Cuban won't trade Beaubois for Joe Johnson

[monosylab1k]

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=3220


Exclusive: Mavs Want Joe Johnson, But Won't Trade Roddy B To Get Him

Atlanta Plan To Offer Johnson Max Doesn't Necessarily Kill Dallas Interest
By Mike Fisher -- DB.com

The report out of Atlanta that the Hawks want to keep Joe Johnson with a six-year max deal in the $120 million range would on the surface seem to kill the idea of the Mavs signing the explosive 2-guard. That notion remains alive, however.

What Mavs owner Mark Cuban would like to kill is the idea that Dallas will sacrifice prized youngster Roddy Beaubois in a Johnson sign-and-trade.

“No chance we trade (Roddy B) for Joe,’’ Cuban says.

For the Mavs and their fans – especially those of us who are passionate members of the FREE RODDY B! club -- that mindset establishes some ground rules on two fronts …

First, to what it means for the Mavs and Beaubois:

All along, the Mavs have been fully aware that a key piece in prying a star free agent away from his existing team might be Roddy B. If a team wants to be rewarded in a Sign-and-Trade with financial relief, there is The DUST Chip. If a team wants young affordable talent, that is Beaubois.

Dallas knows this. So if it ever comes down to serious flirting with the likes of LeBron James or Dwyane Wade (the Mavs believe they will gain audiences with both), it’s an easy call: Roddy B can pack his bags.

But there is some debate, not only among fans but in-house as well, about where the cut-off line is for dealing Beaubois, considered a pivotal part of Dallas’ future after his electric and unprecedented 50/40/80 season.

Do you trade Roddy Beaubois for a Joe Johnson because Johnson is clearly better?

Do you keep Roddy B in anticipation of him developing quickly into a player on Johnson’s impactful level?

If you think Roddy B is going to be a Johnson-level performer, do you believe he will do so quickly enough to allow his maturity to occur within the Dirk Era?

Are the “We Love Our Boys In Blue’’ Mavs tiptoeing toward once again arguably overvaluing their talent?

Mark Cuban has just given his answer.

“No chance we trade (Roddy B) for Joe,’’ Cuban says, corresponding via email to one of DallasBasketball.com’s far-reaching 75-Member Staff.

I suppose we should leave ourselves some elbow room here. Cuban could conceivably be putting down the groundwork for future negotiations with Atlanta and everyone else. After Draft Day last week, the Mavs were certainly forthcoming in whispering to various media outlets the news that “we got lottery-pick offers for Roddy.’’

(The truth, as determined by DB.com: The Mavs got one offer from a team between 6-and-11. So it wasn’t “high’’ and it wasn’t multiple.’’ But still …)

Speaking of holding your own player in high esteem. …

To what Wednesday’s developments mean for the Mavs and Joe Johnson:

In one of the shockers of the day, the Atlanta paper is reporting that the often-frugal Hawks want to retain Johnson with a max deal.

Is this also a negotiating ploy?

Conventional wisdom suggests that a max deal would block other suitors from coming after Johnson. That’s simply untrue. What if the Knicks don’t sign a prize to use all their cap room, and fill the void with Joe? What if Joe – in L.A. tonight prepping for meetings that we know will include the fresh-from-"Entourage'' Cuban – decides he likes L.A. enough to sign with the Clippers? What if the Bulls, the Heat or the Nets arrange to make him their “second star’’ after having acquired LeBron?

And what about Joe Johnson to the Mavs?

I’ve seen numerous reports about Joe being able to get only five years elsewhere. Of course, that ignores the Sign-and-Trade option available to Dallas, which can give him six years. We’ve created a handful of logical ways for the Mavs to Sign-and-Trade for Johnson and to still provide Atlanta plenty in return … all of that predicated, of course, on where Joe Johnson wants to go.

If he wants to come to Dallas, the max-money news out of Atlanta doesn’t kill that.

The only thing that kills it, we now know, is if the Mavs are asked to forfeit Roddy B to make it happen.

[monosylab1k]

Let's have DoK scoff this.

[Trainwreck2100]

wow

[monosylab1k]

Also, let's hear Spur fans laugh at this despite ejaculating over DeJuan Barkley and James Pippen Anderson.

[Goran Dragic]

Let's have DoK scoff this.


scoff

[Trainwreck2100]

didn't he turn down dirk for kobe too? He didn't learn that time?

[Chieflion]

Rodrigue "Allen Iverson" Beaubois and Dominque "Dwyane Wade" Jones. Unstoppable backcourt.

[monosylab1k]

for the record, I don't agree with this. You trade a guy with potential for a proven player any day. If it's just DUST/Roddy for Joe Johnson, you gotta make that trade.

[monosylab1k]

Rodrigue "Allen Iverson" Beaubois and Dominque "Dwyane Wade" Jones. Unstoppable backcourt.

They'll both be better than that fat asshole you think is the next Charles Barkley.

[Amarelooms]

Cuban is right....NO DEAL...fuck off Joe Johnson and the Hawks.

:elephant

[Goran Dragic]

Also, let's hear Spur fans laugh at this despite ejaculating over DeJuan Barkley and James Pippen Anderson.


For the record, I overejaculate about Goran Dragic, but if the Suns resigned Amare and Joe Johnson might be the final piece to help Phoenix contend, I'd trade Dragic in a deal for JJ without blinking an eye.

[kamikazi_player]

lol overrating Roddy Beaubois

[monosylab1k]

lol overrating Roddy Beaubois

shut up slut you're causin too much chaos just bend over and take it like a slut okay mom

[crc21209]

:lol Cuban expects to give crap and get good or great players in return. NOT gonna happen. Hes gotta give up some decent pieces...

