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DarrinS
06-30-2010, 12:19 PM
70 Days Later, Obama accepts international assistance for Gulf spill

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/US-accepts-international-apf-4104246595.html?x=0&.v=2





WASHINGTON (AP) -- The United States is accepting help from 12 countries and international organizations in dealing with the massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

The State Department said in a statement Tuesday that the U.S. is working out the particulars of the help that's been accepted.

The identities of all 12 countries and international organizations were not immediately announced. One country was cited in the State Department statement -- Japan, which is providing two high-speed skimmers and fire containment boom.

More than 30 countries and international organizations have offered to help with the spill. The State Department hasn't indicated why some offers have been accepted and others have not

George Gervin's Afro
06-30-2010, 12:22 PM
70 Days Later, Obama accepts international assistance for Gulf spill

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/US-accepts-international-apf-4104246595.html?x=0&.v=2

How many ships are invloved in the clean up now?

Veterinarian
06-30-2010, 12:24 PM
:lmao railing at someone's ability to ignore international opinion and then comparing that person to W.

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao
:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

W's autobiography should be entitled "How to ignore foreign opinion and how."

ChumpDumper
06-30-2010, 12:24 PM
They were already there. For weeks.

You didn't know this, Darrin?

Were you vacationing in Phoenix, Nevada?

George Gervin's Afro
06-30-2010, 12:33 PM
How many ships are invloved in the clean up now?

over 5,900..bet you didn't know that..

clambake
06-30-2010, 12:36 PM
auto parts ha ha

Wild Cobra
06-30-2010, 12:58 PM
How many ships are invloved in the clean up now?
Probably plenty once they get there.

How many days does it take for them to travel that far?

the no-brainer and correct response would have been to accept the help when it was offered. They would have been there already, possibly stopping much of the damage to the mainland.

For these delays, we can blame president Obama for much of the damage.

ChumpDumper
06-30-2010, 01:04 PM
Probably plenty once they get there.

How many days does it take for them to travel that far?

the no-brainer and correct response would have been to accept the help when it was offered. They would have been there already, possibly stopping much of the damage to the mainland.

For these delays, we can blame president Obama for much of the damage.How much damage?

Where?

How many boats are needed in your estimation?

George Gervin's Afro
06-30-2010, 01:13 PM
Probably plenty once they get there.

How many days does it take for them to travel that far?

the no-brainer and correct response would have been to accept the help when it was offered. They would have been there already, possibly stopping much of the damage to the mainland.

For these delays, we can blame president Obama for much of the damage.

5,900 ships are already there.. did you know that?

Wild Cobra
06-30-2010, 01:17 PM
5,900 ships are already there.. did you know that?
Most with low tech solutions. The ships coming have far better technology for dealing with this issues.

Stringer_Bell
06-30-2010, 01:18 PM
Does anyone think there was any potential for a security threat or breach by allowing multiple foreign nations to operate near the gulf? I'm not saying spies are involved, but in terms of liability and stuff. I'm just throwing in ideas yo.

Veterinarian
06-30-2010, 01:18 PM
the no-brainer and correct response would have been to accept the help when it was offered.

tbh I'm surprised he didn't. Completely ignoring the ideas, opinions, and offers of foreign countries has always seemed like Republican territory tbh. Not even trolling with that statement. Conservatives have always admittedly hated foreign involvement in American affairs. Of course now they'll rail against Obama for the same thought process. :downspin:

George Gervin's Afro
06-30-2010, 01:24 PM
Most with low tech solutions. The ships coming have far better technology for dealing with this issues.

So Obama has been doing something about it..

Wild Cobra
06-30-2010, 01:25 PM
Conservatives have always admittedly hated foreign involvement in American affairs. Of course now they'll rail against Obama for the same thought process. :downspin:
I honestly don't think any of the past several presidents would have turned down such aide. I see this as a "holier than thou" attitude or worse yet, not letting a disaster go to waste for political purposes. Not wanting help, to insure it was a problem to be solved by him.

I see it at best, he's just a dumb-fuck. At worse, he is evil... willing to allow destruction for personal gain.

George Gervin's Afro
06-30-2010, 01:25 PM
Does anyone think there was any potential for a security threat or breach by allowing multiple foreign nations to operate near the gulf? I'm not saying spies are involved, but in terms of liability and stuff. I'm just throwing in ideas yo.

