Rj coming back

[pressurez]

Seems like everyone's saying they're ok with this if RJ comes back at $24M/3 yrs. Why would he do that? He was scheduled to make $15.2M this year, meaning he opted out because he didn't think next summer he could get a 2 year deal for $9M?

This is all speculation, and difficult speculation at that because nobody knows what will happen next year with the CBA, but here's my take:

First, you have to consider what RJ would earn if he hadn't opted out. Reasonable guess is he'd put together a decent season with more experience in Pop's system and garner at least a 3 year deal for the MLE. That's less than Marion, and roughly what McDyess pulled in. Add his $15.2M to roughly $17M and you get $32.2M over 4 years.

So opting out means he thinks he can find a better contract that $32.2M/4 yrs, or more than $8M a year. Let's say he's willing to take $8M a year because it's guaranteed this week as opposed to having to see how things play out next summer.

If RJ plays next season (and the three following) for $8M, he saves the Spurs $7.2M in salary and $7.2M in tax = $14.4M total this year. How does this savings factor into an equation that commits $32M over 4 years?

If the Spurs can get an average starting SF for $5M/yr they'd be paying market rate. For the 4 year life of his contract, in the first year the Spurs come out ahead $14.4M, and in the three remaining years, they'd be paying $3M over the market rate of $5M, or down a total of $9M. This means they would still be ahead $14.4M - $9M = $5.4M.

Two questions remain:

Will RJ be an average SF? Likely, though hopefully better.

Will the Spurs be willing to settle for an average SF that saves them $5.4M over market rate? Likely, as their other options are very limited. Trading RJ with a full contract is much harder than expiring. The only kind of trade that makes sense would be for someone like Turkoglu: RJ gets enough money to make opting out sensible; Toronto's willing to take him on with full contract because of a need to dump Turkoglu; the Spurs hope Turk fits better as an outside threat and ball-handler, unfortunately committed to his long-term deal.

[tuncaboylu]

Jefferson wouldn't opt-out if Spurs didn't promise him a 4 years and 32 million contract. I think it's a fair deal for both. He takes the big pay cut and we're giving him a chance.
I wouldn't mind a 4 years 32 M contract for him.

[Cheddz]

if rj comes back i will not watch a spurs game until after the trade deadline real muthafucking talk i been a spurs fan since berth no bandwagon shit if he signs back to us i will stop being a fan until he is gone

SpursTillTheEnd?

Apparently not.

[jiggy_55]

Seems like everyone's saying they're ok with this if RJ comes back at $24M/3 yrs. Why would he do that? He was scheduled to make $15.2M this year, meaning he opted out because he didn't think next summer he could get a 2 year deal for $9M?

I think he'll probably sign a 4 year deal with the Spurs, if not elsewhere. This guarantees him for the future. I'd like to think he will sign a 4 year at around 30million or a bit more and guarantee his future.
He won't have to worry about a contract next season, or any possible injury that could hurt his future. You never know with injuries or what could happen to you.

[wildbill2u]

My guess is that RJ realizes his market value is no where near $15 million or more right now so he may be interested in a longer term contract with the Spurs for less money.

We could probably see a little bit better play from him this coming year since he knows our system and the coaches know better how to use him. He's not totally useless and what other SF options are out there that are any better.?

A case of "better the devil you know" for both sides. So this could be a true story.

[Johnny RIngo]

Drew Gooden just signed for 5 yrs 32 million. i hope this prices Jefferson out of Spurs black and silver. hoping to God.

Gooden's a 28 yr old big that had a solid season(considering what was expected of him).

RJ's a 30 year old wing that just had ther worst season of his career.

[montgod]

I posted this in the other RJ thread, but it seems appropriate for some of the responses here. Richard Jefferson's response/mindset on opting out:

Coming off such a disappointing season, Jefferson likely won't be able to earn all of the money he left on the table back in a single season, but as he told FanHouse's Chris Tomasson in April, he hopes a temporary pay cut will result in long-term security. "I probably wouldn't make 15 [million dollars] some place, but you could somehow recoup some of that over a multi-year deal and get some guaranteed money for the next few years," he said. "So you figure it out. If you're able to get four years and 40 [million dollars by opting out] from someone, it's like, 'OK, I did lose out on 15 [million dollars]. But I'm going to get basically a $25 million extension.' Those are things that you think of at the end of the season.'' FanHouse.com

[Johnny RIngo]

RJ for 40 million over 4 years? God no. Way too much for a guy that can't shoot or play defense.

[Mel_13]

RJ for 40 million over 4 years? God no. Way too much for a guy that can't shoot or play defense.

That was his asking price in a public interview in April. If he has a prearranged deal with the Spurs, it will be for less than that.

[vander]

If the Spurs re-sign him, need to make it a declining contract, pay more now, since we're over the cap anyways.

4 year deal: 9-8-7-6 mil

[Agloco]

Seems like everyone's saying they're ok with this if RJ comes back at $24M/3 yrs. Why would he do that? He was scheduled to make $15.2M this year, meaning he opted out because he didn't think next summer he could get a 2 year deal for $9M?

This is all speculation, and difficult speculation at that because nobody knows what will happen next year with the CBA, but here's my take:



Exactly. His generally poor statistics would make anyone hesitant to make him such an offer next summer especially with a max contract rumored to be in the 8 million dollar range.

He might command somewhere between 2-3 million per under the new scale (assuming another season roughly similar to this one).

[galvatron3000]

I rather let RJ go than re-signing him to a big contract. Letting RJ go will hurt Spurs next year, signing him to a 4 or 5 years contract with a salary above $8M per year will hurt Spurs for a long time. S&T is the best outcome for Spurs.

I'm guessing this will be a sign and trade scenario anyway. I hope so. It would benefit both sides in my view but someone has to be willing to take Rj for the price and the Spurs need to get back a good Sf hopefully with length who can defend and shoot the 3

[jiggy_55]

I'm guessing this will be a sign and trade scenario anyway. I hope so. It would benefit both sides in my view but someone has to be willing to take Rj for the price and the Spurs need to get back a good Sf hopefully with length who can defend and shoot the 3

You guys seem to be missing the part where multiple sources confirmed RJ and Pop have been working out together in SA. That's a clear sign the Spurs want him back if true.

[Seventyniner]

You guys seem to be missing the part where multiple sources confirmed RJ and Pop have been working out together in SA. That's a clear sign the Spurs want him back if true.

But what if RJ insists on 4 yrs/$40M and the Spurs aren't willing to budge from, say, 4 yrs/$30M? Sure, the Spurs know that RJ is a better SF than any FA in the Spurs' price range, but they won't pay him anything he asks for.

If the Spurs are willing to do, say, a 4 yr/$31M contract (7, 7.5, 8, 8.5), I'd like to see the Spurs add a 5th fully non-guaranteed year on the end (for 9) like the Mavs did with Dampier; that would be a great asset for trading in 4 years.

[timvp]

Salmons just got a $40 million deal. The chances of getting RJ on the cheap are sinking.

[Vic Petro]

You guys seem to be missing the part where multiple sources confirmed RJ and Pop have been working out together in SA. That's a clear sign the Spurs want him back if true.

That's a clear sign that the Spurs thought for sure that he'd be back in this upcoming season, for a last run at a championship. Pop's working with him is no evidence they wanted him long term.

[Seventyniner]

Salmons just got a $40 million deal. The chances of getting RJ on the cheap are sinking.

From which team?

[Kori Ellis]

One small (maybe not) thing that is a factor too is that RJ is his agent's only NBA player - so he's going to want to bank as much as he can off RJ. His agent is Todd Eley, who is not a top tier agent, and only has RJ and a bunch of DLeague/Euro/fringe players (like my friend).

[Mel_13]

Salmons just got a $40 million deal. The chances of getting RJ on the cheap are sinking.

To get a deal like that elsewhere, RJ will have to find a team with cap space that wants him. Spurs can then negotiate an S&T that brings back a huge TE.

[TimmehC]

Salmons just got a $40 million deal. The chances of getting RJ on the cheap are sinking.

Wow... seller's market.

[ffadicted]

Dumb question here, since RJ opted out, we don't have bird rights, do we? Or do we? lol

[Kindergarten Cop]

Dumb question here, since RJ opted out, we don't have bird rights, do we? Or do we? lol

We do, but RJ would have to agree to any sign-and-trades. Sadly, he holds all the power right now.

[DPG21920]

That team also inked Gooden to a big contract. Use the crazy argument again spurs!

[ace3g]

Bucks

[clubalien]

:lol I said I couldn't tell but I can guarantee its not Shaq.

dirk at the LLE would be surprising.

Don't worry about confirming i don't want you to lose your source

[Creation88]

dont' worry in 3 years the Spurs will trade 3 aging stars for Salmons or Gooden.......

[SpursTillTheEnd]

so is rj coming back if he does i say fuck the spurs until he is off this team

[ohmwrecker]

so is rj coming back if he does i say fuck the spurs until he is off this team

How about you just stop posting until RJ is gone for good.