[Amarelooms]

lol overrating Roddy Beaubois

Just like over-rating old ass Duncan and Flopnobli

:elephant

[BUMP]

Al Jefferson, yes

Joe Johnson, no

[Dookie Crew]

shut up slut you're causin too much chaos just bend over and take it like a slut okay mom


lame mainstreamer :rolleyes

[BUMP]

:lol Cuban expects to give crap and get good or great players in return. NOT gonna happen. Hes gotta give up some decent pieces...

Erick Dampier is what we're banking on tbh

[monosylab1k]

:lol Cuban expects to give crap and get good or great players in return. NOT gonna happen. Hes gotta give up some decent pieces...

true. Cuban is still naive enough to think that just because the Lakers do it, so can the Mavs. He hasn't figured out that there's one set of rules for the Lakers and another set of rules for the rest of the league.

[Amarelooms]

:lol Cuban expects to give crap and get good or great players in return. NOT gonna happen. Hes gotta give up some decent pieces...

Not Roddy for Joe freakin Johnson dummy....he ain't that good and Roddy has the potential to be better than him in a couple years. At best I'd offer them the Dust chip, spare players like JJB, Stevenson and maybe a future 1st round pick....THAT"s it. Johnson ain't even worth talking about....he needs to stay with the Hawks and take the ridiculous max deal they're gonna give him lol

:elephant

[kamikazi_player]

Just like over-rating old ass Duncan and Flopnobli

:elephant

lol thinking Dirk will get you guys to actually win a title

[Chieflion]

They'll both be better than that fat asshole you think is the next Charles Barkley.

For the record, I doubt any person with a brain thinks he could be the next Barkley, unlike Dominque "Dwyane Wade" Jones.

[Goran Dragic]

Roddy has the potential to be better than him in a couple years.


:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[kamikazi_player]

shut up slut you're causin too much chaos just bend over and take it like a slut okay mom

material's ancient, come with something different, or just retire already

[crc21209]

true. Cuban is still naive enough to think that just because the lakers do it, so can the mavs. He hasn't figured out that there's one set of rules for the lakers and another set of rules for the rest of the league.

+1.

[monosylab1k]

For the record, I doubt any person with a brain thinks he could be the next Barkley, unlike Dominque "Dwyane Wade" Jones.

Name one Mavs fan who says he'll be as good as Dwyane Wade.

[Findog]

for the record, I don't agree with this. You trade a guy with potential for a proven player any day. If it's just DUST/Roddy for Joe Johnson, you gotta make that trade.

Do you max out Joe Johnson? That's more objectionable than trading Roddy.

[Goran Dragic]

Do you max out Joe Johnson? That's more objectionable than trading Roddy.


In today's NBA, the only way you're getting a proven AS caliber player who isn't completely over the hill is maxing him out.

[TheSpursFNRule]

Roddy B is the real deal, I cannot blame him for not doing this. Roddy B will be one of the most dominant PG's in years to come. Cuban making a good move.

[monosylab1k]

Do you max out Joe Johnson? That's more objectionable than trading Roddy.

considering last season's ridiculous "fuck the future" contract given to shawn marion, maxing out Joe Johnson really isn't all that bad.

Fuck the future.

[The Franchise]

lol overrating Roddy Beaubois

I'm a Rockets fan and this stupid shit is annoying to me. WTF is Mark Cuban thinking? Do you think he talked to Dirk before he made that decision?

[Booharv]

I think this is smart. Beaubois does have a lot of potential. I would trade Dampier and Butler, who I'm not a fan of, if I were Dallas. Since they don't seem to want to play Marion at PF ever (he should be getting Najera's minutes there when Dirk sits imo) they basically have two SF's and no real shooting guards.

[monosylab1k]

material's ancient, come with something different, or just retire already

bitch i'ma kill you, you don't wanna fuck with me, girls neither, you ain't nothin but a slut to me, bitch i'ma kill you, you ain't got the balls to beef, we aint gonna never stop beefin i don't squash the beef, you better kill me, i'ma be another rapper dead for poppin off at the mouth wit shit i shouldn't a said, but when they kill me i'm bringin the world with me, bitches too u ain't nothin but a girl to me

[Findog]

considering last season's ridiculous "fuck the future" contract given to shawn marion, maxing out Joe Johnson really isn't all that bad.

Fuck the future.

I'm not saying I wouldn't max out JJ, but this is what I hate about the free-agency process: it turns into an auction where you HAVE to overpay to get your man.

[kamikazi_player]

I'm a Rockets fan and this stupid shit is annoying to me. WTF is Mark Cuban thinking? Do you think he talked to Dirk before he made that decision?

I don't know, I really like Cuban because he's real entertaining, but I don't know what goes on in his mind sometimes. Didn't he turned down a Dirk for Kobe trade in 2007?

[Findog]

Didn't he turned down a Dirk for Kobe trade?

No. Kobe had a no-trade clause and made it clear he would only accept a trade to Dallas to play with Dirk.

[kamikazi_player]

No. Kobe had a no-trade clause and made it clear he would only accept a trade to Dallas to play with Dirk.

O i c, thanks

[monosylab1k]

No. Kobe had a no-trade clause and made it clear he would only accept a trade to Dallas to play with Dirk.

Cuban turned it down before Kobe was ever consulted. He turned it down because he didn't think Dirk for Kobe was a good trade. It had nothing to do with Kobe's no trade clause.

Cuban is going out of his way to make big pitches to guys like LeBron and Joe Johnson. You're telling me he couldn't have done the same thing with Kobe? That he couldn't sell Kobe on the fact that he could get him a new #2 guy to replace Dirk? That he couldn't sell him on the fact that Jet/Josh/Harris was a better nucleus than Kwame/Vujacic/Smush?

