MYSA: Jefferson's return could be imminent

[Man Mountain]

It might not be long before small forward Richard Jefferson is back on the Spurs' payroll.

Jefferson, who opted out of the final year of his contract Wednesday, has told close associates his top priority in free agency is to secure a new multi-year deal to return to the Spurs.

One unconfirmed report Thursday had Jefferson poised to sign a three-year, $30 million with the Spurs. Another had the terms at five years for $45 million, with the final season likely only partially guaranteed.


http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/jeffersons_return_could_be_imminent_97624399.html

[4>0rings]

Every 5 seconds it changes. Who cares, the world ends in 2012.

''Another had the terms at five years for $45 million, with the final season likely only partially''

:lmao :lmao :lmao

[celldweller]

My neck hurts!

[timvp]

I could live with three years and $30 million for Jefferson.

Five years and $45 million? Not so much.

I still like a S&T for a trade exception the best.

[slick'81]

lol@5 years no fucking way

[Das Texan]

I could live with three years and $30 million for Jefferson.

Five years and $45 million? Not so much.

I still like a S&T for a trade exception the best.



if dick gets 5 for 45 from the spurs then pop needs to be sent to the mental institute.

[galvatron3000]

I could live with three years and $30 million for Jefferson.

Five years and $45 million? Not so much.


$10 mil a year? Man with what he gave the Spurs last year, $9 is too high but that's all I'd pay.

[celldweller]

$24 million for three years would be perfect.

[slick'81]

i wouldnt give him more than 7.5 8+ is pushing it imo

[2pac]

S&T him to NJ.
5y/40mm which starts at 6.5mm

Jefferson for Humphries+Courtney Lee+Quinton Ross+$3mm

NJ only takes a .9mm hit on their salary cap for this year and the Spurs get Courtney Lee and three small ending contracts.

[4>0rings]

$24 million for three years would be perfect.You dont give up 15 mil in one year to work for 3 years making 24 mil.

[Creation88]

window closed with this deal.

[Seventyniner]

What if it's 5/45 and the last year is completely unguaranteed (or only $1M)? It might come out 7.6, 8.3, 9.0, 9.7, 10.4 for the 5 years.

[rayray2k8]

Wait a minute.. Since it's pretty obvious that suckspress news lurks on the site, could it be that McDonald is quoting TPORK??
:lmao

[ducks]

he said he was seeking a deal 8-10 million a year

[Ditty]

dont know about that 3 years 30 million it will be something like 9,10,11 million 3 years 24 million would be perfect with the last year being a player option

[benefactor]

"Spurs are the front runner for Maggette"

[MaNu4Tres]

The last year would be non-guaranteed in the 5 year deal proposal.

Not necessarily that bad of a deal when you process that information.

Would essentially be a 4 year/ 36 million dollar deal. With a 3-4 million retiring bonus the following year.

[celldweller]

You dont give up 15 mil in one year to work for 3 years making 24 mil.

Yea I know, but he's an idiot. You never know.

[objective]

8-10 a year?

Is it like a million a point averaged in each playoff game now? Maybe if he was a good defender it could be worth it, but give me a break.

[SpursTillTheEnd]

hell no not again

[Creation88]

actually i think McDonald IS EricB. same sources.

[objective]

Wait a minute.. Since it's pretty obvious that suckspress news lurks on the site, could it be that McDonald is quoting TPORK??
:lmao

that does make some sense

[MaNu4Tres]

"Spurs are the front runner for Maggette"

They were, that rumor was true until Chris Mullin became butt hurt after striking out on all the major free agents that year.

[TIMMYD!]

Has anyone seen any good movies lately?

I saw The Crazies earlier, pretty good.

[benefactor]

They were, that rumor was true until Chris Mullin became butt hurt after striking out on all the major free agents that year.
Maggette was never taking MLE money.

[ducks]

It might not be long before small forward Richard Jefferson is back on the Spurs' payroll.

Jefferson, who opted out of the final year of his contract Wednesday, has told close associates his top priority in free agency is to secure a new multi-year deal to return to the Spurs.

One unconfirmed report Thursday had Jefferson poised to sign a three-year, $30 million with the Spurs. Another had the terms at five years for $45 million, with the final season likely only partially guaranteed.


http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/jeffersons_return_could_be_imminent_97624399.html
if it was ludden then i would :bang

[Agloco]

You dont give up 15 mil in one year to work for 3 years making 24 mil.

:lol

Not too bright are you? His money would be guaranteed. Last I checked 24>15.

[Spurs Brazil]

It might not be long before small forward Richard Jefferson is back on the Spurs' payroll.

Jefferson, who opted out of the final year of his contract Wednesday, has told close associates his top priority in free agency is to secure a new multi-year deal to return to the Spurs.

One unconfirmed report Thursday had Jefferson poised to sign a three-year, $30 million with the Spurs. Another had the terms at five years for $45 million, with the final season likely only partially guaranteed.


http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/jeffersons_return_could_be_imminent_97624399.html

Since Ludden is out Yahoo has been killing EN. I prefer to wait a little more

[lefty]

Seriously,


If the Spurs give 5 years to RJ, regardless of the $, I may start rooting for another team




Don't blame me if I do

[DPG21920]

If RJ signs a 3 year 30M deal, he is not that bright.

He gave up 15M guaranteed. So basically he is saying he could not have got a 3 year deal in FA next year worth 5M per year? Seems kind of odd. I think he easily gets that.

A deal with the Spurs would have to be for more to make financial sense.

[Mel_13]

If RJ signs a 3 year 30M deal, he is not that bright.

He gave up 15M guaranteed. So basically he is saying he could not have got a 3 year deal in FA next year worth 5M per year? Seems kind of odd. I think he easily gets that.

A deal with the Spurs would have to be for more to make financial sense.

Math check. He would have needed a 2yr/15M to make things equal.

[4>0rings]

:lol

Not too bright are you? His money would be guaranteed. Last I checked 24>15.15 is for 1 year and 24 is for 3 years, he can't make more than 9 mil in the next 2 years?

[4>0rings]

If RJ signs a 3 year 30M deal, he is not that bright.

He gave up 15M guaranteed. So basically he is saying he could not have got a 3 year deal in FA next year worth 5M per year? Seems kind of odd. I think he easily gets that.

A deal with the Spurs would have to be for more to make financial sense.
This is what I'am saying. He didn't opt out to help the Spurs, he opted out to help his future. Now if both of those can happen, the Spurs will do it.

[DPG21920]

Math check. He would have needed a 2yr/15M to make things equal.

He wouldn't be signing a 2 year deal. He would likely be signing a 3 year + deal of guaranteed money.

