RICHARD JEFFERSON opts OUT!!

[ChuckD]

I can see it, but honestly, any team that gives him that contract, wouldn't they be under the cap enough to just give it to him?

On top of that, the Spurs wouldn't get anything back worth a crap would they!?

The Spurs need to not sign him. They also need to NOT take back any contracts, unless it's a passable SF. We've already taken out the garbage. No need to take on more just to get DICK a higher raise per year.

[EricB]

The only way this could work, is if the Spurs got about 4 or 5 million under the cap, KEPT the MLE and LLE

and could convince a FA with the 5 million in capspace to sign.

Other than that, I do not see hwo this is a good thing for the Spurs bad fit or not...

[Creation88]

lets get one thing straight: Jefferson was NOT gonna do a damn thing to help this team with a Championship this year. we witnessed that last year. at the very least he was gonna remain a scapegoat for all you fucking idiots that are now defending him.

[ploto]

I think that Jefferson can blame one bad year on adjustment and not fitting in, but 2 bad years could have spelled doom and gloom for next off-season. This way, he doesn't look so bad, and some team will think he would work well on their roster.

The only one happy is Holt.

[timvp]

Anyone do the math of how much this saves Holt?

Party at his house tonight . . .

[EricB]

A trade exception for the value of his first year salary would be just fine. The Spurs could then trade that for a player on a team looking to shed salary.

Yeah its possible, but, I guess we will just have to wait but I just again don't see how that could work.

We shall see....

[SenorSpur]

Exactly.

Hence why he would laugh at the LLE.

Barnes is so far down on the pecking order of this game of "financial" musical chairs, he may not get an offer until mid-July. :lol

Seriously though, there is a lot of money out there in a very volatile free agent market. With the players that have hit the market, I simply can't imagine Barnes having "unrealistic" salary expectations.

[Spurs Brazil]

WojYahooNBA
Jefferson also knew how little use Popovich had for him and money may not have been worth another year of misery there. Pop rode him hard.
half a minute ago via UberTwitter

[FuzzyLumpkins]

A free agent bonanza with loads of teams with MLEs and cap space and not many SF options, and Im supposed to believe he's gonna only take a 2 hundred grand upgrade?

You're going to bitch no matter what so why should we care what you expect?

[Mel_13]

The only way this could work, is if the Spurs got about 4 or 5 million under the cap, KEPT the MLE and LLE

and could convince a FA with the 5 million in capspace to sign.

Other than that, I do not see hwo this is a good thing for the Spurs bad fit or not...

That can't happen. You can use cap space or the MLE, not both.

[ducks]

I think that Jefferson can blame one bad year on adjustment and not fitting in, but 2 bad years could have spelled doom and gloom for next off-season. This way, he doesn't look so bad, and some team will think he would work well on their roster.

The only one happy is Holt.

yeah holt loves not winning title:nope:nope

[ChuckD]

A free agent bonanza with loads of teams with MLEs and cap space and not many SF options, and Im supposed to believe he's gonna only take a 2 hundred grand upgrade?

It's Matt Barnes. I can maybe believe some stupid spurned FA suitor money might make it down to the DICK Jefferson level, but it will never make it down to the bottom feeders like Matt Barnes.

[spursfaninla]

stop bringin up the SF BS. RJ didnt even play SF last season.

according to 82games.com, rj played the vast majority of his minutes at sf, and about 16% of his time at the pf spot.

When in the starting lineup, he was clearly the sf, with duncan and dice on the floor.

[SpursNextRomanEmpire]

wow, just wow. I trust that the FO will figure something out, for some reason this makes me excited

[ohmwrecker]

The only one happy is Holt.

Not if he still gives a shit about winning.

[Creation88]

The only way this could work, is if the Spurs got about 4 or 5 million under the cap, KEPT the MLE and LLE

and could convince a FA with the 5 million in capspace to sign.

Other than that, I do not see hwo this is a good thing for the Spurs bad fit or not...

we are under the cap $5 mil. we're at 52.6 mil and the salary cap was $57.7 mil. dumbass.

[Spurs Brazil]

WojYahooNBA
Jefferson also knew how little use Popovich had for him and money may not have been worth another year of misery there. Pop rode him hard.
half a minute ago via UberTwitter

Well, after that I think he won't be back :lol

[ace3g]

Matt Barnes has said on many occasions (don't quote me on it though) that he likes to play in the coastal areas.

[jag]

lets get one thing straight: Jefferson was NOT gonna do a damn thing to help this team with a Championship this year. we witnessed that last year. at the very least he was gonna remain a scapegoat for all you fucking idiots that are now defending him.

How many people have to tell you how fucking retarded you are until you stop posting?

[timvp]

Oh and the front office better plug in a small forward that can actually shoot from the outside. It was ugly watching the non-existent spacing. Another year would have been painful.

I'm starting to like this non-RJ thing.

[ChuckD]

anyone do the math of how much this saves holt?

Party at his house tonight . . .

b.y.o.b.

[EricB]

That can't happen. You can use cap space or the MLE, not both.

Alright I'm getting two different stories now.....

[Kori Ellis]

That can't happen. You can use cap space or the MLE, not both.

Yeah... no matter what, the Spurs have only MLE and LLE (or cap space worth the MLE plus the LLE).

[Mel_13]

Yeah its possible, but, I guess we will just have to wait but I just again don't see how that could work.

We shall see....

RJ to the Nets for a protected second round pick. Spurs get a trade exception for the value of RJ's new first year salary. No real reason for the Nets not to do it.

[ohmwrecker]

we are under the cap $5 mil. we're at 52.6 mil and the salary cap was $57.7 mil. dumbass.

We are not under the cap. We are under the luxury tax. Why are you still talking?

[Creation88]

How many people have to tell you how fucking retarded you are until you stop posting?

it's true. he's wasted fucking space. can't argue that moron.

[pjjrfan]

Wow, things are looking up.

[EricB]

we are under the cap $5 mil. we're at 52.6 mil and the salary cap was $57.7 mil. dumbass.


Alright dumbass

how do you sign a SF and Tiago Splitter at the same time now?


Waiting...

[Nazrat]

Welcome to the starting lineup, James Anderson!

[Juanobili]

Let's just get rid of Bonner and Mason now lol

[JamStone]

Matt Barnes would hang up the phone laughing at 1.8 r u kidding me?!

Do you realize how much Matt Barnes played for the last two seasons?

He must do a really shitty job of selling himself or have a really horrible agent.

He might not give $1.8 million serious consideration with all that free agent money teams have this off season, but I don't think he'd laugh or hang up.

[DesignatedT]

Quick question: let's say he opts out of his 15 mil year deal. Could we sign him back for less $ not including now money? Do we have any kind of rights like that or we can only offer the mle to him?

[ChuckD]

we are under the cap $5 mil. we're at 52.6 mil and the salary cap was $57.7 mil. dumbass.

That was last year's cap, and you don't have the placeholders up to 13 roster spots in there. dumbass.

[spursfaninla]

Oh and the front office better plug in a small forward that can actually shoot from the outside. It was ugly watching the non-existent spacing. Another year would have been painful.

I'm starting to like this non-RJ thing.

Tim, do you really want to be back to what we had pre-RJ? Because that is what we are looking at.

If we are lucky, sure we get a 3pt shooter. But what else are we getting from an LLE starter and a vet min backup?