Cuban turned it down before Kobe could even consider it, because he didn't think Kobe for Dirk helped the Mavs. Which is fucking retarded.

[Chieflion]

Name one Mavs fan who says he'll be as good as Dwyane Wade.

Name me one Spurs fan that says DeJuan Blair will be as good as Charles Barkley.

[Amarelooms]

Cuban turned it down before Kobe was ever consulted. He turned it down because he didn't think Dirk for Kobe was a good trade. It had nothing to do with Kobe's no trade clause.

Cuban is going out of his way to make big pitches to guys like LeBron and Joe Johnson. You're telling me he couldn't have done the same thing with Kobe? That he couldn't sell Kobe on the fact that he could get him a new #2 guy to replace Dirk?

Cuban turned it down before Kobe could even consider it, because he didn't think Kobe for Dirk helped the Mavs. Which is fucking retarded.

Who the fuck are you....do you work for the Mavs?? Making stupid ass comments out of your ass. Shaaaad up dummy....

:elephant

[Ignorant Spurs fan]

DeJuan Blair will be just as good as Charles Barkley

[monosylab1k]

Name me one Spurs fan that says DeJuan Blair will be as good as Charles Barkley.

:lmao if you really want me to go there, I will.

[BUMP]

Name me one Spurs fan that says DeJuan Blair will be as good as Charles Barkley.



DeJuan Blair will be just as good as Charles Barkley

We've already got one in this thread!

[monosylab1k]

Who the fuck are you....do you work for the Mavs?? Making stupid ass comments out of your ass. Shaaaad up dummy....

:elephant

fuck off you stupid faggot. you're the most ignorant, moronic motherfucker on this entire site, you do nothing but embarrass every other mavs fan on here ever single day. Shut the fuck up and stop posting, give us all a rest from your idiocy, stop logging onto your fucking gay ass Mark Cuban troll that everybody knows is you and is the biggest waste of a troll account in the history of the internet cuz you can't fucking do it right, and do the entire world a favor by killing yourself, dickwad.

[kamikazi_player]

Whoever says Dejuan Blair will become as good as Charles Barkley is an idiot. I don't think he'll even get one all-star appearance in his career. If anything, he's like a rich man's Glen Davis.

[Chieflion]

We've already got one in this thread!

Don't quote yourself, sir. It makes you look bad.

[monosylab1k]

If anything, he's like a rich man's Glen Davis.

:lmao even that is overrating the hell out of him.

[BUMP]

Don't quote yourself, sir. It makes you look bad.

Ignorant Spurs Fan said it, not me brah

[BUMP]

If anything, he's like a rich man's Glen Davis.

Considering he hasn't done shit so far, you must've meant the other way around

[Amarelooms]

fuck off you stupid faggot. you're the most ignorant, moronic motherfucker on this entire site, you do nothing but embarrass every other mavs fan on here ever single day. Shut the fuck up and stop posting, give us all a rest from your idiocy, stop logging onto your fucking gay ass Mark Cuban troll that everybody knows is you and is the biggest waste of a troll account in the history of the internet cuz you can't fucking do it right, and do the entire world a favor by killing yourself, dickwad.

I would pimp slap your punk ass son.....you are no Mavs fan if you want to trade the Dust chip plus Roddy and picks for shitty Joe Johnson with a 6 year max deal. Go to sleep dummy....you are insignificant

:elephant

[kamikazi_player]

I think that's his potential I mean :wakeup

[Chieflion]

Ignorant Spurs Fan said it, not me brah

You don't have to act innocent, BUMP.

[4>0rings]

What time is Roddys 4 story high statue going up in dowtown Dallas on Roddy Beaubios Day?

[Goran Dragic]

fuck off you stupid faggot. you're the most ignorant, moronic motherfucker on this entire site, you do nothing but embarrass every other mavs fan on here ever single day. Shut the fuck up and stop posting, give us all a rest from your idiocy, stop logging onto your fucking gay ass Mark Cuban troll that everybody knows is you and is the biggest waste of a troll account in the history of the internet cuz you can't fucking do it right, and do the entire world a favor by killing yourself, dickwad.


BOOM! roasted

[Goran Dragic]

lol @ retarded ass Spurfan seriously comparing DeFat to Charles Barkley.

[BUMP]

lol no surprise hater is on that list

[Goran Dragic]

I like the one that "goes out on a limb" and compares him to Elton Brand.

If he's comparing him to the old, fat, injury prone Elton Brand, then maybe he can hit that ceiling.


Yeah, but something tells me he was more referring to 2006 Elton Brand :lol

[kamikazi_player]

Those posters are stupid if they ever think Blair becomes just as close as Barkley career wise.

[Booharv]

Comparing Blair to Barkley is stupid, but so is Mav fans and Sun fans acting like he's some scrub. He averaged 17 and 14 per 40 minutes. In 18 minutes off the bench he averaged 7.8 ppg and 6.4 rpg. He's an awesome player to have in your rotation as 15-25 mpg player off the bench.

Also, he's not fat. But he could stand to lose 15-20 lbs so he could play pf more effectively since he's too short to play center against many teams though.

[Goran Dragic]

MY favorite is a "thicker Dennis Rodman who can score". Rodman was maybe the best rebounder of all time (fuck Bill Russell), that comparison was beyond moronic. Rodman was the perfectly fundamental rebounder always in the right position and he developed ways to grab rebounds over taller players. All Blair can do when rebounding is use his fat to keep people away from the ball.