His value wouldn't likely change much from this year to next imo.

So he has to say, how would I make more money:

30M this next 3 years and at the end of that what kind of new contract?

or

15M this year + what ever contract as a FA next year.

[Mel_13]

He wouldn't be signing a 2 year deal. He would likely be signing a 3 year + deal of guaranteed money.

His value wouldn't likely change much from this year to next imo.

So he has to say, how would I make more money:

30M this next 3 years and at the end of that what kind of new contract?

or

15M this year + what ever contract as a FA next year.

1/15 plus 3/15 is 4/30.

3/30 is better than 4/30

[MaNu4Tres]

He wouldn't be signing a 2 year deal. He would likely be signing a 3 year + deal of guaranteed money.

His value wouldn't likely change much from this year to next imo.

So he has to say, how would I make more money:

30M this next 3 years and at the end of that what kind of new contract?

or

15M this year + what ever contract as a FA next year.

That is why I believe the 5 year/45 million dolllar deal is the most realistic deal for both sides. Especially if the last year in the deal is partially guaranteed.

[DPG21920]

1/15 plus 3/15 is 4/30.

3/30 is better than 4/30

That is if the minimum he got was 5M per year.

I think he easily clears 30M over the next 3 years if he is paid 15M this year. So why do this?

[angelbelow]

I like 3 years 24 mil too. but i highly doubt RJ and his people are that stupid =/

[ace3g]

actually the whole Maggette situation changed when Baron Davis decided to leave Golden State

[Mel_13]

That is if the minimum he got was 5M per year.

I think he easily clears 30M over the next 3 years if he is paid 15M this year. So why do this?

He only does that if he thinks that he might not get anything near 3/30 next summer.

I have no idea what assumptions RJ and his agent are using, but they've clearly come to the conclusion that giving up 15M and getting a new deal this summer is better than collecting the 15M and getting a new deal next summer. He could be right or he could be this summer's Bonzi Wells or Latrell Spreewell. We should know the answer soon enough.

[Bruno]

One unconfirmed report Thursday had Jefferson poised to sign a three-year, $30 million with the Spurs. Another had the terms at five years for $45 million, with the final season likely only partially guaranteed.

:hang

[DPG21920]

I am just saying, regardless of what assumptions they are making, that the deal would have to be worth more than 30M to even begin to be worth the risk of opting out of 15M this year imo.

Based on that assumption, I am dreading him re-signing with the Spurs. Dreading it. This is worst case imo.

[ElNono]

5 more years of RJ? That would be hard to stomach... if he can't move laterally now, I wonder if he's going to even be able to turn around in 5 years...

[Mel_13]

I am just saying, regardless of what assumptions they are making, that the deal would have to be worth more than 30M to even begin to be worth the risk of opting out of 15M this year imo.

That's fine.

Well, we've got a slight difference of opinion over how many millions make this a good deal for RJ. Either way, he'll be able to feed his entourage.

[lurker23]

That's fine.

Well, we've got a slight difference of opinion over how many millions make this a good deal for RJ. Either way, he'll be able to feed his entourage.

But will he be able to feed his family?

http://www.hoopsmanifesto.com/images/stories/latrell-sprewell.jpg

[Obstructed_View]

I don't give a fuck how much they pay him as long as he figures out his role and starts showing up every night for a change.

[Creation88]

I don't give a fuck how much they pay him as long as he figures out his role and starts showing up every night for a change.

not likely.

[Dex]

We need a vBookie on the Jefferson situation. :lol

[mattyc]

3 year, $30 million isn't too bad. In the context of whats around and what we could reasonably expect to attract, I think we will go with that.

[spurs10]

Has anyone seen any good movies lately?
The Messenger:toast

[ploto]

Seems like maybe RJ is using the local media to drive his price up.

I have no interest in RJ for 3 years and $30M and do not understand why the Spurs would either.

[EricB]

Toy Story 3 was good.

The Killers was good too.

A-Team was fun.

[Kori Ellis]

I don't think I've gone to the movies in five years.

[Spursfan092120]

Going to see The Grown Ups tomorrow..pretty psyched about it.

[Solid D]

Every 5 seconds it changes. Who cares, the world ends in 2012.

''Another had the terms at five years for $45 million, with the final season likely only partially''

:lmao :lmao :lmao

:lol

[rmt]

He'd probably like/take:
30 for 3 years
36 for 4 years
40 for 5 years

I'd like a trade exception to get someone else who fits better (like Mike Miller). If not, I'd like 24 for 3 years - that's the most he's worth in this system. But he he'll probably get more as he does have leverage (Spurs are toast if he leaves).

In comparison, the Lakers got Artest for the MLE and Odom got 33/4 with team option in the 4th just last year. The Gasol gift has unbalanced all parity in the NBA.

[Spursofthemoment]

I'm sorry, I had plenty of faith in RJ before last season but now I do not think he should get an extended contract here. He hasn't proven he's worth it. Everyone else who knows they want to negotiate their contract goes out of their way to play better (if only for a short period of time). Why would they think he should be here for 3 years for any real amount of money?! It doesn't make sense and quite frankly it isn't fair.

[Solid D]

I don't think I've gone to the movies in five years.

You should go!

Toy Story 3 got an ovation at the end at the (full theater) Paladium last Saturday.

[ace3g]

saw the A-Team good movie, going to see Predators next week

[Vic Petro]

Noted.

Anyone see the Jackie Chan Karate Kid movie? I never saw any of the first ones so would it be worth seeing this one? What about Toy Story 3? I've heard that it is really good despite myself being an adult I am always down for good kiddie movies. Up made me cry.


Going to see The Grown Ups tomorrow..pretty psyched about it.

On Grown Ups, you'll be sorely disappointed. That movie really sucked.

And Phila, you've never seen the original Karate Kid?? :wow

[manufan10]

I'm going to go see The Last Air Bender tonight..

Saw The A-Team a few weeks back, it was pretty good.

I want to go see Toy Story 3, maybe tomorrow. :D

[SpursTillTheEnd]

unthinkable with samuel l jackson is the best movie ive seen in a while ill tell yall what happen's, sam is a detective and he tortures a terror suspect and kills his wife in front of him, and the detective lady saves the terrorist and he explodes a nuclear bomb and everybody dies, great movie though yall should see it

[AFBlue]

So his return COULD BE imminent...and I COULD BE the coolest man alive.

[slick'81]

toy story 3 was the shit no doubt

[rayray2k8]

Guess this is the right place to put this.


WojYahooNBA

Spurs and Richard Jefferson's agent have discussed a new deal, but nothing in works. RJ would love return to NY-area, but NJ not interested.