[anakha]

so is rj coming back if he does i say fuck the spurs until he is off this team

Great username/post combo.

[Fabbs]

I sure am glad Bruce Bowen for a million a year is off the team.
Spending money on RJ, :toast seeing CIA Pop work with RJ both last year and the next 2-3 years at a total of 30+ million is so much more worth it.
Spurs should be much more loyal by giving more money to RJ then that Bruce guy.


I wanna party with Pop, RJ and the PopApologists! :toast

[Interrohater]

Great username/post combo.

Haha, I was thinking the same thing :lol

[angelbelow]

No updates yet.. this is driving me crazy.. If his contract is too big (8mil+) for multiple years then that could be bad news. but if its a fair long term contract I wouldnt be against it since we wont find anyone else with his talent level... Im still not convinced that he will NEVER fit..

[Vic Petro]

No updates yet.. this is driving me crazy.. If his contract is too big (8mil+) for multiple years then that could be bad news. but if its a fair long term contract I wouldnt be against it since we wont find anyone else with his talent level... Im still not convinced that he will NEVER fit..

But was there any evidence whatsoever that he might fit one day in the future? $8m/year is nothing to sneeze at. It'd be one thing if there was a point late in the year where it clicked for him. But he was worse in the playoffs than he was in the regular season.

I guess my point is that I'm not willing to compromise the three years after 2011 just for a (very slightly) better shot at winning it all in 2011 (still a long shot even with RJ). Not that RJ would be a complete albatross, but he'd just be eating cap room and it would be a chore to move him.

[romsho]

Salmons just got a $40 million deal. The chances of getting RJ on the cheap are sinking.

Salmons is better.

[K-State Spur]

I guess my point is that I'm not willing to compromise the three years after 2011 just for a (very slightly) better shot at winning it all in 2011 (still a long shot even with RJ). Not that RJ would be a complete albatross, but he'd just be eating cap room and it would be a chore to move him.

Compromise WHAT from 2012-2014? You're talking about Duncan and Manu in decline at that point (if not already). We might have Parker - but maybe not.

Beyond that a team built around Hill, Blair, and Splitter might be solid - possibly playoff worthy, but they won't be just some cap room away from a championship.

The rebuild is coming, it happens to everyone eventually. We're very lucky as fans that we've gone roughly 20 years without a real one. If, during that time, the biggest of our concerns is RJ eating up some cap room - then we'll have it pretty good.

[Vic Petro]

Compromise WHAT from 2012-2014? You're talking about Duncan and Manu in decline at that point (if not already). We might have Parker - but maybe not.

Beyond that a team built around Hill, Blair, and Splitter might be solid - possibly playoff worthy, but they won't be just some cap room away from a championship.

The rebuild is coming, it happens to everyone eventually. We're very lucky as fans that we've gone roughly 20 years without a real one. If, during that time, the biggest of our concerns is RJ eating up some cap room - then we'll have it pretty good.

But why have that concern if you don't need to. This team has been pretty good at rebuilding on the fly. No, we wouldn't be championship contenders in 2012-2014, but why create one more hurdle to overcome to get there? I just don't think 2011 Richard Jefferson is worth it.

[angelbelow]

But was there any evidence whatsoever that he might fit one day in the future? $8m/year is nothing to sneeze at. It'd be one thing if there was a point late in the year where it clicked for him. But he was worse in the playoffs than he was in the regular season.

I guess my point is that I'm not willing to compromise the three years after 2011 just for a (very slightly) better shot at winning it all in 2011 (still a long shot even with RJ). Not that RJ would be a complete albatross, but he'd just be eating cap room and it would be a chore to move him.

Well im certainly not going to argue with you, as of right now I still dont know how I feel about him possibly resigning with us, even on the cheap.

[Spurs Brazil]

John Hollinger: I suspect that there's something pre-arranged here fro the Spurs to re-sign him for slightly more money over a much longer time period, which limits their 2011 luxury tax exposure. If there isn't then he's a fool for opting out.

[Mitch Cumsteen]

You guys aren't going to like this, but I heard $45 million over 5 years, starting at $7 million. This saves the Spurs about $20 million in salary / luxury tax this year including what they get back for being under the tax. That's a ton of cabbage. I hope to God this info is wrong, but based on the crazy numbers that scrubs like Gooden and Darko are getting, this might actually be accurate.

2010 $7M
2011 $8M
2012 $9M
2013 $10M
2014 $11M

5 years / $45 million

[ElNono]

You guys aren't going to like this, but I heard $45 million over 5 years, starting at $7 million. This saves the Spurs about $20 million in salary / luxury tax this year including what they get back for being under the tax. That's a ton of cabbage. I hope to God this info is wrong, but based on the crazy numbers that scrubs like Gooden and Darko are getting, this might actually be accurate.

2010 $7M
2011 $8M
2012 $9M
2013 $10M
2014 $11M

5 years / $45 million

http://www.elganso.es/blog/wp-includes/images/yahoo/loco.gif

[Creation88]

Richard Jefferson doesn’t have a deal with the San Antonio Spurs and would prefer to return to the New York area to play for the Knicks or Nets, league sources told Y! Sports.

Jefferson is seeking a multiyear contract that averages in the range of $8 million-$10 million, sources said. He opted out of the $15 million final season of his contract with the Spurs on Tuesday.

Jefferson has built a good relationship with Spurs coach Gregg Popovich, but doesn’t think the team’s system best fits his skills.

The Spurs could still try to sign Jefferson to a contract that lowers their luxury-tax hit, depending on what other options they find in free agency.

[Seventyniner]

You guys aren't going to like this, but I heard $45 million over 5 years, starting at $7 million. This saves the Spurs about $20 million in salary / luxury tax this year including what they get back for being under the tax. That's a ton of cabbage. I hope to God this info is wrong, but based on the crazy numbers that scrubs like Gooden and Darko are getting, this might actually be accurate.

2010 $7M
2011 $8M
2012 $9M
2013 $10M
2014 $11M

5 years / $45 million

I don't think this can happen; I thought FAs could only get 10.5% raises at the most (based on only the first year; they don't compound), so the most the salary could rise each year would be $735K given a first-year salary of $7M. And that's only when they re-sign with their current team; other FAs can only get 8% raises.

So let's tweak it to:
2010: $7M
2011: $7.7M
2012: $8.4M
2013: $9.1M
2014: $9.8M

That's still $42M, but this contract wouldn't bother me much if the last year was fully non-guaranteed, allowing the Spurs to trade him easily in that last year; it would essentially be a 4 year/$32.2M deal, which isn't great, but isn't that bad.

The best thing would be if we can sign-and-trade him to a team with cap room for a big trade exception.

[AnthonyM]

According to Woj, RJ wants to go back to the NY metro area and play for the Nets or the Knicks...

Is a sign and trade possible?

[ElNono]

lol sources

[DesignatedT]

According to Woj, RJ wants to go back to the NY metro area and play for the Nets or the Knicks...

Is a sign and trade possible?

I sure hope so.

[SenorSpur]

richard jefferson doesn’t have a deal with the san antonio spurs and would prefer to return to the new york area to play for the knicks or nets, league sources told y! Sports.

Jefferson is seeking a multiyear contract that averages in the range of $8 million-$10 million, sources said. He opted out of the $15 million final season of his contract with the spurs on tuesday.

Jefferson has built a good relationship with spurs coach gregg popovich, but doesn’t think the team’s system best fits his skills.

The spurs could still try to sign jefferson to a contract that lowers their luxury-tax hit, depending on what other options they find in free agency.

s&t^

[DPG21920]

Please be a report of a sign and trade. Also if the nets being the front runners for lebron reports are true, it makes it even less likely for rj to the nets.

[Vic Petro]

Richard Jefferson doesn’t have a deal with the San Antonio Spurs and would prefer to return to the New York area to play for the Knicks or Nets, league sources told Y! Sports.

Jefferson is seeking a multiyear contract that averages in the range of $8 million-$10 million, sources said. He opted out of the $15 million final season of his contract with the Spurs on Tuesday.

Jefferson has built a good relationship with Spurs coach Gregg Popovich, but doesn’t think the team’s system best fits his skills.

The Spurs could still try to sign Jefferson to a contract that lowers their luxury-tax hit, depending on what other options they find in free agency.

Please let this be true. I want a trade exception and bench player.

[RiverwalkParade]

According to Woj, RJ wants to go back to the NY metro area and play for the Nets or the Knicks...

Is a sign and trade possible?

RJ and Dice for Curry and Gallinari?

[benefactor]

lol sources
He must be using Texas 2 Step's source.

[lefty]

at a better contract.


According to Wojnarowski Pop has been personally working out RJ privately the last few weeks.


:) Suck it RJ haters.
Shit



This could be n epic fail in the making

[scottspurs]

Shit



This could be n epic fail in the making

Yeah those are two very conflicting reports that don't make much sense. From he is personally working out with pop to he wants to return to Metroland. Somethings got to give.