I think best case is a defensive sf who can shoot the 3, and a scrub defender.

[Das Texan]

The fuck? No. Pop defended RJ and said that he was getting too much blame for the Spurs not clicking from what I've heard.

What Pop says in public probably isnt want Pop says behind closed doors.

[Spurs Brazil]

Oh and the front office better plug in a small forward that can actually shoot from the outside. It was ugly watching the non-existent spacing. Another year would have been painful.

I'm starting to like this non-RJ thing.

Butler and Jones are two names that fit the shooting thing but I don't know how far a team can go with Butler or Jones starting at SF.

And I think we can get one of them with LLE

[Marcus Bryant]

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_fo4CG3MTjFY/STKrReh_egI/AAAAAAAARE4/qblPN45sXP4/s640/071030_holt_react_ring_ceremony_gt.jpg

[EricB]

RJ to the Nets for a protected second round pick. Spurs get a trade exception for the value of RJ's new first year salary. No real reason for the Nets not to do it.

That would be the only bright side in this happening.

Thats the only way I can see them getting something sometime to replace the SF position.

[Mel_13]

Quick question: let's say he opts out of his 15 mil year deal. Could we sign him back for less $ not including now money? Do we have any kind of rights like that or we can only offer the mle to him?

Spurs retain full Bird Rights and can sign him to any size contract without affecting their MLE.

[ploto]

Oh and the front office better plug in a small forward that can actually shoot from the outside. It was ugly watching the non-existent spacing. Another year would have been painful.


Trade for Hedo! :lol

[jag]

it's true. he's wasted fucking space. can't argue that moron.

lol we have people in here hoping the Spurs can sign Matt Barnes. :lol hoping for Matt Barnes. The spurs have one more shot at a deep playoff run and youre pimping Hairston and Gee. Stop fucking posting

[Creation88]

We are not under the cap. We are under the luxury tax. Why are you still talking?

according to this: http://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio.htm we're at $52.6 mil w. Jefferson off the books.

and according to this last year's SALARY cap was $57.7: http://www.nba.com/2009/news/07/07/salarycap.ap/index.html

[TDMVPDPOY]

we are under the cap $5 mil. we're at 52.6 mil and the salary cap was $57.7 mil. dumbass.

given that the left over is 5m greater/smaller then MLE value...

should we sign splitter to remainin capspace of 5m or the MLE?

then split MLE + LLE fill up roster needs?

ps. why not just sign matt barnes to a contract for 1yr rental he cant refuse?

[Kori Ellis]

For those who are questioning, it doesn't matter if the Spurs are a little over or a little under the salary cap when it comes in. They are only going to have the same amount of money to spend. And if Splitter is eating the MLE, then basically they have the LLE and minimum contracts.

[Mel_13]

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/content/Image/04-27-2009/Peter-Holt.jpg

:lmao

[Spurs Brazil]

Quick question: let's say he opts out of his 15 mil year deal. Could we sign him back for less $ not including now money? Do we have any kind of rights like that or we can only offer the mle to him?

Yes, Spurs have RJ Birds Right

[SenorSpur]

Obviously, this puts the Spurs in sort of dire straits. However, I simply couldn't envision the Spurs being successful with RJ at SF. He's not a bad player at all. He was simply a terrible fit here.

Personally, I couldn't take watching another year of him struggle to fit in. Even late in the season, he was making the same mistakes on his defensive rotations that he was making early in the season. He just never caught on.

Watching him trying to fit into this team was like watching a drunk stagger up and down the street looking for loose change.

Now, we'll see what direction the Spurs go in.

[EricB]

What Pop says in public probably isnt want Pop says behind closed doors.

Phila is connected, so I'd say Pop said that in private as well...

[Kori Ellis]

according to this: http://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio.htm we're at $52.6 mil w. Jefferson off the books.

and according to this last year's SALARY cap was $57.7: http://www.nba.com/2009/news/07/07/salarycap.ap/index.html

You have to add in a hold amount for each player to fill out the roster.

No matter what, the Spurs have the MLE and LLE - that's it.

[spursfan1000]

For those who are questioning, it doesn't matter if the Spurs are a little over or a little under the salary cap when it comes in. They are only going to have the same amount of money to spend. And if Splitter is eating the MLE, then basically they have the LLE and minimum contracts.


Thanks

[FkLA]

That can't happen. You can use cap space or the MLE, not both.

If youre under the cap, sign a FA on say the 1st day and are right at the cap, dont you than aquire the MLE?


Quick question: let's say he opts out of his 15 mil year deal. Could we sign him back for less $ not including now money? Do we have any kind of rights like that or we can only offer the mle to him?

We have bird rights on him yes, so we can offer him a contract without the limitations of the CBA.

[ChuckD]

Quick question: let's say he opts out of his 15 mil year deal. Could we sign him back for less $ not including now money? Do we have any kind of rights like that or we can only offer the mle to him?

If they re-sign him for $1, I'll stop being a Spurs fan.

This is a gift from God.

[EricB]

Obviously, this puts the Spurs in sort of dire straits. However, I simply couldn't envision the Spurs being successful with RJ at SF. He's not a bad player at all. He was simply a terrible fit here.

Personally, I couldn't take watching another year of him struggle to fit in. Even late in the season, he was making the same mistakes on his defensive rotations that he was making early in the season. He just never caught on.

Watching him trying to fit into this team was like watching a drunk stagger up and down the street looking for loose change.

Now, we'll see what direction the Spurs go in.

I would've taken that and his 12 13 points a game as opposed to seeing Malik fucking Hairston start.

[Shastafarian]

You have to add in a hold amount for each player to fill out the roster.

No matter what, the Spurs have the MLE and LLE - that's it.

Unfortunately that's without a starting SF. So basically it's the same situation as they were in yesterday only now they need to spread the MLE, LLE, and minimum contracts to include a SF.

[Das Texan]

You have to add in a hold amount for each player to fill out the roster.

No matter what, the Spurs have the MLE and LLE - that's it.



not true!


there could be a miracle! and the cap comes in a ton higher than everyone has said for a few years now!
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[Marcus Bryant]

What if he opts out and Spurs give him a new deal....?

[JamStone]

Hi guys!

http://0.tqn.com/d/sanantonio/1/7/V/O/-/-/ime-udoka-spurs.jpg

[Kori Ellis]

Unfortunately that's without a starting SF. So basically it's the same situation as they were in yesterday only now they need to spread the MLE, LLE, and minimum contracts to include a SF.

Exactly.

[Das Texan]

oh and thank you RJ for fucking going away.


I'd rather have a dying corpse on the floor over Dick Jefferson.

[Chieflion]

Hi guys!

http://0.tqn.com/d/sanantonio/1/7/V/O/-/-/ime-udoka-spurs.jpg

That's not funny.

[timvp]

This summer just got a lot more interesting. Splitter is still priority No. 1 but now the Spurs have some wiggle room to juggle some more. That said, it's going to be a challenge due to the limited assets.

[Mel_13]

If youre under the cap, sign a FA on say the 1st day and are right at the cap, dont you than aquire the MLE?


No, you can use cap space or the MLE not both.

Technically, all teams get an MLE each year. Teams under the salary cap renounce the MLE just like they renounce their own FAs that will not be retained.

