General NBA Free Agent News Thread

[MannyIsGod]

Can we use this thread to post twitter and news updates on signings? The other threads are really convoluted and I think it would be a good thing to have one thread with a good amount of NBA news since the NBA forum is garbage now.




Gooden reaches deal with bucks

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AiVRnhVJwVPA1YE.wN.CXzOuPKB4?slug=ys-goodenbucks070110

Agent: Wolves, Milicic agree to deal

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5345905

[MannyIsGod]

Amare breaks off talks with the Suns

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5346148

[MannyIsGod]

Stiein is reporting Rudy Gay about to agree to deal with Memphis.

[Stump]

Stiein is reporting Rudy Gay about to agree to deal with Memphis.
How much can another team offer him? If it's not much more than 5 year/ $80 million, why not just wait things out and see what happens?

[MannyIsGod]

He's restricted so if Memphis offers the max its pretty much a done deal unless he wants to just accept the qualifying offer. Accepting the QO would be really fucking risky.

Kinda sucks for Gay because he's probably not going to get better in Memphis but yeah.

[rayray2k8]

WojYahooNBA

Rudy Gay has agreed to a five-year, $81.6 million deal with Memphis, including a player option on fifth, his reps at Octagon confirmed to Y!

[ducks]

in nba forum memphis maxing him

[rayray2k8]

WojYahooNBA

As Y! reported late Wednesday night, Bucks and John Salmons progressing toward contract agreement. Deal likely worth $40 mlll., source says.

[rayray2k8]

Guess salmons is taken now. but 40 mill? damn.

[EricB]

The max for gay? Wow didn't know Memphis had it in em..

[ducks]

Amare Stoudemire and the Suns reportedly break off talks.
Chris Bosh visits Chicago to meet with the Bulls.
Byron Scott's agent tells the AP Scott has accepted the Cavaliers' head coaching position.
Darko Milicic becomes the second free agent to come to terms, reportedly signing a four-year deal with Minnesota.
Dirk Nowitzki stops in New York, and is set to dine with Jason Kidd, on his way to talk contract with the Mavericks.
Dwyane Wade is reported to be in Chicago meeting with the Bulls.
In Ohio, the Nets, Knicks, Bulls, Heat and Clippers take turns making pitches to LeBron James, a process expected to be spread over days.
Thanks to the Bucks, Drew Gooden reportedly becomes the first free agent to agree to terms.
The Hawks are aggressive in trying to keep their own free agent, Joe Johnson.
The Thunder quickly get into serious negotiations about an extension with Kevin Durant.
In Dallas, Houston GM Daryl Morey meets with Chris Bosh immediately after midnight. Bosh tweets he also met with the Raptors, Bulls and Heat.

[Mel_13]

Joe Johnson and Rudy Gay for the max. Makes Manu for 3/40 look pretty reasonable.

[rayray2k8]

Joe Johnson and Rudy Gay for the max. Makes Manu for 3/40 look pretty reasonable.

So true..

[ducks]

So true..

i bet manu plays less minutes then both

[Mel_13]

i bet manu plays less minutes then both

You'll win that bet.

[angelbelow]

suns are done lol

[Kori Ellis]

Gay getting the max is ridiculous. No wonder RJ had high hopes when he opted out.

[ohmwrecker]

None of this bodes well for a beneficial resolution to the Jefferson deal.

[VBM]

From WojYahooNBA,

G-State restricted free agent Anthony Morrow has slew of interest, including Spurs, Celtics, Lakers, Blazers, Clips and Jazz, sources say.

[Bruno]

So far:
Pekovic 3/13
Gooden 5/32
Salmons 5/39
Milicic 4/20
Gay 5/82

Some deals are said to be on the table:
Frye 5/25
Johnson 6/119

Teams are throwing crazy money for average players. :wow

[ElNono]

I want me some of that money... jeez.. it's crazy out there

[rayray2k8]

WojYahooNBA

Mike Miller promises to benefit too. He will get a deal exceeding the mid-level exception -- perhaps $35 to $40 million too.

Wow, wtf???

[angelbelow]

Gay getting the max is ridiculous. No wonder RJ had high hopes when he opted out.

Haha seriously

[Spurs Brazil]

So far:
Pekovic 3/13
Gooden 5/32
Salmons 5/39
Milicic 4/20
Gay 5/82

Some deals are said to be on the table:
Frye 5/25
Johnson 6/119

Teams are throwing crazy money for average players. :wow

So true, I don't see any of those as good contracts. There are a bunch of stupid GMs in the NBA

What is worst Gooden or Gay?

[ducks]

so anyone here think if tp goes back to 2009 form
he will not get the max

[Slinkyman]

so anyone here think if tp goes back to 2009 form
he will not get the max

he probably will... from the knicks

[MannyIsGod]

The amount of money being thrown at guys is incredible. What really makes the Gay deal stupid is that Memphis could match any offer so the only reason to pay him the max is if ANOTHER team signs him to an offer sheet for that amount. Why not just allow things to play out and see if you can avoid that situation?

[MannyIsGod]

Chad Ford just tweated the Nets are now the frontrunners for Lebron.

Wow.

[VBM]

Some homeless guy on the street corner just tweated the Nets are now the frontrunners for Lebron.

Wow.

[TimmehC]

chad ford just tweated the nets are now the frontrunners for lebron.

Wow.

now?

[Spurs Brazil]

chadfordinsider Source says Nets' meeting with LeBron was "tremendous". How tremendous? "Front runner tremendous"

[gameFACE]

Goddamn, Atlanta is stupid:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Joe-Johnson-to-sign-a-ridiculous-deal-with-the-A?urn=nba,252877

If JJ is getting this $$$, what will "top" free agents get?

[DBMethos]

Looks like "recession" is a made up fantasy word in the NBA world.

[Brazil]

saw it in nba forum

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157657

rumors about Blazers offer for CP3.

I'm kind of curious now to know what the blazers offered for TP

[benefactor]

Looks like "recession" is a made up fantasy word in the NBA world.
Yup. All that talk of money worries was apparently BS. The max for Gay? That's gonna be a kick in the balls for the Grizz in a couple of years.

[Mr Bones]

I'm not even sure that Gay is better than Mayo at this point. Crazy.

[Creation88]

Chad Ford has never gotten anything wrong. dude shouldn't have a job.

[timvp]

I'm not even sure that Gay is better than Mayo at this point. Crazy.

I'd honestly say Gay was the fourth best player for the Grizzlies last season.

[Seventyniner]

This just shows what the statisticians have been saying: scoring (and only scoring) determines contract values, with very few exceptions. A high-volume inefficient scorer that hardly does anything else well is one of the worst players to overpay, but it happens time after time after time. Iverson, Villanueva, Gordon, and now Gay. When will they learn?

[Creation88]

the most important and pertinent nugget of that info is this:


If the Nets don't land LeBron, expect them to re-engage the Indiana Pacers in talks about a Danny Granger for Devin Harris and Derrick Favors swap.

possibility of moving TP for the same deal?

[Dex]

So Lebron hasn't signed yet? :rolleyes

[Creation88]

can't sign until July 8th. can only commit.

[ducks]

Jefferson is seeking a multiyear contract that averages in the range of $8 million-$10 million, sources said. He opted out of the $15 million final season of his contract with the Spurs on Tuesday.

Jefferson has built a good relationship with Spurs coach Gregg Popovich, but doesn’t think the team’s system best fits his skills.

The Spurs could still try to sign Jefferson to a contract that lowers their luxury-tax hit, depending on what other options they find in free agency.

[Dex]

can't sign until July 8th. can only commit.

It never ends! :pctoss

[lurker23]

This just shows what the statisticians have been saying: scoring (and only scoring) determines contract values, with very few exceptions. A high-volume inefficient scorer that hardly does anything else well is one of the worst players to overpay, but it happens time after time after time. Iverson, Villanueva, Gordon, and now Gay. When will they learn?

I'd say this is true for PGs, SGs, and SFs. For big men, they mostly throw gobs of money at you because you're big.

[ohmwrecker]

possibility of moving TP for the same deal?


Why do you want to destroy the Spurs?

[ohmwrecker]

So Lebron hasn't signed yet? :rolleyes

I expect him to announce his intent on Monday.

[Mel_13]

This just shows what the statisticians have been saying: scoring (and only scoring) determines contract values, with very few exceptions. A high-volume inefficient scorer that hardly does anything else well is one of the worst players to overpay, but it happens time after time after time. Iverson, Villanueva, Gordon, and now Gay. When will they learn?

Its a vicious circle. Coaches have a hard time selling young players on sacrificing their stats for the good of the team when the players know that their future earnings will largely be determined by their stats. They only have to look at players like Iverson, Marbury, Arenas, McGrady, etc.

[spectator]

just read about the rudy gay contract - wow!!! that is f. ridiculous. most ppl think that his ceiling is danny granger - which would be a great 3rd option on a championship level team. do you pay those ppl max contracts? i don't think so. heck, i would have only given him $60 mil for 5 years.

good thing nba is restructuring the cba - no wonder why teams are in the red.

[Creation88]

Why do you want to destroy the Spurs?

if Tony is gonna walk at the end of 2010 why not get something now? is that why you've been bitching and complaining about getting RJ back to do a S/T!?

[tmtcsc]

Good Gawd. If owners are stupid enough to throw this type of money at average players, then they deserve whatever comes to them when their franchises go belly up.

I don't remember such ridiculous contracts since Jon Koncak (SP?) got his from Atlanta years ago.

Max for Joe Johnson ?

32 Mill for Drew Gooden ? ** Even he's stunned.

Max for Rudy Gay ?

