Barry: 11min, 0pts, 0ast, 0-1fg, 1foul, 1turnover.

[SpursFanDan]

Its not just this game.. its the whole series.. whats his deal, is he shriveling up and hiding in his shell?

[SPURS21]

brent barry has been a huge let down this season but tonite he is just terrible
We're gonna need Devin Brown to come back soon if Barry keeps this shit up

Every Seattle run has been when Barry is on the court, every spur run has beenw ith him on the bench

[GrandeDavid]

i.e. Brent Barry has been the textbook definition of liability. No, make that useless. Nah, how about both.

[SPURS21]

gota lvoe that sequence where barry makes the offensive foul, ray ray comes down hits the three, barry comes down n shoots an ill advised rushed shot early in the shot clock to start a huge seattle run

[ALVAREZ6]

Get rid of barry this summer.

waste of fucking money. He doesn't bring anything but offensive fouls in this game, he can't hit a shot.

[ALVAREZ6]

Why the hell is brent barry still starting. This Manu coming off the bench thing worked to solve the problem w/ denver. This is seattle, and Brent isn't doing shit. He's a complete fool. He was a sonic last year, shouldn't he have some sort of an advantage.

[dn0]

this is the fucking playoffs you can't have a good game and disappear 8.
barry == hedo

[weebo]

Barry was seattles player of the game tonight, but someone needs to tell him he plays for us now.

[GrandeDavid]

Cut his ass.

[Tom_Foolery]

If we lose the series I think it's time for Bruce to be replaced in the starting lineup with a SF that can score.

We just can't win the championship with Bruce scoring 3pt & 2pt games. It's just too hard.

I wouldn't mind picking up Shareef & starting him at the 3 either.

[Brodels]

Don't say you weren't warned. I, through an article, and other, through postings, have shown all year how Barry chokes in the playoffs every single year. Whottt doesn't like to hear it, but it happens every single year. And he's useless in the playoffs again this season.

I can't imagine how anyone can be surprised by this. It should have been expected, because he's shown that he doesn't have the mental toughness to succeed in the playoffs.

[texbumTHElife]

Offseason signings are becoming quite the problem area for this team. After spending years doing nothing at all in FA its becoming obvious why Pop had that mentality. When you looks at the guys he has brought in through FA and signed to large contracts its obvious.

We should only be so lucky to be able to rid ourselves of Barry and Nesterovich this offseason. It wont happen though.

[violentkitten]

fuck man this was a game tailor made for his skills.

[Tobias]

... he can't hit a shot.
When did he start taking them?

[cherylsteele]

Hell people.....no one played well....with the exception of Timmy.

TP made Luke Ridnour look like a HOF'er.
Manu made some stupid plays.
Nazr played like crap....he rarley stepped up to stop a drive....this has been my biggest problem with him.
Rasho wasn't out there enough to put too much on him.

Most of these players played more minutes and had more impact on the game and yet you call out Barry.

[ALVAREZ6]

When did he start taking them?
Exactly.

Thanks for bringing that up, he is USELESS.

Does not shoot (when he does, he misses), does not get boards, does not get any assists.

Barry = Useless.

Might as well let me play in his place.

[baseline bum]

There's no middle ground with Barry. Either he's amazing and making the game easier for everyone or he's flaming out spectacularly. His consistency is disgusting... he's Vinny Del Negro all over again.

[bravemouse]

We are starting 3 players who average 7 points or less in the series (and for the whole playoffs for that matter) in Barry, Bowen and Mohammed.

We all know why Bowen needs to start in this series but it is definately time to replace Barry with Manu in the starting lineup. I feel pretty sure that Pop will make that adjustment before Game 5 to wake up the team. Tonight's performance was horrendous in terms of taking care of the basketball.

[mcshine]

Introducing this year's Hedo Turkey-loo: Brent "the Invisible Man" Barry! way to be there for the team Bent Barry. Can we swap you for your bro? He's got a little toughness, he'll put up some resistance to the basket, he ain't afriad to shoot it.

Nice of you to get rich at the Spurs expense.

If Devin hadn't gotten hurt Barry would be burried in the bench next to Messenberg.

[Tobias]

Why hasn't Mass played anyway? Shit, its not like we we hadn't tried everything else

[Kori Ellis]

Brent Barry has no business in the rotation.

Start Devin (if you still want Manu to come off the bench) and let Barry play spot minutes.