[ohmwrecker]

according to this: http://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio.htm we're at $52.6 mil w. Jefferson off the books.

and according to this last year's SALARY cap was $57.7: http://www.nba.com/2009/news/07/07/salarycap.ap/index.html

I guess that's great if the league lets us play with an 8 man roster.

[Ditty]

I cant deal with jeff for another year no way we resigning him were fucked whats the rules on a sign and trade we have nothing to offer but a future 1st draft pick or parker neither which i want to give up this sucks lol

[Kori Ellis]

not true!


there could be a miracle! and the cap comes in a ton higher than everyone has said for a few years now!
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Sure, if the salary cap is $75 million, we are in good shape ;)

[mattyc]

Long shot, but what's the latest with Victor Sanikidze?

[EricB]

Unfortunately that's without a starting SF. So basically it's the same situation as they were in yesterday only now they need to spread the MLE, LLE, and minimum contracts to include a SF.

And if Tiago says yes, then uh yeah, LLE and minimum...

[Das Texan]

Sure, if the salary cap is $75 million, we are in good shape ;)


sure would make it easier for lebron, bosh and wade to go somewhere together...

[ducks]

hill is going to be traded for a sf

[Mel_13]

This summer just got a lot more interesting. Splitter is still priority No. 1 but now the Spurs have some wiggle room to juggle some more. That said, it's going to be a challenge due to the limited assets.

Assuming that the Spurs will stay under the lux tax now, Tiago's price tag was just slashed 50%.

[SenorSpur]

I would've taken that and his 12 13 points a game as opposed to seeing Malik fucking Hairston start.

Understand. He did have his moments, he just never fit in. The Suns virtually attacked him in the playoffs on one end and left him open on the other. He was clearly frustrated and others were frustrated with him.

[Marcus Bryant]

http://watchmojo.com/blogs/images/buford.jpg

[Nazrat]

So, the current options are:

1. Sign and trade for something in return;
2. MLE--Splitter?;
3. LLE--Unknowns;
4. Malik Hairston; or
5. James Anderson.

Is that correct?

[EricB]

Long shot, but what's the latest with Victor Sanikidze?

Never coming.

[jag]

For those who are questioning, it doesn't matter if the Spurs are a little over or a little under the salary cap when it comes in. They are only going to have the same amount of money to spend. And if Splitter is eating the MLE, then basically they have the LLE and minimum contracts.

Exactly. Jefferson wasn't great, but Matt barnes, James Jones and other LLE or Min players aren't going to have the ability to potentially go off for 20+ on any given night.

Have some in here completely forgotten why the Spurs needed to go out and get a 4th scorer?

[SenorSpur]

Can anyone envision the conversation between the Spurs and Tiago, trying to convince him to take less than the MLE?

[Das Texan]

Exactly. Jefferson wasn't great, but Matt barnes, James Jones and other LLE or Min players aren't going to have the ability to potentially go off for 20+ on any given night.

Have some in here completely forgotten why the Spurs needed to go out and get a 4th scorer?


Dick may have been one of hte top 5 worst Spurs ever.


For every 1 game he would go off, you had 10 games of him being beyond useless.

[Icedstone]

Instead of crying about it, let's deal with it, RJ is opting out. Now what are the realistic best case scenarios?

[EricB]

So, the current options are:

1. Sign and trade for something in return;
2. MLE--Splitter?;
3. LLE--Unknowns;
4. Malik Hairston; or
5. James Anderson.

Is that correct?

Pretty much.

the S&T would be a god send but also dependent on what they got back...

[ohmwrecker]

So, the current options are:

1. Sign and trade for something in return;
2. MLE--Splitter?;
3. LLE--Unknowns;
4. Malik Hairston; or
5. James Anderson.

Is that correct?

Switch your #4 and #5.

[EricB]

Can anyone envision the conversation between the Spurs and Tiago, trying to convince him to take less than the MLE?

Yes.

Tears running down Buford's face as he prays Tiago says yes.

[Chieflion]

Instead of crying about it, let's deal with it, RJ is opting out. Now what are the realistic best case scenarios?

It is either re-signing RJ or sign and trade him elsewhere for a trade exception. There is no in-between, the Spurs have to sign him or else they are fucked.

[spursfan1000]

Switch your #4 and #5.


This.

[Penya]

Long shot, but what's the latest with Victor Sanikidze?

Keeps his arms and legs.
Enough for a backup SF spot though.

[lurker]

Congrats, guys. :toast

[EricB]

Dunno what its worth but McDonald says the Spurs are open to giving Jefferson a LTD supposedly for a more cap friendly figure....

[JamStone]

That's not funny.

A redemption song more to your liking?

http://www.cloudfantasy.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Michael-Finley-Waived.jpg

[Marcus Bryant]

Dunno what its worth but McDonald says the Spurs are open to giving Jefferson a LTD supposedly for a more cap friendly figure....

Of course.

[InRareForm]

peter holt is like this right now:

http://musformation.com/2009/02/21/DanceParty.gif

[4>0rings]

The story of the Spurs:

http://img2.pict.com/48/24/91/1019532/0/x65l4.gif

[ChuckD]

So, the current options are:

1. Sign and trade for something in return;
2. MLE--Splitter?;
3. LLE--Unknowns;
4. Malik Hairston; or
5. James Anderson.

Is that correct?

6. Trade Antonio and sign Ian
7. S&T Ian

[Chieflion]

A redemption song more to your liking?

http://www.cloudfantasy.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Michael-Finley-Waived.jpg

At least he helped in 2007.

[EricB]

JMcDonald_SAEN

Hearing #spurs would be open to giving RJ a longer term deal at a per-year figure that's easier on their cap figure.

[EricB]

JMcDonald_SAEN

Hearing #spurs would be open to giving RJ a longer term deal at a per-year figure that's easier on their cap figure.

[DesignatedT]

Spurs retain full Bird Rights and can sign him to any size contract without affecting their MLE.

Thanks Mel. I for one am hoping this is the case

[ploto]

If a team is below the cap, then their Disabled Player, Bi-Annual, Mid-Level and/or Traded Player exceptions are added to their team salary, and the league treats the team as though they are over the cap. This is to prevent a loophole... A team can't act like they're under the cap and sign free agents using cap room, and then use their Disabled Player, Bi-Annual, Mid-Level and/or Traded Player exceptions. Consequently, the exceptions are added to their team salary (putting the team over the cap) if the team is under the cap and adding the exceptions puts them over the cap...

So being under the cap does not necessarily mean a team has room to sign free agents. For example, assume the cap is $49.5 million, and a team has $43 million committed to salaries. They also have a Mid-Level exception for $5 million and a Traded Player exception for $5.5 million. Even though their salaries put them $6.5 million under the cap, their exceptions are added to their salaries, putting them at $53.5 million, or $4 million over the cap. So they actually have no cap room to sign free agents, and instead must use their exceptions.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q1

[TFloss32]

I agree that this sucks and sets the Spurs up for financial issues this summer, but RJ was advised to protect himself with a potential lockout looming in 2011. I'm confident that the Spurs will not be left high and dry when all is said and done. The front office is too saavy, IMO. I think the following scenarios could explain what's going on:

1.) RJ wants an extended deal with the Spurs to protect himself from the looming lockout or feels he won't be able to get decent money elsewhere in the future.
2.) RJ already has a pre-determined destination.
3.) Spurs have a sign-and-trade proposal worked out that works for both parties.
4.) RJ is so miserable in SA that he decided to leave $15 million on the table and take his chances. I doubt he's doing this blindly, though.