[spectator]

IIRC, pipen was making around $6 mil./year at the end of the last 3 titles with jordan. compare it with this situation - it makes you sick.

[spectator]

come to think of it - the smartest team might be the one that does not rush with stupid expenses - (e.g. gooden, jj, gay) - buys role-players and veterans under the market value this year - then makes a push for carmelo next year, when everyone else spent everything on lousy players.

[benefactor]

I expected more of a wait and see mentality today. I guess teams that know they are out of the running for the big fish are taking what the can while the getting is good.

[ohmwrecker]

if Tony is gonna walk at the end of 2010 why not get something now? is that why you've been bitching and complaining about getting RJ back to do a S/T!?

Right . . . I am "bitching and complaining". Very good.

I want a S&T because that it is what would be the best deal for the Spurs. I am not operating with my own prejudices and biases clouding my judgment. Comprende?

[Creation88]

Right . . . I am "bitching and complaining". Very good.

I want a S&T because that it is what would be the best for the Spurs. I am not operating with my own prejudices and biases clouding my judgment. Comprende?

then wouldn't you be arguing for the same thing for Tony at the trade deadline? what's the difference if you already know Tony wants to test FA and possibly walk. explain that.

[MannyIsGod]

ROFL ROFL ROFL

Channing fucking Frye just turned down the Suns offer and wants the full MLE!

chadfordinsider

Given what Gooden & Darko got, can you blame him? RT @sooperfadeaway Channing Frye turned down Phx 5 yr 25 mill offer. Wants full mid-level



WOW!

[DPG21920]

LOL Suns. That team is funny.

[benefactor]

lol Frye. Watch him get left on the wall and wind up with a 3.5mil per year deal.

[dbestpro]

saw it in nba forum

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157657

rumors about Blazers offer for CP3.

I'm kind of curious now to know what the blazers offered for TP

the Blazers got close to a deal with the Hornets last week that would’ve sent Andre Miller, Joel Przybilla, Nicolas Batum, Jerryd Bayless and the 22nd pick to New Orelans for Paul and Emeka Okafor before Hornets GM Jeff Bower pulled out of the deal claiming that their owner wasn’t ready to trade Paul. ESPN.com

[lefty]

LMAO Frye :lmao

[dbestpro]

It's like musical chairs. There are going to be some good players left out of the payoff once the cap space starts to fill for some of these teams. Frye is an excellent example of one of these type of players.

[spectator]

the Blazers got close to a deal with the Hornets last week that would’ve sent Andre Miller, Joel Przybilla, Nicolas Batum, Jerryd Bayless and the 22nd pick to New Orelans for Paul and Emeka Okafor before Hornets GM Jeff Bower pulled out of the deal claiming that their owner wasn’t ready to trade Paul. ESPN.com

not sure how close this was - but thank god it did not happen. are u kidding me? can u imagine paul-roy-okafor-oden playing together on the same team? assuming all are healthy - big assumption - this is no 1 or no 2 contender talent-wise.

man, i was hoping free agency would dilute talent, not gather it. still hoping for amare and boozer to switch conferences.

[spectator]

also, hoping for lebron to stay in cle. and wade and bosh to go to miami. that way, these teams are beatable. also, hoping that knicks get more talent than the nets, b/c the nets have a better building block.

[Brazil]

also, hoping for lebron to stay in cle. and wade and bosh to go to miami. that way, these teams are beatable. also, hoping that knicks get more talent than the nets, b/c the nets have a better building block.

More I think more I don't see lbj staying with cle. Why would he do that? if he stays the roster will be quite the same and this roster failed to get lbj a ring, same causes will bring same consequences in the future.

[timtonymanu]

Our team made Frye look good and he's demanding the MLE.

lol scrub

[EricB]

Toronto Raptors have reached agreement to sign centre Amir Johnson to a five-year, $34 million deal, agent Kevin Bradbury tells Y! Sports.

[dbestpro]

Toronto Raptors have reached agreement to sign centre Amir Johnson to a five-year, $34 million deal, agent Kevin Bradbury tells Y! Sports.

Bonner's gonna want the same deal.

[Mel_13]

Toronto Raptors have reached agreement to sign centre Amir Johnson to a five-year, $34 million deal, agent Kevin Bradbury tells Y! Sports.

:wow

I guess Colangelo thought, what the hell, I already have 4 of the worst contracts in the NBA, let's go for five!

[benefactor]

Amir Johnson?

W T F

[benefactor]

lol Sham on Twitter:

$7 million a year for Amir Johnson, who hasn't played more than 17.7 mpg in any of his five seasons. Yeah. No.

[Mel_13]

Do you suppose Tony ever kicks himself and wonders if he should have let Holt keep that last 2M and just gotten a player option for the last year of contract?

[slick'81]

damn and i though rj for 7 was enough maybe he gets 10 now rotflmao

[MaNu4Tres]

I would have rather signed Mahinmi for 3 years worth 15 million than this.

Good god.

[ducks]

ROFL ROFL ROFL

Channing fucking Frye just turned down the Suns offer and wants the full MLE!

chadfordinsider

Given what Gooden & Darko got, can you blame him? RT @sooperfadeaway Channing Frye turned down Phx 5 yr 25 mill offer. Wants full mid-level



WOW!

if I am suns I am not saying wait and see what amare does
if he bolts offer 10 million to boozer a year

[ducks]

daldridgetnReliable sources told me that Lebron James 'VERY' close to signing a max contract with the Chicago Bulls. More news to come.
9 minutes ago via web
http://twitter.com/daldridgetn

[Brazil]

This article from bleacherreport is saying exactly what I think about 2010 FA

Joe Johnson and 119 Million Reasons Why Free Agency Is Ridiculous

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/users/photos/000/136/182/hadarii_crop_18x18.jpg?1271364517 (http://bleacherreport.com/users/136182-hadarii-jones) by Hadarii Jones (http://bleacherreport.com/users/136182-hadarii-jones)
Written on July 01, 2010

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/images/photos/000/982/609/98719692_crop_340x234.jpg?1278017919 Scott Boehm/Getty Images
Joe Johnson of the Atlanta Hawks was reportedly offered a six year, $119 million deal to remain in Atlanta, and if this is true the rest of the NBA free agency period will probably follow the same ridiculous path.
I recently penned an article questioning the merits of Chris Bosh as a max contract player, and that line of thought goes doubly for Johnson who is a decent talent but is nowhere near the same category as Bosh.
I wonder what the Hawks were thinking when they made that offer to Johnson and whether or not they understand what the possible consequences of their actions could be.
Johnson's salary would average out to around $19.8 million per season, and it would set a nasty precedent for the real stars yet to sign such as Bosh, LeBron James, and Dwyane Wade.
Wade has previously said that this high-profile class of free agents would keep their eyes on what their peers are doing, and if he is watching this, imagine the images of dollar signs dancing in Wade's head.
If Johnson can manage to wrangle $119 million out of Atlanta, then what would a player like Wade be worth, especially considering his game is held in higher regards than Johnson's?
Surely Wade could demand $130 million over the same period of time, and James may even be able to tip the scales upwards of $140 million.
Those are pretty impressive numbers, but even more so when you consider how Johnson's deal may have also opened the door to exorbitant demands from the lower tier of free agents.
Dirk Nowitzki of Dallas may belong in the top tier of free agents anyway, but now Mark Cuban knows that any offer less than Johnson's may equal the Mavericks' first season without their top player.
Carlos Boozer, who is a middling free agent, just saw his value rise, despite his otherwise lack-luster performance in the 2010 regular season and postseason.
No longer will Boozer be willing to accept secondary money, because if Johnson can be paid like a top-tier star, then he can too, and most of the noteworthy free agents will probably follow that same line of thought.
This free agency class has been called the best crop of players to hit the market in the NBA's history, and by the time the final contract is signed it may be the most expensive in history as well.
Some media types are already declaring Johnson's offer the worst in professional sports history, but they should reserve that honor for some of the other horrible deals which are sure to follow.
Observers who were hoping for a super team pairing of multiple free agent stars may want to hold those dreams for a second also, because which free agent in their right mind would pass up Johnson's type of money to play with someone else?
There will not be many teams willing to shell out $200 million for a Wade and Bosh combination, and if you add James to the mix the figures soar well above $300 million.
The truly ridiculous thing is Johnson has not done anything to prove he is worthy of that type of payday, and even though he exists as the best player on his team, is he a top 10 player in the league?
The Atlanta Hawks have started the descent down a very slippery slope, and for those who were of the opinion that this free agent class would change the destiny of the league, Johnson's signing is an ominous sign.
During a time when most regular people are scrapping to survive and dealing with things such as the rising cost of healthcare, Johnson's offer illustrates how out of touch with reality the NBA really is.
Yep, this move by the Hawks definitely signals a change in the NBA, but I'm not sure this is the type of change we as fans can believe in.

[benefactor]

Minny, Denver, Knicks and Nets showing interest in Charlotte RFA Tyrus Thomas, sources say. Charlotte insists it's motivated to keep him.
At the rate we are going now TT will probably get 15 million a year.

[Kori Ellis]

Toronto Raptors have reached agreement to sign centre Amir Johnson to a five-year, $34 million deal, agent Kevin Bradbury tells Y! Sports.

:lol

[Brazil]

Toronto Raptors have reached agreement to sign centre Amir Johnson to a five-year, $34 million deal, agent Kevin Bradbury tells Y! Sports.

:lol

crazy :lmao

thinking well RJ would have been foolish to not opt out

[TimmehC]

daldridgetnReliable sources told me that Lebron James 'VERY' close to signing a max contract with the Chicago Bulls. More news to come.
9 minutes ago via web
http://twitter.com/daldridgetn

Not Aldridge.

http://twitter.com/daldridgetnt
That last "t" makes all the difference.

