Rockets offering Scola/Ariza/Battier for Bosh/Amare

[Creation88]

In their quest to land either of the top two free-agent power forwards – Chris Bosh or Amar’e Stoudemire – the Houston Rockets have been offering Trevor Ariza, Shane Battier and free agent Luis Scola in potential sign-and-trade packages, league sources said.

Scola obviously would have to agree to a sign-and-trade because he’s a free agent. If the Rockets can’t get either Bosh or Stoudemire, they will push forward in negotiations to re-sign Scola.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Take Barbosa and they have a deal

[Kindergarten Cop]

Here's the link:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AiwAjFfWAvQrWKsohFDCH028vLYF?slug=ys-freeagentbuzz070110

[4>0rings]

Take Bonner for free.

[The Franchise]

How does Wojokovidhfkj know this?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

The local Phoenix people know it to. Just please take Barbosa and Daryl Morey will always hold a warm spot in my heart :lol

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol rockets tryn get something for peanuts.....

[usdane]

How does Wojokovidhfkj know this?

He is one of the most credible and connected guy's covering the NBA.

[GuerillaBlack]

Just to be clear, it isn't a package of Scola + Battier + Ariza. It's Scola + Battier or Scola + Ariza. Also, they would just be the main players in the deal.

[The Franchise]

He is one of the most credible and connected guy's covering the NBA.

That's not really saying much. I don't care who he is, nobody is going to tell him what their offers consist of. I doubt they would tell Toronto until Bosh said he wanted to go to Houston. I smell bullpatties.

[noob cake]

Looks like we are not getting Amare or Bosh.

Anytime you hear a Rockets rumor, you can assume that it is not true.

There was no Artest rumor (Stat rumor), no Martin rumor (Trading with Knicks, Getting Stat rumor, Iggy Rumor), no drafting Patty (Every mock had just drafting Whiteside)

[sefant77]

Battier 31 and expiring
Scola 30 S&T demanding his big retirement payday contract
Overrated chucker sitting on a long MLE deal

Great value...

[peteee]

Battier 31 and expiring
Scola 30 S&T demanding his big retirement payday contract
Overrated chucker sitting on a long MLE deal

Great value...
that's why they've only targeted on Amaré and Bosh instead of anyone on the name list including Lebron, Wade, Joe Johnson etc.... Ariza was a pivotal member on Lakers 09' champion squad, Battier is one of the most famous defensive specialists and I believe the 31yr old still has some good years to play considering how great Bruce Bowen still was at age 35. Scola is rather old right now and is likely to get overpaid, his involvement here I believe is just for the only purpose of making salaries match. Ariza and Battier are what the Suns want IMHO. Raptors are going to start a new round of rebuilding anyway so it doesn't matter how much the receiving will contribute to their tactics. Battier brings the method of defense that Suns have never got, and Battier can also be used as a PF in Suns run-and-gun system.

[sefant77]

No, Raptors and Suns will be anyway in a kind of rebuilding stage after Bosh and Amare and thats all players they do not want in such a progress.

Battier would probably sign a year later with a better (contender) team. Scola is too old and will sit on an overpaid contract. Doesnt fit in a rebuilding team and doesnt have a huge trade value.

Ariza shined as 4th banana on the Lakers. In Houston he was a pretty blind chucker. His contract is too big for such a roleplayer. Teams can sign Ronnie Brewer for less.

[sook]

F**** that.


Scola gives 70% of the production on crazy efficiency and a tenth of the price. We need to hang on to luis.

[Harry Callahan]

F**** that.


Scola gives 70% of the production on crazy efficiency and a tenth of the price. We need to hang on to luis.

Don't think so. Scola is looking to get paid and paid now - I imagine he will see a 5/50 type deal. A starting point would be the Gooden deal that Milwaukee handed out.

With the CBA up next year with many possible changes to the salary cap/etc, that is why players have opted out while they know the rules.

Scola will not take the qualifying offer for one year. He will get paid or leave. Besides, a sign and trade will require a fairly sizable contract to allow Houston to take on a big contract. Houston does have the right of first refusal since he is a restricted FA.

[Kobe Molested Me]

Scola, Battier, Ariza, Knicks pick, for Bosh and Turkoglu

[pauls931]

k, Amare and Barbacoa for Battie, Scola, and Ariza.

[BlackSwordsMan]

scola is the next hakeem who wouldn't want him?

[Kindergarten Cop]

Just to be clear, it isn't a package of Scola + Battier + Ariza. It's Scola + Battier or Scola + Ariza. Also, they would just be the main players in the deal.