No Stringer according to the Obama haters you let anyone with a skimmer into US territory.. of course it would be Obama's faulkt if something went wrong so either way the Obama haters can find him at fault. neat isn't it?

Wild Cobra
06-30-2010, 01:25 PM
So Obama has been doing something about it..
Enough to say so politically. No real solutions.

George Gervin's Afro
06-30-2010, 01:27 PM
Enough to say so politically. No real solutions.

So basically there is nothing he can do to make you happy..

Wild Cobra
06-30-2010, 01:32 PM
No Stringer according to the Obama haters you let anyone with a skimmer into US territory.. of course it would be Obama's faulkt if something went wrong so either way the Obama haters can find him at fault. neat isn't it?
No, that double-sided attitude is how you liberals think. Not us conservatives.

Wild Cobra
06-30-2010, 01:36 PM
So basically there is nothing he can do to make you happy..
As long as he makes decisions by political calculation. No. I see him as both incompetent as a leader, and a power hungry socialist.

On the bright side, I'm happy he is such an incompetent leader. If he was like president Clinton in his leadership capability, I would truly worry for the damage done by this administration to our country. Since he is so incompetent, I still have hope.

George Gervin's Afro
06-30-2010, 01:40 PM
As long as he makes decisions by political calculation. No. I see him as both incompetent as a leader, and a power hungry socialist.

On the bright side, I'm happy he is such an incompetent leader. If he was like president Clinton in his leadership capability, I would truly worry for the damage done by this administration to our country. Since he is so incompetent, I still have hope.

yet you have nothing to prove any of what you say... do you have any proof that he is making decisions based on political calculations..

If he isn't making his decisions as you claim only proves that you are a hack and completely wrong.. so without poroof you're wrong and look stupid.:lmao

Wild Cobra
06-30-2010, 01:44 PM
yet you have nothing to prove any of what you say... do you have any proof that he is making decisions based on political calculations..

If he isn't making his decisions as you claim only proves that you are a hack and completely wrong.. so without poroof you're wrong and look stupid.:lmao
Please stop being stupid. I'll bet everyone else sees that as my opinion. Must I link my opinion somehow?

George Gervin's Afro
06-30-2010, 01:48 PM
Please stop being stupid. I'll bet everyone else sees that as my opinion. Must I link my opinion somehow?

An opinion based on non facts is not considered an educated opinion..

Wild Cobra
06-30-2010, 01:51 PM
An opinion based on non facts is not considered an educated opinion..
I base it on the facts I see and understand. There is no way I will attempt to link all things I consider right or wrong about him. I think your attempt to say my opinion has no basis is utterly moronic.

George Gervin's Afro
06-30-2010, 01:58 PM
I base it on the facts I see and understand. There is no way I will attempt to link all things I consider right or wrong about him. I think your attempt to say my opinion has no basis is utterly moronic.


I see it at best, he's just a dumb-fuck. At worse, he is evil... willing to allow destruction for personal gain.

like these facts?..:lmao

Wild Cobra
06-30-2010, 02:11 PM
like these facts?..:lmao
Doesn't "I see it" mean an opinion to you?

Get the fuck off my case over such trivial stuff. I expect Chump to harass people, are you wanting to join that small group?

George Gervin's Afro
06-30-2010, 02:14 PM
Doesn't "I see it" mean an opinion to you?

Get the fuck off my case over such trivial stuff. I expect Chump to harass people, are you wanting to join that small group?

It doesn't make it true..

Wild Cobra
06-30-2010, 02:23 PM
It doesn't make it true..

How in hell do you take my stated opinion as the facts?

God, you are so damn stupid. I never said it was fact!

Wild Cobra
06-30-2010, 04:03 PM
Does anyone think there was any potential for a security threat or breach by allowing multiple foreign nations to operate near the gulf? I'm not saying spies are involved, but in terms of liability and stuff. I'm just throwing in ideas yo.
No. Liability is already a factor, and we shouldn't worry about potential greater liability when the results should create less liability.

Less damage = less liability.

EmptyMan
07-01-2010, 07:39 AM
lmao

Chump can't just admit Obama is worthless in this area. Instead he does a popquiz to prove WC can't answer how many blue-beaked pelicans in the southern region of cajun bayou have suffered from the oil spill due to the absence of foreign aid.