[Mel_13]

Windhorst makes a great point:

With some of crazy deals given out today, owners are going to have a hard sell on selling players they're hurting next year when CBA up.

http://twitter.com/pdcavsinsider

[Agloco]

Not Aldridge.

http://twitter.com/daldridgetnt
That last "t" makes all the difference.

He tweeted about the fake account: "I really don't know what to say." :lol

[Mel_13]

Brian Colangelo has now spent $143 million on Hedo Turkoglu, Andrea Bargnani, and Amir Johnson in the last 2 summers.

http://twitter.com/bqrmagic

[timvp]

Damn, Mahinmi might get like $10 million in this market.

Seriously.

[dbestpro]

Yeah, BC would be a great GM in NJ or better yet maybe he should just run for congress.

[benefactor]

daldridgetnReliable sources told me that Lebron James 'VERY' close to signing a max contract with the Chicago Bulls. More news to come.
9 minutes ago via web
http://twitter.com/daldridgetn
lol ducks falling for fake twitter.

[timvp]

daldridgetnReliable sources told me that Lebron James 'VERY' close to signing a max contract with the Chicago Bulls. More news to come.
9 minutes ago via web
http://twitter.com/daldridgetn

Fixed.

[Mel_13]

Fixed.

:lmao

Took me a minute to find the change.

[objective]

Damn, Mahinmi might get like $10 million in this market.

Seriously.

Mahinmi will be the steal of the summer of 2010. GuaranSHEED.

[MannyIsGod]

TrueHoopNetwork

New @ValleyoftheSuns Channing Frye accepts five-year deal for $30 million with the Phoenix Suns

[benefactor]

lol Suns

[benefactor]

DoK suicide watch:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157693

[EricB]

:lmao Suns

[benefactor]

Sham blogging on Day 1 of free agency. (http://blog.shamsports.com/2010/07/nba-free-agency-movement-part-1.html)

[benefactor]

Joe Johnson deal done.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2010-07-01-Gay-johnson-sign_N.htm

[ducks]

well the dbacks fired the manager and gm today

if suns ad a gm they might fire their gm in the future with fryes deal

[coyotes_geek]

Sham is spot on about Rudy Gay. Why the hell you max out a restricted free agent on day 1 of free agency is beyond me.

[Stump]

I knew there would be a lot of bad deals, but this has been a wild first day.

Thing is, other than Rudy Gay I think most of these guys have been big men, right? They, more than anyone else, get stupid deals thrown their way. I wonder if teams will start to chill out a bit once they start looking for guards and small forwards...

[dbestpro]

So with Amare gone and Frye the new starting PF, what lottery position do you think the Suns will get?

[TD 21]

I think Frye will continue to backup Lopez at center. Stein says the Suns are the most interested team in Warrick, though he supposedly has interest in returning to the Bulls. Because the Suns can likely offer more (Bulls have bigger fish to fry) and a potential starting position, there's a good chance he signs with them. If that were to come to fruition, they'd go with a combination of him, Clark and Lawal at PF, I presume.

[Mark in Austin]

Windhorst makes a great point:

With some of crazy deals given out today, owners are going to have a hard sell on selling players they're hurting next year when CBA up.

http://twitter.com/pdcavsinsider


yup. at this point all it would take is reading the list of deals already done and those agreed to in principle. The amount of money the owners a choosing to flush through on marginal players is staggering.

They either have so much money they don't care how it is spent, or they are fucking stupid, or they have a GM so desperate to hold onto his job so he's taking flyers on longshots.

Either way - that's a problem several teams have internally, not a structural problem with the current CBA.

[EricB]

Y! Sports Free Agency Buzz: Rockets offering Scola, Ariza and Battier in sign-and-trades for Bosh or Amar'e

[ducks]

bosh goes out west major props to him
also would be awesome to get scola out out texas

[objective]

Amir's contract isn't too outrageous when fan reaction is factored in. Amir = 6 & 5 for close to $7 million a year at a young age.

Meanwhile, half of Spurstalk are sobbing hysterically over the thought that the Spurs won't pay $8-10 million a year to a 30 year old Jefferson who rocked the playoffs with averages of 9 & 5.

:lol

[ducks]

amir plays less minutes then manu!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Brian Colangelo has now spent $143 million on Hedo Turkoglu, Andrea Bargnani, and Amir Johnson in the last 2 summers.

http://twitter.com/bqrmagic

:lol I remember him being fellated as the GM of the Year. What a scrub.

[ploto]

amir plays less minutes then manu!

Bosh will be gone.

[objective]

Bosh will be gone.

yeah, but his fouls limit his time.

And unlike Ian, experience is a hard sell as the main culprit. Amir Johnson has played a little over 3000 more minutes in the NBA than Ian has.

[Mel_13]

Paul Pierce will remain a Celtic.

The club has reached agreement with its captain on a new contract, according to sources. The deal is said to be for four years, with certain options for both sides after the first three.

The papers cannot be signed or officially announced until next week.

Pierce opted out of the final year of his previous contract and became an unrestricted free agent at 12:01 Thursday. But he took that route with the intention of re-signing with the Celtics in a deal that would help his own future and allow the club better maneuverability.

The numbers were not available, but Pierce will in the 2010-11 season make significantly less that the $21,513,521 he was scheduled to receive. That will aid the Celtics’ position versus the luxury tax.

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/celtics/index.php/2010/07/02/pierce-celtics-reach-agreement/

[clubalien]

Toronto Raptors have reached agreement to sign centre Amir Johnson to a five-year, $34 million deal, agent Kevin Bradbury tells Y! Sports.

:lol
i wonder if that signing of a center helps confirm this
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157709

[benefactor]

Pierce's deal getting done is not a surprise...especially with Doc returning.

[lurker23]

@SpearsNBAYahoo

Suns agreed to term on a 4year, $18 million deal with free agent F Hakim Warrick, sources tell Y! Looks like Amare era in Phx could be over

[Mel_13]

I don't want Amare on my team, but I can't understand Phoenix failing to keep him because they don't want to guarantee the last year of his deal, only to turn around and give 48M to Channing Frye and Hakim Warrick.

You won't risk money to be paid to Amare, but you guarantee money to Frye and Warrick?

Does that make sense to anyone?

[Ice009]

@SpearsNBAYahoo

Suns agreed to term on a 4year, $18 million deal with free agent F Hakim Warrick, sources tell Y! Looks like Amare era in Phx could be over

So is this another reason that you gotta offer Tiago the full mid level exception straight up???

I mean if the Spurs were trying to save a little money to sign someone else and now Warrick gets close to the mid level then I have no idea what the Spurs are doing with Tiago.

[dbestpro]

@SpearsNBAYahoo

Suns agreed to term on a 4year, $18 million deal with free agent F Hakim Warrick, sources tell Y! Looks like Amare era in Phx could be over

Some how, I just don't see the pick and roll with Warrick and Nash having the same effect as with Amare and Nash.

[MannyIsGod]

Giving up on Amare for Frye and Warrick is amazing to me. Its gotta be personal with Sarver.

[lurker23]

Hollinger has a nice column in today's Daily Dime. Here's a snippet that I find the most interesting, and perhaps most applicable to Richard Jefferson's situation:

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-freeagency-100701/seller-market

Do the math. We have 10 maximum-salary slots among the free-agent contenders: three for Miami, two for Chicago, New York and New Jersey, and one for the Clippers.

We have 10 players who are max-contract candidates: LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Dirk Nowitzki, Paul Pierce, Amare Stoudemire, Carlos Boozer, Joe Johnson, David Lee and Rudy Gay.

Seems like a perfect match of supply and demand so far. However, Pierce and Nowitzki are almost certain to return to their former teams. Gay already has committed to return to Memphis, and Johnson appears close to returning to Atlanta.

Now we have six players for 10 slots. If LeBron returns to Cleveland, that makes five. And we haven't discussed the possibility of Boozer, Stoudemire or Bosh being signed-and-traded to a team already over the cap -- a real possibility given the lucrative sixth year they can add on their deals in such an arrangement.

If all that happens, that means it's possible only Wade and Lee (by re-signing six-year deals with their current teams) would eat up max-salary slots from one of the teams with cap space.

Which would leave about $120 million in cap space out on the market, chasing a bunch of players who aren't worth anywhere near that type of money.

Think about it. After those players, who's next on the list? Luis Scola? Raymond Felton? John Salmons? Josh Childress? Ray Allen?

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In my opinion, Richard Jefferson probably gets thrown into that list of names at the end.

[MannyIsGod]

God damn twitter needs new servers bad.

[lurker23]

@WojYahooNBA

Knicks and Amar'e Stoudemire in serious talks on 5 year, max contract; Deal could come as soon as Friday. http://tinyurl.com/2d8yzp9

[Mel_13]

With no S&T possible, the Knicks get a 'bargain' on Amare.

[MannyIsGod]

Knicks afraid they're going to be left out in the cold because pretty much no one wants to go there.

[DPG21920]

With no S&T possible, the Knicks get a 'bargain' on Amare.

Why is there no S&T possible?

[MannyIsGod]

Why is there no S&T possible?

They have to renounce Amare in order to sign both Frye and Warrick.

:lol

It gets funnier and funnier every time I think about it.

[Mel_13]

Why is there no S&T possible?

They had to renounce Amare to sign Frye and Warrick. Genius, that Sarver is.

[DPG21920]

If it's true Houston offered scola/ariza in a sign & trade and they did not do that ....lol

[clubalien]

tony, rj, and Amare

the knicks new run and gun offense?