All reports that I have read have both Ariza AND Battier included which makes FAR more sense. Honestly, you think a combination of Scola and just one of the other guys is enough to get it done? Given that, why would Bosh agree to go to Houston over a chance to play with James and/or DWade?

[JMarkJohns]

No. If the Suns deal Amare, it needs to be for inexpensive, young talent.

I'd demand Hill be in the deal, and would push for the Knicks 1sts.

Suns could do Ariza/Jeffries/Hill/Knicks 1sts

Houston keeps most of the valuable pieces for contention, Suns get one solid PF prospect, a good SF and two 1sts for the future.

Rockets get to roll out a lineup of

PG: Brooks, Lowery (rfa)
SG: Martin, Budinger
SF: Battier, Patterson
PF: Scola, Hayes
C: Amare, Yao (Yao and Amare likely start if Yao is healthy)

[Sportcamper]

How in the world did Houston get Scola from the Spurs?

[Muser]

How in the world did Houston get Scola from the Spurs?

Matt Bonner needed paying.

[Giuseppe]

Amare will never agree to go to Houston. No way.

[Mel_13]

How in the world did Houston get Scola from the Spurs?

There's about a thousand Scola threads. Some amusing reading if you have the time.

Short answer is money. His rights were traded along with a bad contract to position the Spurs to avoid the tax.

[Giuseppe]

Hey, Mel, I got my assholes confused, how's come we're at loggerheads again?

[GuerillaBlack]

All reports that I have read have both Ariza AND Battier included which makes FAR more sense. Honestly, you think a combination of Scola and just one of the other guys is enough to get it done? Given that, why would Bosh agree to go to Houston over a chance to play with James and/or DWade?

Scola and one of Battier or Ariza would just be the main guys. Hence the sign and trade "packages". Jordan Hill, rights to Sergio Llull (who Colangelo likes) and the NY Knicks picks could also be included (as well as expiring contracts of Jeffries, Andersen, etc.).


No. If the Suns deal Amare, it needs to be for inexpensive, young talent.

I'd demand Hill be in the deal, and would push for the Knicks 1sts.

Suns could do Ariza/Jeffries/Hill/Knicks 1sts

Houston keeps most of the valuable pieces for contention, Suns get one solid PF prospect, a good SF and two 1sts for the future.

Rockets get to roll out a lineup of

PG: Brooks, Lowery (rfa)
SG: Martin, Budinger
SF: Battier, Patterson
PF: Scola, Hayes
C: Amare, Yao (Yao and Amare likely start if Yao is healthy)

I wouldn't give up both Knicks 1st round picks in a trade for Amare. Probably just the 2011 one. Throw in a Rockets first round pick though.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Scola and one of Battier or Ariza would just be the main guys. Hence the sign and trade "packages". Jordan Hill and the NY Knicks picks could also be included (as well as expiring contracts of Jeffries, Andersen, etc.).

I'm not saying that your scenario wouldn't work - it's just that it goes against all of the reports that I have read thus far (which admittedly likely all stem from a single report). And just because it technically works and I'm sure Toronto would be okay with it - I'm still puzzled why you think Bosh (who apparently has already ruled out going to Houston) or Stoudamire would agree to it when they have to opportunity to get the same money from other teams AND have the opportunity to pair with LeBron or DWade as well.

[GuerillaBlack]

I'm not saying that your scenario wouldn't work - it's just that it goes against all of the reports that I have read thus far (which admittedly likely all stem from a single report). And just because it technically works and I'm sure Toronto would be okay with it - I'm still puzzled why you think Bosh (who apparently has already ruled out going to Houston) or Stoudamire would agree to it when they have to opportunity to get the same money from other teams AND have the opportunity to pair with LeBron or DWade as well.

How will Bosh get the same money from Chicago and especially Miami? Especially when Toronto is not interested in Beasley and Noah won't be traded away from Chicago?

[Kindergarten Cop]

How will Bosh get the same money from Chicago and especially Miami? Especially when Toronto is not interested in Beasley and Noah won't be traded away from Chicago?

IMHO, if it came down to it Toronto would take whatever pieces (including Beasley) they could muster so they don't lose Bosh for nothing - but the way that Colangelo has been throwing money around the past two offseasons makes me honestly question his thinking anyways.

Besides, it's not as if Toronto has the upper hand in this decision anyways because I'm guessing that Bosh would forgo the extra money that he would gain in a S&T if it meant playing with LeBron and/or DWade as opposed to what would be left on the Rockets' roster. In other words, Bosh holds basically all of the cards in this deal.

BTW, it sounds as if Amar'e cannot be included in a S&T any longer with Phoenix's recent contract agreements.

[spursfan1000]

I don't know why Raptors would do this, I think they are in rebuilding mode now?