[Goran Dragic]

per 40 minute numbers are irrelevant to a player who's knees would fall apart if ever played more than 20 MPG.

[BUMP]

Comparing Blair to Barkley is stupid, but so is Mav fans and Sun fans acting like he's some scrub. He averaged 17 and 14 per 40 minutes. In 18 minutes off the bench he averaged 7.8 ppg and 6.4 rpg. He's an awesome player to have in your rotation as 15-25 mpg player off the bench.

Also, he's not fat. But he could stand to lose 15-20 lbs so he could play pf more effectively since he's too short to play center against many teams though.

lol worthless fatass

[BUMP]

MY favorite is a "thicker Dennis Rodman who can score". Rodman was maybe the best rebounder of all time (fuck Bill Russell), that comparison was beyond moronic. Rodman was the perfectly fundamental rebounder always in the right position and he developed ways to grab rebounds over taller players. All Blair can do when rebounding is use his fat to keep people away from the ball.

:lmao

[Booharv]

Rodman should be in the HOF tbh. Way better than players like Dumars, Worthy, and Dennis Johnson in my eyes.

[BUMP]

Rodman should be in the HOF tbh. Way better than players like Dumars, Worthy, and Dennis Johnson and Dejuan Blair in my eyes.

fify

[Goran Dragic]

Rodman should be in the HOF tbh. Way better than players like Dumars, Worthy, and Dennis Johnson in my eyes.


Truth. In his prime an all NBA defender and he could flat out anchor a team's rebounding on his own.

[Booharv]

Lol at Mav and Sun fans refusing to break out of trolling mode to admit that he's an extremely productive player to have coming off your bench. Hurts any credibility tbh. And the per 40 minute numbers are relevant because when he's in he produces at an extremely high rate.

[Goran Dragic]

And the per 40 minute numbers are relevant because when he's in he produces at an extremely high rate.


Too bad he's fat and can't be in for more than 10 minutes at a time.

[BUMP]

Lol at Mav and Sun fans refusing to break out of trolling mode to admit that he's an extremely productive player to have coming off your bench. Hurts any credibility tbh. And the per 40 minute numbers are relevant because when he's in he produces at an extremely high rate.

So would you agree he's not the next Barkley?

[Roddy Beaubois]

Dominque "Dwyane Wade" Jones.

you keep saying this.................. has one Mav fan on this site even hyped up Jones? I saw one thread about him and most just called it a good pick.

[Roddy Beaubois]

:lmao at those spurfan quotes above

[Booharv]

fify

No need to fix it for me, I'll say it myself:


Rodman should be in the HOF tbh. Way better than players like Dumars, Worthy, and Dennis Johnson and Dejuan Blair in my eyes.

Rodman's defense>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Blair's defense

Rodman's the best rebounder ever as well. I agree with that.

That's why Blair needs to lose some weight, if he were 6'10 his weight would be fine but since he's 6'7 he needs to play pf some of the time and he can't guard any quick 4s at his weight.


So would you agree he's not the next Barkley?

Of course not, I'm not retarded but he's awesome as a backup 4/5.

[4>0rings]

:lmao at those spurfan quotes above
A scrub so shitty that his shitty coach wouldn't even play him.

[BUMP]

Of course not, I'm not retarded but he's awesome as a backup 4/5.

What about Moses Malone? Do you think he'll be better than Moses?

[Goran Dragic]

Booharv isn't comparing him to any of those guys :lol, but he needs to understand when mav krew is in troll mode it's not the right time to have serious basketball discussion

[Booharv]

Find me a Mav who would rather have Najera than Blair.

[Booharv]

Booharv isn't comparing him to any of those guys :lol, but he needs to understand when mav krew is in troll mode it's not the right time to have serious basketball discussion

tbh it's like watching Andy Kaufman (who didn't break character for like a decade) at work.

[Roddy Beaubois]

Mavs, Cavs, Haywood And Shaq: What's Cookin'?

The newspaper beat writer who best knows Cleveland is writing about a Brendan Haywood/Shaq sign-and-trade from information given him by Cavs sources.
The network beat writer who best knows Dallas is writing about a Brendan Haywood/Shaq sign-and-trade from information given him by Mavs sources.
Me? My understanding is that while the cooking ingredients are right, they are not meant to be cooked up into the same stew. ... Something else Mavs/Cavs must be cooking. Yeah, maybe Cleveland slams down the phone as Dallas keeps inquiring about LeBron. But believe me, Dallas slams down the phone, too, if Cleveland is calling to ask for a starting center in exchange for a backup one.
I have no doubt that:
a) The Mavs and Cavs have talked about various trade ideas, and sign-and-trade ideas.
b) At some point in this process, Haywood might be used by Dallas as a sign-and-trade tool.
c) We’ve been right all along (for, like years) in reporting that Shaq wants to play with Dallas, his “favorite NBA city.’’
Those are the cooking ingredients … Haywood … Shaq. … a sign-and-trade … Cleveland ace reporter Brian Windhorst has those right. But when ESPN ace reporter Marc Stein counters by saying that Dallas sources tell him there is “no chance’’ Haywood is S-n-T’ed for Shaq, he’s got that right, too.
The ingredients are right. … Haywood … Shaq. … a sign-and-trade … But they are not meant to be cooked up into the same stew.
Shaq can end up in Dallas, but not at a high cost to the Mavs. Haywood can end up in Cleveland (or elsewhere, as he is clearly coveted by other NBA teams), but not in a complexity-free swap with Shaq.
The Mavs and Cavs have talked about various trade ideas, and sign-and-trade ideas, and if they haven’t talked about LeBron James, then neither organization is doing its job. (Indeed, upon further review: When Windhorst writes of a "double-Sign-and-Trade'' ... what is that? "Double'' meaning two players in exchange for two players? Who else on the Cavs roster would Dallas covet?)
Talking about LeBron James – as much of a longshot the Mavs might be, as much as the Cavs want to retain him and have insisted they won’t sign-and-trade – that’s what’s cooking.