[objective]

They had to renounce Amare to sign Frye and Warrick. Genius, that Sarver is.

Couldn't they wait until July 8th to S/T rather than renounce him? They can't sign Warrick officially until then anyway.

[Mel_13]

Couldn't they wait until July 8th to S/T rather than renounce him? They can't sign Warrick officially until then anyway.

The opposite has been widely reported, but that doesn't mean they're right.

I think you're right. They could S&T him for a trade exception. With his contract off the books, they would be under the cap and could sign Frye and Warrick. As long as everyone cooperated, that should work.

[MannyIsGod]

They could def do it for a trade exemption but then that just means Amare still goes to a team with cap room and not a team like Houston.

[peacemaker885]

If and when Amare moves to New York, I think RJ will make a good complement to D'Antoni's run and gun fast play.

[Creation88]

Wade, Chicago meeting for second time on Friday as Wade becomes further intrigued with Bulls -- and possible LBJ partnership. link coming.

[MannyIsGod]

chadfordinsider (http://twitter.com/chadfordinsider) I've confirmed the Wade-Bulls meeting tonight. Source believes Wade is leaning toward joining Bulls ... Link coming

[EricB]

Being from there, and the kids being there, its becoming a no brainer him moving there.

[EricB]

alanhahn (http://twitter.com/alanhahn)
I've been told by several sources that Amar'e is ready to choose the Knicks max offer. Market for him was surprisingly light

[objective]

Steve Blake allegedly had agreed to a 4 year deal with the Lakers, per LA radio and some Oregonian talk show host.

[murpjf88]

chadfordinsider (http://twitter.com/chadfordinsider) I've confirmed the Wade-Bulls meeting tonight. Source believes Wade is leaning toward joining Bulls ... Link coming

Chad's sources are wacked.

[EricB]

Blake to the Lakers? Just great...

[ducks]

so no miller for lakers!

[Thompson]

What did the Lakers spend on Blake? Hopefully they had to use the MLE so they're not a threat to take Miller any more.

[lurker23]

What did the Lakers spend on Blake? Hopefully they had to use the MLE so they're not a threat to take Miller any more.

@SpearsNBAYahoo

Y! Sports has confirmed Steve Blake commited to four-year, $16 million offer to join Lakers, league source said. Oregonian first reported it

[slick'81]

What did the Lakers spend on Blake? Hopefully they had to use the MLE so they're not a threat to take Miller any more.


thats what im saying if they get miller and blake its game over :lol

[TimDunkem]

What did the Lakers spend on Blake? Hopefully they had to use the MLE so they're not a threat to take Miller any more.
I think the number was something like 4 years/$16 million.

[EricB]

Seems like it took a majority of the MLE.

Miller will go somewhere for the MLE. Its a pipe dream hoping miller comes

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I guess Blake hasn't any other moves in free agency. With the contracts players have been getting so far, it seems absurd to accept a reasonable contract from here on out.

[ducks]

blake must not wanted pacers

[Creation88]

Wade "leaning" toward Chicago via Chad Ford

take it for what it's worth

[objective]

blake must not wanted pacers

Mike Wells, the Pacers beat writer for the Indy Star was just on Indy radio today reporting that the Pacers aren't offering anything other 1-year deals to every free agent they talk to except Kyle Lowry.

Shame too, I think Mahinmi could possilbly start there and regurgitate J-O'Neal's early Pacer years with Murphy and Foster due to leave and Hansborough falling down from dizziness.

[ducks]

pacers must be hoping for tp

[MannyIsGod]

Mike Wells, the Pacers beat writer for the Indy Star was just on Indy radio today reporting that the Pacers aren't offering anything other 1-year deals to every free agent they talk to except Kyle Lowry.

Shame too, I think Mahinmi could possilbly start there and regurgitate J-O'Neal's early Pacer years with Murphy and Foster due to leave and Hansborough falling down from dizziness.

Jesus Christ you're delusional about Ian. Dude hasn't even put up good numbers off anyone's bench and you're saying he could be an all start starting power forward.

[objective]

Jesus Christ you're delusional about Ian. Dude hasn't even put up good numbers off anyone's bench and you're saying he could be an all start starting power forward.

O'Neal only averaged 12.9 points a game his first year with Indy, he wasn't an all-star. And he hadn't done any better off of Portland's bench than Ian with the Spurs.

Who's going to start for Indy if they dump Murphy's expiring and Tyler Hansborough can't even play in the summer league because of his bizarre concussion/ear-infection-with-scarring? And on the cheap?

Laugh all you want, history will prove me right.

[TimmehC]

chadfordinsider (http://twitter.com/chadfordinsider) I've confirmed the Wade-Bulls meeting tonight. Source believes Wade is leaning toward joining Bulls ... Link coming

Also, either George Hill or Tony Parker will be traded by 8 days ago. And Darko will dominate the league.

[TD 21]

But remember, even the Lakers want to cut costs and Jackson is leaning towards retirement and the vast majority of their core are injured and...magically, all of that went away, as the Lakers continue their run as the luckiest franchise in the history of professional sports.

Do they ever get bad news? Don't give me the "Bynum missed the '08 playoffs" nonsense, because his injury sealed the Gasol "trade" and meant that they'd have the poor man's twin towers to go with one of the best players in the world and far and away the best "third big" on any team for at least the next handful of years.

The weaknesses they do have, of course they have to fill. Blake is just decent, but he's a good fit and if Fisher pulls an Horry '08 in '11, he's good enough to finish games or even take over the starting position without it costing them a championship. Farmar was too erratic and inconsistent to do that.

[timvp]

Shame too, I think Mahinmi could possilbly start there and regurgitate J-O'Neal's early Pacer years

Sounds painful.

[slick'81]

But remember, even the Lakers want to cut costs and Jackson is leaning towards retirement and the vast majority of their core are injured and...magically, all of that went away, as the Lakers continue their run as the luckiest franchise in the history of professional sports.

Do they ever get bad news? Don't give me the "Bynum missed the '08 playoffs" nonsense, because his injury sealed the Gasol "trade" and meant that they'd have the poor man's twin towers to go with one of the best players in the world and far and away the best "third big" on any team for at least the next handful of years.

The weaknesses they do have, of course they have to fill. Blake is just decent, but he's a good fit and if Fisher pulls an Horry '08 in '11, he's good enough to finish games or even take over the starting position without it costing them a championship. Farmar was too erratic and inconsistent to do that.



if they find a way to get miller which i dont see how i think ill be sick

[EricB]

Blake has a tendency to jack shots and miss them in 4th quarters. Seen it slot in Denver....

[benefactor]

Blake has a tendency to jack shots and miss them in 4th quarters. Seen it slot in Denver....
That doesn't matter. Fisher will get those minutes in the playoffs.

[peacemaker885]

Man, Lakers are just raking it in...

[Mel_13]

That doesn't matter. Fisher will get those minutes in the playoffs.

Exactly, Fisher can morph in Horry 2.0 and play just enough in the regular season to be in shape for the playoffs.

[BackHome]

I read somewhere that James camp didn't like New York campaign but that liked New Jerseys. Also, that Wade wants Lebron to come to Miami but that Lebron wants Wade to go to Chicago or New Jersey.

So from what they are saying so far "Take it for what it's worth" :

Miami signs Wade and Bosh is tight with Wade and likes Miami

New York gets Amare

Dallas offerred 96 mill to Dirk

So that just leaves Chicago and New Jersey to go after Lebron and Boozer.

One thing who ever doesn't get Boozer should get Scola...

Wade/Bosh/Scola would be tough.

[TD 21]

if they find a way to get miller which i dont see how i think ill be sick

They can't afford Miller now, because they only have $1.8 of their mid-level exception available after signing Blake for $4 million. Miller is likely to command at least the full mid-level exception, which is $5.8 million.

The thing that annoys is, like I said, it's not that Blake is some great player, but he fills a need and upgrades one of their weaknesses. Their biggest strength outweighs any other team's biggest strength, so if they close the gap at the point, if they close the gap in three-point shooting and to a lesser extent, if they close the gap in front court depth, then why even play a season? Because short of Bryant declining rapidly or a rash of injuries to their core, you can hand them the trophy right now. And as we just witnessed in game seven, when push comes to shove, they're also still going to receive favorable officiating.

[peacemaker885]

Salmons off the table:


AP source: Bucks, Salmons agree for $40M

By COLIN FLY, AP Sports Writer 2 hours, 1 minute ago

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MILWAUKEE (AP)—Another day, another deal for the Milwaukee Bucks, who have suddenly become one of the biggest buyers during the most-hyped free agency period in NBA history.

The Bucks made another major move Friday, agreeing in principle to a $40 million, five-year deal with free agent guard John Salmons(notes), a person familiar with the negotiations told The Associated Press. The person spoke to the AP on the condition of anonymity Friday because the deal can’t become official until next Thursday.

read more.. (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AsRqt127GFQ6dUb1X8CYWH.8vLYF?slug=ap-bucks-salmons)

[ducks]

ChiTribuneLive

http://twitter.com/ChiTribuneLive

CSN has confirmed that Wade and Bosh are both currently at Henry Thomas' office with #Bulls management #Heat #freeagency #NBA

[Spurs Brazil]

They had to renounce Amare to sign Frye and Warrick. Genius, that Sarver is.

Suns :lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

[BackHome]

I don't know if the Suns are making a bad move they are not going to win with Amare so do you do something stupid like Atlanta or Memphis and sign players to huge contracts? I mean serious Joe Johnson getting 100 million that is a team killing contract the same for Gays 80 million.