[GuerillaBlack]

IMHO, if it came down to it Toronto would take whatever pieces (including Beasley) they could muster so they don't lose Bosh for nothing - but the way that Colangelo has been throwing money around the past two offseasons makes me honestly question his thinking anyways.

Besides, it's not as if Toronto has the upper hand in this decision anyways because I'm guessing that Bosh would forgo the extra money that he would gain in a S&T if it meant playing with LeBron and/or DWade as opposed to what would be left on the Rockets' roster. In other words, Bosh holds basically all of the cards in this deal.

BTW, it sounds as if Amar'e cannot be included in a S&T any longer with Phoenix's recent contract agreements.

But it's been stated time and time again that Bosh wants that extra year. And Toronto DOES have leverage, because of that. Houston is the only team willing to give Toronto what they want and what Bosh wants. Chicago doesn't want to give up Noah (and with new reports, Colangelo doesn't want Deng). Toronto is also not interested in Beasley.

And what would be left on the Rockets roster if a trade like Scola + Battier + NY Picks + Hill + Jeffries + rights to Sergio Llull?

Brooks/Lowry
Martin/Taylor
Ariza/Budinger
Bosh/Patterson/Anderson
Yao/Brad Miller (he's pretty much going to sign)/Hayes

I'd roll with that lineup, especially that bench (aside from Miller, they are young, athletic, and quick). And who knows, maybe the Rockets can throw in cash at Toronto for a Battier buy out, and move Budinger back up to the backup 2. :toast

[Kindergarten Cop]

But it's been stated time and time again that Bosh wants that extra year. And Toronto DOES have leverage, because of that. Houston is the only team willing to give Toronto what they want and what Bosh wants. Chicago doesn't want to give up Noah (and with new reports, Colangelo doesn't want Deng). Toronto is also not interested in Beasley.

And what would be left on the Rockets roster if a trade like Scola + Battier + NY Picks + Hill + Jeffries + rights to Sergio Llull?

Brooks/Lowry
Martin/Taylor
Ariza/Budinger
Bosh/Patterson/Anderson
Yao/Brad Miller (he's pretty much going to sign)/Hayes

I'd roll with that lineup, especially that bench (aside from Miller, they are young, athletic, and quick). And who knows, maybe the Rockets can throw in cash at Toronto for a Battier buy out, and move Budinger back up to the backup 2. :toast

Valid points, but as I stated earlier - I think that Bosh has the leverage in spite of the exclusive nature to Toronto's ability to add a sixth year due to his opportunity to play with LeBron and/or DWade. I think he would forgo that extra money and IMHO, he only made those statements about wanting the extra year to see what Toronto would be willing to do with one of the teams that HE wants to go to. I believe that Toronto will be the first to blink in this game of chicken, because they have the most to lose. We'll have to wait it out to see what happens.

BTW, I didn't mean any disrespect to your team's lineup (because it does have a great deal of youth/athleticism) and I have a great deal of respect for your FO and coaching staff. I just think it's common sense that he would choose the opportunity to play with LeBron and DWade over virtually any other roster in the NBA.:toast

[Mel_13]

Hey, Mel, I got my assholes confused, how's come we're at loggerheads again?

You're alright with me, Cubby. Seems like you may have been a bit peeved that I publicized your broken vow.

[Mel_13]

No need for the Amare scenarios any more. Sarver saw to that.

[Mr Bones]

Scola isn't as glamorous as Amar'e, but there's a distinct possibility that the Suns would be better with him and Ariza. They'd be crazy not to take this, if offered.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Scola isn't as glamorous as Amar'e, but there's a distinct possibility that the Suns would be better with him and Ariza. They'd be crazy not to take this, if offered.

It's all moot now for Phoenix, because they can no longer offer Amar'e in a Max deal via S&T with their new commitments to Frye and Warrick.

[Goran Dragic]

Plus Amare would never agree to sign with Houston.

[ploto]

Bosh to Houston seems to be gaining momentum...

[The Franchise]

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As everyone knows, I reported last week on my morning drive show on Fox Sports Radio that LeBron James would join Dwayne Wade in Miami and take Chris Bosh with him to join the Heat. At the moment, that is still very possible, but there’s been a potentially huge monkey wrench thrown into the equation — with (understandable) greed on the part of Bosh being the main culprit.

So listen up. Here’s the breakdown:

All along, Pat Riley’s plan as President of the Heat was to convince Wade to take a paycut and offer all three (Wade, LeBron and Bosh) deals averaging approximately $15.7 mil….with opt-outs after three years. But since Bosh wants the max at all cost (and he’s trying to get it in a sign-and-trade deal with Houston), it changed the game for everyone. Especially Miami and New York.
May just happen.

[Kai]

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