[Booharv]

Dejuan Blair is like a combination of Moses Malone and Charles Barkley, except better than both those players combined.

[DJ Mbenga]

its crazy that cuban would only trade roddy for kobe and lebron.

[TDMVPDPOY]

6/120m for jj? wat the fck overrated

[TDMVPDPOY]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CqDk4jAv_Y4/S-X98eIbCKI/AAAAAAAAC0c/LW4YkrhKGdM/s1600/09.jpg

[sefant77]

considering last season's ridiculous "fuck the future" contract given to shawn marion, maxing out Joe Johnson really isn't all that bad.

Fuck the future.

Dude, JJ would get like 3 times more than Marion. And Marion played a really nice underrated season. His contract is okay, just one year too long so its like 8 mio too much. Max for JJ is way too much AND too long, thats like 1-2 years too much and like 40-50 million too much

And i agree, i wouldnt trade Roddy for JJ sitting on a max deal.

[Harry Callahan]

Mike Fisher (the guy who runs dallasbasketball.com) is a D-Bag cheerleader for the Mavericks who cashes a check from 103.3, the Mavericks station. Mr. Fisher is a loyal, biased lapdog for the Mavericks who has a lot higher opinion of himself and the Mavericks than anyone else.

His lousy website just couldn't wait to post (on the night of the draft) how the great Mavericks coach and his scouts had their 1st draft pick (Jones) rated higher than James Anderson. Fisher's envy and hate of the Spurs shines through in just about everything he does.

The only reason he has a part time radio gig now (he was out of work for years after KLIF changed its format and dropped sportstalk) is because by contract he has to wear a MFFL T-shirt or a Mavericks dancer outfit 24 hours a day.

[Amarelooms]

Mike Fisher (the guy who runs dallasbasketball.com) is a D-Bag cheerleader for the Mavericks who cashes a check from 103.3, the Mavericks station. Mr. Fisher is a loyal, biased lapdod for the Mavericks who has a lot higher opinion of himself and the Mavericks than anyone else.

His lousy website just couldn't wait to post (on the night of the draft) how the great Mavericks coach and his scouts had their 1st draft pick (Jones) rated higher than James Anderson. Fisher's envy and hate of the Spurs shines through in just about everything he does.

The only reason he has a part time radio gig now (he was out of work for years after KLIF changed its format and dropped sportstalk) is because by contract he has to wear a MFFL T-shirt or a Mavericks dancer outfit 24 hours a day.

Shaaaad up dummy

:elephant

[Harry Callahan]

Considering he hasn't done shit so far, you must've meant the other way around

Blair did drop 27 pts and 23 rebs on the Mavericks in a game last year. Remember?

[thedong]

Mike Fisher (the guy who runs dallasbasketball.com) is a D-Bag cheerleader for the Mavericks who cashes a check from 103.3, the Mavericks station. Mr. Fisher is a loyal, biased lapdog for the Mavericks who has a lot higher opinion of himself and the Mavericks than anyone else.

His lousy website just couldn't wait to post (on the night of the draft) how the great Mavericks coach and his scouts had their 1st draft pick (Jones) rated higher than James Anderson. Fisher's envy and hate of the Spurs shines through in just about everything he does.

The only reason he has a part time radio gig now (he was out of work for years after KLIF changed its format and dropped sportstalk) is because by contract he has to wear a MFFL T-shirt or a Mavericks dancer outfit 24 hours a day.


Haha, it's true. I post often at DB.com, so I am not complaining, but Fisher is a Mavs homer. Can you blame him thought? That's how he make his living.

[Harry Callahan]

Shaaaad up dummy

:elephant

Brilliant retort. Tell me where I'm wrong. The truth hurts.

[Harry Callahan]

Haha, it's true. I post often at DB.com, so I am not complaining, but Fisher is a Mavs homer. Can you blame him thought? That's how he make his living.

Yeah, he's got to make a buck, and feed his kids.

[mystargtr34]

I dont blame Mavfan... not sure i would trade Matt fucking Bonner for Joe Johnson at $20M Per year. Thats ridiculous.

[Findog]

Blair did drop 27 pts and 23 rebs on the Mavericks in a game last year. Remember?

In what basically amounted to a preseason game since both teams didn't want to give anything away on film for an upcoming playoff series.

[Findog]

Mavs would be stupid as hell to trade 4-5 years of Haywood for 1 year of Shaq. They can't get Dwight Howard, Andrew Bogut or Al Horford, so a Haywood/Gortat combo would be pretty good.

I don't have any interest in Shaq at all except for the vet minimum and 15 minutes per game.

[Johnny RIngo]

In what basically amounted to a preseason game since both teams didn't want to give anything away on film for an upcoming playoff series.

He also had 28 pts/21 rebs vs OKC in January. There's the 23 pts/22 rebs he had during the Rookie Challenge but I don't think anyone takes those All-Star events seriously so it's not as impressive.

[sefant77]

Mike Fisher (the guy who runs dallasbasketball.com) is a D-Bag cheerleader for the Mavericks who cashes a check from 103.3, the Mavericks station. Mr. Fisher is a loyal, biased lapdog for the Mavericks who has a lot higher opinion of himself and the Mavericks than anyone else.