[BadMotorscooter]

I don't know if the Suns are making a bad move they are not going to win with Amare so do you do something stupid like Atlanta or Memphis and sign players to huge contracts? I mean serious Joe Johnson getting 100 million that is a team killing contract the same for Gays 80 million.

People need to remember that Atlanta was a bottom feeder before Johnson arrived. Now they are making the playoffs and the owner is making money. It doesnt matter if the Hawks win championships, it matters if they can prolong the season and Joe Johnson gives them that. The owner of the Hawks knows what he is doing. He'll make his money back. He's supplying a product with a great player in a small market. He's not in L.A., New York, Chicago, ect... Keep Joe Johnson and keep making the playoffs. And the owner will make money.

[TD 21]

They lose Brown and Farmar.....and replace with Blake....I like Brown far more than Blake and Farmar is a better offensive player so I dont see them gaining anything.

Farmar is more erratic and inconsistent than Blake. As for Brown, I suspect he'll end up returning to the Lakers.

[EricB]

Shannon brown will get paid by someone else. The feeling here in socal is that he's gone...

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

They lose Brown and Farmar.....and replace with Blake....I like Brown far more than Blake and Farmar is a better offensive player so I dont see them gaining anything.

They barely played Brown and Farmar is horrible. Blake isn't that much of an upgrade, but he's still better.

[BadMotorscooter]

Shannon brown will get paid by someone else. The feeling here in socal is that he's gone...


Shannon Brown has the "potential" label like Trevor Ariza had. Someone will pay him, I agree.

[TD 21]

Chris Tomasson: San Antonio has called to express interest in Restricted FA Wesley Matthews. (http://hoopshype.com/twitter_media.html) Matthews seems like a perfect Spur if he doesn't return to Utah Twitter (http://hoopshype.com/twitter_media.html)


I knew the Spurs would be interested in Matthews, but I expect the Jazz to re-sign him unless the Trail Blazers throw a ridiculous offer his way. Even then, with Boozer most likely gone, the Jazz might match it.


If someone overpays for Brown, then the Lakers will just turn to Bell or someone of that ilk and sign them on the cheap most likely. Sure, they'd be older and less athletic, but with Blake and Bell, they'd be better in the short term. Even if Bell has lost another step defensively, if Artest and Vujacic are allowed to whack the hell out of people and get away with it, why wouldn't Bell be allowed to? Brown, like Farmar, is erratic and inconsistent. With Blake and Bell, the Lakers would have more reliable three-point shooting.

[Mhak]

I've been only reading/hearing other Team reloading!!! I'm getting very impatient in what the spurs will do!!!

[EricB]

I've been only reading/hearing other Team reloading!!! I'm getting very impatient in what the spurs will do!!!

Your getting impatient on day 2? Seriously?

[ceperez]

My bet is the Spurs F.O. will wait till everyone has been given an offer and then make a low ball offer to anyone who hasn't.

[Mhak]

Your getting impatient on day 2? Seriously?


Yeap!! and very anxious!!! I hate this time of the year.... What can i say I love the spurs and want to know whats up..

[Mel_13]

My bet is the Spurs F.O. will wait till everyone has been given an offer and then make a low ball offer to anyone who hasn't.


If the largest salary they can offer is the LLE, that would be the best strategy.

[Mikesatx]

All of these teams are rushing to get players and at this early stage overpaying. With a limit to what each team has to spend the balancing of these overpriced contacts will be quality players to be had at a value. The Spurs sitting back and letting the dust settle makes a lot of sense to me.

[Mel_13]

Larry Coon, the guru of the CBA (http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm) will be taking questions for the next two hours on ESPN's Daily Dime:

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dimelive-100702/daily-dime-live

[TD 21]

All of these teams are rushing to get players and at this early stage overpaying. With a limit to what each team has to spend the balancing of these overpriced contacts will be quality players to be had at a value. The Spurs sitting back and letting the dust settle makes a lot of sense to me.

Just like they did with Pargo in the summer of '08...

This isn't the glory days anymore, no credible veteran is coming to the Spurs for cheap unless it's a situation where they don't have a true SF under contract and have such an opening as far as minutes go that someone like, say for example Butler, signs a one-year deal for cheap just so he can play 30 mpg and inflate his value.

Let's hope Duncan is putting pressure on the front office. Just signing Splitter and then thinking they're going to luck into a Jackson '03 type performance from some bargain basket wing isn't going to be enough. We know they don't have the resources to acquire a major player and that's not really needed, but a bargain basket signing or two isn't going to be enough, either.

[MannyIsGod]

Just like they did with Pargo in the summer of '08...

This isn't the glory days anymore, no credible veteran is coming to the Spurs for cheap unless it's a situation where they don't have a true SF under contract and have such an opening as far as minutes go that someone like, say for example Butler, signs a one-year deal for cheap just so he can play 30 mpg and inflate his value.

Let's hope Duncan is putting pressure on the front office. Just signing Splitter and then thinking they're going to luck into a Jackson '03 type performance from some bargain basket wing isn't going to be enough. We know they don't have the resources to acquire a major player and that's not really needed, but a bargain basket signing or two isn't going to be enough, either.

They're over the cap. They can't just spend money on players at will.

I swear I see some of you post on this forum but I wonder if you actually read it.

[EricB]

You mean they just can't spend magic money?

[noles1983]

You mean they just can't spend magic money?

Our government can, why cant the spurs?

[Mikesatx]

Just like they did with Pargo in the summer of '08...

This isn't the glory days anymore, no credible veteran is coming to the Spurs for cheap unless it's a situation where they don't have a true SF under contract and have such an opening as far as minutes go that someone like, say for example Butler, signs a one-year deal for cheap just so he can play 30 mpg and inflate his value.

Let's hope Duncan is putting pressure on the front office. Just signing Splitter and then thinking they're going to luck into a Jackson '03 type performance from some bargain basket wing isn't going to be enough. We know they don't have the resources to acquire a major player and that's not really needed, but a bargain basket signing or two isn't going to be enough, either.


That wasn't my point. I don't view this offseason as being one piece away. There is nothing the Spurs can do in the offseason to elevate them to one of the teams as a favorite to win a title. My hope is they improve the team, the acquisition of Splitter and addition of Anderson will do that. That gives them a punchers chance at a title.

What I absolutely don't want is for the team in desperation to overpay for a player. My logic with waiting it out is there are limited dollars and a lot of players chasing those limited dollars. You are going to end up with some quality players that need a contract and will have to settle for less money than they may be worth because other players received more money than they are worth.

[TD 21]

They're over the cap. They can't just spend money on players at will.

I swear I see some of you post on this forum but I wonder if you actually read it.

You act like I said "why haven't they signed James, Wade or Bosh?". All I'm saying is that this notion that they're going to out-smart everyone and get some quality veteran for cheap is probably not realistic.

If they're serious about winning the championship next season and not just being as cheap as possible while maintaining a sliver of hope at competing, then they should be aggressive and pushing to get something done. It might even take a hint of creativity and not just sitting around waiting, thinking "we're the Spurs, someone credible, who's flying under the radar will come to us later in the summer for cheap and we'll make out like bandits". Maybe they are being aggressive, I'm not ruling out the possibility. But with the amount of information flying around and them figuring so little into it, I'm inclined to believe they're not.

The Timberwolves sign Pekovic immediately and they're still messing around with Splitter, even though they should have been prepared well in advance to sign him the instant free agency opened. They knew it was probably going to take the full MLE, so just offer it and move on to the next order of business. They're more than likely not going to get him for around $4 million and they desperately need him if they have designs on winning the championship next season. There is no realistic alternative that makes that feasible. Why risk alienating him? He can make more staying in Europe and he might just stay if they don't give him what he wants and what he's worth.

This "we're smarter than everyone else and we're the Spurs, so they'll come to us and on our terms" nonsense has to go. That carried weight in Duncan's prime. Now, they're not some prime destination, they're just a team struggling to maintain relevancy.

[EricB]

alanhahn (http://twitter.com/alanhahn)
I'm being told Amar'e believes he can help Knicks get LeBron (recall all-star wknd in feb.). He's also texting Tony Parker about teaming up.

[EricB]

You act like I said "why haven't they signed James, Wade or Bosh?". All I'm saying is that this notion that they're going to out-smart everyone and get some quality veteran for cheap is probably not realistic.

If they're serious about winning the championship next season and not just being as cheap as possible while maintaining a sliver of hope at competing, then they should be aggressive and pushing to get something done. It might even take a hint of creativity and not just sitting around waiting, thinking "we're the Spurs, someone credible, who's flying under the radar will come to us later in the summer for cheap and we'll make out like bandits". Maybe they are being aggressive, I'm not ruling out the possibility. But with the amount of information flying around and them figuring so little into it, I'm inclined to believe they're not.

The Timberwolves sign Pekovic immediately and they're still messing around with Splitter, even though they should have been prepared well in advance to sign him the instant free agency opened. They knew it was probably going to take the full MLE, so just offer it and move on to the next order of business. They're more than likely not going to get him for around $4 million and they desperately need him if they have designs on winning the championship next season. There is no realistic alternative that makes that feasible. Why risk alienating him? He can make more staying in Europe and he might just stay if they don't give him what he wants and what he's worth.

This "we're smarter than everyone else and we're the Spurs, so they'll come to us and on our terms" nonsense has to go. That carried weight in Duncan's prime. Now, they're not some prime destination, they're just a team struggling to maintain relevancy.


Just curious, how do you know they are "messing around" with Splitter?


Also, you understand Splitter gets the whole MLE, and after that they won't have money, again, how the hell do you expect them to get players with no money?