[Das Texan]

fuck old mcdonald.


he doesnt know his head from his fucking ass.

[ace3g]

ArtGarcia_NBA

Richard Jefferson maybe made smarter play by opting out of #Spurs deal: http://bit.ly/d0kicN

[jag]

The only thing is that Splitter is still not a sure, or likely, signing for the Spurs.

Hold on.....what?

You think it's unlikely?

[ChuckD]

JMcDonald_SAEN

Hearing #spurs would be open to giving RJ a longer term deal at a per-year figure that's easier on their cap figure.

Thank God it's only McDonald, and it's probably wrong.

[ducks]

rj for 5 years at 6 million a year

[Spurs Brazil]

Opting out right move for RJ?June 30, 2010 · 8:24PMPosted by Art Garcia

On the surface it appears Richard Jefferson opting out of the last year of his contract for $15.2 million is a major gamble. Some league observers half-heartedly speculated that RJ won’t make $15.2 million the rest of his career.

Ouch.

While it’s a safe bet Jefferson won’t make that kind of money next season, especially coming off a disappointing year in San Antonio, the small forward could take advantage of a seller’s market. With at least eight teams out there with significant cap room and only so many star players to go around, Jefferson could easily be seen a safe fallback.

Even after LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Dirk Nowitzki, Amar’e Stoudemire, Joe Johnson and Carlos Boozer come off the board, there’s going to be money out there to spend and clubs who were shut out of the above.

Remember the $80 million combined Detroit spent last summer on Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva? Some team is going to panic — Clippers or Knicks, perhaps — and reach out to RJ to make sure its summer isn’t a total washout.

Jefferson is hardly damaged goods. He just turned 30 this month and even though he averaged 12.3 points as a bad fit in the Spurs’ system last season, he’s still got a career scoring average of 17.0 and has been reasonably durable.

Getting back in a running offense with a pass-first point guard, instead of San Antonio’s halfcourt attack built around Tim Duncan and Tony Parker‘s shoot-first mentality, could spell a career rebirth for Jefferson. Maybe that’s worth a contract similar to the five years and nearly $40 million Shawn Marion received from Dallas last summer.

Or maybe the Spurs work out a new contract for a more cap-friendly figure with Jefferson, realizing he’s still probably a better option than anything San Antonio can realistically hope to find on the open market. Jefferson signing a new deal now does protect him from possible salary rollbacks of the next CBA.

In another other year, opting out of such a windfall would seem extremely foolish for Jefferson. Maybe RJ is smarter than the rest of us.

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2010/06/30/opting-out-right-move-for-rj/

[toki9]

Damn.

The Spurs just got royally screwed


You people saying thank god are so fucking stupid....

Yeah, this isn't good. Hopefully the FO can figure something out. This just ruined my week.

[Dex]

FWIW, another perspective:


Spurs took a gamble on him last year and felt let down by the results, but now they get bailed out of paying the steepest price. They also just dropped below the salary cap by about $5 million and have a little more room to maneuver to improve a team that needs to get more athletic. If they were to trade Tony Parker to the Knicks just for cap space, they would suddenly have bout $14.7 million to play around with. Not that they plan to move Parker, but the number of options available to the Spurs just increased dramatically.

Free agency hasn't even started and RC Buford feels like he's won.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/report-richard-jefferson-opts-out-of-deal-spurs-fans-believe-it-is-a-miracle.php

[clubalien]

Alright dumbass

how do you sign a SF and Tiago Splitter at the same time now?


Waiting...

this year the NBA might be rigging the cap higher so NY knickerbockers can sign two max Free agents

[yavozerb]

Dunno what its worth but McDonald says the Spurs are open to giving Jefferson a LTD supposedly for a more cap friendly figure....

This actually what I am expecting..Gonna be funny what everyone says who is celebrating right now about his departure..

[SenorSpur]

Dunno what its worth but McDonald says the Spurs are open to giving Jefferson a LTD supposedly for a more cap friendly figure....

I can understand the Spurs offering and they should.

However, with the terrible experience that RJ had with the Spurs, why would RJ consider it? Where's his incentive?

[jag]

Dick may have been one of hte top 5 worst Spurs ever.


For every 1 game he would go off, you had 10 games of him being beyond useless.

Have you ever seen James Jones in an NBA starting lineup?

[slick'81]

a sign and trade with rj would be lovely but who knows what will happen now resigning rj to a multi year deal makes no sense to me at all

[Shastafarian]

I don't know what to believe at this point but if I had to wager on it I'd put money on the Spurs signing him to a longer deal for much less money. The MLE, LLE, etc stay intact and they retain a starting SF.

[dbestpro]

Dice for Beasley and Dice retires.

[Kori Ellis]

I can understand the Spurs offering and they should.

However, with the terrible experience that RJ had with the Spurs, why would RJ consider it? Where's his incentive?

I hope that the Spurs don't do it. RJ f'd the spacing more than any player I have ever seen. I understand they need a SF, but got damn.

[Goran Dragic]

I saw this thread and thought it was some kind of joke?

He seriously opted out?

[Icedstone]

So with the CBA, can we spend some of the money that the Spurs were going to pay RJ, to get someone else (I understand the we can't just go out & spend 15 mil)? Or, is sign & trade the only option to get someone in return? Does this affect negotiations w/ Tiago or was that negotiating w/ only the MLE? Sorry if I seem so ignorant, just trying to get a better understanding w/ my SPURS situation!

[beachwood]

Oh and the front office better plug in a small forward that can actually shoot from the outside. It was ugly watching the non-existent spacing. Another year would have been painful.

I'm starting to like this non-RJ thing.

I feel cautiously optimistic. RJ was such a bad fit it was brutal to watch. I would have never been able to stomach watching another year of missed rotations and bricked baseline jumpers.

[Das Texan]

Have you ever seen James Jones in an NBA starting lineup?

How does that change Dick being one of the top 5 worse Spurs ever?



For what he made I dont think there is any question he was the worst spur ever to put on the uniform.

[The Franchise]

What type of S&T assets do you guys have?

[spursfan1000]

I saw this thread and thought it was some kind of joke?

He seriously opted out?


Yes.

[pad300]

Alright, lets get this in perspective My estimated value for the Spurs cap-hold before RJ opted out - $71,836,252 (on-book Salaries for Duncan, Jefferson, Mcdyess, Manu, Parker, Jerrels, Gee, Hairston, Temple, Blair, Hill, Cap hold for Anderson ($1,134,500), 3 minimum Cap holds (at $462,808 each)
Post RJ opting out - $57,099,060 (on-book Salaries for Duncan, Mcdyess, Manu, Parker, Jerrels, Gee, Hairston, Temple, Blair, Hill, Cap hold for Anderson ($1,134,500), 4 minimum Cap holds (at $462,808 each).

The cap is roughly 58 million - we might be a touch under. We will have the MLE, the LLE and a smidge of room under cap (probably not significantly more than a vet min contract).

The lux tax threshold was roughly 70 million -therefore, this saves Holt approximately 17 million, less whatever salary he adds to replace RJ, and additional taxes he would have payed for using the MLE and LLE, etc (roughly another 8 million or so).