George Gervin's Afro
07-01-2010, 08:51 AM
lmao

Chump can't just admit Obama is worthless in this area. Instead he does a popquiz to prove WC can't answer how many blue-beaked pelicans in the southern region of cajun bayou have suffered from the oil spill due to the absence of foreign aid.

So let's tally the score, Obama ,nor anyone else in the world, can stop the leak. Strike one. Obama leaves it up to BP to verify the leak parameters. BP was wrong BP has tried and and failed on trying to stop the leak. Strike two. There are over 25,000 people working through BP alone cleaning up the beaches. There are close to 6 thousand vessels currently in the Gulf cleaning and containing ther slick. Strike three.


yet it's obama who's worthless


and you sissies are still complaing about 13 Dutch ships...


Again, I wonder where all of this 'attentiveness' was when we went to war on' dubious' information...


yet the same people who have had their head in the sand about the war are now calling Obama worthless...:rolleyes

DarrinS
07-01-2010, 09:50 AM
In his defense, his schedule was jam-packed

http://knowledgecreatespower.blogspot.com/2010/06/obama-during-oil-spill-golf-parties.html




Day 1 - April 20
Explosion in Gulf


Obama returns from L.A. - fundraising for Barb Boxer


DAY 2 - April 21
Obama attends reception for G-20 Labor Ministers


DAY 3 - April 22
Obama hosts Rose Garden reception to honor Earth Day


Obama flies to NYC to push Wall St bill


DAY 4 - April 23
Hey, let’s go on vacation to Asheville, North Carolina!


Lunch at Twelve Bones for ribs and mac & cheese


No worries! How about a mountain hike?


Obama squeezes in a round of golf!


DAY 5 - April 24
Let’s go golfing again - at Grove Park Inn GC


A nice gourmet dinner at the Biltmore!


DAY 6 - April 25
A scrumptious brunch at Grove Park Resort


DAY 7 - April 26
Obama hosts NY Yankees for White House event


DAY 8 - April 27
Obama visits Iowa for rhubarb pie at Jerry’s Diner


DAY 9 - April 28
Obama flies to Missouri for lunch at Peggy Sue’s Diner


DAY 10 - April 29
Obama attends DNC fundraiser at swank DC residence


DAY 11 - April 30
Obama flies to MD to view Secret Service binoculars


DAY 12 - May 1
Obama joins Leno for comedy routine at WHCD


DAY 13 - May 2
Obama finally visits Lousiana


DAY 14 - May 3
Obama hosts the Navy football team


DAY 15 - May 4
Obama private lunch with Nobel laureate Elie Wiesel


DAY 16 - May 5
Obama hosts Cinco De Mayo party at White House


DAY 17 - May 6
Just chillin’. Summers gives updates on economy


DAY 18 - May 7
Wizbangs give Rose Garden speech on ‘economy’


DAY 19 - May 8
Obama hits links at Ft Belvoir


Dining out at ritzy DC restaurant - Komi!


DAY 20 - May 9
Obama gives commencement speech at Hampton U.


DAY 21 - May 10
Hey, during a crisis, let’s pick a SCJ!


DAY 22 - May 11
Private (golf?) lunch with Joe Biden


DAY 23 - May 12
Obama hosts private reception for President Karzai


DAY 24 - May 13
Obama flies to Buffalo for Duff’s hot wings


DAY 25 - May 14
Obama finally makes speech on oil spill in Rose Garden


DAY 26 - May 15
Enough of the oil spill stuff- Obama off to golf!


DAY 27 - May 16
Obama golfs (again!) at Fort Belvoir


DAY 28 - May 17
Obama hosts UConn women’s basketball


DAY 29 - May 18
Obama tours plant in ‘Ohio’ (um, oil spill’s in LA!)


DAY 30 - May 19
Obama hosts glitzy state dinner for Calderon


Dancing the night away!


DAY 31 - May 20
Obama meets with Bono for some reason



DAY 32 - May 21
Obama Rose Garden speech on- Wall St reform


DAY 33 - May 22
Obama goes golfing again at Andrews Air Force base


DAY 34 - May 23
Obama discusses basketball with Marv Albert


DAY 35 - May 24
Obama hosts Asian American celebration


DAY 36 - May 25
Obama flies to San Fran to party with Getty Oil family



-And raise millions for Barbara Boxer


DAY 37 - May 26
Obama spends day 2 in CA - with fellow economic wiz


DAY 38 - May 27
Obama welcomes the Duke Blue Devils


Obama, Clinton hang with the U.S. World Cup team


Obama hosts party for Jewish Americans


Obama family heads off for a weekend vacation


DAY 39 - MAY 28
Obamas back in Chicago for weekend vacation


-Obama interrupts vaca for some PR


DAY 40 - MAY 29
Obama leaving U Chicago after some basketball-


-The Obamas heading out for an evening of barbecue


DAY 41 - MAY 30
After a night of barbecue and beers, let’s hit the gym!