[anonoftheinternets]

jordan farmar for LLE ...

[MannyIsGod]

Sources.

:lol

GL getting anyone to believe you again Eric if this thread turns out to be wrong.

[Buddy Holly]

Sources.

:lol

GL getting anyone to believe you again Eric if this thread turns out to be wrong.

I think we all know his sources.

http://blogs.rockymountainnews.com/bridget/Ronald%20McDonald.jpg

[EricB]

Sources.

:lol

GL getting anyone to believe you again Eric if this thread turns out to be wrong.


The person works in the east side of town, so he/she is pretty close to the situation.

[angelbelow]

assuming RJ signs to a 4/5 year deal worth 40-50, that would be VERY very bad but not a complete disaster. I used to think those large contracts like Maggette's are untradable but I guess there are always stupid GMs out there.

[EricB]

I think we all know his sources.

http://blogs.rockymountainnews.com/bridget/Ronald%20McDonald.jpg



Had I said the source was Justin Timberlake you would've clapped and squealed excitedly I suppose.

[SpursTillTheEnd]

my sources tell me that tim duncan will be in this team next year along with manu, blair, hill,

lmao but on the real eric b has no sources, i already told yall he gets his info from his mama

[Creation88]

The person works in the east side of town, so he/she is pretty close to the situation.

lolololol :lmao

[DPG21920]

I just love how Eric gives Ric crap about his sources, and gives himself an out about "players changing their minds". Why can't Ric use the same excuse?

[EricB]

I just love how Eric gives Ric crap about his sources, and gives himself an out about "players changing their minds". Why can't Ric use the same excuse?


You mean like when he is asked "what changed"

and he says whats changed?

[DPG21920]

Things happen. You have no right to scoff anyone when it comes to sources. Just putting some perspective on things.

I for one am happy you have a source. I certainly hope he is wrong about RJ.

[Buddy Holly]

Had I said the source was Justin Timberlake you would've clapped and squealed excitedly I suppose.

I might have but you would still be a useless dickhead. :toast

[MannyIsGod]

So what you're saying is that your bad sources are better than other people's bad sources?

[Creation88]

UPDATE: earlier i reported that my Sources said i'd get a Whataburger #1 for lunch. Well i want to correct. The user changed his mind. I had leftover pizza. :(

[EricB]

So what you're saying is that your bad sources are better than other people's bad sources?


Im saying you don't have to read and be a dickhead about it.

Sorry you feel this way.

[Buddy Holly]

The person works in the east side of town, so he/she is pretty close to the situation.

I guess I was wrong about your source.

A newly attained picture shows EricB getting his information from his "source" on the east side.

http://www.fulloma.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/prostitute-negotiating-with-possible-customer.jpg

[EricB]

I might have but you would still be a useless dickhead. :toast


MMM, and you'd still be a worthless stalker.

[Buddy Holly]

Im saying you don't have to read and be a dickhead about it.

Sorry you feel this way.

http://rlv.zcache.com/dont_get_all_butt_hurt_t_shirt-p235675480278924898trlf_400.jpg

[Whisky Dog]

My source says this motha fucking window is closed so it doesn't matter what Jefferson does.

[Buddy Holly]

MMM, and you'd still be a worthless stalker.

Stalker of whom?

Overweight jersey collecting know-it-all wannabe's who are overly senstive and the first to talk shit and insult people but get majorly butt hurt when its thrown back at them? Nah, not my type.

[objective]

I guess I was wrong about your source.

A newly attained picture shows EricB getting his information from his "source" on the east side.

http://www.fulloma.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/prostitute-negotiating-with-possible-customer.jpg

way too slender for the east side

[Creation88]

Stalker of whom?

Overweight jersey collecting know-it-all wannabe's who are overly offensive and the first to talk shit and insult people but get majorly butt hurt when its thrown back at them? Nah, not my type.

how do i put that in my sig? :lmao

[DPG21920]

Eric, people only give you crap because you react so crazy to it and tell them to drink drain-o, then tell them not to be jerks. Then you tell them their sources suck and yours are only wrong because players change their minds.

Its simple.

[Buddy Holly]

Eric, people only give you crap because you react so crazy to it and tell them to drink drain-o, then tell them not to be jerks. Then you tell them their sources suck and yours are only wrong because players change their minds.

Its simple.

So he's an asshole who probably had a shitty childhood who likes to dish it but can't for the sake of humanity reciprocate it. :wow

[celldweller]

way too slender for the east side

More like......
http://images.chickencrap.com/images/2725.jpg

[Kori Ellis]

Okay the famous TPark vs Buddy Holly Dumb Insult Fest can stop now.

Move along.

[MannyIsGod]

Im saying you don't have to read and be a dickhead about it.

Sorry you feel this way.

:lol

Don't get upset. Take your ribbings like a man.

[MannyIsGod]

My source says this motha fucking window is closed so it doesn't matter what Jefferson does.

:(

[Buddy Holly]

Okay the famous TPark vs Buddy Holly Dumb Insult Fest can stop now.

Move along.

No problem. I'll stop messing with ol' boy. :toast

[Das Texan]

Im saying you don't have to read and be a dickhead about it.

Sorry you feel this way.



dont pound your chest like you are special or something in the process.


isnt it about time for you to quit this board again anyway?

[SpursTillTheEnd]

if eric b keeps lying about his sources im gonna clown his ass off of spurs talk

[jiggy_55]

McDonald:

http://twitter.com/JMcDonald_SAEN/status/17525528799

Just posted to mysa.com. No deal yet, but Jefferson's return to #spurs looking imminent. http://bit.ly/agdsAq

[benefactor]

lol McDonald. He's just making shit up.

[Das Texan]

McDonald:

http://twitter.com/JMcDonald_SAEN/status/17525528799

Just posted to mysa.com. No deal yet, but Jefferson's return to #spurs looking imminent. http://bit.ly/agdsAq




If McDonald said the sky was blue and the grass was green I wouldnt believe him.

[DesignatedT]

:lol

[rayray2k8]

lol McDonald. He's just making shit up.

My sources tell me that both McDonald and the thread opener are making stuff up..

lawl

[mike20spurs]

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/spurs-fans-just-when-you-thought-you-were-rid-of-richard-jefferson.php

looks like he justs wants a future with the spurs

[Borat Sagyidev]

......not..

[AFBlue]

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/spurs-fans-just-when-you-thought-you-were-rid-of-richard-jefferson.php

looks like he justs wants a future with the spurs

This is regurgitation of previous speculation.

[Kindergarten Cop]

......not..

Borat, you know you spelled your name incorrectly, right? :lol:toast

[ldhl89]

q3zmUQbdiJk

[howbouthemspurs]

The spurs didnt work RJ right .... but in the thend of the season he started to explode.. I think if he stays with the spurs he can be an amazing addition.

[sexinthatsx]

Many of you people fail to realize that RJ will be our X factor, especially with Tiago Splitter coming (most likely, anyway). If you have a lineup of Splitter, Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili, RJ would be the last person an opposing team would guard. This leaves him with a lot of room for improvement on scoring, while not having to shoulder a big load in terms of defense since there's an additional post presence.

[Blackjack]

This is regurgitation of previous speculation.

One might say: specualtin' on the specualtin'.

[ElNono]

'sources' tell me it's imminent... oh, wait a sec

[EricB]

No one forces u to read. Scroll by if it's such a pain for you.

[Ice009]

Hey Eric what is your source saying now? I mean can you still ask him stuff if anything has changed?

[My Fault]

My source says Ducks will soon come out the closet and admit his crush on Tony.

[Ice009]

I was actually asking a legit question. Can you talk to this guy again Eric and ask if he has anymore info? or doesn't it work like that?

[lefty]

My nasal source just told me that I farted

[team-work]

Will lowering his salary make RJ a better fit for the Spurs? Obviously it helps lower the expectation and pressure on him, but does not change the fact that he is not a spot-up shooter and needs a pass-first PG. Another potential benefit for Pop and RC is if he plays better than in his first year, probably the RJ trade won't become the one of worst trades in franchise history.

[Ditty]

if Rj signs for 3 years under 30 million i will take it

[Spurs Brazil]

It seems Nets is not an option for RJ


Nets may target Boozer, Lee next

If the New Jersey Nets strike out on LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh, they will likely turn their attention to acquiring a marquee big man like Amar’e Stoudemire, Carlos Boozer or David Lee, a league source said. With Stoudemire expected to sign with the New York Knicks, Boozer and Lee could be more likely targets. On top of that, the Nets also want to acquire a talented guard as well.

One key reason why the Nets would turn their focus to a big man without James, Wade or Bosh is to keep from putting too much pressure on 19-year-old rookie power forward Derrick Favors(notes), league sources said. Favors will debut for the Nets in the Orlando Summer League on Monday against the Philadelphia 76ers and their heralded rookie, Evan Turner(notes). Moreover, the Nets are still confident that they have a legitimate shot at James.