His lousy website just couldn't wait to post (on the night of the draft) how the great Mavericks coach and his scouts had their 1st draft pick (Jones) rated higher than James Anderson. Fisher's envy and hate of the Spurs shines through in just about everything he does.

The only reason he has a part time radio gig now (he was out of work for years after KLIF changed its format and dropped sportstalk) is because by contract he has to wear a MFFL T-shirt or a Mavericks dancer outfit 24 hours a day.

Nice try.

Last thing the Mavs need is a skinny jumpshooter, they need a slasher. Spurs dont need another slasher, they need shooter.

So even a monkey can see why the Mavs had Jones above Anderson. And why the Spurs had Anderson over Jones.

Its not who is better, it was all about who is the better FIT for the team.

[Goran Dragic]

He also had 28 pts/21 rebs vs OKC in January. There's the 23 pts/22 rebs he had during the Rookie Challenge but I don't think anyone takes those All-Star events seriously so it's not as impressive.


That game he had against OKC was a fluke matchup win. He scored almost all of his points off putbacks because OKC had no one to counter and box out his fatness.

[monosylab1k]

Dude, JJ would get like 3 times more than Marion. And Marion played a really nice underrated season. His contract is okay, just one year too long so its like 8 mio too much. Max for JJ is way too much AND too long, thats like 1-2 years too much and like 40-50 million too much

And i agree, i wouldnt trade Roddy for JJ sitting on a max deal.

The window left is 2-3 years. Beyond that doesn't matter. Get the best group to win in the next 2-3 years and that's all. Nobody cares how bad the team will suck when Dirk is past his prime. Maximize what you have in Dirk's last prime years.

Joe Johnson helps the Mavericks more in the immediate future than Roddy Beaubois does. Who gives a shit what he's being paid, Cuban is the guy who writes the checks, not you.

Fuck the future.

[Muser]

What's with all the Blair hate?

[Brazil]

The window left is 2-3 years. Beyond that doesn't matter. Get the best group to win in the next 2-3 years and that's all. Nobody cares how bad the team will suck when Dirk is past his prime. Maximize what you have in Dirk's last prime years.

Joe Johnson helps the Mavericks more in the immediate future than Roddy Beaubois does. Who gives a shit what he's being paid, Cuban is the guy who writes the checks, not you.

Fuck the future.

this is exactly how to look at this trade, if mavs want to prepare the future this trade doesn't make sense at all, if mavs think their best shot is now, they have to go for it.

Other factor is if dirk walked away, I think chances to win the :lobt2: in the near future are very low so you keep beautifulwood

[Amarelooms]

The window left is 2-3 years. Beyond that doesn't matter. Get the best group to win in the next 2-3 years and that's all. Nobody cares how bad the team will suck when Dirk is past his prime. Maximize what you have in Dirk's last prime years.

Joe Johnson helps the Mavericks more in the immediate future than Roddy Beaubois does. Who gives a shit what he's being paid, Cuban is the guy who writes the checks, not you.

Fuck the future.

you still posting your bs dummy?

:elephant

[monosylab1k]

you still posting your bs dummy?

:elephant

you still being a cunt?

:elephant

[sribb43]

You must win now, at the end of Johnsons contract who gives a shit if he is washed up, so will dirk, Marion, jet, Kidd etc...this team can't worry about down the line. A team lead by roddy won't win a championship 5 years from now

[Harry Callahan]

Nice try.

Last thing the Mavs need is a skinny jumpshooter, they need a slasher. Spurs dont need another slasher, they need shooter.

So even a monkey can see why the Mavs had Jones above Anderson. And why the Spurs had Anderson over Jones.

Its not who is better, it was all about who is the better FIT for the team.

I agree with your assessment, but the reports from db.com and the Dallas Morning News did not put it in the context of "better fit." If they had worded their reports in the way you just did, I would have had no problem with that.

[GuerillaBlack]

I feel bad for my Maverick brothers. The only young piece they have is Roddy B. Everyone else is over 30, or about to turn 30.

[Mel_13]

Sometime today the #Cavs are expected to contact Brendan Haywood. There is a chance of a double sign-and-trade to Dallas with Shaq.

http://twitter.com/pdcavsinsider

[Amarelooms]

Sometime today the #Cavs are expected to contact Brendan Haywood. There is a chance of a double sign-and-trade to Dallas with Shaq.

http://twitter.com/pdcavsinsider

Not straight up...not gonna happen....Shaq+JJ Hickson maybe

:elephant

[GuerillaBlack]

Not straight up...not gonna happen....Shaq+JJ Hickson maybe

:elephant

Yeah, JJ Hickson isn't going to the Mavericks...

[bostonguy]

Yeah, JJ Hickson isn't going to the Mavericks...

It's amazing how overrated Hickson is. The guy is just an athletic role player that brings energy. That's it. Plus I don't see the Mavs trading Haywood for an old broken down Shaq that can't play big minutes anymore. Only way they even consider that is if Lebron is in the deal which isn't happening.

[Amarelooms]

Yeah, JJ Hickson isn't going to the Mavericks...

Then NO DEAL dummy....how is Morey's meeting with Bosh working for ya

:elephant

[Findog]

So with Johnson off the market, the Mavs have officially struck out with all the top-tier FAs.

Bron, Wade aren't coming here, Bosh is a puss who doesn't want to come here, Phoenix would rather let Amare walk and take the cap space than deal him to Dallas. Mavs need to turn their attention to S'n'T targets with the DUST chip for guys who are already under contract.

[GuerillaBlack]

It's amazing how overrated Hickson is. The guy is just an athletic role player that brings energy. That's it. Plus I don't see the Mavs trading Haywood for an old broken down Shaq that can't play big minutes anymore. Only way they even consider that is if Lebron is in the deal which isn't happening.

