl reporting Junior is headed to Chievo. No Americans have played in Serie A since Alexi. Time to become a Flying Donkey's fan.

[scott]

Pearce, Lloyd out for these matches. Pontius, Spector in.

Dempsey won't join team until Belgium.

[scott]

Jurgen confirms Martin Vasquez will be right hand man and #1 assistant, but neither will coach the Olympic team.

[Spurologist]

Great news about Stu.

Grant Wahl reporting Junior is headed to Chievo. No Americans have played in Serie A since Alexi. Time to become a Flying Donkey's fan.

That's the greatest oxymoron in soccer. The team could either be flying or playing like straight ass. OR there could be just a lot of flying donkeys on the field.

[MannyIsGod]

We have a lot of youth for that Olympic team. It should be a fun one to watch.

[The_Worlds_finest]

CHICAGO -- Clint Dempsey will not join the U.S. national team for its exhibition game Friday against Costa Rica.

U.S. Soccer says Dempsey, a midfielder for Fulham of the English Premier League, will stay in London to get treatment for back spasms. He will join the Americans on Sunday ahead of their match Sept. 6 in Brussels against Belgium.

U.S. coach Jurgen Klinsmann also added Chris Pontius and Jonathan Spector to the roster Monday for the Costa Rica match in Carson, Calif. They'll replace Zach Loyd and Heath Pearce, both nursing hamstring injuries.

In other developments Monday, German-born midfielder Fabian Johnson will not make his international U.S. debut during the friendlies because he has yet to receive his clearance from FIFA.

Prior to being called up by new Klinsmann, Johnson -- who holds dual U.S. and German citizenship -- had previously represented Germany at the youth and Under-21 levels. Since Johnson has not yet completed his one-time switch procedure between the U.S. and Germany, he will be unable to participate in the matches.

Johnson will still train with the team in California ahead of the match against Costa Rica in Carson, Calif., on Friday, and then travel with the team to Brussels as they prepare for their Sept. 6 match against Belgium.

[The_Worlds_finest]

Manny Scott you have any info on this kraut who wants to defect to join the us evil Americans?

[robino2001]

U.S. coach Jurgen Klinsmann also added Chris Pontius and Jonathan Spector to the roster Monday for the Costa Rica match in Carson, Calif. They'll replace Zach Loyd and Heath Pearce, both nursing hamstring injuries.
Party boy?!?
http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://stupidcelebrities.net/wp-content/2011/03/Chris-Pontius-aka-Party-Boy-photos.jpg&sa=X&ei=KCZdTr-OLq-KsAKiuPkM&ved=0CAUQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNE7StqOYl6kn7tPOWPQi3FIpJHclw

[MannyIsGod]

I know pretty much nothing about Fabian Johnson, TBH.

So, Dempsey rumored to the Gunners?!?!?!! That would suck for Demps LOL.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm super excited for Friday and Tuesday. Can't wait!

[The_Worlds_finest]

I'm super excited for Friday and Tuesday. Can't wait!

+1

Manny, Villyan Bijev signed with liverpool, is this the first american striker to play for a top epl team?

[MannyIsGod]

He hasn't played for a top EPL team.