[vednam]

Why do you guys care so much about what he gets paid? It's not coming out of your pocket.


The real question should be: do you want him back or not?

I can't believe how many idiots there are on here who think the spurs would be better off with some minimum-salary player. The Spurs would be playing 4 on 5. But hey, at least you could then say "he's not overpaid like Jefferson was."

[Mel_13]

Why do you guys care so much about what he gets paid?

The Spurs actually operate on budget. Fewer dollars paid to RJ, more dollars available to acquire other talent.

[Agloco]

15 is for 1 year and 24 is for 3 years, he can't make more than 9 mil in the next 2 years?

Why don't you get your crystal ball out and tell us?

[vednam]

The Spurs actually operate on budget. Fewer dollars paid to RJ, more dollars available to acquire other talent.



All they have to acquire new players is the MLE and LLE. Jefferson's signing doesn't will have no bearing on who they acquire in the immediate future.

I say let the Spurs worry about how much Holt is willing to pay.

Jefferson should be judged by what he gives the Spurs compared to other realistic options, not by how good or bad a dollar-for-dollar value he is.

[MannyIsGod]

Anyone else find the story title really stupid? Should the words "could be" and "imminent" ever be used together?

[Mel_13]

All they have to acquire new players is the MLE and LLE. Jefferson's signing doesn't will have no bearing on who they acquire in the immediate future.

Having the MLE and LLE available and actually using them are not the same thing.

[vednam]

Having the MLE and LLE available and actually using them are not the same thing.



Do you really think that by signing Jefferson the Spurs will decide to no longer pursue Splitter (who they will use most/all of the MLE on)? I don't.

That leaves the LLE. Would you rather the Spurs retain Jefferson at whatever cost and not use the LLE, or would you rather Jefferson walks and the Spurs try to find a starting SF at the LLE?

[Mel_13]

Do you really think that by signing Jefferson the Spurs will decide to no longer pursue Splitter (who they will use most/all of the MLE on)? I don't.


Nor do I. There are the next 2, 3, or 4 years to consider.

[vednam]

Nor do I. There are the next 2, 3, or 4 years to consider.

I say worry about that later. Timmy and Manu are only getting older.

[ChuckD]

You dont give up 15 mil in one year to work for 3 years making 24 mil.

You do if you're stupid and misread the FA market badly.

[Mel_13]

I say worry about that later.

Ok, you worry about it later.

We're bored and our team has no cap space, our MLE is spoken for, and you can only have so much conversation about candidates for the LLE. We're gonna keep talking about it.

:toast

[vednam]

Ok, you worry about it later.

We're bored and our team has no cap space, our MLE is spoken for, and you can only have so much conversation about candidates for the LLE. We're gonna keep talking about it.

:toast



Haha. Alright then. I appreciate the candor.

[tmtcsc]

This fella stole Toy Story 3:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/06/20/arts/monkey/monkey-articleInline.jpg

[DPG21920]

I have been saying rj to nj made very little sense on the surface. Now I just want to know why the spurs could possibly want rj long term when that does not make sense on the surface. Wasn't rj's expiring contract a factor in trading for him, even before we found out he was a terrible fit? Now, with the benefit of knowing he does not fit AND knowing he does not want to be here, the spurs want a LTD for him? Ok.

[Pauleta14]

It doesn"t "really" matters how much they give him, as long as they do a S&T...

[Mel_13]

I have been saying rj to nj made very little sense on the surface. Now I just want to know why the spurs could possibly want rj long term when that does not make sense on the surface. Wasn't rj's expiring contract a factor in trading for him, even before we found out he was a terrible fit? Now, with the benefit of knowing he does not fit AND knowing he does not want to be here, the spurs want a LTD for him? Ok.

Two basic scenarios:

1. The Spurs had an arrangement for RJ to opt out in return for a newer, longer deal that starts at a number much lower than 15M. In that case, the Spurs have to honor their end of the deal.

2. RJ opted out on his own, with no deal in place with Spurs. In that case, the Spurs should be very patient and see if a market develops for RJ. No need to put any offer on the table right now except one that is very favorable to the team.

[DPG21920]

Two basic scenarios:

1. The Spurs had an arrangement for RJ to opt out in return for a newer, longer deal that starts at a number much lower than 15M. In that case, the Spurs have to honor their end of the deal.

2. RJ opted out on his own, with no deal in place with Spurs. In that case, the Spurs should be very patient and see if a market develops for RJ. No need to put any offer on the table right now except one that is very favorable to the team.

I understand the scenarios, my point is option one does not pass the logic test bc of what I outlined.

Option two passes the first test, but then go back to my point; why would sa, who partially valued the timing of his original contract expiring and know he does not fit, want him back at all? Especially knowing he does not want to be here (by all accounts).

They are willing to somewhat mortgage their future to save money now?

[Mel_13]

I understand the scenarios, my point is option one does not pass the logic test bc of what I outlined.

Option two passes the first test, but then go back to my point; why would sa, who partially valued the timing of his original contract expiring and know he does not fit, want him back at all? Especially knowing he does not want to be here (by all accounts).

They are willing to somewhat mortgage their future to save money now?

With each hour that passes without a legit report of a new deal, it seems less and less likely that there was a gentleman's agreement between the Spurs and RJ.

So, RJ probably opted out on his own.

Given that, my question to you is:

Is there a price at which you see an RJ return as good for the Spurs, or would you just prefer to see him walk?

[DPG21920]

With each hour that passes without a legit report of a new deal, it seems less and less likely that there was a gentleman's agreement between the Spurs and RJ.

So, RJ probably opted out on his own.

Given that, my question to you is:

Is there a price at which you see an RJ return as good for the Spurs, or would you just prefer to see him walk?

The only way I want RJ back is on a 1 or 2 year deal. That's not happening.

[Mel_13]

The only way I want RJ back is on a 1 or 2 year deal. That's not happening.

Fair enough. That's a reasonable point of view, IMO.

[DPG21920]

What are your thoughts on the logic of this, Mel? Am I way off base in thinking rj for 3-4 more years makes little sense for the spurs?

[Ginnoobbllee]

My guess is, there must have been some deal in place for Jefferson to opt out.

Something along the lines of:

We can either pay the league the money for the luxury tax, or we can pay you the luxury tax money, if you agree to a longer term deal with less money up front. We can both benefit from this. What do you say?

How much over the luxury tax limit were the Spurs with Jefferson's $15 million salary? Not a fan of Jefferson, but they were stuck with the $15mill + luxury tax bill anyway. Might as well get something for the $$.
:flag:

[Mel_13]

What are your thoughts on the logic of this, Mel? Am I way off base in thinking rj for 3-4 more years makes little sense for the spurs?