[spurster]

Keep Barry on the bench. It seemed like a great move in the offseason, but Brent now is doing worse than Hedon't. At least Hedon't would shoot.

Start Manu and bring in Devin as the third swingman.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

At least Pop has his scapegoat for his shitty offense.

[MI21]

Barry is basically doing nothing. He isn't making shots and isn't passing smart. He isn't playing backup PG so he isn't running the offense. He is average at best defensively.

Very disapointing.

[spurster]

Start Manu and bring Devin in as the third swingman.

[timvp]

Barry was horrible. I'd rather have Hedo at this point ... with the broken wrist.

Barry plays scared. Barry is a wuss. I thought starting would help him not get so nervous, but that hasn't helped. This was the biggest game of the year for the Spurs and Barry plays his worst. Sadly, I'm not surprised.

Where is Whottt now? He needs to defend his man.








P.S.

Whottt will be nowhere to be found.

[Nikos]

Whott will recite PPS (even though his pp48 is like 5). And all those baskets he scores are in blowouts or when the game is decided.

[1Parker1]

Barry was horrible. I'd rather have Hedo at this point ... with the broken wrist.

Barry plays scared. Barry is a wuss. I thought starting would help him not get so nervous, but that hasn't helped. This was the biggest game of the year for the Spurs and Barry plays his worst. Sadly, I'm not surprised.

Where is Whottt now? He needs to defend his man.

You really think this was the biggest game of the year? I'd say game 5 will be.








P.S.

Whottt will be nowhere to be found.

[Que Gee]

you guys are a joke...Everyone but Tim was a joke tonight. Tony parker is the biggest ball hog ever and doesn't make one person around him better...And we have to keep going back to the Barry argument....Does anyone watch the games? I am not defending him..he played bad this game...but up until tonight he's hardly warranted any bad mouthing...shooting close to50% from the floor and 39% from three land...If you people think he is your savior...which for some reason everyone has...you all need to figure out the game of basketball

[ShoogarBear]

Emblematic play in the first half: Barry with the ball and three seconds on the shot clock gives it up to Bowen(!) who has to chuck something up with one on the buzzer.

Not "high IQ", not brave, complete indefensible.

[timvp]

you guys are a joke...Everyone but Tim was a joke tonight. Tony parker is the biggest ball hog ever and doesn't make one person around him better...And we have to keep going back to the Barry argument....Does anyone watch the games? I am not defending him..he played bad this game...but up until tonight he's hardly warranted any bad mouthing...shooting close to50% from the floor and 39% from three land...If you people think he is your savior...which for some reason everyone has...you all need to figure out the game of basketball

No one wants him to be a savior. They just want him to play like a member of the male gender.

[Que Gee]

Barry was horrible. I'd rather have Hedo at this point ... with the broken wrist.

Barry plays scared. Barry is a wuss. I thought starting would help him not get so nervous, but that hasn't helped. This was the biggest game of the year for the Spurs and Barry plays his worst. Sadly, I'm not surprised.

Where is Whottt now? He needs to defend his man.

11 minutes...the guys played 5 minutes in the first half of the game...5 minutes and the guys is supposed to make some sort of impact...He plays 11 minutes totalling the game and he is the focal point of the loss...What a joke. But I'm not surprised, your one of the stat mongers...stats, stats, stats,....I laugh everytime I see the stat mongers post that crap.








P.S.

Whottt will be nowhere to be found.

[Tom_Foolery]

you guys are a joke...Everyone but Tim was a joke tonight. Tony parker is the biggest ball hog ever and doesn't make one person around him better...And we have to keep going back to the Barry argument....Does anyone watch the games? I am not defending him..he played bad this game...but up until tonight he's hardly warranted any bad mouthing...shooting close to50% from the floor and 39% from three land...If you people think he is your savior...which for some reason everyone has...you all need to figure out the game of basketball


Well, his inability to score off the bench was the reason why Manu is coming off the bench.


What are we going to do now that Barry can't score as as starter?

Simple: Start Manu and have Devin as the 6th man.

[Tobias]

I dont think Barry can even score with his wife.

ZING!

[Que Gee]

Well, his inability to score off the bench was the reason why Manu is coming off the bench.


What are we going to do now that Barry can't score as as starter?

Simple: Start Manu and have Devin as the 6th man.