– Marc J. Spears, 10:15 p.m. ET, July 3

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Akyz2jJn8puqcUeZGjnY0re8vLYF?slug=ys-freeagentbuzz070310

[jiggy_55]

It seems Nets is not an option for RJ

No where does that article mention Jefferson, or them acquiring a small forward. It says their looking for a big man and a guard.

EDIT: MY bad, did NOT notice the "not" loool

[wut]

I think people forget, RJ was pretty solid for us in the playoffs at times. He would only grow into the system if he sticks around.

The Spurs defense took a while to come around, it would come quicker this year with both Blair and RJ knowing the system...add Splitter to the lineup and all of a sudden it's a big improvement over last season.

I really do think the team is pretty solid, however still lacks a key 3 point shooter like Morrow; but with no way to get him without trading Parker.

[HarlemHeat37]

Wait, what?..

Jefferson was playing solid basketball in the 2nd half of the season, but he was far from solid during the playoffs..

[Bruno]

It seems Nets is not an option for RJ

Nets needs a SF. They can decide to tank one more year and keep their capspace for 2011 but if they don't, I think they will sign a SF.

What is really strange is that there hasn't been a single rumor about a team interested in Jefferson.

[Mel_13]

What is really strange is that there hasn't been a single rumor about a team interested in Jefferson.

I know I'm in the minority on this, but I don't find that strange at all. RJ has to be looking for a contract offer above the MLE to begin with. I just don't see much chance that any one of the teams with cap space will make him such an offer.

His best chance might be if Miami loses Wade and none of the big FAs want to go there and they're forced to sign 30-35M in contracts just to meet minimum salary requirements.

On the FA SF pecking order, RJ is probably behind Childress, Outlaw, Mike Miller, and perhaps Korver.

There's a good chance he'll be looking for MLE offers before too long.

[HarlemHeat37]

You aren't in the minority at all..

Jefferson is an extremely tough player to fit in right now, on any team..

He was typically a high-usage player on the teams he was playing for, especially in the 2 seasons prior to joining the Spurs, where he posted a 26% and 24% usage rate..he needs the ball a high amount to be effective at all..

Teams that have Jefferson posting up those types of usage %s will likely be very bad teams, especially with his declining skills..when you're signing him, you expect him to be a #3 option at best right now, and even that is risky..if you're paying him to be a role player, like the Spurs are, you're out of luck..he doesn't defend, nor does he shoot well..

Jefferson is best suited as a 6th man right now, and how will a 6th man of his caliber receive the money he seems to want?..it won't happen, unless a team is extremely incompetent IMO..

[lurker23]

I'm not surprised that there haven't been any Jefferson rumors, but I have different reasons:

a.) Teams with a lot of cap space are focusing on LeBron, Wade, and the like, so they aren't going to admit to being interested in RJ until those names are gone.

b.) RJ was a surprise addition to the FA class, so teams who knew they'd have to be focusing on second tier players didn't have him on their radar.

After the big names make their decisions, I expect the market for RJ to heat up, and honestly I'll be surprised if it doesn't.

[AFBlue]

I'm not surprised that there haven't been any Jefferson rumors, but I have different reasons:

a.) Teams with a lot of cap space are focusing on LeBron, Wade, and the like, so they aren't going to admit to being interested in RJ until those names are gone.

b.) RJ was a surprise addition to the FA class, so teams who knew they'd have to be focusing on second tier players didn't have him on their radar.

After the big names make their decisions, I expect the market for RJ to heat up, and honestly I'll be surprised if it doesn't.

Agreed on all points. I think we're in for a long summer as it relates to the RJ situation.

[Blackjack]

FWIW, Don Harris also reported that a league source of his has confirmed that the Nets are indeed interested in bringing back RJ should they miss out in free-agency (and I hope that means a trade exception is in order).

[lurker23]

FWIW, Don Harris also reported that a league source of his has confirmed that the Nets are indeed interested in bringing back RJ should they miss out in free-agency (and I hope that means a trade exception is in order).

Thanks for the updates! I hope so too. BTW, where are you getting these reports?

[Blackjack]

Thanks for the updates! I hope so too. BTW, where are you getting these reports?

Local telecast. Don Harris said it in his sportscast.

[benefactor]

FWIW, Don Harris also reported that a league source of his has confirmed that the Nets are indeed interested in bringing back RJ should they miss out in free-agency (and I hope that means a trade exception is in order).
Thanks for the update. :tu

[lurker23]

Local telecast. Don Harris said it in his sportscast.

Thanks, figured as much; just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing out on some tell-all website. :)

[Kindergarten Cop]

FWIW, Don Harris also reported that a league source of his has confirmed that the Nets are indeed interested in bringing back RJ should they miss out in free-agency (and I hope that means a trade exception is in order).


Thanks for the updates! I hope so too. BTW, where are you getting these reports?

I agree. Thanks Blackjack for the updates!:toast

[Cane]

Local telecast. Don Harris said it in his sportscast.

Sorry if its old but I checked to see if had a twitter account and here's what he said July 1st that could be related:




DonHarris4WOAI

Spurs, Jefferson "not close" according to sources.

http://twitter.com/DonHarris4WOAI

[Blackjack]

Sorry if its old but I checked to see if had a twitter account and here's what he said July 1st that could be related:

Yeah, I saw that. This was new. I'm sure it'll show up on the WOAI page or some such sooner or later.

[Budkin]

Please GTFO. One of the biggest free agent busts ever.

[Manufan909]

So the official word right now is RJ opted out, and there has been nothing conclusive since? Just the smoke and mirrors of the Nets wanting him back and Pop working out a longer, cheaper-per-year contract, am I right?

Someone who has timvp's ear should mention that the 2 or so big RJ threads need to be merged.

[Blackjack]

So the official word right now is RJ opted out, and there has been nothing conclusive since? Just the smoke and mirrors of the Nets wanting him back and Pop working out a longer, cheaper-per-year contract, am I right?

RJ opted out and we're not going to know what happens with him until the big-time free-agents make their commitments -- he's a bottom-feeder looking for scraps (which could turn out to be a good-sized meal in this market).

Don Harris confirmed through an NBA source that the Nets would have interest if they were unable to land a big-time free-agent or still had a spot for RJ when the dust cleared. So, as a Spurs fan, you've just got to hope the Nets have a spot open for RJ when it's all said and done and that the Spurs can get themselves a a good-sized trade exception via sign-and-trade.

[KaiRMD1]

I truly hope he can improve.

[montgod]

FWIW, Don Harris also reported that a league source of his has confirmed that the Nets are indeed interested in bringing back RJ should they miss out in free-agency (and I hope that means a trade exception is in order).

I wonder why when they have a pretty nice SF in T Williams?

[wut]

Please GTFO. One of the biggest free agent busts ever.

While that may be true, it still doesn't fill our starting SF spot by letting him leave.

[Obstructed_View]

The simple fact that there's not already a deal in place is sign enough that RJ's willing to leave the Spurs to follow the money. That's just the reality. If there's some advantage to the Spurs doing a sign-and-trade, and if it's likely the Spurs can do it then that's what I'm hoping for. I don't see RJ as a good fit and another several years of having him here isn't going to change that IMO.

[polandprzem]

What's the date of him coming back?


:)

[anakha]

What's the date of him coming back?


:)

TPark's source should know.

[E-RockWill]

TPark's source should know.

Zing!

[da_suns_fan]

New York might make him a stupid offer if their Plans A, B and C fall through.


Theyre desperate.

[TJastal]

The simple fact that there's not already a deal in place is sign enough that RJ's willing to leave the Spurs to follow the money. That's just the reality. If there's some advantage to the Spurs doing a sign-and-trade, and if it's likely the Spurs can do it then that's what I'm hoping for. I don't see RJ as a good fit and another several years of having him here isn't going to change that IMO.

But according to Pop's logic he'll eventually fit as long as Pop keeps hammering away .. even if he's a mangled bloody pulp by god he'll fit and it will because of all the bone crushing, flesh emancipating blows before it :)

[ceperez]

But according to Pop's logic he'll eventually fit as long as Pop keeps hammering away .. even if he's a mangled bloody pulp by god he'll fit and it will because of all the bone crushing, flesh emancipating blows before it :)


Agree 100%! If he stays, he'll fit whether he likes it or not!

[EricB]

TPark's source should know.


The stalker returns.

[anakha]

The stalker returns.

Haven't checked this thread in a while, actually. Don't flatter yourself. :lol

So what's the latest from your source?

[Spurs Brazil]

JMcDonald_SAEN
Now starting at forward for your San Antonio Spurs ... @varner48MoH sign and trade market for Richard Jefferson is shrinking fast....ugh

[objective]

Spurs should let him twist a little. Offer him 2 years, 8 million total.

[rayray2k8]

Is he back yet?

[coyotes_geek]

not yet, but it's getting closer.