No, I see your point.

Let me put it this way. I'm certain that the Spurs are a better team in 2010-11 with Tony than they would be with anything they could get back in a trade. To me the margin between keeping Tony and trading Tony is quite large, perhaps the difference between a borderline contender and a borderline lottery team.

I'm pretty sure that the Spurs are better with RJ than with whatever is available for the LLE (or Hairston/Gee/Anderson). The margin, IMO, is much smaller than in the Tony comparison. So, I wouldn't shed a tear if RJ walked and wouldn't call someone with your POV unreasonable.

[DPG21920]

I understand that logic as well and that makes some financial sense. But at that point then it is a sunk cost and why mortgage your future just to get a little more of something don't want? I cannot believe that the spurs and rj had a deal in place.

With how FA is going, it is clear to me that RJ & his agent saw the FA climate and thought they could cash in. It looks like they will probably be correct.

[DPG21920]

No, I see your point.

Let me put it this way. I'm certain that the Spurs are a better team in 2010-11 with Tony than they would be with anything they could get back in a trade. To me the margin between keeping Tony and trading Tony is quite large, perhaps the difference between a borderline contender and a borderline lottery team.

I'm pretty sure that the Spurs are better with RJ than with whatever is available for the LLE (or Hairston/Gee/Anderson). The margin, IMO, is much smaller than in the Tony comparison. So, I wouldn't shed a tear if RJ walked and wouldn't call someone with your POV unreasonable.

That is something I have touched on in the "talent argument". Spurs could not survive a TP or Manu departure in talent from a contender stand point. However, they likely aren't contenders anyways if they get Tiago and keep RJ, so why at all mortgage your future by inking RJ long-term?

Especially when there is a possibility to replace his impact with some of the younger guys and by using the LLE? Spurs can survive RJ walking for nothing IMO, even if it means taking a little hit.

[Blackjack]

Jefferson's return could be imminent (if he's not a total retard and decides to pass up on the opportunity to get extremely well compensated as teams strike out in free-agency and feel the pressure to come away with something to appease fans -- to some degree -- for their tanking).

[Mel_13]

RJ banking on there being one GM or owner dumb enough to give him a deal better than the MLE. I keep thinking of Bonzi Wells turning down that 38M deal and then making less than 5M total for the rest of his NBA career.

[lurker23]

RJ banking on there being one GM or owner dumb enough to give him a deal better than the MLE. I keep thinking of Bonzi Wells turning down that 38M deal and then making less than 5M total for the rest of his NBA career.

When RJ opted out, I also felt that the Bonzi Wells scenario was a possibility. The more and more I watch this free agency period unfold, the more I think that won't happen.

At this point, my prediction is that someone will give RJ 4 years, $40 million. If/when that happens, there are two things I hope:

1. That it won't be the Spurs signing his paychecks.

2. That somehow the Spurs find a way to turn this into a sign and trade, so they have some way to fill the SF void.

[Seventyniner]

When RJ opted out, I also felt that the Bonzi Wells scenario was a possibility. The more and more I watch this free agency period unfold, the more I think that won't happen.

At this point, my prediction is that someone will give RJ 4 years, $40 million. If/when that happens, there are two things I hope:

1. That it won't be the Spurs signing his paychecks.

2. That somehow the Spurs find a way to turn this into a sign and trade, so they have some way to fill the SF void.

I agree with #2, a sign-and-trade seems the best option at this point, unless RJ really strikes out and will accept 3 years/$20M or so. With the crazy contracts given out so far (gee, there's a pattern here...), your prediction will likely come true. A big, fat TE, as timvp puts it, would be gold.

[Whisky Dog]

What am I missing here? What does this guy do to deserve 10 mil a year, or even 2 mil? He doesn't rebound, doesn't play defense worth a shit, can't shoot and is afraid to shoot the 3, and plays extremely passive. How is that going to get anything done? Wouldn't a guy who either defends or shoots really well at a much cheaper price be a better option because you're at least getting something? Once Bowen left and TD slowed down the only guy who really brings fire and physicality is Manu, we need that tough nosed attitude, not a questionably gay, unquestionably soft choker making 10 mil a year

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I understand the scenarios, my point is option one does not pass the logic test bc of what I outlined.

Option two passes the first test, but then go back to my point; why would sa, who partially valued the timing of his original contract expiring and know he does not fit, want him back at all? Especially knowing he does not want to be here (by all accounts).

They are willing to somewhat mortgage their future to save money now?

You act like they are making this decision in a vacuum. They don't have the money to go get a starting caliber small forward.

If they are serious about trying to win another ring before Tim hangs 'em up, they are smart enough to realize that Hairston/Gee/Anderson at the small forward spot isn't going to get it done.

The likely reality is that Splitter is going to get much if not all of the MLE. That leaves them with in essence the LLE to find a replacement SF if they were to let Jefferson go.

You aren't going to find a starting caliber SF for a championship team with the LLE.

[timvp]

Many of this year's actions are being driven by 2011, of course. Decisions ranging from Amare Stoudemire's long-expected opt out to Richard Jefferson's surprising leap into the free-agent pool were made with the idea that it will be better to lock up a long-term deal under the current collective bargaining agreement than take your chances with the one coming next year, which could feature shorter lengths, smaller raises and perhaps a harder cap. The Spurs were as stunned as anyone that Jefferson walked away from the $15 million remaining on the last year of his contract on the heels of his disappointing first season in San Antonio. He figures he can make it up, and the Spurs figure he must have some team in mind that's prepared to give it to him, even if he'll make less money immediately. ("He traded a steak for 10 Big Macs" is the way it was described to me.)

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=adande_ja&page=FreeAgency-100702


If Adande is right and the Spurs were surprised by RJ's decision, this could get very interesting.

[Mel_13]

At this point, my prediction is that someone will give RJ 4 years, $40 million.

See, that makes sense when you compare RJ to some of the players that have already received crazy contracts.

For one player, though, its all about finding one team that wants him, not negotiating comparables. For a contract that size, RJ needs a team with sufficient cap space to sign him.

I've done this elsewhere, but look at the teams that still have enough cap space:

Miami(Wade, Bosh, RJ?)
Chicago (Deng)
NY (Gallinari)
NJ (40M for RJ on a team that isn't ready to contend soon?)
Sacramento (doesn't fit with moves of the past two seasons)
Washington (dump Butler to sign RJ?)
Clippers (drafted Aminu)

I don't see a team that shells out big bucks for RJ. Which team do you see opening their checkbook for him?

[Mel_13]

If Adande is right and the Spurs were surprised by RJ's decision, this could get very interesting.