You guys just don't get it...It doesn't matter whether its Devin or Beno, or fucking Mike Wilks...As long as Tony refuses to get people involved in the offense, NO ONE is gong to score...Nobody had more then 3 shots at Half time of this game...NO ONE. Manu had the most with 3...3 fucking shots...So you tell me that Brent Bary was the downfall tonight...Pop needs to slap Parker around and tell him that he needs to get EVERYONE involved in the offense..whether its Manu, Barry, Devin...or fucking Tony Massenberg.

[TwoHandJam]

Barry was fucking putrid tonight but I agree, but Parker shoulders more of the blame for this loss. He was totally outplayed by Luke fucking Ridnour. A fucking 120 lb sophmore. As our starting pg and the guy who sets up our offense, his play is far more important than Barry's and he got totally punked.

He stood around with the ball, was scared to take it in the paint and in general made bad decisions. When he doesn't break down the defense, we suck more often than not. I thought he might have turned the corner this year but I was wrong.

[Aguila5]

Barry - please take Parker with you. We can't afford a 66 million dollar point guard who only talks a good game. With his salary, every game should be a best effort, not just every once in a while when he feels like it.

[Shelly]

Manu needs to start again.

Let him play the whole fricking game if necessary.

[T Park]

please take Parker with you


that makes sense trade away a 23 year old point guard.


Wanna tell me who youd get to replace him genius?

[atlfan25]

god forbid someone have a bad game

[Tobias]

Ridnour! =D

[Gummi]

The problem with Barry is that he's not doing anything and when he does something he either looses the ball or he's called for offensive foul. And to think that people were saying that he might be the best free agent signing in the off-season is hilarious.

I'll never put the blame on one single player and I'm not going to put it on Barry here, but he's played like crap the past two games. I guess he really is a playoff choker.

The Spurs front office needs to start asking themselves about his future here.

[Aguila5]

that makes sense trade away a 23 year old point guard.


Wanna tell me who youd get to replace him genius?

How about Luke? Try to get hold of your personal feelings, run spell check, and then call someone genius.

[timvp]

Whottt is always pointing to Barry's +/- to prove Barry is good. Well tonight Barry was already a -14 by the middle of the third quarter. Without him on the court, the Spurs were a +4. That is huge.

Barry needs to be buried on the bench until he proves he has a pair.

[atlfan25]

How about Luke? Try to get hold of your personal feelings, run spell check, and then call someone genius.
you're right son, a guy has a good game and it's time to bring him in to replace a guy who is 3 times better than him.
aguila5=moron

[boutons]

I hate to get down on one player, and almost never do, since the Spurs are a TEAM that succeeds/fails as a TEAM, but right here, much later some you, I stop giving Brent the benefit of the doubt.

No need to insult him and trash talk him, but he just ain't capable of contributing.

Bye, Brent.

[nickbroken]

No one wants him to be a savior. They just want him to play like a member of the male gender.


Are you kidding I would take someone from WNBA at this point over Barry's sorry ass.

[Aguila5]

you're right son, a guy has a good game and it's time to bring him in to replace a guy who is 3 times better than him.
aguila5=moron

Luke was a joke - over your head I see.

[whottt]

A.Barry sucked today. Even by my standards. Pop did try and run him at the point and it didn't work out, for a change. But I am tried of arguing with morons that single this guy out for the loss. He didn't make 20 turnovers. The whole team played shitty.


B. TimVP, I told you starting him wasn't going to make the difference. What happened to Pop being a genius? Why don't you stop playing both sides. C'mon...you want the start...admit you were wrong about it being the solution.

C. We did start Manu in the second half....how'd that work out for us?

D. What the fuck is Bowen's excuse? He shot worse and he gave up 32 fucking points.

E. Brodels, your argument is fucking weak. You selectively pick stats that back up your argument and ignore the ones that don't. Get over yourself. And don't let the battle blog victories go to your head.

F. Ball movement and court awareness are the problem with this team...The Spurs play like a team of ballhogs, and they got into this habit during the Denver series. Manu, Parker and yes, even Duncan, do not pass out of the paint nearly enough when guys are open on the perimeter. Rewatch the game and you will see guys open on the perimeter all day long, while our big 3 are chucking up shit in clogged paint.

G.Don't look at me...I picked Seattle to win this series.

Believe

[boutons]

Whott, I've listened to you defend Barry. You made some excellent poinst about him and kept extending my patience with Brent, but after all season, and this deep into the playoffs, with all the chances Brent has had to contribute seriously, I've just run out of patience with Brent.