DAY 44 - JUNE 02 - McCartney at WH Bash.. Bashes Bush..

George Gervin's Afro
07-01-2010, 10:14 AM
In his defense, his schedule was jam-packed

http://knowledgecreatespower.blogspot.com/2010/06/obama-during-oil-spill-golf-parties.html

yet another darrins post that contains zero analytical attributes..I guess it's much easier for him to not think... I guess we can be greatful you didn't post a naked youtube video..:lmao

Mr. Peabody
07-01-2010, 10:43 AM
70 Days Later, Obama accepts international assistance for Gulf spill


I realize this doesn't fit the narrative your trying to portray, but we've been getting international assistance for quite a while now.


U.S. says accepting foreign help with Gulf oil spill
Wednesday, June 30 02:51 am

The United States will accept offers from a dozen countries and international agencies to help contain and clean up the BP Plc oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, the State Department said on Tuesday. Skip related content

"The United States will accept 22 offers of assistance from 12 countries and international bodies, including two high-speed skimmers and fire containment boom from Japan," the U.S. State Department said in a statement.

The United States has already accepted offers of assistance from the Netherlands and Norway, among others. It is also considering offers from countries as diverse as China, Kenya and Vietnam.

Overall, 27 countries have offered assistance ranging from vessels and dispersant, to fire boom and technical personnel. In most cases reimbursement would be required.

"To be clear, the acceptance of international assistance we announced today did not mean to imply that international help was arriving only now," State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said in an e-mail.

"In fact, before today, there were 24 foreign vessels operating in the region and nine countries had provided boom, skimmers and other assistance. As early as May 11th boom arrived from Mexico, Norway and Brazil."

The following link has details of what each country has offered: http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/143488.pdf

(Reporting by Ros Krasny; editing by Chris Wilson)

Also, there may be issues as to what type of assistance is being offered and whether it is needed or is merely duplicative of what we already have available -



Q&A: Did U.S. reject foreign help on gulf oil spill cleanup?
What role does a maritime law play in criticisms that the Obama administration initially refused offers from the Netherlands?
June 25, 2010|By Kathleen Hennessey, Tribune Washington bureau


. . . .

Why did it take more than three weeks to buy the Dutch skimmers?

U.S. officials did not directly answer this question. A State Department spokesman suggested that the nature of the offer and bureaucratic requirements might have something to do with it.

The Dutch offer, like most offers of foreign assistance, was to sell supplies, State Department spokesman Philip J. Crowley told reporters. "And in determining whether to accept these offers, we look at the availability of domestic sources and also compare pricing on the open market. So that may be one of the reasons why, in some cases, we've been able to accept these offers and pursued them," he said.

George Gervin's Afro
07-01-2010, 11:49 AM
I realize this doesn't fit the narrative your trying to portray, but we've been getting international assistance for quite a while now.



Also, there may be issues as to what type of assistance is being offered and whether it is needed or is merely duplicative of what we already have available -

Darrins didn't realize that there were over 5,900 vessels operating now in the gulf.. I wonder why the sources he uses to bash obama don't mention that. An oversight I'm sure..:rolleyes

George Gervin's Afro
07-01-2010, 11:57 AM
Probably plenty once they get there.

How many days does it take for them to travel that far?

the no-brainer and correct response would have been to accept the help when it was offered. They would have been there already, possibly stopping much of the damage to the mainland.

For these delays, we can blame president Obama for much of the damage.



Wild Cobra-I do well with my gut feelings at times, and understand propaganda.

Wild Cobra
07-01-2010, 12:06 PM
LOL....

George...

Is you butt still so sore you have to attack me for anything?

Didn't know you cared, but I'm not interested.

boutons_deux
07-01-2010, 12:08 PM
"Totally not true," said Mark Ruge, counsel to the Maritime Cabotage Task Force, a coalition of U.S. shipbuilders, operators and labor unions. "It is simply an urban myth that the Jones Act is the problem."