[Bruno]

Time to S&T RJ to Cavs:
Spurs get Mike Miller(S&T) and Jamario Moon(S&T) for RJ
Cavs get RJ (S&T) for Jamario Moon and Delonte West
Wizards get Delonte West for Mike Miller (S&T)

That's the basis of the trade, some tweaks need to be done:
- Some incentives (cash + picks) coming from Spurs and/or Cavs should also go to Wizards. They will waive West whose contract is only $500K guaranteed.
- Moon can be substitute by Shaq (S&T) if Spurs wants it.
- Spurs could also trade some of their players with a non-guaranteed contract to match salaries.

Go it RC. :smokin

[Vic Petro]

Suns just got a major TE for Amare. Perhaps they'd be willing to part with some of it for RJ.

[DesignatedT]

Time to S&T RJ to Cavs:
Spurs get Mike Miller(S&T) and Jamario Moon(S&T) for RJ
Cavs get RJ (S&T) for Jamario Moon and Delonte West
Wizards get Delonte West for Mike Miller (S&T)

That's the basis of the trade, some tweaks need to be done:
- Some incentives (cash + picks) coming from Spurs and/or Cavs should also go to Wizards. They will waive West whose contract is only $500K guaranteed.
- Moon can be substitute by Shaq (S&T) if Spurs wants it.
- Spurs could also trade some of their players with a non-guaranteed contract to match salaries.

Go it RC. :smokin

this would be legit.

[coyotes_geek]

The knicks are going to screw up any Mike Miller scenarios for us.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67989/20100708/knicks_will_go_after_mike_miller_if_lebron_goes_el sewhere/

[Blackjack]

Time to S&T RJ to Cavs:
Spurs get Mike Miller(S&T) and Jamario Moon(S&T) for RJ
Cavs get RJ (S&T) for Jamario Moon and Delonte West
Wizards get Delonte West for Mike Miller (S&T)

That's the basis of the trade, some tweaks need to be done:
- Some incentives (cash + picks) coming from Spurs and/or Cavs should also go to Wizards. They will waive West whose contract is only $500K guaranteed.
- Moon can be substitute by Shaq (S&T) if Spurs wants it.
- Spurs could also trade some of their players with a non-guaranteed contract to match salaries.

Go it RC. :smokin

First thing that came to mind after learning of that dude's decision. Not for Miller but for the hope of a trade exception.


When Cavs renounce LeBron, which I assume is very soon, they'll have $9 million in cap space. Can get to 13M by releasing D. West.

Get 'er done, RC (and, Bruno, find me a way to get Martell Webster :downspin:).

[EricB]

Bump

[slick'81]

Bump


nice one EB

[EricB]

Anahka?

Nothing?

[anakha]

Anahka?

Nothing?

Congrats for finally getting one turd to stick against the wall? :lol

[montgod]

So just curious EricB... who are the Spurs interested in for the LLE? Or has that player already been signed by someone else?

[ElNono]

Congrats Wojnarowski...

[AFBlue]

So what are the terms of the deal? How many years?

[Mark in Austin]

Time to S&T RJ to Cavs:
Spurs get Mike Miller(S&T) and Jamario Moon(S&T) for RJ
Cavs get RJ (S&T) for Jamario Moon and Delonte West
Wizards get Delonte West for Mike Miller (S&T)

That's the basis of the trade, some tweaks need to be done:
- Some incentives (cash + picks) coming from Spurs and/or Cavs should also go to Wizards. They will waive West whose contract is only $500K guaranteed.
- Moon can be substitute by Shaq (S&T) if Spurs wants it.
- Spurs could also trade some of their players with a non-guaranteed contract to match salaries.

Go it RC. :smokin

How do we get this under his nose? Send it to Ludden? Local media (shudder)? email [email protected]?

[benefactor]

Congrats Wojnarowski...
:tu

[EricB]

Congrats Wojnarowski...


:lol

Another one butthurt

[ohmwrecker]

Why is Mike Miller better than Jefferson again?

[DPG21920]

:lol

Another one butthurt

You started it.

[DPG21920]

Why is Mike Miller better than Jefferson again?

Because he can dribble, pass and shoot.

[ElNono]

:lol
Another one butthurt

Meanwhile, in the OP:


According to Wojnarowski Pop has been personally working out RJ privately the last few weeks.

I'm glad you had a laugh with it though... :lol

[benefactor]

You started it.

at a better contract.


According to Wojnarowski Pop has been personally working out RJ privately the last few weeks.


:) Suck it RJ haters.
He sure did...and named his source right there in the OP. Well played, TPark.

[benefactor]

Meanwhile, in the OP:

Great minds. :)

[ElNono]

Great minds. :)

lol

[ohmwrecker]

Because he can dribble, pass and shoot.

I will concede that Miller is a better ball handler and 3pt shooter, but RJ is a better rebounder, finisher at the rim and I don't think I've ever seen Miller block a shot.

[DPG21920]

I don't think RJ is a better rebounder or passer or ball handler or shooter. He does finish better though.

[ohmwrecker]

I don't think RJ is a better rebounder or passer or ball handler or shooter. He does finish better though.

I said RJ can rebound, block and finish better than Miller. Or, are you making some kind of vague gay joke?

[DPG21920]

I said RJ does not rebound better.

RJ's PER 36 minute blocks: .4 per game

Mike Miller: .3 per game

[DPG21920]

Only thing he does better is finish. Other than that, Miller does everything as good or significantly better.

[ohmwrecker]

Only thing he does better is finish. Other than that, Miller does everything as good or significantly better.

Significantly? I don't know . . . maybe. Mike Miller isn't going to play for the Spurs this year and he will make more $ than RJ from whoever signs him. It's a pointless argument.

[DPG21920]

I know, you just asked a question and I answered it is all.

[ohmwrecker]

I know, you just asked a question and I answered it is all.

:hat

[MannyIsGod]

Bump

Oh give me a fucking break. You luck out because no one else ends up offering him money and you have the nerve to bump this?

:lmao

You really don't get why you get so much shit on this forum, do you?

[EricB]

Don't really care. It's a personah online thing and nothing else..

But the info i had was legit. Luck whatever, it was legit and I appreciated having and thought it would be cool to share.

[Whisky Dog]

Lmao, this wasn't from some source a week and a half ago, this shit just got decided because the FA money is drying up.

[Spurs Brazil]

Don Harris
Richard Jefferson will hit town Monday, and the Spurs could have him locked up to a new longterm deal by Tuesday.
http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Soon-to-be-Spur-Tiago-Splitter-house-hunting-in-SA/25xyiNfeh0O_rAWaEaBCDA.cspx

[Spurs Brazil]

JMcDonald_SAEN
Nothing much brewing on RJ front today, although sources maintain his return to #spurs a matter of time.

[024]

i hope he gets a splitter-type amazing deal. anything more than 3yrs/$20 million would be pushing it.

[DAF86]

I can deal with RJ coming back, but they need to work with him on his three point shooting.

[TDMVPDPOY]

i hope he gets a splitter-type amazing deal. anything more than 3yrs/$20 million would be pushing it.

fail

he gave up 15m to sign 3/20m? drop the crack pipe

[polandprzem]

Don't really care. It's a personah online thing and nothing else..

But the info i had was legit. Luck whatever, it was legit and I appreciated having and thought it would be cool to share.

We believe you

No worries















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[ElNono]

Don Harris
Richard Jefferson will hit town Monday, and the Spurs could have him locked up to a new longterm deal by Tuesday.

Well, Don... that didn't work out.

What's up with this guy?

Are the Spurs waiting to see who else they sign with the rest of the MLE to work out a contract that doesn't put them over the tax?
Are they lowballing him now that no other team seem interested?

Anybody have any updates?

[slick'81]

yeah its been real quiet when it comes to dick jefferson

[HarlemHeat37]

He's probably in shock that nobody wants him..he's still taking it in that his stock has fallen so much..

Holt and the front office are probably in tears, since they pretty much have to sign him to a multi-year deal, which will be a failure either way, but I guess there is no better option..

Both sides are saddened..give them time..

[ElNono]

Any news from the sources? :lol

[ElNono]

BTW, it would be Bonzi Wells-esque if he gets a contract for about $15m

[slick'81]

He's probably in shock that nobody wants him..he's still taking it in that his stock has fallen so much..

Holt and the front office are probably in tears, since they pretty much have to sign him to a multi-year deal, which will be a failure either way, but I guess there is no better option..

Both sides are saddened..give them time..


for shoo spurs are just delaying the inevitable what a shame

[Brazil]

we can say whatever we want, RJ is the best option spurs have right now. I really hope they find an agreement quickly

[Spursmania]

I agree with Brazil. Sign him and do it now. There aren't a lot of options that are better out there. They need to get this done.

[DesignatedT]

Spurs will definitely be worse off without RJ. They need to sign him up quickly and hopefully they can do it for 3 years. I was impressed with RJ's improvements on the defensive side of the ball as the season progressed. He rebounded well and is still a big strong athletic body. Offensively they're definitely problems but it won't get any worse, everyone knows players significantly improve after there 1st season with the Spurs. He might not be the best fit, but he is by far the best player available at that position.