It makes sense. If a deal was in place, we should have heard about by now. No need for either side to keep it quiet.

[DPG21920]

You act like they are making this decision in a vacuum. They don't have the money to go get a starting caliber small forward.

If they are serious about trying to win another ring before Tim hangs 'em up, they are smart enough to realize that Hairston/Gee/Anderson at the small forward spot isn't going to get it done.

The likely reality is that Splitter is going to get much if not all of the MLE. That leaves them with in essence the LLE to find a replacement SF if they were to let Jefferson go.

You aren't going to find a starting caliber SF for a championship team with the LLE.

I understand that. Spurs with or without RJ don't change that much on court IMO.

[lurker23]

What am I missing here? What does this guy do to deserve 10 mil a year, or even 2 mil? He doesn't rebound, doesn't play defense worth a shit, can't shoot and is afraid to shoot the 3, and plays extremely passive. How is that going to get anything done? Wouldn't a guy who either defends or shoots really well at a much cheaper price be a better option because you're at least getting something? Once Bowen left and TD slowed down the only guy who really brings fire and physicality is Manu, we need that tough nosed attitude, not a questionably gay, unquestionably soft choker making 10 mil a year

I agree, in that I think $10 million per year is overpaying for RJ within the Spurs system. As talented/athletic as he is in some offensive areas, he's deficient in many of the areas that Spurs teams have come to expect in their small forwards (that is, to speak honestly, Bruce Bowen).

As far as other teams go, he could thrive in a system that runs more, places less stress on defense, and where he can mostly be a 1st or 2nd option on offense with the ball in his hands more. I'm not saying that would necessarily make him worth $10 million/year, but for teams like that, the GM and fan base will be primarily looking at one number: career scoring average of 17 ppg.

[peacemaker885]

I think its NY or Miami for RJ.

[timvp]

See, that makes sense when you compare RJ to some of the players that have already received crazy contracts.

For one player, though, its all about finding one team that wants him, not negotiating comparables. For a contract that size, RJ needs a team with sufficient cap space to sign him.

I've done this elsewhere, but look at the teams that still have enough cap space:

Miami(Wade, Bosh, RJ?)
Chicago (Deng)
NY (Gallinari)
NJ (40M for RJ on a team that isn't ready to contend soon?)
Sacramento (doesn't fit with moves of the past two seasons)
Washington (dump Butler to sign RJ?)
Clippers (drafted Aminu)

I don't see a team that shells out big bucks for RJ. Which team do you see opening their checkbook for him?

I could see NJ wanting him. AJ as coach is a win now hire ... he's not a rebuilding type coach. I think they want to sign a premiere PF and then get a SF to round out their starting lineup. Could RJ be that SF? Maybe.

I don't really buy NY. They need stars or at least players with star potential. RJ doesn't qualify.

The darkhorse is the Clips. They have Davis, Gordon, Griffin and Kaman as their best players. Add it up and they are a small forward away from an impressive starting lineup. If all the top tier FAs are off the board, RJ suddenly is one of the most enticing SF options.

While I'd say the chances of RJ landing a big deal outside of San Antonio are less than 50%, I don't think it's horribly far-fetched.

[MannyIsGod]

It'll be great if he gets over paid and we get that as a TE. Cross your fingers.

[Mel_13]

While I'd say the chances of RJ landing a big deal outside of San Antonio are less than 50%, I don't think it's horribly far-fetched.

Well, I hope he gets a deal from one of those teams and we can get the TE, but it looks like his possibilities are narrowing.

[lurker23]

See, that makes sense when you compare RJ to some of the players that have already received crazy contracts.

For one player, though, its all about finding one team that wants him, not negotiating comparables. For a contract that size, RJ needs a team with sufficient cap space to sign him.

I've done this elsewhere, but look at the teams that still have enough cap space:

Miami(Wade, Bosh, RJ?)
Chicago (Deng)
NY (Gallinari)
NJ (40M for RJ on a team that isn't ready to contend soon?)
Sacramento (doesn't fit with moves of the past two seasons)
Washington (dump Butler to sign RJ?)
Clippers (drafted Aminu)

I don't see a team that shells out big bucks for RJ. Which team do you see opening their checkbook for him?

The problem is, Mel, most GMs in the NBA aren't as smart as you. They routinely draft or sign players that are redundant, either skill- or position-wise, with players they already have. Whether it be arrogance ("we can make this work!"), desperation ("well, we have to sign SOMEBODY"), best-player-available theory, or just plain ignorance, for some reason or another this seems to be a common practice in the NBA.

[Mel_13]

They routinely draft or sign players that are redundant, either skill- or position-wise, with players they already have. Whether it be arrogance ("we can make this work!"), desperation ("well, we have to sign SOMEBODY"), best-player-available theory, or just plain ignorance, for some reason or another this seems to be a common practice in the NBA.

Which goes back to my initial point. RJ is banking on there being just one GM or owner out there dumb enough to overpay him. If he can't get an offer from one of the teams with cap space, then he's left looking around the league for MLE offers.

Should be interesting.

[jiggy_55]

Which goes back to my initial point. RJ is banking on there being just one GM or owner out there dumb enough to overpay him. If he can't get an offer from one of the teams with cap space, then he's left looking around the league for MLE offers.

Should be interesting.

Forget the IF, there are MANY teams who will offer him money which gives us many problems. Look at this damn market, everyone's getting big money!
I just hope he goes in a sign and trade, cuz as i've said earlier: the more time that passes the more it shows that this was a shock to SA and not a orchestrated move from both sides.

[lurker23]

Which goes back to my initial point. RJ is banking on there being just one GM or owner out there dumb enough to overpay him. If he can't get an offer from one of the teams with cap space, then he's left looking around the league for MLE offers.

Should be interesting.

If somehow the market bears out that RJ is looking for the MLE, I'd put the chances at 75% that the Spurs lock him up for 3-4 years, $6-7 million per year.

[Mel_13]

If somehow the market bears out that RJ is looking for the MLE, I'd put the chances at 75% that the Spurs lock him up for 3-4 years, $6-7 million per year.

I agree.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

See, that makes sense when you compare RJ to some of the players that have already received crazy contracts.

For one player, though, its all about finding one team that wants him, not negotiating comparables. For a contract that size, RJ needs a team with sufficient cap space to sign him.

I've done this elsewhere, but look at the teams that still have enough cap space:

Miami(Wade, Bosh, RJ?)
Chicago (Deng)
NY (Gallinari)
NJ (40M for RJ on a team that isn't ready to contend soon?)
Sacramento (doesn't fit with moves of the past two seasons)
Washington (dump Butler to sign RJ?)
Clippers (drafted Aminu)

I don't see a team that shells out big bucks for RJ. Which team do you see opening their checkbook for him?