In a news briefing last week, Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen said he'd received "no requests for Jones Act waivers" from foreign vessels or countries. "If the vessels are operating outside state waters, which is three miles and beyond, they don't require a waiver," he said.

....

FactCheck.org, a nonprofit website operated by the University of Pennsylvania's Annenberg Public Policy Center, analyzed claims that failure to waive the Jones Act is blocking foreign-flagged vessels from assisting in the Gulf. It concluded last week that "In reality, the Jones Act has yet to be an issue in the response efforts."

The Deepwater Horizon response team reported in a news release June 15 that 15 foreign-flagged ships were participating in the oil spill cleanup, FactCheck.org said. "None of them needed a waiver because the Jones Act does not apply," it said.

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0701/gop-oversight-urban-myth/

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The country is in corporate-caused economic and environmental catastrophe, and what are the Repugs doing about it? Playing dirty, slanderous, rabble-rousing, destructive, obstructive, polarizing get-that-nigga-out-of-the-White-House all-politics-all-the-time.

The Repugs are defending the persecuted, defenseless corporations while defunding the lazy, parasitic long-term unemployed.

The Repugs are as detached, remoted, aloof from "Real Americans" as their owners on Wall St are detached from Main St.

George Gervin's Afro
07-01-2010, 12:13 PM
LOL....

George...

Is you butt still so sore you have to attack me for anything?

Didn't know you cared, but I'm not interested.


Wild Cobra-I do well with my gut feelings at times, and understand propaganda.

I think it's funny that you buy into all right wing propoganda..

DarrinS
07-01-2010, 12:28 PM
Anyone actually read this document?

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/143488.pdf

Wild Cobra
07-01-2010, 12:44 PM
Anyone actually read this document?

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/143488.pdf
Yes, what's your point? Seems pretty clear. Offers of assistance, with the important ones "under consideration," possibly meaning "dammit, we already said NO, but cannot admit to that."

Is that your point?

boutons_deux
07-01-2010, 01:24 PM
Louisiana Governor Seals Oil-Spill Records

By JOHN COLLINS RUDOLF

For more than two months, Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana has made it clear that he considers the response of the federal government and BP to the gulf oil leak a failure on many fronts.

But elected officials in Louisiana and members of the public seeking details on how Mr. Jindal and his administration fared in their own response to the disaster are out of luck: late last week the governor vetoed an amendment to a state bill that would have made public all records from his office related to the oil spill.

The measure was proposed by Senator Robert Adley, a Republican, and easily passed the Democrat-controlled Legislature. He told the Associated Press that the veto was a “black eye” on the state. “This governor has opposed transparency for the three years he’s been in office,” he said.

In his veto letter, the governor asserted that opening the records could give BP and other companies involved in the Deepwater Horizon blowout an advantage in future litigation over damages to the state.

“Such access could impair the state’s legal position both in responding to the disaster that is unfolding and in seeking remedies for economic injury and natural resource damage,” Mr. Jindal wrote.

But Zygmunt Plater, a law professor at Boston College who served as chairman of an Alaskan legal task force after the Exxon Valdez spill in 1989, called the governor’s legal rationale flawed, particularly in regard to tallying environmental damage.

“It’s extremely difficult for me to see why natural resource claims would be at all compromised,” he said. “The natural resource damages part of that makes no sense to me.”

Mr. Plater said that the governor’s broader argument, that opening the records could give BP a legal advantage during future litigation, was also illogical. Any documents relevant to such litigation would have to be disclosed during the discovery process, he said.

“In the long-term, anything that’s relevant to a legal action by the state is going to be discoverable. It’s going to be revealed in open court,” he said.

Louisiana has an open records law, but it does not apply to records in the custody of the governor’s office.

http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/30/a-governor-seals-oil-spill-records/?pagemode=print

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This secrecy action comes after another article, tha I'm looking for now, said macaca's/LA's plans for and what it was actually doing and saying were VERY different

stay tuned ...

boutons_deux
07-01-2010, 01:38 PM
Louisiana Wants U.S. Help, and Its Own Way

By CAMPBELL ROBERTSON and JOHN COLLINS RUDOLF

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/06/26/us/26JINDAL1_span/JP-JINDAL-1-articleLarge.jpg


NEW ORLEANS — For weeks, Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana has attacked BP and the Coast Guard for not having adequate plans and resources to battle the oil spill.