I'm not sure that this is a disaster. As TiMVP has said, clearly Jefferson thinks he has something arranged. With who? Are the Spurs going to work some sort of sign and Trade?

I'm going to assume no S&T for now. There are 4 or 5 players who I would immediately start courting
LLE - Dorell Wright, James Jones, Matt Barnes
Vet Min - Dominic Mcguire, Tyler Smith (he is currently not signed on to any SL team that I am aware of. I would bring him in regardless of this situation.)

The other Item I would seriously contemplate is getting in to the current cap-space rush currently ongoing by moving our 4 unguaranteed contracts - Hairston, Gee, Jerrels, Temple. For example, all 4 to NJ for Humphries + the 1st round GSW pick that NJN is owed + 3 Million Dollars. 3 Million in capspace for 3 Million dollars and a 1st is a reasonable price, and we could resign all the guys sent, for 1 year vet min contracts unguaranteed, as they would all be cut...

[Dex]

Let's look at the bright side:

It's June 30th and we have something to talk about.

[EricB]

Dice for Beasley and Dice retires.

How the F does that help anything?

[Goran Dragic]

Yes.


:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

I'm not sure it's a good thing I'm attending U of A's business school whan an alumni does something so financially retarded :lol

[Kori Ellis]

We will have the MLE, the LLE and a smidge of room under cap (probably not significantly more than a vet min contract).

Just FYI, you don't get that smidge if you are using your exceptions.

[baseline bum]

The Spurs are fucked. Jefferson's expiring was the ticket towards getting a shooter or maybe someone who could stay in front of his man. James Anderson better be the next Stephen Jackson or the Spurs window has gone from closed to bolted shut and covered with a fucking 3-foot lead wall.

[Ditty]

What type of S&T assets do you guys have?

sadly none unless hairston or gee but arent very attractive players

[EricB]

How does that change Dick being one of the top 5 worse Spurs ever?



For what he made I dont think there is any question he was the worst spur ever to put on the uniform.

Worse than Steve Smith?

No no way...

[Shastafarian]

The cap is roughly 58 million - we might be a touch under. We will have the MLE, the LLE and a smidge of room under cap (probably not significantly more than a vet min contract).

They can't use the MLE, LLE, AND any cap room. It's the exceptions or the cap room. Not both...I think. My brain is fried right now.

[spursfan1000]

How the F does that help anything?


:lmao

[SenorSpur]

I hope that the Spurs don't do it. RJ f'd the spacing more than any player I have ever seen. I understand they need a SF, but got damn.

Exactly.

That lack of spacing bogged down the offense.

I don't want to turn RJ into a scapegoat, this was just a terrible marriage. Fortunately, it was only for one season.

[EricB]

The Spurs are fucked. Jefferson's expiring was the ticket towards getting a shooter or maybe someone who could stay in front of his man. James Anderson better be the next Stephen Jackson or the Spurs window has gone from closed to bolted shut and covered with a fucking 3-foot lead wall.

and Tiago Splitter signs and becomes some kind of Pau Gasol light.

[spursfan1000]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

I'm not sure it's a good thing I'm attending U of A's business school whan an alumni does something so financially retarded :lol


I'm kind of relieved RJ is opting out

[timvp]

Damn, imagine if the Spurs hadn't extended Manu. They could then trade TP to a team with cap space and open up enough room to go after LeBron, Wade, Dirk, etc.

:wow :drunk

[Ditty]

yah so if the spurs dont resign jefferson going into next season there salary will be a little or 60 million but peter holt will be a happy camper

[DAF86]

Can somebody explain to me how is this a good thing for the Spurs basketball aspirations next season?

[JamStone]

Some possible cheap free agent small forwards the Spurs could look at if worse comes to worst: James Jones, Rasual Butler, Dorrell Wright (Heat released him I believe but he improved his game a lot last year) Antoine Wright, Quentin Richardson, Joe Alexander, Bobby Simmons, Jawad Williams, Yakhouba Diawara, Devean George (lol), Dominic McGuire, Jerry Stackhouse, Joey or Stephen Graham, Adam Morrison (lol), Jarvis Hayes...

[EricB]

They can't use the MLE, LLE, AND any cap room. It's the exceptions or the cap room. Not both...I think. My brain is fried right now.

Thats what I thought as well, and then got shot down on that.

Who knows.

[Goran Dragic]

I'm kind of relieved RJ is opting out


:lol I know

[baseline bum]

Safe to say that Bowen/Oberto/Thomas for Dick will go down as one of the worst trades in franchise history.

[Creation88]

Can somebody explain to me how is this a good thing for the Spurs basketball aspirations next season?

look at it this way: you're trying to clean your room and there's a pile of dog shit there. now you can throw out that dog shit and get nothing in return or keep that dog shit there stinking up your room with the slight hope that one of your friends will come in and trade you a baseball card for it half way through the year.

[EricB]

Some possible cheap free agent small forwards the Spurs could look at if worse comes to worst: James Jones, Rasual Butler, Dorrell Wright (Heat released him I believe but he improved his game a lot last year) Antoine Wright, Quentin Richardson, Joe Alexander, Bobby Simmons, Jawad Williams, Yakhouba Diawara, Devean George (lol), Dominic McGuire, Jerry Stackhouse, Joey or Stephen Graham, Adam Morrison (lol), Jarvis Hayes...

Im going to be sick....

[Chieflion]

This is retarded. Unless he thinks he is getting a 4 year deal for a total of 32 million at least, I don't see any reason why he would opt out. And no team is going to pay him that money. It would really suck if the Spurs re-sign him to that amount.

[ducks]

Although Jefferson will never make $15 million a year again, he obviously believes he'll do better in the long run by signing a multi-year deal this summer under the current rules as opposed to waiting for the uncertainty of next summer. Even with Jefferson's $15 million coming off the Spurs' books, they still don't have cap money to spend on free agents. But Jefferson's decision frees them from luxury-tax jeopardy for now.

[Das Texan]

Worse than Steve Smith?

No no way...



i'd rather have HITA over Dick.

[Shastafarian]

Can somebody explain to me how is this a good thing for the Spurs basketball aspirations next season?

It's not really good unless he was gonna be as shitty or shittier than he was last year.

[Marcus Bryant]

Jefferson isn't going anywhere, unless the Spurs gave him reason to believe he'd get a long term deal and are now pulling the rug out from under him. No way are they going to do that, as hard as it is to lure a decent non-Spur free agent to SA.

Jefferson gives up $15 mil for one season for $40 over 5 or what not.

Spurs get lux tax relief and, sadly, a better 3 than they can find most anywhere else. Still, Jefferson at $7 mil per makes a lot more sense than at $15, even for one season.

[Brazil]

now we are fucked

[Kori Ellis]

Damn, imagine if the Spurs hadn't extended Manu. They could then trade TP to a team with cap space and open up enough room to go after LeBron, Wade, Dirk, etc.

:wow :drunk

:lmao

[slick'81]

Safe to say that Bowen/Oberto/Thomas for Dick will go down as one of the worst trades in franchise history.

no doubt a one year rental that didnt work that well probably lose for nothing

[jag]

At the moment it is 50/50.

:lmao shit

[4>0rings]

I'm kind of relieved RJ is opting outThis. Now Bonner needs to GTFO my team.

[spursfan1000]

this thread should be put in the classics hahaha

[baseline bum]

i'd rather have HITA over Dick.