Hopefully one that is willing to do a sign and trade :D

[Mel_13]

Forget the IF, there are MANY teams who will offer him money which gives us many problems. Look at this damn market, everyone's getting big money!
I just hope he goes in a sign and trade, cuz as i've said earlier: the more time that passes the more it shows that this was a shock to SA and not a orchestrated move from both sides.

Take a closer look at all the contracts announced so far. Nearly all of them are players signing back with their own teams. The biggest contracts for players changing teams:

Gooden 5/32
Warrick 4/18

[lefty]

No RJ for 4-5 years


Please

[AFBlue]

I could see NJ wanting him. AJ as coach is a win now hire ... he's not a rebuilding type coach. I think they want to sign a premiere PF and then get a SF to round out their starting lineup. Could RJ be that SF? Maybe.

I don't really buy NY. They need stars or at least players with star potential. RJ doesn't qualify.

The darkhorse is the Clips. They have Davis, Gordon, Griffin and Kaman as their best players. Add it up and they are a small forward away from an impressive starting lineup. If all the top tier FAs are off the board, RJ suddenly is one of the most enticing SF options.

While I'd say the chances of RJ landing a big deal outside of San Antonio are less than 50%, I don't think it's horribly far-fetched.

To me, the Clippers are a VERY strong possibility. Because they have the cap space, they've been mentioned with all the big-name FAs, but I don't think anyone is considering them serious contenders for the top 5 FAs. As you mentioned, they also have a gaping hole at SF.

I would be happy if the Spurs could sign-and-trade Jefferson to the Clippers for either Outlaw or to a lesser extent Butler.

[Mel_13]

To me, the Clippers are a VERY strong possibility. Because they have the cap space, they've been mentioned with all the big-name FAs, but I don't think anyone is considering them serious contenders for the top 5 FAs. As you mentioned, they also have a gaping hole at SF.

I would be happy if the Spurs could sign-and-trade Jefferson to the Clippers for either Outlaw or to a lesser extent Butler.

I'll have to stop before it looks like I'm obsessed, but here goes.

Clips have cap space.

They have a hole at SF.

They drafted a SF with the 8th pick.

They still want a veteran SF on the squad and are willing to overpay somewhat to get one.

OK.

Why not just keep Outlaw? Look at it as a Spurs fan. If you could have Outlaw or RJ for the exact same terms, which would you choose? Because that's the choice the Clips will be making.

[Vic Petro]

I'll have to stop before it looks like I'm obsessed, but here goes.

Clips have cap space.

They have a hole at SF.

They drafted a SF with the 8th pick.

They still want a veteran SF on the squad and are willing to overpay somewhat to get one.

OK.

Why not just keep Outlaw? Look at it as a Spurs fan. If you could have Outlaw or RJ for the exact same terms, which would you choose? Because that's the choice the Clips will be making.

Since when do the Clippers make sound decisions?

[AFBlue]

I'll have to stop before it looks like I'm obsessed, but here goes.

Clips have cap space.

They have a hole at SF.

They drafted a SF with the 8th pick.

They still want a veteran SF on the squad and are willing to overpay somewhat to get one.

OK.

Why not just keep Outlaw? Look at it as a Spurs fan. If you could have Outlaw or RJ for the exact same terms, which would you choose? Because that's the choice the Clips will be making.

See your point. Though I didn't say it, I was thinking the Spurs would have to throw in a pick and/or cash to make it worthwhile for the Clips to do the deal.

This is only a suggestion IF the Clippers end up targeting Jefferson over other FAs (including their own). And I do think there's some logic for them doing so. Jefferson is probably widely viewed as a tier B free agent that suffered a down year in a badly suited system. I don't think it would be out of the realm of possibility for teams to view him as a decent consolation prize to losing out on a tier A free agent.

[DPG21920]

It makes sense. If a deal was in place, we should have heard about by now. No need for either side to keep it quiet.

I agree. I just don't see SA promising RJ anything. NJ looks like a bad fit, but someone is going to pay RJ IMO.

[Stringer_Bell]

RJ for 3 years and 26m, with trade clauses and no team-option sounds fair. He will get his money and job/location security and we can move on. Less pressure for everyone.

[AFBlue]

RJ for 3 years and 26m, with trade clauses and no team-option sounds fair. He will get his money and job/location security and we can move on. Less pressure for everyone.

Biggest contract on the team outside of the big 3 for a player that underachieved last year (respective to talent, not contract), is not a great fit for the system and is likely to suffer from declining athleticism (his major strength) as the contract progresses.

That sounds like a fair deal for the Spurs?

I just don't see it.

[Blackjack]

I'd just like to reiterate:

Screw You, Richard Jefferson!

Subject us to that weak sauce for a year and now you'll inevitably subject us to a week of talk about your weak-sauce ass, as you wait for the big fish to land an hope to find some good sized table scraps left for the taking.

Again:

Screw you, Richard Jefferson!



http://www.highenergybuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/Eas%20Myoplex.jpg

Now I'm Done . . .

[ploto]

I can not help but wonder if Jefferson was so pissed about this year that he will gladly walk away without a S&T and leave the Spurs with nothing. He spent time working with Pop, as if to show his interest in improving for the Spurs, but instead used it for himself and did not even warn the team in advance that he was thinking about opting out.

[baseline bum]

3 years, $30 million is Darko level bad. 5 years, $45 million is Amir Johnson-esque. :vomit:

[Mel_13]

I can not help but wonder if Jefferson was so pissed about this year that he will gladly walk away without a S&T and leave the Spurs with nothing. He spent time working with Pop, as if to show his interest in improving for the Spurs, but instead used it for himself and did not even warn the team in advance that he was thinking about opting out.

Cutting off his nose to spite his face.

[DPG21920]

I can not help but wonder if Jefferson was so pissed about this year that he will gladly walk away without a S&T and leave the Spurs with nothing. He spent time working with Pop, as if to show his interest in improving for the Spurs, but instead used it for himself and did not even warn the team in advance that he was thinking about opting out.

One can only hope. Because the alternative, a LTD for RJ is even worse.

[jag]

One can only hope. Because the alternative, a LTD for RJ is even worse.

I get that you don't like RJ. I get that you want the young guys to get some burn...but you're acting like a long term deal is going to ruin the Spurs chances to win a title in 3 years. Once duncan is done, why will this matter?

If the Spurs decide to rebuild, RJ will be the first one shipped out. A LTD for RJ doesn't mean a whole lot. It's this season or nothing. If the Spurs can get rid of Malik Rose and his ridiculous contract, they can most certainly get rid of RJ for picks, a bag of chips, or whatever anyone needing a SF feels like giving up.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Ltd?