[Chieflion]

Amar'e: Hey, Tony, you burned Steve plenty of times in the playoffs, I would like to team up with you in New York, you are a hell of a balla. Force a trade, dude.

[TD 21]

Just curious, how do you know they are "messing around" with Splitter?


Also, you understand Splitter gets the whole MLE, and after that they won't have money, again, how the hell do you expect them to get players with no money?

Just curious, why do you feel the need to defend everything the front office does?

How do I know? I don't know for certain, it's called taking an educated guess. If they weren't messing around, a deal would already be done or at least imminent. We know he wants to come, we know what it's likely to take and they've known both of these things for a while, so what's the wait? We're not even hearing anything is imminent, just that negotiations are underway.

There's something called the LLE, there's minimum salaries, there's trades. They're going to have to get creative and be persuasive, no one said it would be easy, but it's doable. For the umpteenth time, I'm not expecting something major, but they can't seriously think that they'll have a legit shot to win a championship next season by hoping to sign the Butler's of the world later in the summer. That's not going to cut it.

[justinandimcool]

Deng to Portland, but Spurs involved?

http://twitter.com/jgoff670

[Seventyniner]

You mean they just can't spend magic money?

Can't the Spurs get a bailout in case we have to go into the tax?

No wait, the Knicks would get all the money...they're too big to fail.

[Mikesatx]

The front office has a hell of record drafting players and they have no ridiculous contracts in addition to the 4 titles in the trophy case. I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt. Other than signing Splitter today instead of later what specifically do you propose they do?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Deng to Portland, but Spurs involved?

http://twitter.com/jgoff670

I don't get where the Spurs can fit in on that trade.

[TD 21]

It's not my job to make something happen, it's theirs. I understand and accept the reality of their situation, so for the 500th time I'll say: I'm not expecting something major. But at the same time, they can't just settle, they've got to be aggressive and creative. If they are, that's great, but I don't get that sense based on all of the information flying around and how little they figure into it.

Spurs supposedly involved with Bulls and Trail Blazers? Why would Trail Blazers want Deng, when they're (rightfully so) high on Batum?

The only thing I can think of is they're making a play to acquire Batum. Something like Blair and a 1st. Can't see it happening, just throwing something out there. Then they'd re-sign Bonner, because you know they have to find a way for him to be in the rotation. Can't possibly have him on the outs.

[Seventyniner]

I don't get where the Spurs can fit in on that trade.

Maybe Chicago ends up as a sign-and-trade destination for RJ to get the Spurs a trade exception? Once Deng is traded, they'd have a lot more cap space, but would need a SF if LeBron doesn't sign there (example, they get Wade and Bosh but not LeBron).

Quite a stretch, though. I don't get it either.

[MannyIsGod]

alanhahn (http://twitter.com/alanhahn)
I'm being told Amar'e believes he can help Knicks get LeBron (recall all-star wknd in feb.). He's also texting Tony Parker about teaming up.

Uh, he'd better not be. Tampering, mfer.

[MannyIsGod]

You act like I said "why haven't they signed James, Wade or Bosh?". All I'm saying is that this notion that they're going to out-smart everyone and get some quality veteran for cheap is probably not realistic.

If they're serious about winning the championship next season and not just being as cheap as possible while maintaining a sliver of hope at competing, then they should be aggressive and pushing to get something done. It might even take a hint of creativity and not just sitting around waiting, thinking "we're the Spurs, someone credible, who's flying under the radar will come to us later in the summer for cheap and we'll make out like bandits". Maybe they are being aggressive, I'm not ruling out the possibility. But with the amount of information flying around and them figuring so little into it, I'm inclined to believe they're not.

The Timberwolves sign Pekovic immediately and they're still messing around with Splitter, even though they should have been prepared well in advance to sign him the instant free agency opened. They knew it was probably going to take the full MLE, so just offer it and move on to the next order of business. They're more than likely not going to get him for around $4 million and they desperately need him if they have designs on winning the championship next season. There is no realistic alternative that makes that feasible. Why risk alienating him? He can make more staying in Europe and he might just stay if they don't give him what he wants and what he's worth.

This "we're smarter than everyone else and we're the Spurs, so they'll come to us and on our terms" nonsense has to go. That carried weight in Duncan's prime. Now, they're not some prime destination, they're just a team struggling to maintain relevancy.

You realize the only reason this team isn't in the luxury tax is because of Richard Jefferson's suprise opt out and you're calling them cheap? They're pretty much handcuffed at the moment and being cheap isn't something the Spurs have been in the past couple of years.

I think your characterization of the front office is piss poor. I'm fairly certain that they haven't gotten to where they are by simply thinking they are smarter than everyone else and waiting for someone to drop in and say "SIGN ME" so I'm not sure why you're even acting like thats the case.

I get it, you want them to bring in championship pieces but when people like Darko and Amir fucking Johnson are getting deals that they are getting how the hell do you propose they do something?

And if all you're going to say is "its not my job" then maybe you shouldn't say the things you do? Its fine if you want to have unrealistic expectations but don't be disappointed when they go unmet.

[slick'81]

Uh, he'd better not be. Tampering, mfer.


thats what im saying dude's got a year left why the fuck is amare texting him maybe for next season i guess

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Uh, he'd better not be. Tampering, mfer.

Players are technically allowed to do that. It's not called tampering until an official from the team gets involved.

[TD 21]

You realize the only reason this team isn't in the luxury tax is because of Richard Jefferson's suprise opt out and you're calling them cheap? They're pretty much handcuffed at the moment and being cheap isn't something the Spurs have been in the past couple of years.

I think your characterization of the front office is piss poor. I'm fairly certain that they haven't gotten to where they are by simply thinking they are smarter than everyone else and waiting for someone to drop in and say "SIGN ME" so I'm not sure why you're even acting like thats the case.

I get it, you want them to bring in championship pieces but when people like Darko and Amir fucking Johnson are getting deals that they are getting how the hell do you propose they do something?

And if all you're going to say is "its not my job" then maybe you shouldn't say the things you do? Its fine if you want to have unrealistic expectations but don't be disappointed when they go unmet.

You're really going to dispute them being cheap? Really? Just because they've won and made shrewd moves over the years doesn't mean they're not cheap. You do know that prior to taking on Jefferson's contract they were rarely a tax paying team? The only reason they took on his contract is because they knew the big three needed more help and because they wanted to attempt to payback Duncan for giving up $11 million over 2 years on his last extension.

Well, you're entitled to your opinion. I'm not saying the front office has always been that way, but they have been at times and I get the sense they're being that way right now. Maybe I'm wrong. I never said my opinion was fact.

I'm not getting paid millions to come up with something, they are. We know it's not going to be easy, I get it, I understand how restricted and limited they are, but if they're really serious about winning a championship this season, then they'll come up with something or at least try like hell to. I'm not hearing things like "Spurs working feverishly to acquire (fill in the blank)" or "Spurs are desperate to get something done or make a move". Nothing.

[Mikesatx]

You're really going to dispute them being cheap? Really? Just because they've won and made shrewd moves over the years doesn't mean they're not cheap. You do know that prior to taking on Jefferson's contract they were rarely a tax paying team? The only reason they took on his contract is because they knew the big three needed more help and because they wanted to attempt to payback Duncan for giving up $11 million over 2 years on his last extension.

Well, you're entitled to your opinion. I'm not saying the front office has always been that way, but they have been at times and I get the sense they're being that way right now. Maybe I'm wrong. I never said my opinion was fact.

I'm not getting paid millions to come up with something, they are. We know it's not going to be easy, I get it, I understand how restricted and limited they are, but if they're really serious about winning a championship this season, then they'll come up with something or at least try like hell to. I'm not hearing things like "Spurs working feverishly to acquire (fill in the blank)" or "Spurs are desperate to get something done or make a move". Nothing.

Isiah Thomas agrees with everything you have said.

[MannyIsGod]

You're really going to dispute them being cheap? Really? Just because they've won and made shrewd moves over the years doesn't mean they're not cheap. You do know that prior to taking on Jefferson's contract they were rarely a tax paying team? The only reason they took on his contract is because they knew the big three needed more help and because they wanted to attempt to payback Duncan for giving up $11 million over 2 years on his last extension.


What did I say? Over the past couple of years right? Like I said in my first post to you, I'm not sure you read very much on here.

The Spurs had the fifth largest payroll in the league last year. You may think thats cheap. I don't.



Well, you're entitled to your opinion. I'm not saying the front office has always been that way, but they have been at times and I get the sense they're being that way right now. Maybe I'm wrong. I never said my opinion was fact.

I'm not getting paid millions to come up with something, they are. We know it's not going to be easy, I get it, I understand how restricted and limited they are, but if they're really serious about winning a championship this season, then they'll come up with something or at least try like hell to. I'm not hearing things like "Spurs working feverishly to acquire (fill in the blank)" or "Spurs are desperate to get something done or make a move". Nothing.

LOL @ I'm not hearing. Do you EVER hear anything about what the Spurs are doing until its done?

[Big P]

You act like I said "why haven't they signed James, Wade or Bosh?". All I'm saying is that this notion that they're going to out-smart everyone and get some quality veteran for cheap is probably not realistic.

If they're serious about winning the championship next season and not just being as cheap as possible while maintaining a sliver of hope at competing, then they should be aggressive and pushing to get something done. It might even take a hint of creativity and not just sitting around waiting, thinking "we're the Spurs, someone credible, who's flying under the radar will come to us later in the summer for cheap and we'll make out like bandits". Maybe they are being aggressive, I'm not ruling out the possibility. But with the amount of information flying around and them figuring so little into it, I'm inclined to believe they're not.