You take one, you might get the other.

[TD 21]

This could still work out for the Spurs. Long term, they need a legitimate successor at the SF position. But for this season, they can get away with two role players sharing the position. One who's a knockdown three point shooter and another who's an above average defender. I'm thinking of a player like Webster. Not him specifically, just that type of player. I could see them going the sign and trade route.

From Chris Mannixs' twitter...

Jefferson never felt comfortable in SA. (http://twitter.com/ChrisMannixSI/status/17450829103) Didn't fit in read and react offense, didn't like playing four a lot this season.

[Stump]

If the Spurs are a few million under the cap, can't they absorb another team's contract in a trade without sending something back? If so, can they then use the MLE of Splitter after that?

[EricB]

i'd rather have HITA over Dick.


No way.

No fucking way at all ....

[spursfan1000]

You take one, you might get the other.


:lmao

[jag]

Jefferson isn't going anywhere, unless the Spurs gave him reason to believe he'd get a long term deal and are now pulling the rug out from under him. No way are they going to do that, as hard as it is to lure a decent non-Spur free agent to SA.

Jefferson gives up $15 mil for one season for $40 over 5 or what not.

Spurs get lux tax relief and, sadly, a better 3 than they can find most anywhere else. Still, Jefferson at $7 mil per makes a lot more sense than at $15, even for one season.

Some people don't like the idea of signing him to a long term deal. The thing is, when the Spurs begin the rebuilding process...he'll be the first one shipped out for cap space.

[Marcus Bryant]

Jefferson comes back at a much more acceptable price. Splitter & Anderson join.

All in all, not a bad offseason. Not great, but then again, this is not starting with the assumption that the Spurs could lure LeBron in a S&T for Jefferson's contract.

[Shastafarian]

That can't happen. You can use cap space or the MLE, not both.


Thats what I thought as well, and then got shot down on that.

Who knows.

[spursfan1000]

If the Spurs are a few million under the cap, can't they absorb another team's contract in a trade without sending something back? If so, can they then use the MLE of Splitter after that?

I think so.:toast

[Ditty]

Safe to say that Bowen/Oberto/Thomas for Dick will go down as one of the worst trades in franchise history.

if they were all in there primes our players :lol

[BullsDynasty]

Maybe this link is outdated http://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio.htm but San Antonio is still below the Cap....

[Nazrat]

sportsguy33:
Stephen A. Smith reports that Richard Jefferson just walked away from an orgy with the Laker Girls.

[The Franchise]

S&T Parker for Rudy Gay, promote Hill to starting pg and sign Temple as a backup. Is that even possible? :lol

[Dex]

More food for thought. This is why I hate the CBA: even trying to clarify it makes things more confusing.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm



20. How do exceptions count against the cap? Does being under the cap always mean that a team has room to sign free agents? Do teams ever lose their exceptions?

If a team is below the cap, then their Disabled Player, Bi-Annual, Mid-Level and/or Traded Player exceptions are added to their team salary, and the league treats the team as though they are over the cap. This is to prevent a loophole, in a manner similar to free agent amounts (see question numbers 29, 30, 31, 32). A team can't act like they're under the cap and sign free agents using cap room, and then use their Disabled Player, Bi-Annual, Mid-Level and/or Traded Player exceptions. Consequently, the exceptions are added to their team salary (putting the team over the cap) if the team is under the cap and adding the exceptions puts them over the cap. If a team is already over the cap, then the exceptions are not added to their team salary. There would be no point in doing so, since there is no cap room for signing free agents.

So being under the cap does not necessarily mean a team has room to sign free agents. For example, assume the cap is $49.5 million, and a team has $43 million committed to salaries. They also have a Mid-Level exception for $5 million and a Traded Player exception for $5.5 million. Even though their salaries put them $6.5 million under the cap, their exceptions are added to their salaries, putting them at $53.5 million, or $4 million over the cap. So they actually have no cap room to sign free agents, and instead must use their exceptions.

Teams have the option of renouncing their exceptions in order to claim the cap room. So in the example above, if the team renounced their Traded Player and Mid-Level exceptions, then the $10.5 million is taken off their team salary, which then totals $43 million, leaving them with $6.5 million of cap room which can then be used to sign free agent(s).

- - -

The Disabled Player, Bi-Annual, Mid-Level and Traded Player exceptions may be lost entirely, or the team may never receive them to begin with. This happens when their team salary is so low that when the exceptions are added to the team salary, the sum is still below the salary cap. If the team salary is below this level when the exception arises, then the team doesn't get the exception. If the team salary ever drops below this level during the year, then any exceptions they had are lost.

For example, with a $49.5 million salary cap, assume it's the offseason, and a team has $41 million committed to salaries, along with a Mid-Level exception for $5 million, a Traded Player exception for $2.5 million, and an unrenounced free agent whose free agent amount is $2 million. Their salaries and exceptions total $50.5 million, or $1 million over the cap. What if their free agent signs with another team? The $2 million free agent amount comes off their cap, so their team salary drops to $48.5 million. This total is below the cap so the team loses its Mid-Level and Traded Player exceptions.

There is logic behind this. The whole idea behind an "exception" is that it is an exception to the rule which says a team has to be below the salary cap. In other words, an exception is a mechanism which allows a team to function above the cap. If a team isn't over the cap, then the concept of an exception is moot. Therefore, if a team's team salary ever drops this far, its exceptions go away. The effect is that a team may have either exceptions or cap room, but they can't have both.

[EricB]

Jefferson comes back at a much more acceptable price. Splitter & Anderson join.

All in all, not a bad offseason. Not great, but then again, this is not starting with the assumption that the Spurs could lure LeBron in a S&T for Jefferson's contract.


If given the choice of Jefferson or Hairston and Gee as the starting SFs, I go with Jefferson.

Bad fit yeah, but better than going in with D leaguers as your starting SF...

[Nazrat]

Anderson is 6'6" and gives us at least as much as RJ per minute.

[spursfan1000]

If given the choice of Jefferson or Hairston and Gee as the starting SFs, I go with Jefferson.

Bad fit yeah, but better than going in with D leaguers as your starting SF...


No way Spurs will end up with a D-Leaguer as a starting SF.

[Brazil]

I remember an interview of RJ saying he would consider opting out a few months ago and everybody was like: lol, wtf?, he'd crazy...

[TD 21]

From McDonald's twitter...

Hearing #spurs would be open to giving RJ a longer term deal at a per-year figure that's easier on their cap figure.

[baseline bum]

if they were all in there primes our players :lol

Their expirings were the lifeline to prying the team's title window open. They went for nought.

[jag]

How does that change Dick being one of the top 5 worse Spurs ever?



For what he made I dont think there is any question he was the worst spur ever to put on the uniform.

You're paying the bills. The Spurs didn't sign him to that contract. Why does it matter what he made? You have some of the most ridiculous logic I've ever seen in a 12 year old.

The spurs are losing talent...they will not be able to fully replace that talent with the LLE and min money.

[spursfan1000]

Anderson is 6'6" and gives us at least as much as RJ per minute.


Even though RJ's defense wasnt all that good, I don't think Anderson's defense will be better then RJ's.

[Das Texan]

Spurs are just going to start Parker, Hill and Manu and be done with it.

[Kori Ellis]

I remember an interview of RJ saying he would consider opting out a few months ago and everybody was like: lol, wtf?, he'd crazy...