[Mel_13]

Ltd?

long term deal

[objective]

you're acting like a long term deal is going to ruin the Spurs chances to win a title in 3 years. Once duncan is done, why will this matter?

A deal beyond this next year for an underachieving Jefferson at 8-10 is a big deal for a small-market team like the Spurs. It could mean losing Parker.


If the Spurs can get rid of Malik Rose and his ridiculous contract, they can most certainly get rid of RJ for picks, a bag of chips, or whatever anyone needing a SF feels like giving up.


I don't know if that's a good comparison. In order to get rid of Rose they had to give up 2 firsts. How can that be good for a team trying to rebuild? What kind of demand will there be for RJ in his 30s making 9+ million a year when he's a back-up quality player (he already spent time as a back-up this year).

[MaNu4Tres]

A deal beyond this next year for an underachieving Jefferson at 8-10 is a big deal for a small-market team like the Spurs. It could mean losing Parker.

By the way its looking, the Spurs will be willing to get away with giving Jefferson 7-8 million per year in a back-loaded deal (not 8-10). Meaning Jefferson's first two years would be around 6-7 million, making resigning Parker more than plausible on a similar, typical back-loaded type of contract.

Spurs probably know this already, which is why you see no agreement yet on Jefferson's end. But when the dust clears and if Mel's scenario plays out (which is very reasonable), Jefferson will be stuck with the MLE or resigning with the Spurs for 7-8 million a year.

[DPG21920]

I get that you don't like RJ. I get that you want the young guys to get some burn...but you're acting like a long term deal is going to ruin the Spurs chances to win a title in 3 years. Once duncan is done, why will this matter?

If the Spurs decide to rebuild, RJ will be the first one shipped out. A LTD for RJ doesn't mean a whole lot. It's this season or nothing. If the Spurs can get rid of Malik Rose and his ridiculous contract, they can most certainly get rid of RJ for picks, a bag of chips, or whatever anyone needing a SF feels like giving up.

I like RJ just fine, just not for the spurs. We just disagree that a 3+ year deal does no harm. I think it does. It harms them in the future and the spurs can survive no RJ if Tiago comes from a contention standpoint. That's why I hate it.

Even if it is about this year, no RJ does not do anything to dash those hopes. Could it hurt a little? Sure. But enough to where it is worth it to harm the future? Not IMO.

[DPG21920]

Hopefully this works itself out and the Spurs work a S&T

[callo1]

RJ had some really nice games last year. We all know that usually by the second season new Spurs start to flourish. Same thing was true with Brent when he came aboard.

Lest see...did Brent ever hit any big shots in the '05 playoffs against the Suns on the road?

The problem with this team, is it has lost some identity, because Timmy is slowing down...no suprise there, it happens to all of the great ones. The writing was on the wall during the '07 Finals when TP won MVP.

Timmy can still get it done, but not night after night like he used to. Hopefully Splitter can come in and save Timmy's legs a bit.

Hopefully Anderson can space the floor.

If Splitter comes, it will be the first time since Rasho was here that getting to the rim will be more difficult for opposing guards.

This team is going through an identity change, and how quickly they make that transition will determine their success next season.

[Mel_13]

We all know that usually by the second season new Spurs start to flourish. Same thing was true with Brent when he came aboard.

Lest see...did Brent ever hit any big shots in the '05 playoffs against the Suns on the road?

How quickly they forget. Game 1, 2005 WCF in Phoenix:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200505220PHO.html

[angelbelow]

well like i said before.. if maggette can get traded with that shitty contract, anyone can. even if we sign RJ to a LTD i dont doubt we can turn it into something valuable - that is if RJ continues to be a waste.

[CaptainLate]

...why would sa, who partially valued the timing of his original contract expiring and know he does not fit, want him back at all? Especially knowing he does not want to be here (by all accounts).


Unlike what the article claims, I've never seen a "quote" from RJ saying he did not want to be here or that he didn't fit. :nope

Has anyone seen an actual RJ quote to that affect?

[EricB]

Barry also had the infamous 20 minute 00000000000000 across the board against the Sonics which in retrospect was bad, but impressive.

Again, Barry had one good game in those playoffs.


But, the argument is completely off base.

[EricB]

Parker is already gone, either this year or next. SA will not pay him, he does not make others better around him and he has become less valued by pops now that we cant run our offense through TD all the time.



Wow so many things wrong with this....

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

One can only hope. Because the alternative, a LTD for RJ is even worse.

So, who are you looking forward to seeing as our starting SF next year when RJ walks away?

[AFBlue]

So, who are you looking forward to seeing as our starting SF next year when RJ walks away?

I'd take a role player who can hit outside shots and defend. RJ was brought in to be the 4th scorer, but George Hill has stepped into that role nicely. A guy like Rasual Butler may seem like a step back, but I'd honestly prefer him to RJ two or three years from now.

[barbacoataco]

Jefferson was obviously a bad fit for the Spurs and I don't see why so many people on this dicussion want him back.
1. His defense will never be good enough, playing the SF position, to give the Spurs what they need to compete for a championship.
2. His 3-pt shot totally vanished last year and he wasn't even a factor from deep. The Spurs need a 3-pt shooter from that position.
3. He is inconsistent and can't be counted on to bring it every night.
4. His offensive game is not a fit for the type of game the Spurs play. Plain and simple.

Why do all you people who hated on him all year want to sign him to a 30 mil/3 yr deal? That is crazy. Jefferson blows and he is only getting worse every year at his age.

[wildbill2u]

Does anyone know if its legal to put incentive clauses in NBA contracts like they do in the NFL?

[Mel_13]

Does anyone know if its legal to put incentive clauses in NBA contracts like they do in the NFL?

Yes.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q63

[Veterinarian]

So, who are you looking forward to seeing as our starting SF next year when RJ walks away?

Most of Jefferson's advanced stats were below the league last year. You guys should all know this already.

[Mel_13]

One high-ranking Knicks official said Thursday that Jefferson was never in the team's plans, even if it whiffed on James. Aside from the Spurs, the Los Angeles Clippers could be Jefferson's best bet, but they are reportedly chasing Mike Miller instead. Cleveland — the ultimate loser in the LeBron derby — will have $9 million in available cap space once James is officially off the books. Teams view Jefferson as a complimentary player who probably won't command much more than the mid-level exception of $5.765 million. The Spurs are expected to offer a multi-year contract starting at a shade above that, at a number that reduces their luxury tax hit.

http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

[benefactor]

C'mon Cleveland. Do the right thing.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

RJ for a deal of around 6-7 mil per year wouldn't be bad at all. Obviously the shorter the deal the better but either way, it's much better for the Spurs than him at 15 mil or him leaving for nothing. Of course, a big TE would be awesome, but it seems less likely than him resigning.