The Timberwolves sign Pekovic immediately and they're still messing around with Splitter, even though they should have been prepared well in advance to sign him the instant free agency opened. They knew it was probably going to take the full MLE, so just offer it and move on to the next order of business. They're more than likely not going to get him for around $4 million and they desperately need him if they have designs on winning the championship next season. There is no realistic alternative that makes that feasible. Why risk alienating him? He can make more staying in Europe and he might just stay if they don't give him what he wants and what he's worth.

This "we're smarter than everyone else and we're the Spurs, so they'll come to us and on our terms" nonsense has to go. That carried weight in Duncan's prime. Now, they're not some prime destination, they're just a team struggling to maintain relevancy.

Messing around? No one has signed anywhere..not allowed to until the 8th..all the names you have hear have been players that are re-upping with their original team...what is the advantage/purpose of the Spurs announcing that they have done anything before July 8?

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not hearing things like "Spurs working feverishly to acquire (fill in the blank)" or "Spurs are desperate to get something done or make a move". Nothing.When do you ever hear of the Spurs' "working feverishly" on something more than a day or so before it happened?

[TD 21]

What did I say? Over the past couple of years right? Like I said in my first post to you, I'm not sure you read very much on here.

The Spurs had the fifth largest payroll in the league last year. You may think thats cheap. I don't.



LOL @ I'm not hearing. Do you EVER hear anything about what the Spurs are doing until its done?

The past year, not couple of years.

I knew you or someone else would say that, but I'm not talking about specifics, I'm just talking in general terms.


Messing around? No one has signed anywhere..not allowed to until the 8th..all the names you have hear have been players that are re-upping with their original team...what is the advantage/purpose of the Spurs announcing that they have done anything before July 8?

You can reach a verbal agreement or agree in principal, etc. We've heard of myriad agreements so far. Advantage/purpose? Why does it have to be some sort of secret?


When do you ever hear of the Spurs' "working feverishly" on something more than a day or so before it happened?

We heard about the interest in Jefferson as far back as the '09 trade deadline and we knew that they were working to get something done with Bowen's and Oberto's partially guaranteed contracts before July 1st last year. We heard of their interest and then rumored signing of McDyess days in advance last year.

The Spurs might be tough to get information on, but not impossible. If they were aggressively pursuing something, a signing, trade, whatever, I'm sure someone would have said something by now.

I realize there's a Bulls-Trail Blazers rumor with them supposedly involved, but I was saying this before news of that broke.

[E-RockWill]

Spurstalk vs. TD21

The "Butthurt Saga" continues........

[ohmwrecker]

alanhahn (http://twitter.com/alanhahn)
I'm being told Amar'e believes he can help Knicks get LeBron (recall all-star wknd in feb.). He's also texting Tony Parker about teaming up.

No way. There is nothing the Knicks have that is worth trading Parker for.

[timvp]

No way. There is nothing the Knicks have that is worth trading Parker for.

Well if the Spurs give Jefferson a $10M/per contract, it's not totally out of the realm of possibilities that the Spurs would salary dump TP's final year for something minimal in return. It'd really be the only way to avoid the lux tax.

Man, if it turns out that the Spurs re-sign RJ and then dump TP to make room, that'd be a franchise killer.

[HarlemHeat37]

The Spurs re-signing Jefferson to a multi-year contract(which would happen if the Spurs re-sign him, obviously) would be horrible enough as it is..

Wilson Chandler is the only Knick I would be interested in, I doubt a trade happens with them, unless another team gets involved..

[MannyIsGod]

Well if the Spurs give Jefferson a $10M/per contract, it's not totally out of the realm of possibilities that the Spurs would salary dump TP's final year for something minimal in return. It'd really be the only way to avoid the lux tax.

Man, if it turns out that the Spurs re-sign RJ and then dump TP to make room, that'd be a franchise killer.

Why on earth would they ever do that? I don't think thats even a plausible scenario.

[timvp]

Why on earth would they ever do that? I don't think thats even a plausible scenario.

If Holt says the Spurs can't be a tax team, there is only one real way to shed a big salary. It's hopefully an unlikely scenario but not totally out of the realm of possibilities.

[AFBlue]

If Holt says the Spurs can't be a tax team, there is only one real way to shed a big salary. It's hopefully an unlikely scenario but not totally out of the realm of possibilities.

If their main goal is to avoid being a tax team, I'm pretty sure they could just let RJ walk. Why would they choose RJ over Tony in any scenario?

[timvp]

If their main goal is to avoid being a tax team, I'm pretty sure they could just let RJ walk. Why would they choose RJ over Tony in any scenario?

It's possible that the Spurs convinced RJ to opt out to sign a more cap-friendly deal . . .

[Thompson]

It's possible that the Spurs convinced RJ to opt out to sign a more cap-friendly deal . . .

Wouldn't we know about the new deal by now if that was the case (even though the Spurs tend to be tight-lipped about such things)?

Maybe that was the case until RJ's eyes lit up watching all the crazy deals out there and he's waiting to see if he can cash in too.

[MannyIsGod]

If Holt says the Spurs can't be a tax team, there is only one real way to shed a big salary. It's hopefully an unlikely scenario but not totally out of the realm of possibilities.

Except they're a cap friendly team right now without RJ. Resigning RJ only to trade Parker seems ass backwards to me and I'd rather they just let RJ walk and give it a go with just the big 3 for one more year.

I mean fuck, signing RJ only to trade parker makes me want to puke.

[MannyIsGod]

It's possible that the Spurs convinced RJ to opt out to sign a more cap-friendly deal . . .

I doubt it - he'd have announced a deal by now. All indicators are that he's flirting with other teams so fuck him.

[AFBlue]

Except they're a cap friendly team right now without RJ. Resigning RJ only to trade Parker seems ass backwards to me and I'd rather they just let RJ walk and give it a go with just the big 3 for one more year.

I mean fuck, signing RJ only to trade parker makes me want to puke.

MIG and I are on the same page with this one.

I personally think that RJ signing spells the end for Parker next year or Hill the year after that. I'd much rather the Spurs go out with the Big 3 plus Hill...and hopefully Blair, Splitter and Anderson can make decent contributions.

[Russ]

It's possible that the Spurs convinced RJ to opt out to sign a more cap-friendly deal . . .


Wouldn't we know about the new deal by now if that was the case (even though the Spurs tend to be tight-lipped about such things)?

One of the reports was that the Spurs convinced RJ to opt out by assuring him that if he couldn't get a favorable deal elsewhere, then the Spurs would sign him to a more cap-friendly deal.

If so, it would not be unusual that the Spurs haven't resigned RJ yet -- they only do that if he can't find another deal elsewhere.

[Obstructed_View]

Uh, this makes no sense. Either the tweeter doesn't understand what's going on, or Amare's as dumb as people have been saying he is.

__________________________________________________
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NBA&id=856&line=137405&spln=1

Fantasy Basketball Breaking News
Amare Stoudemire: Amare trying to bring Parker, LeBron to NY

Amare Stoudemire reportedly thinks he can help get either LeBron James or Tony Parker to New York, if he agrees to sign the max offer that's believed to be coming to him.
Stoudemire and the Knicks appear to need each other, as rumors swirl that the Knicks presentation to LeBron was not all that great, and owners haven't been knocking down Stoudemire's door to offer him a max deal. We doubt that LeBron will be motivated to go to New York to play with Amare, and Stoudemire has also been texting the Spurs' Tony Parker. Whether he can get other big names to join him remains to be seen, but we doubt he's going to get a better offer than the Knicks are floating out there.

[lurker23]

"San Antonio Spurs free-agent guard Roger Mason Jr. is receiving interest from Chicago, Miami, New York and the Los Angeles Clippers. Teams see him as an affordable shooter to add alongside a top free agent."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AmtQB0h.iU.BVtDOaTe3SOy8vLYF?slug=ys-freeagentbuzz070310

[Mel_13]

Uh, this makes no sense. Either the tweeter doesn't understand what's going on, or Amare's as dumb as people have been saying he is.

Or both.

[lurker23]

The New York press is talking about Carmelo, too, so it seems they're talking about how to build a team around Amar'e, including potential 2011 free agent options.

http://mobile.newsday.com/inf/infomo;JSESSIONID=D81D6C928C9FBB385F42.2742?site=n ewsday&view=page3&feed:a=newsday_5min&feed:c=sports&feed:i=1.2075105&nopaging=1

As far as I'm concerned, it's just the typical New York sports attitude coming to light again. They think they're the center of the universe, and can get any athlete they want. "Who WOULDN'T want to play here?" :rolleyes

[Seventyniner]

"San Antonio Spurs free-agent guard Roger Mason Jr. is receiving interest from Chicago, Miami, New York and the Los Angeles Clippers. Teams see him as an affordable shooter to add alongside a top free agent."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AmtQB0h.iU.BVtDOaTe3SOy8vLYF?slug=ys-freeagentbuzz070310

Sure, RMJ can shoot. It's making those shots that's the problem.

[Mel_13]

As everyone knows, I reported last week on my morning drive show on Fox Sports Radio that LeBron James would join Dwayne Wade in Miami and take Chris Bosh with him to join the Heat. At the moment, that is still very possible, but there’s been a potentially huge monkey wrench thrown into the equation — with (understandable) greed on the part of Bosh being the main culprit.
http://stephena.com/?p=953




Stephen A. Smith is reporting that Stephen A. Smith's report was incorrect.
http://twitter.com/sportsguy33

[ducks]

espn ticket says now joe johnson is not going to commit to the hawks tell he finds out what other free agents do

[ducks]

wade is saying he is going to take weekend to decision


bosh is done making visits

[Blackjack]

Bulls challenge LeBron to live up to Jordan (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2010/07/bulls-challenge-lebron-to-live-up-to-jordan.html)
Doug Thonus

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/assets_c/2010/07/jordansshoes-thumb-580x386-176853.jpg

Ballsy. (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Chicago-is-daring-LeBron-James-to-play-for-the-B;_ylt=Ak4NxrAQv.lGK0GU.iTpCfQ5nYcB?urn=nba,253378 )


This is the type of thing that would have driven Michael Jordan, and the Bulls are taking a gamble that it will drive James as well. Play on his competitive fire. Play on his love for Jordan and fandom of the Bulls dynasty growing up.