[ElNono]

I'm not saying they don't need to do it, I'm wondering what's the delay... I'm also wondering if they're lowballing him now that nobody wants to have him.

I mean, if the Spurs asked him to opt out, then I can see a pre-arranged deal, but I haven't read anywhere that they did.

[ducks]

spurs have a low offer on him
why offer more no one wants him

[DesignatedT]

I'm not saying they don't need to do it, I'm wondering what's the delay... I'm also wondering if they're lowballing him now that nobody wants to have him.

I mean, if the Spurs asked him to opt out, then I can see a pre-arranged deal, but I haven't read anywhere that they did.

Could be a lot of things. I definitely could see the Spurs trying to low ball him a little on years or I could see RJ wanting to wait it out for that offer from new jersey to somehow appear.

[ElNono]

spurs have a low offer on him
why offer more no one wants him

Well, if they had something pre-arranged, then you honor that.
The question is wether they did have something, or RJ simply thought he would fetch good value out there and it backfired.

[DesignatedT]

I don't think the Spurs and RJ had anything pre arranged. I don't think the Spurs objected to RJ opting out and then told him they would like to have him back. IMO it's RJ who is trying to delay this thing. Spurs need to re-sign them and they know this.

[ducks]

Well, if they had something pre-arranged, then you honor that.
The question is wether they did have something, or RJ simply thought he would fetch good value out there and it backfired.

they did not atleast publically they acted surprise


if they had a prearranged deal they would have already got it done

[barbacoataco]

Since when did we all decide to pretend that we forgot RJ doesn't fit into the Spurs system and basically sucks. Even at his best last year he wasn't anything special. Crap defense. He quit shooting 3ptrs completely even though he was supposedly a 40% 3ptr. I just don't see why everyone on this board wants him back. I know the Spurs don't have another proven SF but anyone would be better than limpy dicky. IMO the Spurs FO should be doing cartwheels that he opted out. The fact that no other team wants him proves that he really isn't that good.

[DesignatedT]

Since when did we all decide to pretend that we forgot RJ doesn't fit into the Spurs system and basically sucks. Even at his best last year he wasn't anything special. Crap defense. He quit shooting 3ptrs completely even though he was supposedly a 40% 3ptr. I just don't see why everyone on this board wants him back. I know the Spurs don't have another proven SF but anyone would be better than limpy dicky. IMO the Spurs FO should be doing cartwheels that he opted out. The fact that no other team wants him proves that he really isn't that good.

link?

[barbacoataco]

link?

Ok, maybe it's not a fact. But if another team outbids the Spurs and snatches RJ from our clutches I won't be crying.

[ElNono]

Ok, maybe it's not a fact. But if another team outbids the Spurs and snatches RJ from our clutches I won't be crying.

Neither will the Spurs if they can snatch a big fat trade exception...

[MaNu4Tres]

Neither will the Spurs if they can snatch a big fat trade exception...

And get who?

[MannyIsGod]

And get who?

From who is the better question.

[MaNu4Tres]

From who is the better question.

My point exactly.

Jefferson is the best option clearly.

[ElNono]

And get who?

Wait for February and see who is available...

In the meantime you go along with the current plan, get Jones or Butler or whoever, and play Hairston in the wing...

[ElNono]

Jefferson is the best option clearly.

Rj is the best option if you don't have to sign him up on a 5 year deal, or if he wants more than what the Spurs are willing to pay for him (ie: puts them over the tax line).

[barbacoataco]

My point exactly.

Jefferson is the best option clearly.

Jefferson's defense is too weak to be the player the Spurs need him to be. If the Spurs are in the WC finals against the Lakers next year do you really want RJ defending Kobe?

[ElNono]

And BTW the argument here was 'if somebody outbids the Spurs' for him...

[AFBlue]

Rj is the best option if you don't have to sing him up on a 5 year deal, or if he wants more than what the Spurs are willing to pay for him (ie: puts them over the tax line).

Agreed...but based on the lack of interest, it appears the Spurs will be able to limit the number of years and the overall salary on the contract. I don't see anyone offering a 5yr contract at this point.

Let's hope that remains the case.

[ElNono]

Agreed...but based on the lack of interest, it appears the Spurs will be able to limit the number of years and the overall salary on the contract. I don't see anyone offering a 5yr contract at this point.

Let's hope that remains the case.

Right

[My Fault]

Wait for February and see who is available...

In the meantime you go along with the current plan, get Jones or Butler or whoever, and play Hairston in the wing...

By then half the season is done.

[MaNu4Tres]

Rj is the best option if you don't have to sing him up on a 5 year deal, or if he wants more than what the Spurs are willing to pay for him (ie: puts them over the tax line).

6-7 million a year is great value for Jefferson, especially with his capable ceiling being an all around versatile player, who has the ability to stretch the floor like he's done for several years outside the last 4 months of last season.

If Jefferson gets a 5th year it will be a team option, which is essentially a 4 year deal. Worse case scenario, his 6-7 million dollar salary is very tradeable compared to what other SF's with similar (not identical) skills are being paid (Deng, Igoudala, Butler).

Jefferson needs to be resigned.

[ElNono]

6-7 million a year is great value for Jefferson, especially with his capable ceiling being an all around versatile player, who has the ability to stretch the floor like he's done for several years outside the last 4 months of last season.

If Jefferson gets a 5th year it will be a team option, which is essentially a 4 year deal. Worse case scenario, his 6-7 million dollar salary is very tradeable compared to what other SF's with similar (not identical) skills are being paid (Deng, Igoudala, Butler).

Jefferson needs to be resigned.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Spurs are offering 3 years at $6m each, with a 4th being a team option. Again, if nobody really wants him, they're not going to outbid themselves. Which would explain the delay too, since he opted out of $15m to be offered $18m guaranteed.

And really, in an offseason when you have a lot of teams with cap room and they don't even want to look at him, what trade value are you exactly talking about?

I really have no problem with him coming back. But, in the scenario that was being talked about,, some other team outbids the Spurs, I'm sure they'll be happy to take a TE and look ahead.

[MaNu4Tres]

Jefferson's defense is too weak to be the player the Spurs need him to be.

The horrible defensive notion on Jefferson is vastly over exaggerated by the masses of yes men on this site. Jefferson by no means is an all-NBA defender(he lacks the Bowen-like foot speed and lateral quickness; but his defense off the ball and on the ball defense vs. bigger wings (Pierce, Melo, ect. is better than average). He is not a horrible defender and he showed significant progress after the All-Star break especially.



If the Spurs are in the WC finals against the Lakers next year do you really want RJ defending Kobe?

Please name me all the available players able to defend Kobe. (Realistically) Heck name me 3 players in the whole league that are able to guard Kobe one on one?

I swear half of the masses act like Bowen is available. Bowen isn't walking through that door. Stopping Kobe is going to have to be because of team defense, like the Celtics for instance. (Just in case you to throw out your Tony Allen card; the guy only played 14 minutes out of 48 per game in the Finals)...Meaning....

Team defense will have to and can win the battle vs. Kobe and it will have to be the case again whether Jefferson is here or not.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Since when did we all decide to pretend that we forgot RJ doesn't fit into the Spurs system and basically sucks. Even at his best last year he wasn't anything special. Crap defense. He quit shooting 3ptrs completely even though he was supposedly a 40% 3ptr. I just don't see why everyone on this board wants him back. I know the Spurs don't have another proven SF but anyone would be better than limpy dicky. IMO the Spurs FO should be doing cartwheels that he opted out. The fact that no other team wants him proves that he really isn't that good.

Ah, ignorance is bliss. RJ was the best #4 option the Spurs have had in the Tim Duncan era in terms of scoring average. He also rebounded better than any small forward in the Duncan era besides Hedo Turkolu. His defense improved during the last part of the season and he has worked with Pop during the off season, not to mention the "whole year in the Spurs system" under his belt. He shot his career average from the field and was 3% below his career average from 3 point distance. Would I rather have Bowen in his prime-sure. But to jump on this "RJ didn't fit with the Spurs" mantra is simply ignoring the facts. Even though the Spurs might not have played the best type of offense for RJ he managed to adjust adequately for a #4 OPTION! Geez, what do you people expect from a #4 option, 20 points a game? Guess what. Then he's a #1 or #2 option!!!!

[ElNono]

By then half the season is done.

Yes

[buttsR4rebounding]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Spurs are offering 3 years at $6m each, with a 4th being a team option. Again, if nobody really wants him, they're not going to outbid themselves. Which would explain the delay too, since he opted out of $15m to be offered $18m guaranteed.

And really, in an offseason when you have a lot of teams with cap room and they don't even want to look at him, what trade value are you exactly talking about?

I really have no problem with him coming back. But, in the scenario that was being talked about,, some other team outbids the Spurs, I'm sure they'll be happy to take a TE and look ahead.

If another team outbids the Spurs we likely don't get the TE. Then we are screwed. Geez...:bang

[ElNono]

If another team outbids the Spurs we likely don't get the TE. Then we are screwed. Geez...:bang

Well, I said IF they get a trade exception, not that it's guaranteed that they will...