[smrattler]

C'mon Cleveland. Do the right thing.

... and sign RJ. His roots, 6 generations back on his dad's side, are from Ohio damn it! Not the chosen one, no, but the available one!

[Danny.Zhu]

So, we can't do any S&T to get either Boozer or Lee?

[ffadicted]

So, we can't do any S&T to get either Boozer or Lee?

Do you actually follow the NBA? lol

[picnroll]

The league is awash in money after the LeBronathon and the guy the Spurs were psyched to get last year no team even wants (except the Spurs).

[coyotes_geek]

So, we can't do any S&T to get either Boozer or Lee?

:lol Uh, no.

Pretty sure that the Bulls and Warriors didn't cough up $80 million dollar contracts to Boozer and Lee just to entice the Spurs to give them a call about Richard Jefferson.

[Danny.Zhu]

Do you actually follow the NBA? lol

Just thought RJ+Blair+Picks could be a better offer than a 13m TE or Anthony Randolph + Ronny Turiaf + Kelenna Azubuike......

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Just thought RJ+Blair+Picks could be a better offer than a 13m TE or Anthony Randolph + Ronny Turiaf + Kelenna Azubuike......

It's not a better offer by any means.

[AFBlue]

One high-ranking Knicks official said Thursday that Jefferson was never in the team's plans, even if it whiffed on James. Aside from the Spurs, the Los Angeles Clippers could be Jefferson's best bet, but they are reportedly chasing Mike Miller instead. Cleveland — the ultimate loser in the LeBron derby — will have $9 million in available cap space once James is officially off the books. Teams view Jefferson as a complimentary player who probably won't command much more than the mid-level exception of $5.765 million. The Spurs are expected to offer a multi-year contract starting at a shade above that, at a number that reduces their luxury tax hit.

http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

The source is a McDonald article, but it doesn't necessarily make it illogical or wildly speculative.

I think a $6-7M/yr deal is acceptable for RJ, but I'm hoping they also use the lack of a market to negotiate down the years for the deal. A 3yr deal that averaged $7-8M per year might be a bit more palatable than a $6-7M per year deal for 4 or 5. I just don't know if a higher starting salary would put the Spurs in a luxury tax situation.

[DPG21920]

Fml

[coyotes_geek]

The source is a McDonald article, but it doesn't necessarily make it illogical or wildly speculative.

I think a $6-7M/yr deal is acceptable for RJ, but I'm hoping they also use the lack of a market to negotiate down the years for the deal. A 3yr deal that averaged $7-8M per year might be a bit more palatable than a $6-7M per year deal for 4 or 5. I just don't know if a higher starting salary would put the Spurs in a luxury tax situation.

3 years plus a team option on a 4th is what I'm expecting.

[DrSteffo]

3 years plus a team option on a 4th is what I'm expecting.

That's what I would hope for. Sounds ok.

[AFBlue]

3 years plus a team option on a 4th is what I'm expecting.

The problem with that is teams with MLE seem to be willing to offer four or five-year deals without hesitation. At least that's what I've seen most prominently this summer.

If some team offers five years at MLE (~$32M), it would be hard for RJ to turn that down in favor of a Spurs offer of say $24M for three years. Less money for less years in a system that he freely admits does nto play to his strengths...doesn't sound too tempting.

But we'll see how this plays out. It has at least worked in favor of the Spurs to drive down his overall market value to this point.

[E-RockWill]

Please, let this be all part of a S&T.......

[wildbill2u]

Jefferson may be finding out that his value is not that great. The Spurs should pick up on the lack of interest/bidding and base any offer accordingly.

[DrSteffo]

The problem with that is teams with MLE seem to be willing to offer four or five-year deals without hesitation. At least that's what I've seen most prominently this summer.

If some team offers five years at MLE (~$32M), it would be hard for RJ to turn that down in favor of a Spurs offer of say $24M for three years. Less money for less years in a system that he freely admits does nto play to his strengths...doesn't sound too tempting.

But we'll see how this plays out. It has at least worked in favor of the Spurs to drive down his overall market value to this point.

Yes good post. Crazy spending going on and to be honest I dont think he is really happy here. I don't mean this in a bad way but that thing before he came here with the cancelled wedding, him being shipped to a new team. I think there are some psychological stuff going on we have no clues about. Yes he is a pro but he is also human.

[200 miles]

How about RJ/Dice/Malik for Leon Powe/2011 2nd rounder? Would this help?
Is it even possible?

[AFBlue]

How about RJ/Dice/Malik for Leon Powe/2011 2nd rounder? Would this help?
Is it even possible?

FIFY...unless you were actually serious.

In which case, that is an awful deal for the Spurs. Giving up a serviceable big man and seemingly all of your SF depth for an uproven PF and a second-round pick? Yeesh.

[coyotes_geek]

The problem with that is teams with MLE seem to be willing to offer four or five-year deals without hesitation. At least that's what I've seen most prominently this summer.

If some team offers five years at MLE (~$32M), it would be hard for RJ to turn that down in favor of a Spurs offer of say $24M for three years. Less money for less years in a system that he freely admits does nto play to his strengths...doesn't sound too tempting.

But we'll see how this plays out. It has at least worked in favor of the Spurs to drive down his overall market value to this point.

Good points. There is definitely a balancing act going on here. Teams with cap room looking elsewhere pushes RJ's value down, but the closer that value gets to the MLE the more potential suitors come into play via teams with an MLE to use.

[200 miles]

FIFY...unless you were actually serious.

In which case, that is an awful deal for the Spurs. Giving up a serviceable big man and seemingly all of your SF depth for an uproven PF and a second-round pick? Yeesh.

Well then never mind. For some reason I thought of Powe as a natural SF.

[Manufan909]

This might've been posted already, but it's funny as hell, so I'm gonna put it up regardless.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_CqDk4jAv_Y4/TC1MUwJiiFI/AAAAAAAAElM/VL0mWgcMxic/s400/13.jpg

[sa_butta]

This might've been posted already, but it's funny as hell, so I'm gonna put it up regardless.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_CqDk4jAv_Y4/TC1MUwJiiFI/AAAAAAAAElM/VL0mWgcMxic/s400/13.jpg
:lol

[smrattler]

Do "imminent" things usually take this long to happen?

[Blackjack]

Do "imminent" things usually take this long to happen?

I think it was just a typo:


Jefferson's return could be impotent