I think it's really the only way for them to go. They can't hide the issue, so instead, go balls out with it and attempt to turn it into a positive.

[Blackjack]

:tu

[Juanobili]

^ haha oh snap

[slick'81]

lebron is a bulls jersey would be pretty sic

[Dro210]

Bulls challenge LeBron to live up to Jordan (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2010/07/bulls-challenge-lebron-to-live-up-to-jordan.html)
Doug Thonus

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/assets_c/2010/07/jordansshoes-thumb-580x386-176853.jpg

Ballsy. (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Chicago-is-daring-LeBron-James-to-play-for-the-B;_ylt=Ak4NxrAQv.lGK0GU.iTpCfQ5nYcB?urn=nba,253378 )


This is the type of thing that would have driven Michael Jordan, and the Bulls are taking a gamble that it will drive James as well. Play on his competitive fire. Play on his love for Jordan and fandom of the Bulls dynasty growing up.

I think it's really the only way for them to go. They can't hide the issue, so instead, go balls out with it and attempt to turn it into a positive.



Damn!... Like they said, it would have driven Jordan... and I think it would have worked well if designed for D-Wade too. They're the ultimate competitors.... Will it work for LeBron tho?

It'd work for me... lol... that's too clean.

[HankChinaski]

They probably used the same tactic with this shoebox for LeBron and Wade. Bosh on the other hand was sitting beside himself wondering, "Where's my Jordan's?"

[Blackjack]

Wade welcomes that challenge, LeBron get put on his heels from that challenge and the Bulls are smart enough not to offer such a challenge to Bosh, IMO.

[Spurs Brazil]

Lakers Retract Offer To Mike Miller

Jul 03, 2010 6:45 PM EST
After agreeing to terms with free-agent guard Steve Blake, the Lakers are no longer courting forward Mike Miller.

"Source told FOXSports.com that the Lakers offer to Mike Miller is no longer on the table following the Steve Blake signing," Jeff Goodman wrote on his Twitter page.



Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67797/20100703/lakers_retract_offer_to_mike_miller/#ixzz0sfJn1Spi

[gospursgojas]

Bulls challenge LeBron to live up to Jordan (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2010/07/bulls-challenge-lebron-to-live-up-to-jordan.html)
Doug Thonus

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/assets_c/2010/07/jordansshoes-thumb-580x386-176853.jpg

Ballsy. (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Chicago-is-daring-LeBron-James-to-play-for-the-B;_ylt=Ak4NxrAQv.lGK0GU.iTpCfQ5nYcB?urn=nba,253378 )


This is the type of thing that would have driven Michael Jordan, and the Bulls are taking a gamble that it will drive James as well. Play on his competitive fire. Play on his love for Jordan and fandom of the Bulls dynasty growing up.

I think it's really the only way for them to go. They can't hide the issue, so instead, go balls out with it and attempt to turn it into a positive.

Classic.

Too bad Lebron's $$$ fire burns hotter

[EricB]

alanhahn Not to tease, but I have to credit @CSheridanESPN. Heard today Joe Johnson is, in fact, still wavering. Knicks have full-court press on him.
1 minute ago

[Spurs Brazil]

JMcDonald_SAEN

Talked to Roger Mason today. Says he's heard from several teams, but #spurs aren't one of them. Chi, NY,Miami, and both LAs on list.

Two summers ago, Mason's choice came down to #spurs and Heat. Wouldn't be surprised if he lands in Miami this time. Just a hunch.

Mason has no plans to sell house in SA, and might end up coming back to live when he retires. Says "I fell in love w/ the city."

[Spurs Brazil]

STEIN_LINE_HQ Sources say Dirk to get guaranteed $80 million over next four seasons. Took less than max to give Mavs financial cushion for more moves

STEIN_LINE_HQ Just filed to ESPN.com: Dirk Nowitzki and the Dallas Mavericks have reached terms on a new four-year contract

[ducks]

james talked to cavs for one hour
james talked to bulls three hours

[Spurs Brazil]

Detroit Pistons’ reported free agent targets: Brendan Haywood, Matt Barnes and Raymond Felton

http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/07/detroit-pistons-reported-free-agent-targets-brendan-haywood-matt-barnes-and-raymond-felton/

[King]

Bulls challenge LeBron to live up to Jordan (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2010/07/bulls-challenge-lebron-to-live-up-to-jordan.html)
Doug Thonus

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/assets_c/2010/07/jordansshoes-thumb-580x386-176853.jpg

Ballsy. (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Chicago-is-daring-LeBron-James-to-play-for-the-B;_ylt=Ak4NxrAQv.lGK0GU.iTpCfQ5nYcB?urn=nba,253378 )


This is the type of thing that would have driven Michael Jordan, and the Bulls are taking a gamble that it will drive James as well. Play on his competitive fire. Play on his love for Jordan and fandom of the Bulls dynasty growing up.

I think it's really the only way for them to go. They can't hide the issue, so instead, go balls out with it and attempt to turn it into a positive.

I think that would lock up somebody like Kobe - but unfortunately, I don't think Lebron has enough competitive fire to bite on that one.

[ace3g]

rumor going around of a 3 team trade:

There are rumors of three-way trade discussions among Golden State, Minnesota and New York, in which Al Jefferson would be sent to the Warriors, Lee to the Timberwolves, and Monta Ellis to the Knicks.

Lee visited Minnesota on Saturday but the team holds only $7 million of salary-cap space which means that Lee would be looking for a sign-and-trade to get him to the Wolves at a contract nearer to his market value.

Read more: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67822/20100704/trade_rumor_jefferson_to_warriors_lee_to_wolves_el lis_to_knicks/#ixzz0sjdCl9XH

[Cane]

Well if Monta stays with the Knicks and doesn't get traded out then Tony Parker's not going to NYC anytime soon.

[gospursgojas]

rumor going around of a 3 team trade:

There are rumors of three-way trade discussions among Golden State, Minnesota and New York, in which Al Jefferson would be sent to the Warriors, Lee to the Timberwolves, and Monta Ellis to the Knicks.

Lee visited Minnesota on Saturday but the team holds only $7 million of salary-cap space which means that Lee would be looking for a sign-and-trade to get him to the Wolves at a contract nearer to his market value.

Read more: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67822/20100704/trade_rumor_jefferson_to_warriors_lee_to_wolves_el lis_to_knicks/#ixzz0sjdCl9XH

Why would the wolves do this??? Al Jeff>>>>Lee

[Blackjack]

Too tore up to check to see if this has been posted, but the Spurs are still being mentioned as a possibility, FWTFTW . . .

Free-agent buzz: Bosh thinking things over (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AihGF7LXI6uEHyH3fjAivPu8vLYF?slug=ys-freeagentbuzz070310)

The Raptors are still open-minded about the possibility of a sign-and-trade with their All-Star and have done extensive research on possible scenarios with each potential trade partner. The Dallas Mavericks, Denver Nuggets and Los Angeles Lakers are among the teams in the luxury tax who have interest in a possible sign-and-trade for Bosh. The San Antonio Spurs and Houston Rockets are other possible sign-and-trade partners.

[MannyIsGod]

I love TP and Manu but I would trade either and Blair for Bosh. I'd prefer to part with Manu, to be quite honest.

Anyway, Lebron not going to announce shit till Wed night after his camp in Akron. I think he's leaving otherwise he'd just announce now that he's staying but if he announced now that he was leaving that camp would be crazy.

[ducks]

Brad Miller: Celtics Interested

Update: Miller was one of the first contacts for the Celtics when free agency opened on Thursday, the Boston Globe reports.

Recommendation: With Kendrick Perkins(notes) (knee) expected to be sidelined for the first month or two of the 2010-11 season, Miller would provide Boston with much needed depth to their frontcourt. At 34, Miller’s production has been tapering off the past few years, but he could be worth a look in deep fantasy leagues for the first part of the season if he lands in Boston.

[Harry Callahan]

Why would the wolves do this??? Al Jeff>>>>Lee

The Wolves are not run by great basketball minds. Jefferson has a bad wheel.

I hope this deal happens. Monta Ellis and Amare in NY would be wonderful theater. Talk about a disfunctional family.

[Shastafarian]

Too tore up to check to see if this has been posted, but the Spurs are still being mentioned as a possibility, FWTFTW . . .

Free-agent buzz: Bosh thinking things over (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AihGF7LXI6uEHyH3fjAivPu8vLYF?slug=ys-freeagentbuzz070310)

Interesting that he edited to story. Interesting because he originally had SA and Houston included with the teams in the luxury tax. I tweeted a correction


AnkleBones
@SpearsNBAYahoo Neither Houston nor San Antonio are in the luxury tax as of now. Small hiccup but otherwise correct.

He corrected it without a thanks or a single peep. What a dick.

[Obstructed_View]

120 million for Joe Johnson? Ouch.

[timtonymanurich]

120 million for Joe Johnson? Ouch.

Joe should be lucky to get half that the way he fell apart in the playoffs. Did I say fall apart? I meant he was undressed and embarrassed in the playoffs!