[timvp]

A.Barry sucked today. Even by my standards. Pop did try and run him at the point and it didn't work out, for a change. But I am tried of arguing with morons that single this guy out for the loss. He didn't make 20 turnovers. The whole team played shitty.

Yeah he wasn't too bad because he didn't commit 20 turnovers. Yeah.


B. TimVP, I told you starting him wasn't going to make the difference. What happened to Pop being a genius? Why don't you stop playing both sides. C'mon...you want the start...admit you were wrong about it being the solution.

I thought Barry was of the male gender. I though letting him start would help him not be nervous. Apparently I was wrong. I overestimated Barry.

But you too just the other day posted about how the Spurs are so awesome with him starting. Don't back off your stance now. I'll find the link if you need it.


C. We did start Manu in the second half....how'd that work out for us?

It worked great.

The Spurs tied the freaking game. They didn't start getting blown out until Barry came in.

Did you watch the game?


D. What the fuck is Bowen's excuse? He shot worse and he gave up 32 fucking points.

He was trying. Barry was playing scared ... again.


E. Brodels, your argument is fucking weak. You selectively pick stats that back up your argument and ignore the ones that don't. Get over yourself. And don't let the battle blog victories go to your head.

Barry has always choked in the playoffs. What is to argue?


F. Ball movement and court awareness are the problem with this team...The Spurs play like a team of ballhogs, and they got into this habit during the Denver series. Manu, Parker and yes, even Duncan, do not pass out of the paint nearly enough when guys are open on the perimeter. Rewatch the game and you will see guys open on the perimeter all day long, while our big 3 are chucking up shit in clogged paint.

Barry was too afraid to shoot. He made stupid passes. He made stupid decisions.

It's hard to win when Tim, Manu and Tony are playing 3 on 5.


G.Don't look at me...I picked Seattle to win this series.

You also picked Denver to win last series after the Spurs lost game one.

Just because you are now a Brent Barry fan instead of a Spurs fan, don't try to deflect it.


Believe

True.

[SPARKY]

Playoff performers are worth much more than some realize. How many here would want Jack instead of Shaggy right now? That's right. Ditto for Malik instead of Radosoft or Nazr or whoever. You want guys who will compete, not hide. Guys who will answer the call.

[whottt]

By the way...

This is what Barry is shooting for the playoffs: FG% 458, 3PT% 370

This is what Hedo shot: FG% 321, 3PT% 333

This is what Jack shot: FG% 414, 336%

As you can see...he is clearly shooting better than any of them...I personally would try to get him more shots, instead of having Parker, Manu and Duncan all trying to score 20ppg.

And don't tell me stats don't mean anything...you people ripped Barry all season long based on his shooting PCT's.

[Kori Ellis]

Get him more shots, Whottt?

How about he shoot the ball instead of dishing it to Bowen with .0002 left on the shot clock?

How about him not getting rattled every time the ball is in his hands, and just shooting?

[atlfan25]

Luke was a joke - over your head I see.
no you don't see

[SPARKY]

Jack hit shots when they fucking mattered not in garbage time.

[whottt]

Yeah he wasn't too bad because he didn't commit 20 turnovers. Yeah.



I thought Barry was of the male gender. I though letting him start would help him not be nervous. Apparently I was wrong. I overestimated Barry.

But you too just the other day posted about how the Spurs are so awesome with him starting. Don't back off your stance now. I'll find the link if you need it.

Go look...and you'll see I was saying it was about minutes...not starting.




It worked great.

The Spurs tied the freaking game. They didn't start getting blown out until Barry came in.

Did you watch the game?

Please...




He was trying. Barry was playing scared ... again.

Prove it.




Barry has always choked in the playoffs. What is to argue?

He hasn't choked as much as we have. Who do we blame for last year?




Barry was too afraid to shoot. He made stupid passes. He made stupid decisions.

True...he did make stupid passes and stupid decision...but he doesn't always play that way.


It's hard to win when Tim, Manu and Tony are playing 3 on 5.

No one is forcing them to chuck up bad shots...either they aren't trusting their teamates or else they aren't paying attention.




You also picked Denver to win last series after the Spurs lost game one.

Just because you are now a Brent Barry fan instead of a Spurs fan, don't try to deflect it.

I am a Spurs fan...I just can't help but notice that unless Steve Kerr comes off the bench to shoot 877% for an entire playoff run, we seem to choke...I think it's our offense...





True.[/QUOTE]

[timvp]

By the way...