He obviously wasn't happy here and is trying to secure himself a longer term deal. I don't think the Spurs will re-sign him, but anything can happen, I guess.

[Kori Ellis]

Spurs are just going to start Parker, Hill and Manu and be done with it.

That's what I said to timvp earlier.. Here comes the 3-guard lineup with Duncan and Splitter :)

[spursfan1000]

I remember an interview of RJ saying he would consider opting out a few months ago and everybody was like: lol, wtf?, he'd crazy...

he said it like a couple days before playoffs started so everyone was like WTF why is he saying this now

[Nazrat]

Even though RJ's defense wasnt all that good, I don't think Anderson's defense will be better then RJ's.

It won't be. However, for $14 million less, Anderson is a similar player with a better shooting touch.

[EricB]

No way Spurs will end up with a D-Leaguer as a starting SF.

Uh with the money they have available? Thats a very real possibility...

[spursfan1000]

That's what I said to timvp earlier.. Here comes the 3-guard lineup with Duncan and Splitter :)


When we play Lakers we are screwed.

[DAF86]

look at it this way: you're trying to clean your room and there's a pile of dog shit there. now you can throw out that dog shit and get nothing in return or keep that dog shit there stinking up your room with the slight hope that one of your friends will come in and trade you a baseball card for it half way through the year.

The thing is that pile of dog shit may be valuable for others, specially since it's a expiring.

[Das Texan]

You're paying the bills. The Spurs didn't sign him to that contract. Why does it matter what he made? You have some of the most ridiculous logic I've ever seen in a 12 year old.

The spurs are losing talent...they will not be able to fully replace that talent with the LLE and min money.



It doesnt matter what he made. For someone who actually played consistently, Dick was one of the top 5 worst spurs to ever suit up.


At least from the David Robinson era forward.

[ace3g]

STEIN_LINE_HQ

RT @SHowardCooper: Last guy w/such shocking opt out, Baron Davis, knew exactly what he was doing. Let's leave open possibility RJ knows, too

[spursfan1000]

Uh with the money they have available? Thats a very real possibility...


I very highly doubt that Spurs don't make a trade.

[Ditty]

any possibilies with josh howard for the LLE? ha

[jag]

Some possible cheap free agent small forwards the Spurs could look at if worse comes to worst: James Jones, Rasual Butler, Dorrell Wright (Heat released him I believe but he improved his game a lot last year) Antoine Wright, Quentin Richardson, Joe Alexander, Bobby Simmons, Jawad Williams, Yakhouba Diawara, Devean George (lol), Dominic McGuire, Jerry Stackhouse, Joey or Stephen Graham, Adam Morrison (lol), Jarvis Hayes...

Oh my god

[spursfan1000]

The thing is that pile of dog shit may be valuable for others, specially since it's a expiring.


:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Das Texan]

That's what I said to timvp earlier.. Here comes the 3-guard lineup with Duncan and Splitter :)



I have no problem with that.


Its 10 X better than what we had with Dick.

[JamStone]

If I'm the Spurs, I target a veteran small forward with some starting experience like James Jones or Rasual Butler if they can be had for cheap, and then throw a minimum contract at a young kid like Dominic McGuire or Dorrell Wright if they too can be had for that cheap, and hope one of the two pans out.

[spursfan1000]

any possibilies with josh howard for the LLE? ha


Josh Howard is trash.

[Dro210]

Even though RJ's defense wasnt all that good, I don't think Anderson's defense will be better then RJ's.

Yes it will, it already is

[Das Texan]

If I'm the Spurs I'm seeing if I can find a point guard.

[EricB]

If I'm the Spurs, I target a veteran small forward with some starting experience like James Jones or Rasual Butler if they can be had for cheap, and then throw a minimum contract at a young kid like Dominic McGuire or Dorrell Wright if they too can be had for that cheap, and hope one of the two pan out.

Thats all you can do I suppose.


Pray that Splitter takes the MLE as well...

[baseline bum]

I very highly doubt that Spurs don't make a trade.

They just lost their best trading piece. If you trade Parker, you might as well just blow up the entire team.

[tomtom]

Holy shit did not expect this at all. He really fucked the Spurs. I don't see much good in this.

[ducks]

brewer for the lle

[Brazil]

He obviously wasn't happy here and is trying to secure himself a longer term deal. I don't think the Spurs will re-sign him, but anything can happen, I guess.

RJ opting out is a damn surprise for me at least, I can't even see the logic for him tbh unless a team offers him a 30 M for 3,4 years ? But yes apparently he was thinking about that a long time ago.

Now we have mle lle for splitter and a SF not going to be easy.

[xellos88330]

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/jHNsX4th0rw/0.jpg

Gonna sign him now?

[jag]

It doesnt matter what he made. For someone who actually played consistently, Dick was one of the top 5 worst spurs to ever suit up.


At least from the David Robinson era forward.

Just stop

[spursfan1000]

They just lost their best trading piece. If you trade Parker, you might as well just blow up the entire team.


True, but I still doubt it, we can also trade our picks.

[Das Texan]

If Splitter wants to be in the NBA (by all accounts he does) its not like he can offer his services to 30 NBA clubs....

[EricB]

I very highly doubt that Spurs don't make a trade.


With what for what!?

[Ocotillo]

Seems to me he would be a nice fit in New York especially if they sign Amare.

[BullsDynasty]

I don't get aren't the Spurs now under the cap once Jefferson opts out? They're salary without him is 52.6 putting them 3.9 million under the cap. Can't they sign a player with 3.9 and then use the M.L.E?????

[spursfan1000]

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/jHNsX4th0rw/0.jpg

Gonna sign him now?


Whos that?

[tomtom]

If I'm the Spurs, I target a veteran small forward with some starting experience like James Jones or Rasual Butler if they can be had for cheap, and then throw a minimum contract at a young kid like Dominic McGuire or Dorrell Wright if they too can be had for that cheap, and hope one of the two pans out.

This.

The guy is talented and would fit in the Spurs system. Just pray to god they can get him otherwise I see no other potential SF's

[Das Texan]

Just stop



name 5 worse spurs who received the playing time Dick did from 1988 - present.

[spursfan1000]

With what for what!?

We could trade Parker and picks.

[JamStone]

Thats all you can do I suppose.


It could work out. Teams sometimes find players out of nowhere.

Remember what Bruce Bowen was before he was "Bruce Bowen."

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Damn...lol

[DesignatedT]

Wait......... So if RJ opting out puts us under the new salary cap that means we don't have the MLE anymore to hand out? Or am I way off?

tia

[IcemanCometh]

Dear Richard Jefferson,


Go fuck yourself you worthless piece of shit

[Shastafarian]

This.

The guy is talented and would fit in the Spurs system. Just pray to god they can get him otherwise I see no other potential SF's

Butler would be a great signing. No way they can sign him unless Splitter doesn't take up some/all of the MLE. Butler's market value is quite a bit above the LLE.

[EricB]

We could trade Parker and picks.

Awesome, then your starting point guard is Garret Temple?

Don't even say George Hill because he's not a goddamn point guard...

[Mel_13]

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Biggest Spurs story in two consecutive Junes.

[Kori Ellis]

I don't get aren't the Spurs now under the cap once Jefferson opts out? They're salary without him is 52.6 putting them 3.9 million under the cap. Can't they sign a player with 3.9 and then use the M.L.E?????