But interviews with more than two dozen state and federal officials and experts suggest that Louisiana, from the earliest days of the spill in the Gulf of Mexico, has often disregarded its own plans and experts in favor of large-scale proposals that many say would probably have had limited effectiveness and could have even hampered the response.

The state’s approach has also at times appeared divided: while some state officials work alongside the Coast Guard and BP every day, others, including the governor, have championed a go-it-alone approach.

Such a stance is popular in a place justifiably skeptical of federal disaster response after Hurricane Katrina. The federal response, at times slow and disorganized, has been a matter of grave concern to this state, with its fragile and complicated coastline.

Mr. Jindal, a Republican like all but one of the other gulf state governors, has been alone among them for his publicly critical stance toward the federal agencies in the response.

But experts said such antagonism could actually slow down that response.

“You can ask for the moon and say you didn’t get it, but I don’t think that’s going to add anything to the response capabilities,” said Doug Lentsch, who was chief of the Coast Guard’s Pollution Response Branch in Washington, D. C., during the Exxon Valdez disaster and helped develop the Oil Pollution Act of 1990. “When that stuff happens, you actually take away the ability of the unified command to get their job done.”

Melissa Sellers, the governor’s communications director, said in a statement that the state was forced to be proactive and act on its own because of the slow response and a lack of information from BP and the federal authorities.

“The bottom line is that this is an emergency situation,” Ms. Sellers said. “It demands quick action and quick thinking, and especially common sense. We continue to ask the federal government and BP to join us in this fight and battle this oil spill with the sense of urgency that the protection of our state demands.”

But a review of Louisiana’s prespill preparation suggests that the state may be open to the same criticisms that Mr. Jindal has leveled at BP and federal authorities.

The state has an oil spill coordinator’s office. Its staff shrank by half over the last decade, and the 17-year-old oil spill research and development program that is associated with the office had its annual $750,000 in financing cut last year. The coordinator is responsible for drawing up and signing off on spill contingency plans with the Coast Guard and a committee of federal, state and local officials.

Some of these plans are rife with omissions, including pages of blank charts that are supposed to detail available supplies of equipment like oil-skimming vessels. A draft action plan for a worst case is among many requirements in the southeast Louisiana proposal listed as “to be developed.”

State officials said that many of those gaps had been addressed but that the information had not yet been formally incorporated into the plan by the Coast Guard.

The plans, in conjunction with state and federal laws, do outline a response structure, called a unified command. In the event of a spill, state officials, the responsible party and the federal authorities, usually the Coast Guard, are supposed to work together to marshal resources and create day-to-day action plans.

From the first days of the spill, state representatives at a command center in Houma, La., have been following that script, signing off on the action plans with the Coast Guard and BP.

But on the first weekend in May, after the governor declared a state of emergency and weeks before heavy oil began to hit the coast, senior members of the Jindal administration decided the unified command was not working.

“We very quickly ran into challenges with the different entities carrying out their responsibilities under that framework,” said Garret Graves, the director of the governor’s office of coastal activities, citing a lack of urgency and decisiveness by the Coast Guard. “That’s where I think the inefficiencies were realized, and that’s why the state began taking an alternative path.”

“I don’t think the Coast Guard or BP had a familiarity with disaster posture,” Mr. Graves added.

On May 3, Mr. Jindal went public with his dissatisfaction.

“We kept being assured over and over that they had a plan, that there was a detailed plan, that it was coming; we never got that plan,” he said.

But under the law, oil spill experts said, there are only two kinds of government plans pertaining to spills, and the state is partly responsible for both.

There are area contingency plans, which the state helps draw up and are meant to be in place when a spill occurs; and there are action plans, which the state helps put together on a day-to-day basis after a spill.

It is just as much the state’s responsibility as anyone’s if a spill occurs and there is no up-to-date contingency plan, said Donald S. Jensen, a retired Coast Guard captain who coordinated the response to several major oil spills.

"After a spill happens is not the time to make a plan," he added.

Nevertheless, state and parish officials drew up their own response plan, a process that usually takes months, over that weekend.

The amount of hard boom the state requested, roughly 950 miles or about one and a half times the national stockpile, was more than three times what the southeast Louisiana area contingency plan said would be required to boom the state’s entire coastline.

“I think it’s proven to be not real reasonable,” said Todd Paxton, general manager of Cook Inlet Spill Prevention and Response Inc., an Alaska company. “For one, it’s just a huge amount of boom.”