This is what Barry is shooting for the playoffs: FG% 458, 3PT% 370

This is what Hedo shot: FG% 321, 3PT% 333

This is what Jack shot: FG% 414, 336%

As you can see...he is clearly shooting better than any of them...I personally would try to get him more shots, instead of having Parker, Manu and Duncan all trying to score 20ppg.

And don't tell me stats don't mean anything...you people ripped Barry all season long based on his shooting PCT's.

Take out the games that the Spurs won by more than 15 points, and Barry's averages plummet:

34.7% from the field
20.0% from threes

Those are his true stats. Of course he plays well in games that the Spurs are winning by a lot. That's what his career is based on. He's put up pretty stats on teams that suck. When the game is blown open, there is no pressure for him to perform.

And for someone who plays nervous and scared, that's the time for him to shine.

He's not a playoff player. Admit this.

[nickbroken]

Yeah how much did his FG% come into play tonight?

[timvp]

Go look...and you'll see I was saying it was about minutes...not starting.

You make it too easy.


Actually...it's more revealing than that...

The Spurs are 11-2 when Barry starts period. 8 of those were Manuless games.

When Barry starts with Tim Duncan the Spurs are 11-0. 8 of those without Manu.

When Barry starts without Manu or Duncan being healthy the Spurs are 1-2.

The two losses we have with Barry starting were @ Phoenix and VS Denver and we lost both by by a total of 9 points....with no Duncan or Manu.


Get this...

In Barry's 13 starts this season...the Spurs have only failed to score 100 points 3 times...

Our highest scoring game of the season was in a Barry start with no Duncan or Manu.

:lol @ Whottt



Please...

Please what? Did you watch the game?

The Spurs were down by six going into halftime. They tied it at 54 ... and then Barry came in. By the time Barry was pulled off the court, the Spurs were down by nine points.

Again, did you watch?



Prove it.

Prove that he's scared and plays nervous? Watch the game and you'll see all the proof you need.


He hasn't choked as much as we have. Who do we blame for last year?

He might not of choked because it's tough for sucky teams to choke. He's never been on a winner before this season. And this year, it was in spite of him.

And look at Seattle. Their main offseason move was letting Barry walk. They went from lottery team to a couple wins away from the WCF. That's not an accident.


True...he did make stupid passes and stupid decision...but he doesn't always play that way.

Of course he doesn't. Usually he doesn't do anything.

Unless it's a blowout.


No one is forcing them to chuck up bad shots...either they aren't trusting their teamates or else they aren't paying attention.

Barry is afraid to shoot. Even if you hit him wide open, he's not likely to shoot.



I am a Spurs fan...I just can't help but notice that unless Steve Kerr comes off the bench to shoot 877% for an entire playoff run, we seem to choke...I think it's our offense...

And in '99?

[ca®lo]

sad to say. but barry has been nothing but the hedo we had d last time.

no improvements.

[firepopovich]

hedo was taller

thats about the only differnce

[SPARKY]

Spurs lost Hedo last summer and managed to regress. Yes, at least Hedo was worthwhile defensively.

Sad thing is that the Spurs could've had Jack back...

[whottt]

Take out the games that the Spurs won by more than 15 points, and Barry's averages plummet:

34.7% from the field
20.0% from threes

Those are his true stats. Of course he plays well in games that the Spurs are winning by a lot. That's what his career is based on. He's put up pretty stats on teams that suck. When the game is blown open, there is no pressure for him to perform.

That huge load of crap...he's played his best in tight games all season long. And his worst season came on the the worst team he played on.

Maybe when he plays well it is a blowout...to me that would mean we should do more to get him to play well(to be fair about this, Pop has been doing a better job on this, and Barry did suck today).




And for someone who plays nervous and scared, that's the time for him to shine.

He's not a playoff player. Admit this.

I posted you unlimited statistical data to back up my point...data that can be applied to all players...

You OTOH, selectively alter his subtract stats to suit your argument and make unverifiable accusations against him to justify your bias.


You hold this guy to a huge double standard and you have all season long...Admit that.

Barry isn't the player that the Spurs wanted him to be...he's not a scorer. He never has been...Why hate?

Instead of pointing the finger at me...point it at Pop almighty...he signed him, not me...and then point it at yourselves for thinking he is god and above blame.

He's the one that let Jack go because Jack was too independent minded for him...he's the one that pissed Kerr off into retirement by icing him on the bench

As for me...I am and will continue to be right.