Yeah, Cleveland has him overrated, which is why he won't be traded.


Then NO DEAL dummy....how is Morey's meeting with Bosh working for ya

:elephant

Going pretty good. How is the Mavs deal for LeBron and Joe Johnson going?

[sefant77]

I feel bad for my Maverick brothers. The only young piece they have is Roddy B. Everyone else is over 30, or about to turn 30.

I feel bad for my fat Houston brothers haven their two most important players stuck in bodies of 60 year old grandmas

[BUMP]

If Houston ends up getting Chris Bosh, I will lacerate my balls, film it, and post it all over ST

[sefant77]

So what, Yao goes down and Bosh has to play center again and is pissed and this time in the west. crofl

[Findog]

If Houston ends up getting Chris Bosh, I will lacerate my balls, film it, and post it all over ST

That would suck. Go to New Jersey Chrissy!

[Findog]

I really like Joe Johnson, but contending for a championship or not, giving him a max deal is a bad idea. Only if it's a put you over the top move, and for the Mavs, it wouldn't be:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Joe-Johnson-to-sign-a-ridiculous-deal-with-the-A?urn=nba,252877


It's never a good sign when, a full week before a player is set to put pen to paper to ink his most recent contract, that a good portion of the NBA community regards that contract as the worst it has ever seen.

Not the worst trade, nor the worst draft selection. And we're not talking about considering Joe Johnson's(notes) new contract with the Atlanta Hawks (as first reported by Adrian Wojnarowski) as the worst contract we've ever seen a few years into the deal, or a few years after it expires in retrospect.

We're feeling this way, right now. On July 1st, seven days before he even gets to sign the deal. Worst contract, ever.

It's that bad. Six years, and $119 million dollars for a player regarded as a second option at best on a great team. At best. Johnson will be 29 years of age to start this contract, 35 to end it, so Atlanta will get his one peak season (unless last year's run of over 21 points and a combined 9.5 rebounds/assists was the best we've seen), and then the downfall.

At about $20 million a year.

Bear in mind that Johnson achieved those stats by absolutely dominating the ball for the Hawks. Just owning it, for large stretches, forcing either a potential score or a potential assist to be added to his ledger just about every other time down court. All while playing huge minutes, 38 per game in fact; which was actually the lowest mark we've seen from Johnson since his second year in the league.

It's just an astonishing deal, on so many levels. A good part of me thinks that - because his stats are so inflated by his ball dominance and big minutes - that Johnson will be worth about half of his yearly salary next year (next year!), so imagine how far he'll taper off by 2016? Johnson isn't the most athletic player we've seen, he isn't tricky enough with the ball to get to the line much (a shocking 3.5 free throw attempts per game, criminal for someone who has the ball so much, and for so long), and this isn't someone who will age well.

On top of that, didn't we watch him age quite considerably in the playoffs last season? Johnson averaged 11.8 points per game in the second round, shooting a terrifying 29.5 percent along the way. He seemed nonplussed as ever as his Hawks fell out of the second round again, and for the second time in five years, he's chosen big offseason money over a chance at a championship.

The Hawks? They're the big boys, here. They're supposed to be smarter than this, and in spite of all the talk about how this team had no choice but to stick with the status quo and see what happened? Bollocks.

This man could be nearly half of your salary cap in a few years. We have no idea how the new collective bargaining agreement will shake out, but even under the ridiculous payroll runs of the last six or seven years, handing nearly $120 million to a 29-year old who has yet to do anything more meaningful than dribble a lot and shoot a lot and look real tired in January? It boggles the mind.

Yes, you're backed into a corner, and you can't afford to let your best offensive player go without any proper sign-and-trade compensation. I understand that, but signing above what you originally hoped to pay only goes so far. There has to be a cutoff price, at some point, and paying Joe Johnson around $20 million in 2015-16 has to be that point. Hell, paying Joe Johnson $20 million in 2011-12 has to be that point.

This is just an absurd contract that, even if the Hawks ownership is banking on selling the team midway through Johnson's deal as has been rumored, cannot be justified or argued-for in any meaningful way.

There's just no way around it. Joe is a nice player who might get to shoot himself into yet another All-Star berth next season. If he's lucky, the year after that, even. Give it to him. Let the Hawks roll to the second round again, earning the ownership a few more gate receipts as they take yet another first round series to seven games.

Doesn't matter. As it stands, this is the worst free agent contract I have ever seen. Roll over Eddy Curry(notes), tell Jim McIlvaine the news.

[Findog]

I agree with Dwyer - Hawks would've been better off S'n'T him to another team if he wouldn't accept less than the max.

[BUMP]

If this was 2004-2007 I think we would all agree that Dallas does this in a heartbeat

[GuerillaBlack]

I feel bad for my fat Houston brothers haven their two most important players stuck in bodies of 60 year old grandmas

I feel bad for my Dallas brother's having ten straight 50-win seasons, with nothing to show for it.

Agree with you Findog. Joe Johnson does not deserve the max. Atlanta is dumb if they sign him for the max. He deserves a salary like what David Lee will get.

[Findog]

Why can't I be an NBA GM? If I'm the Hawks, I offer JJ what I think he's worth. When he says "Fuck that, I've got a max offer from the Knicks," I sign him to the max and then trade him to NY for a package that includes David Lee. Let that contract be an albatross around New York's necks. Hawks are unbelievably stupid.