[Sausage]

ChrisMannixSI

Contrary to some reports, Richard Jefferson does not have any kind of deal in place with Spurs to return for more years at lesser salary

ChrisMannixSI

I'm told Jefferson is open to returning to SA but his first priority is a long term deal at the best annual salary he can get.

[ElNono]

I guess the 'Congrats Woj' was a bit premature...

[silverblk mystix]

Jefferson's defense is too weak to be the player the Spurs need him to be. If the Spurs are in the WC finals against the Lakers next year do you really want RJ defending Kobe?


If you look at the last time the spurs/lakers played---it was in LA and the spurs pulled off a convincing one-sided win...it appeared that Pop had figured out a few things that worked really well;

#1) believe it or not (re-watch the game) ---Bonner was put on Artest and he more than held his own---in fact he pretty much took Artest out of the game...

#2) RJ guarded Odumb and he dominated Odumb on defense and on offense

#3) Kobe was bothered by Bogans and Manu---but more by the team defense

this was a game the lakers really wanted and the spurs had a 20 point lead at one time and looked like they were going to --at least---give the lakers a good run in the playoffs....

until Phoenix proved to be a matchup nighmare and G.Hill wet the bed against Nash...

[ElNono]

If you look at the last time the spurs/lakers played---it was in LA and the spurs pulled off a convincing one-sided win...it appeared that Pop had figured out a few things that worked really well;

#1) believe it or not (re-watch the game) ---Bonner was put on Artest and he more than held his own---in fact he pretty much took Artest out of the game...

#2) RJ guarded Odumb and he dominated Odumb on defense and on offense

#3) Kobe was bothered by Bogans and Manu---but more by the team defense

this was a game the lakers really wanted and the spurs had a 20 point lead at one time and looked like they were going to --at least---give the lakers a good run in the playoffs....

until Phoenix proved to be a matchup nighmare and G.Hill wet the bed against Nash...

Bynum missed that game...

[silverblk mystix]

Bynum missed that game...


Even though Bynum did not play---the spurs had a 20 point lead and the spurs had earlier lost to a lakers team minus kobe---so it was still a great win and a convincing one...

[ElNono]

Even though Bynum did not play---the spurs had a 20 point lead and the spurs had earlier lost to a lakers team minus kobe---so it was still a great win and a convincing one...

It was a great win and this was while Manu was peaking... but you can't pretend this would have played out the same in the playoffs, especially with one of their 7 footers missing...

In the two games be beat the Lakers last season they were missing either Gasol or Bynum.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Told ya. I knew this all along. Everyone just assumed RJ was coming back, but to me it made no sense given that he was mostly a poor fit for us. A decent stretch run in the regular season, and a couple of nice playoff games does not erase the fact he's a poor fit.

He could still return, but if he does i suspect it will be yet another "how the fuck did they do that?" contract like Splitter's. Personally, I hope he doesn't come back, we sign Butler, and let the youth play.

[barbacoataco]

Told ya. I knew this all along. Everyone just assumed RJ was coming back, but to me it made no sense given that he was mostly a poor fit for us. A decent stretch run in the regular season, and a couple of nice playoff games does not erase the fact he's a poor fit.

He could still return, but if he does i suspect it will be yet another "how the fuck did they do that?" contract like Splitter's. Personally, I hope he doesn't come back, we sign Butler, and let the youth play.

I posted some similar takes and they jumped on me like a dumbass newbie who doesn't realize how great Jefferson is.

[MaNu4Tres]

I posted some similar takes and they jumped on me like a dumbass newbie who doesn't realize how great Jefferson is.

:lol

Please let me know where I tried to get you to realize the "greatness" of Jefferson in this post...


The horrible defensive notion on Jefferson is vastly over exaggerated by the masses of yes men on this site. Jefferson by no means is an all-NBA defender(he lacks the Bowen-like foot speed and lateral quickness; but his defense off the ball and on the ball defense vs. bigger wings (Pierce, Melo, ect. is better than average). He is not a horrible defender and he showed significant progress after the All-Star break especially.



Please name me all the available players able to defend Kobe. (Realistically) Heck name me 3 players in the whole league that are able to guard Kobe one on one?

I swear half of the masses act like Bowen is available. Bowen isn't walking through that door. Stopping Kobe is going to have to be because of team defense, like the Celtics for instance. (Just in case you to throw out your Tony Allen card; the guy only played 14 minutes out of 48 per game in the Finals)...Meaning....

Team defense will have to and can win the battle vs. Kobe and it will have to be the case again whether Jefferson is here or not.

[Obstructed_View]

I posted some similar takes and they jumped on me like a dumbass newbie who doesn't realize how great Jefferson is.

Actually you said that Jefferson blows and nobody argued.

[barbacoataco]

:lol

Please let me know where I tried to get you to realize the "greatness" of Jefferson in this post...

I think a little time has passed and you have forgotten what it is like watching RJ. Do you really want another 3-4 years of that? Come on. I would rather watch Hairston or Anderson or some other young player try and fail than watch RJ and his crap. He is just such a soft player with no heart. The way he quit even trying to shoot 3 ptrs, and this is a guy who has shot quite a few over the years, as the season went on. It was like he just got too scared. You don't want a player like that on the Spurs. The Spurs!!!

[Obstructed_View]

Told ya. I knew this all along. Everyone just assumed RJ was coming back, but to me it made no sense given that he was mostly a poor fit for us. A decent stretch run in the regular season, and a couple of nice playoff games does not erase the fact he's a poor fit.

He could still return, but if he does i suspect it will be yet another "how the fuck did they do that?" contract like Splitter's. Personally, I hope he doesn't come back, we sign Butler, and let the youth play.

That pretty much sums it up. Eating that one year of his contract was a decent enough gamble, and if they walk away from it without having to pay him it's probably not the end of the world. Maybe you take a chance on him at a reduced rate like you suggest above and take the same sort of gamble that he'll improve as his comfort level rises. A little more consistency from RJ at a pretty cheap contract makes him an attractive option for the vet everyone seems to think the Spurs need.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

That pretty much sums it up. Eating that one year of his contract was a decent enough gamble, and if they walk away from it without having to pay him it's probably not the end of the world. Maybe you take a chance on him at a reduced rate like you suggest above and take the same sort of gamble that he'll improve as his comfort level rises. A little more consistency from RJ at a pretty cheap contract makes him an attractive option for the vet everyone seems to think the Spurs need.

It's nice when you've grown up and can see through the hype to the way the world really works, isn't it? ;)

I enjoy ST a lot more now that I ignore the chaff and concentrate on the wheat. There is so much bullshit flying around the internet in general (and ST is no exception) that it is far better to do your own research and trust your own analysis/instincts, and the analysis/instincts of those you respect (like some of the good posters here) than to believe what the masses trot out in their often unfounded hopefulness and 'faith' that things will happen they way they want them to. :lol

The moment RJ opted out the entire Spurs franchise high-fived each other. He was worth a shot last year, but it didn't work out, and he clearly doesn't fit the team or the system, so the opt-out was an easy solution to the Spurs' problem of what to do with him. If he re-signs for cheap, great, if he can be S&Ted, great, if he leaves with no compensation it's no great issue... as long as we sign Butler!

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

It's nice when you've grown up and can see through the hype to the way the world really works, isn't it? ;)

I enjoy ST a lot more now that I ignore the chaff and concentrate on the wheat. There is so much bullshit flying around the internet in general (and ST is no exception) that it is far better to do your own research and trust your own analysis/instincts, and the analysis/instincts of those you respect (like some of the good posters here) than to believe what the masses trot out in their often unfounded hopefulness and 'faith' that things will happen they way they want them to. :lol

The moment RJ opted out the entire Spurs franchise high-fived each other. He was worth a shot last year, but it didn't work out, and he clearly doesn't fit the team or the system, so the opt-out was an easy solution to the Spurs' problem of what to do with him. If he re-signs for cheap, great, if he can be S&Ted, great, if he leaves with no compensation it's no great issue... as long as we sign Butler!

I agree with most of what you've said, but how does signing Butler make the Spurs a better team than signing RJ or signing RJ AND Butler for that matter?

[Man In Black]

I agree with most of what you've said, but how does signing Butler make the Spurs a better team than signing RJ or signing RJ AND Butler for that matter?

I'm a bit leery of just going in with Butler. The Spurs need someone who guards opposing scorers with a bit of tenacity and I don't see that in Butler yet, then again I didn't see that in RJ as well. Perhaps having them fight like dogs in practice will instill that needed tenacity. I hope HAT(Hairston, Anderson, Temple) are up to the task of killer bench mob. :hat

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I'm a bit leery of just going in with Butler. The Spurs need someone who guards opposing scorers with a bit of tenacity and I don't see that in Butler yet, then again I didn't see that in RJ as well. Perhaps having them fight like dogs in practice will instill that needed tenacity. I hope HAT(Hairston, Anderson, Temple) are up to the task of killer bench mob. :hat

True, I think the best case scenario would be the Spurs re-signing RJ to a more suitable contract and signing Butler, James Jones or whoever else Pop thinks might help. Neither RJ, nor any of these free agents are going to provide Bowen-esque defense, people have been too spoiled and expect that we'd get a defensive stopper similar to Bowen.