They can't use cap space and the MLE.

If they are under the cap by less than the MLE amount, then they just use the MLE.

[Spursfan092120]

Awesome, then your starting point guard is Garret Temple?

Don't even say George Hill because he's not a goddamn point guard...
Pop wants him to be a PG though..says he's the next Avery.

[spursfan1000]

Awesome, then your starting point guard is Garret Temple?

Don't even say George Hill because he's not a goddamn point guard...

Did you forget we can get a point guard in return lol?

[Spurs Brazil]

If I'm the Spurs, I target a veteran small forward with some starting experience like James Jones or Rasual Butler if they can be had for cheap, and then throw a minimum contract at a young kid like Dominic McGuire or Dorrell Wright if they too can be had for that cheap, and hope one of the two pans out.

Agree, I'd be fine with Butler/McGuire

[Stump]

There isn't much available on the SF free agent market, but we are now equipped with the huge advantage of offering a starting spot on a darkhorse contender. That's seriously a pretty big deal to a lot of free agents, even if the money situation isn't ideal. Think of how things worked out with Phoenix and Grant Hill.

[slick'81]

without rj there isnt a trade that going to make the spurs as a whole better

[EricB]

It could work out. Teams sometimes find players out of nowhere.

Remember what Bruce Bowen was before he was "Bruce Bowen."


While true, guys like Butler and others aren't known for SHUTDOWN D.

I can live with mediocre offense if you bring it like a mofo on D.

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Damn...lol
hopefully one of them can play the SF spot for say 340k

[Shastafarian]

While true, guys like Butler and others aren't known for SHUTDOWN D.

I can live with mediocre offense if you bring it like a mofo on D.

I wouldn't say Butler is "mediocre" on offense.

[spursfan1000]

hopefully one of them can play the SF spot for say 340k


:lmao

[SpursBills]

In one of the think tank threads Bruno proposed a sign-and-trade w/ NY of Jefferson for Curry and Wilson Chandler. Is this still possible? His rationale was that it would give the spurs a $10 million expiring contract to trade at the deadline and a young long three in chandler. Jefferson would get his long term deal. The knicks get a little more wiggle room under the cap to try and sign 2 max FAs.

[Juanobili]

How can this affect Tiago's decision?

This would eclipse the Scola trade if he doesnt come over lol...

[DesignatedT]

Wait......... So if RJ opting out puts us under the new salary cap that means we don't have the MLE anymore to hand out? Or am I way off?

tia

[EricB]

Agree, I'd be fine with Butler/McGuire


Yeah would be a slight silver lining I suppose.

Still though, to go from taking an expiring deal and turning it into a solid player to now praying you get a Matt Barnes or Rasual Butler is just a punch to the gut..

[Kori Ellis]

Wait......... So if RJ opting out puts us under the new salary cap that means we don't have the MLE anymore to hand out? Or am I way off?

tia

The Spurs will be either barely under or barely over the salary cap. Either way, they will still just have the MLE and LLE.

[Spurs Brazil]

Whos that?

The Gist

[Shastafarian]

Wait......... So if RJ opting out puts us under the new salary cap that means we don't have the MLE anymore to hand out? Or am I way off?

tia

The Spurs will still have the MLE, LLE, and minimum contracts to offer. Read the thread.

[jag]

name 5 worse spurs who received the playing time Dick did from 1988 - present.

I don't have to look very far.

Jacque Vaughn
Matt Bonner
Roger Mason (09-10 version)
Keith Bogans
Francisco Elson

[spursfan1000]

The Gist


Oh, I doubt he comes over. I see Hariston and a Free Agent playing SF for us next season.

[edgar]

Richard opting out :greedy calls for a championship parade of its own on Friday! See You There!

:toast

:lobt:

With that said, lets work on next order of business. What to trade Parker for?

[Spurs Brazil]

JMcDonald_SAEN

More Eley: "The Spurs will be one of those teams we talk to in this process.” #spurs
4 minutes ago via web
Todd Eley, Jefferson's agent: “It’s not an issue of not wanting to be in San Antonio. It’s maximizing as many opportunities as you can."
5 minutes ago via web

[FilSpursFan]

Did anyone remember Brent Barry coming, everyone has high expectations of him as a 3pt shooter, but his first season sucks, everyone thinks its a bad move, but later on he got used to the system and some praised him. As for RJ, I think we should give him a chance, look if he do what he's expected on the second year.

My 2 cents thought:sleep

[SOMA Spur]

Lets say NY or NJ wants to spend 40 mil over 4 years on Dick. Spurs can sign and trade and receive a 10 mil trade exemption in return. They can then go out and use that chip now to find their starting SF. I think that's how it works. I'm sure RC has some sneaky shit like this up his sleeve...

[spursfan1000]

I don't have to look very far.

Jacque Vaughn
Matt Bonner
Roger Mason (09-10 version)
Keith Bogans
Francisco Elson


I remember Elson had one nice dunk though :lol

[timvp]

Now that I think of it, if RJ signs with a team using cap space, a sign-and-trade is likely. Doing a sign-and-trade will allow the other team to save a bit of salary cap space this season. It'll then give the Spurs a large trade exception. Having a trade exception in this market is gold.

Now we have to pray that RJ is going to a team with cap space. In other words, let's hope RJ is going back to New Jersey.

[silverblk mystix]

has anybody even thought of Holt maybe prepared to go over the luxury tax again to get someone BETTER than RJ?

and someone BETTER than all the trash that has been mentioned so far for LLE prices?

Maybe Holt just wants to get better value on his splurging.

[BullsDynasty]

They can't use cap space and the MLE.

If they are under the cap by less than the MLE amount, then they just use the MLE.

:lol:lol:lol I guess i've been exploiting a glitch in NBA 2K10 the whole time.

[Amarelooms]

Dick just screwed himself and the Spurs.....gotta give the man props for giving up the cash. Maybe Cuban talked him into doing this lol

:elephant

[EricB]

I don't have to look very far.

Jacque Vaughn
Matt Bonner
Roger Mason (09-10 version)
Keith Bogans
Francisco Elson


Well done.

[baseline bum]

name 5 worse spurs who received the playing time Dick did from 1988 - present.

Not counting the 96-97 disaster, these 5 would do:

Vinny Del Negro
Steve Smith
Samaki Walker
Paul Pressey
JR Reid

[spursfan1000]

Dick just screwed himself and the Spurs.....gotta give the man props for giving up the cash. Maybe Cuban talked him into doing this lol

:elephant


Who's the one that's gonna talk Dirk into leaving Mavs? it's going to happen

[EricB]

JMcDonald_SAEN

Todd Eley, Jefferson's agent: “It’s not an issue of not wanting to be in San Antonio. It’s maximizing as many opportunities as you can."

[spursfan1000]

TP trade coming this summer to get a SF.....Batum? Wilson Chandler?.....We have a huge hole to fill.....If TP stays which I doubt I would love R Butler hes a perfect fit IMO and would likely not cost more than 2.5 pr year.


Portland has alot of pieces I think could help the Spurs out alot.

[Amarelooms]

Who's the one that's gonna talk Dirk into leaving Mavs? it's going to happen

lol at you son......I wouldn't mind seeing Dirk go play with LBJ...more than what Duncan or flopnobli can do

:elephant