[ffadicted]

And this, my friends, is a perfect example of why the Mavs and dumbass Cuban are perennial losers

[Goran Dragic]

Why can't I be an NBA GM? If I'm the Hawks, I offer JJ what I think he's worth. When he says "Fuck that, I've got a max offer from the Knicks," I sign him to the max and then trade him to NY for a package that includes David Lee. Let that contract be an albatross around New York's necks. Hawks are unbelievably stupid.


Sometimes I wonder what's stopping the regular Joe Shmoe who follows the NBA closely from being a GM. When I look at the Suns giving Channing Frye a 5 year deal, my first thought is, "OK, I know that deal sucks and I would never offer it. Why can't I be a GM. Half these guys do way dumber stuff than I ever would."

[monosylab1k]

I feel bad for my Dallas brother's having ten straight 50-win seasons, with nothing to show for it.

I feel bad for my Houston brothers not being alive that long ass time ago when their team won titles, not being able to see that shit themselves. They're just as ringless as Mavs fans. And their current team sucks more dick too.

[Findog]

And this, my friends, is a perfect example of why the Mavs and dumbass Cuban are perennial losers

WTF are you talking about, Burrito Breath? Dallas isn't the team that just maxed out a 29 year old second option for six years.

[BUMP]

And this, my friends, is a perfect example of why the Mavs and dumbass Cuban are perennial losers

lol James Anderson Pippen

[monosylab1k]

I feel bad for my Houston brothers that cry like little faggots when In-N-Out decides Garland sucks less than Houston.

[BUMP]

Aren't the Spurs about to resign Matt Bonner? :lol

[Findog]

Sometimes I wonder what's stopping the regular Joe Shmoe who follows the NBA closely from being a GM. When I look at the Suns giving Channing Frye a 5 year deal, my first thought is, "OK, I know that deal sucks and I would never offer it. Why can't I be a GM. Half these guys do way dumber stuff than I ever would."

One thing I think GMs do is that they get all concerned about their job security (let's admit, GM of a basketball team is a pretty sweet gig, you're at work 16 hours a day...but would any of use really consider it work to get paid big bucks to manage a basketball team?). If you're under pressure to improve the roster or keep it from getting worse (like one of your players hitting free agency), you make short-term moves instead of long-term moves so you don't get fired.

One League Exec when asked about Atlanta's thinking said that the current Hawks ownership doesn't think they'll own the team in 2016, so in other words, that contract being horrible down the line won't be their problem.

[Goran Dragic]

One League Exec when asked about Atlanta's thinking said that the current Hawks ownership doesn't think they'll own the team in 2016, so in other words, that contract being horrible down the line won't be their problem.


It will be when a new ownership group wants nothing to do with it :lol

[Roddy Beaubois]

I feel bad for my Maverick brothers. The only young piece they have is Roddy B. Everyone else is over 30, or about to turn 30.

What about Dominique "Dwyane Wade" Jones?

[Roddy Beaubois]

There is a chance of a double sign-and-trade to Dallas with Shaq.

Just a preface to the inevitable Lebron sign and trade.
stacked.

[Booharv]

Beaubois advanced stats are pretty fantastic. His 61.7 TS% is insane. When you combine that with the fact that he's 22, and has only been playing non-FIBA ball for a year, it's not hard to see why any team would be excited to have him. Congrats on getting what looks like a steal with a late first round pick Mav fans. :tu

tbh though I would have let Barea go if I were in the Mavs front office, or would be working hard to include him in a trade just on the odd chance Carlisle keeps playing him instead of Beaubois. Some players you have to rip out of coaches hands because they will keep playing them even though there are better players on the roster. In a totally unrelated story, the Spurs are most likely resigning Matt Bonner.

[Roddy Beaubois]

Ian knows about free roddyb

Ian Mahinmi: "That's my boy! My French teammate. Beaubois will be our new franchise player. (French National Team) He will also be their next franchise player. (Dallas Mavericks) The coach just has to play him."

[sefant77]

I feel bad for my Houston brothers not being alive that long ass time ago when their team won titles, not being able to see that shit themselves. They're just as ringless as Mavs fans. And their current team sucks more dick too.

Its worse, their are wanking off about two rings because Jordan had better things to do :rollin

[MavDynasty]

Ian knows about free roddyb

Ian Mahinmi: "That's my boy! My French teammate. Beaubois will be our new franchise player. (French National Team) He will also be their next franchise player. (Dallas Mavericks) The coach just has to play him."

thats whats up

[4>0rings]

Aren't the Spurs about to resign Matt Bonner? :lolFUCK YOU!!!














































I will be a Mav/Rocket fan as long as that faggot ginger is collecting a paycheck with the Spurs.

[Red Hawk #21]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CqDk4jAv_Y4/S-X98eIbCKI/AAAAAAAAC0c/LW4YkrhKGdM/s1600/09.jpg

Rashard Lewis shouldn't be laughing lol

[timvpimp]

for the record, I don't agree with this. You trade a guy with potential for a proven player any day. If it's just DUST/Roddy for Joe Johnson, you gotta make that trade.
then some other chip has to be interpolated to match Joe's maximum, but I can't find anything meeting the demands from Mavs roster. You can't make a straight-up deal like DUST/Roddy for JJ because the combined salary of DUST and Roddy's would still be too small to match Joe after the latter signing maximum with Hawks. and I see no desparation for Joe to accept a salary cut to become a mav for any reason.

[sefant77]

Stevenson is an 4.5 mio expiring, thats enough.

[FkLA]

sons bowlbwall can score but goddamn mavs fags act like he's the next isiah thomas or something...jerryd bayless can score in bunches and i dont see portland fans refusing to trade him for a proven all-star.

[sefant77]

Bayless?

40" vertical?
6-10 wingspan
40% from downtown?

its about the tools and potential, Roddy >>>>> Bayless