A call to put out large amounts of that boom immediately, experts said, was also problematic, as boom can quickly be rendered useless by waves and tides if deployed too early.

Still, the unified command put much of the state and parish plan into effect over the next few weeks, while also continuing to draw up its day-to-day action plans.

A little over a week later, Mr. Jindal began to push a sand berm strategy.

Working off an idea put forward by a pair of Dutch marine research and engineering firms, the plan called for the construction of 140 miles of sand barriers, in 24 segments, to protect the inner coastline from oil. Such an idea is also discussed, though not in great detail, in one of the state’s area contingency plans.

Just before midnight on May 11, the state requested an emergency permit for the project from the Army Corps of Engineers. At just three pages, it was intentionally vague, Mr. Graves said, on the understanding that it was likely to need modifications.

Within days the governor began to decry the slow wheels of government.

“While we’re continuing to push the Corps to give us this permit and the Coast Guard and BP to approve this, we’re not letting the bureaucracy stop us,” Mr. Jindal said on May 14.

By that time, federal agencies had already raised serious concerns about the sand berm project, which, by one estimate, could cost nearly $1 billion.

The project would take months — at least three for the first berm to be built and six or more for the whole project to be finished — causing some experts and federal officials to wonder whether it would do any good. Others questioned whether it could make the problem worse: as the berms were being constructed, an analysis from the Environmental Protection Agency read, “the flow of water through unbermed portions could accelerate, potentially creating a funneling effect for the oil.”

A panel of local coastal scientists was put together by the state to direct the handling of the project. But even some members of that panel have expressed deep skepticism about the plan, though none wanted to be quoted on the matter.

While a series of revisions was being made by state and federal agencies, Mr. Jindal kept up the political pressure, saying on June 2 that 10 miles of berms could have already been constructed if the federal government had immediately granted the permit.

The next day, Adm. Thad W. Allen of the Coast Guard, the national incident commander for the spill, approved the building and financing, at BP’s expense, of six of the berms at a cost of $360 million, saying he was satisfied that they “will effectively stem potential damage” to the shoreline.

But the public disagreements have not stopped. This week federal authorities halted the dredging of sand for the berms in a certain part of the Chandeleur Islands, saying it violated the state’s permit and could jeopardize the islands themselves.

Mr. Jindal replied by urging the federal government to “get out of the way” of a necessary defense strategy.

The state engineering firm has nevertheless suspended dredging for several days while it moves the equipment to comply with the permit.

The first barrier will be completed “no sooner than August,” said Gentry Brann, a spokeswoman for the Shaw Group, the engineering firm.

“It is a large construction process,” she said. “And it doesn’t happen overnight.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/26/us/politics/26jindal.html?pagewanted=print

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Well, Mr. Macaca-who-hates-govt, sounds like your own govt, which you head, is "the problem", just like your St Ronnie, said, it's not "the solution".

LA made a pact with the devil oil-gas-chemical industry for $10 of $Bs/year to an impoverished state, and now they're stuck with the not-unforeseen side effects. And of course, it's all the Feds' fault, as always with Repugs, who are never accountable, never responsible.

ChumpDumper
07-01-2010, 03:00 PM
lmao

Chump can't just admit Obama is worthless in this area. Instead he does a popquiz to prove WC can't answer how many blue-beaked pelicans in the southern region of cajun bayou have suffered from the oil spill due to the absence of foreign aid.If you can't quantify it and just want to make shit up, just say so.

lmao

George Gervin's Afro
07-01-2010, 03:07 PM
Yes, what's your point? Seems pretty clear. Offers of assistance, with the important ones "under consideration," possibly meaning "dammit, we already said NO, but cannot admit to that."

Is that your point?


Wild Cobra-I do well with my gut feelings at times, and understand propaganda.

jack sommerset
07-01-2010, 04:41 PM
70 days later.

George Gervin's Afro
07-01-2010, 04:53 PM
70 days later.

and you still can't tell us how to fix the leak....

Veterinarian
07-01-2010, 06:02 PM
70 days later.

Do you have Mr. Peabody on ignore or something?

ChumpDumper
07-01-2010, 08:24 PM
70 days later.Yes, that's when people like you lied about foreign help in the Gulf.

Liar.

sook
07-02-2010, 06:34 AM
70 days later.

are you retarded?