I think RJ's defense is greatly underestimated and Hairston's or eventually Butler's or JJ's is highly overestimated. It's true that RJ wasn't very good on D last year, certainly not for that contract,but to expect that a LLE wing would provide much better defense or would be a better overall player in the Spurs system is a bit naive IMO.

[Obstructed_View]

It's looking like Butler's gonna go to the Celtics. Do the Spurs even have enough to pay him? He's coming off a pretty good season.

[Streakyshooter08]

It's looking like Butler's gonna go to the Celtics. Do the Spurs even have enough to pay him? He's coming off a pretty good season.

I wonder how the Celtics pay him?I thought they used their MLE for O'Neal!? Maybe I got that confused...

[jiggy_55]

McDonald on twitter:

JMcDonald_SAEN

FWIW, source close to the process sets odds of Jefferson returning to SA at 95 percent. #spurs

http://twitter.com/JMcDonald_SAEN/status/18589795030

[angelbelow]

I wonder how the Celtics pay him?I thought they used their MLE for O'Neal!? Maybe I got that confused...

He could be taking their LLE like Maquies Daniels did last year..

[Streakyshooter08]

He could be taking their LLE like Maquies Daniels did last year..

Yeah, but the Spurs could give him a better contract with the remainder of the MLE, so if he goes to the Celtics it won't be about the money. I also hope the Spurs could land Butler/ Barnes or Jones.

I wonder if Jefferson really wants to play here. It will be interesting to see what happens.

[Mel_13]

I wonder how the Celtics pay him?I thought they used their MLE for O'Neal!? Maybe I got that confused...


He could be taking their LLE like Maquies Daniels did last year..


Yeah, but the Spurs could give him a better contract with the remainder of the MLE, so if he goes to the Celtics it won't be about the money. I also hope the Spurs could land Butler/ Barnes or Jones.

I wonder if Jefferson really wants to play here. It will be interesting to see what happens.

Celts don't have the LLE this year because they used it last year on Daniels. The only way for the Celts to offer more than the vet min to Butler would be to work out a S&T with the Clippers.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

McDonald on twitter:

JMcDonald_SAEN

FWIW, source close to the process sets odds of Jefferson returning to SA at 95 percent. #spurs

http://twitter.com/JMcDonald_SAEN/status/18589795030

Awesome!!! I know I am in the minority when it comes
to Jefferson coming back, but I truly believe if he does (at a resonable price) he will be better than he was last year. I'm not sold on Hairston and IMO Dickie J is the best possible starter caliber SF on the market right now.

If RJ comes back I think he will have a better understanding of his role and the pressure of being "the missing piece" will be lifted. RJ+ James Jones>>>>>>> James Jones+ Hairston.

[Chieflion]

I think it is less likely each passing day that Jefferson returns. The Spurs actually pulled Malik Hairston out of the summer league, saying that they like what they see out of him. We got reports saying Spurs are interested in James Jones. I just hope the Spurs can wing a deal using a Jefferson sign and trade, because we are already over the cap so might as well get a trade exception. If the Spurs are lucky, we might get a marginal SF prospect in return.

[tuncaboylu]

Celts don't have the LLE this year because they used it last year on Daniels. The only way for the Celts to offer more than the vet min to Butler would be to work out a S&T with the Clippers.


Can't you use LLE every year like MLE?

[Chieflion]

Can't you use LLE every year like MLE?

No. The LLE is also known as the BAE (Bi-Annual Exception). It is given once every 2 years.

[objective]

I hope HAT(Hairston, Anderson, Temple) are up to the task of killer bench mob. :hat

Lots of posters on this board are always so frightened or nervous about what would happen if in-experienced guys like the HAT trio are trusted.

But wouldn't it be fair to say the for the most part whenever the Spurs have relent and give time and trust to the young players those guys have produced?

Parker delivered. Manu delivered. Jackson delivered when he was freed to play by injuries to Steve Smith and Manu early that season. Blair delivered this past year. Hill delivered when he was finally allowed to play starting after the 09 Dallas series was pretty much over. Hell, Devin Brown had taken the 6th man spot from Barry in 05 until his back injury. Even Beno had a nice rookie season until the pressure finally got to be too much for him.

In contrast, the biggest failures or at least 'failure to deliver' in the playoffs have been the experienced players, the vets brought in because the Spurs supposedly couldn't afford to groom players through their rough spots.

Turkoglu, experienced and failed in 04. Bonner failing. Mason failing. Steve Smith failing. Udoka failing. Elson failing. Charlie Ward failing. Anthony Carter. Ron Mercer. Rasho failing his way into a trade for a starter to replace him. Van Exel's colossal failure. Damon Stoudamire. Kurt Thomas turned into a trade chip. Most of Finley's 2nd contract. Drew Gooden. Keith Bogans even though he was a vet-min guy. And of course . . . Richard Jefferson.

[TJastal]

So let's just assume for a second RJ bolts to NY or NJ. The spurs depth chart right now looks like:

Duncan/McDyess
Splitter/Blair/Bonner
Ginobili/Hairston
Hill/Anderson/Gee
Parker/Temple

Hairston, Anderson, Gee, & Temple are the biggest question marks but from what I've been seeing and hearing I think could be very solid rotation players in this league. Especially Malik. If Hairston is given regular minutes I think he will surprise the shit out of people, not only producing good numbers to start, but also getting better and better, both as a scorer and an outside shooter.

http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/index.jsp?player=malik_hairston

The biggest knock on this kid is his 3pt shooting. But just last year, he shot 41% from long range in the dev league. Hairston can flat out score and could be a future star IMO. It is a fucking travesty IMO that Popovich thought Bogans would be a better player to invest in last year. :(

[Texas_Ranger]

So let's just assume for a second RJ bolts to NY or NJ. The spurs depth chart right now looks like:

Duncan/McDyess
Splitter/Blair/Bonner
Ginobili/Hairston
Hill/Anderson/Gee
Parker/Temple

Hairston, Anderson, Gee, & Temple are the biggest question marks but from what I've been seeing and hearing I think could be very solid rotation players in this league. Especially Malik. If Hairston is given regular minutes I think he will surprise the shit out of people, not only producing good numbers to start, but also getting better and better, both as a scorer and an outside shooter.

http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/index.jsp?player=malik_hairston

The biggest knock on this kid is his 3pt shooting. But just last year, he shot 41% from long range in the dev league. Hairston can flat out score and could be a future star IMO. It is a fucking travesty IMO that Popovich thought Bogans would be a better player to invest in last year. :(

Manu can't play SF. Malik is also more like SG than a SF. So RJ signing or not we do need a SF. Right now Butler or Barnes would be good. James Jones would be a good choice, but I'd rather see him play from the bench. I also think RJ will be back, so we just need one more SF and we are ready.

[MannyIsGod]

If the Spurs can get a 3 year deal at the MLE level or lower then I see no reason not to resign Jefferson. Having him come off the bench with Manu would allow him a lot of touches and I really like having a lineup with him and Blair both playing with Manu. This would provide a good amount of bench punch while allowing Tony to play more with the ball in his hands.

I'm not opposed to a four year deal because once the Duncan era is over someone is going to have to be paid on this team and its not going to really matter who it is because we're going to struggle to reach mediocrity but I would prefer a 3 year deal (a four year with a team option is basically a 3 year deal, IMO)

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

So let's just assume for a second RJ bolts to NY or NJ. The spurs depth chart right now looks like:

Duncan/McDyess
Splitter/Blair/Bonner
Ginobili/Hairston
Hill/Anderson/Gee
Parker/Temple

Hairston, Anderson, Gee, & Temple are the biggest question marks but from what I've been seeing and hearing I think could be very solid rotation players in this league. Especially Malik. If Hairston is given regular minutes I think he will surprise the shit out of people, not only producing good numbers to start, but also getting better and better, both as a scorer and an outside shooter.

http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/index.jsp?player=malik_hairston

The biggest knock on this kid is his 3pt shooting. But just last year, he shot 41% from long range in the dev league. Hairston can flat out score and could be a future star IMO. It is a fucking travesty IMO that Popovich thought Bogans would be a better player to invest in last year. :(

Manu is not a starting small forward*




* if you care about winning anything this year

[urunobili]

I don't see on this thread any props to RJ for being the stud on our road win on the first round of the playoffs last year... :wakeup

If he comes back; he should be way more solid for us. Therefore a good shot to beat better teams with him.

[MaNu4Tres]

4 years 30 million get it done

[Ditty]

Manu is not a starting small forward*




* if you care about winning anything this year

:lmao imagine ginobili at small foward he would get dominated defensivly

[DPG21920]

No. It is also known as the Bi-Annual exception.