The Spurs aren't playing team ball on offense...point the finger at the big 3 and Pop. Vanilla offense...failure to make adjustments...focusng the offense on 3 players and no one else.

And sorry...but they don't give a trophy for trying in the NBA...it's funny how Bowen can suck ass...and Devin can blatantly fucking choke...and you guys will give them an unlimited free pass...I am the one without bias.

And BTW...Devin is the guy that puts up meaningless stats...I am sure you guys will look back on his performance today and say it was clutch...that's what ya'll did last season.

[whottt]

Spurs lost Hedo last summer and managed to regress. Yes, at least Hedo was worthwhile defensively.

Sad thing is that the Spurs could've had Jack back...

Why don't you shut the fuck up and stop whining about who isn't here...cheerleader.

If anyone else criticizes, you have vaginal discharge and post 6.3 billion meltdown threads trying to control the board thinking...

Hypocrite.

[E20]

I'm willing to give Barry 1 more chance, he needs to really nut up and plays some ball on Tuesday if wants any respect from Spurs fans because mine is like a thread holding an anvil.

[timvp]

That huge load of crap...he's played his best in tight games all season long.

I stopped reading after that. It's no use.

Barry chokes in the playoffs and then Whottt points to the regular season.

Classic.

[whottt]

I stopped reading after that. It's no use.

Barry chokes in the playoffs and then Whottt points to the regular season.

Classic.

Prove it...his PCT's are now better in the playoffs.

Prove it. And if you are going to subtract his good games in blowouts then you need to do it to everyone.

[timvp]

Prove it...his PCT's are now better in the playoffs.

Prove it. And if you are going to subtract his good games in blowouts then you need to do it to everyone.

I subtract blowouts. That's when he scores. Other than that, he plays scared.

Truth.








P.S.

Respond to my other post.

[SPARKY]

Yeah whottt, I'm the usual "meltdown" thread maker.

Fuck man, Brent Barry is dogshit. Stop trying to pretend otherwise.

[Manu20]

I'm dissapointed in Barry performance so far in this playoffs but he still has a chance to step up.

BTW Do not be scare to shoot the ball Barry.

[ca®lo]

how i wish we had sjax.

[whottt]

Respond to what? Apply it to everone else....

15 is just arbitrary number that let you make the point you want to make.

You won't count the regular season so there's no way for you to know if he is clutch...One could argue that game 2 of the Denver game was the biggest game we have played...

If you believe, then what are you worried about? Starting to run out of player to scapegoat on Pop's behalf?

What, because he couldn't beat a 1 or a 2 seed as a 7 or an 8 seed you have proved he chokes?

Do you really think that's a good point...I can go find a lot of guys that couldn't do that.

When was the last time Tim Duncan beat a higher seeded team?

Thanks for playing.

[timvp]

Go look...and you'll see I was saying it was about minutes...not starting.

You make it too easy.


Actually...it's more revealing than that...

The Spurs are 11-2 when Barry starts period. 8 of those were Manuless games.

When Barry starts with Tim Duncan the Spurs are 11-0. 8 of those without Manu.

When Barry starts without Manu or Duncan being healthy the Spurs are 1-2.

The two losses we have with Barry starting were @ Phoenix and VS Denver and we lost both by by a total of 9 points....with no Duncan or Manu.


Get this...

In Barry's 13 starts this season...the Spurs have only failed to score 100 points 3 times...

Our highest scoring game of the season was in a Barry start with no Duncan or Manu.

:lol @ Whottt



Please...

Please what? Did you watch the game?

The Spurs were down by six going into halftime. They tied it at 54 ... and then Barry came in. By the time Barry was pulled off the court, the Spurs were down by nine points.

Again, did you watch?



Prove it.

Prove that he's scared and plays nervous? Watch the game and you'll see all the proof you need.


He hasn't choked as much as we have. Who do we blame for last year?

He might not of choked because it's tough for sucky teams to choke. He's never been on a winner before this season. And this year, it was in spite of him.

And look at Seattle. Their main offseason move was letting Barry walk. They went from lottery team to a couple wins away from the WCF. That's not an accident.


True...he did make stupid passes and stupid decision...but he doesn't always play that way.

Of course he doesn't. Usually he doesn't do anything.

Unless it's a blowout.


No one is forcing them to chuck up bad shots...either they aren't trusting their teamates or else they aren't paying attention.

Barry is afraid to shoot. Even if you hit him wide open, he's not likely to shoot.



I am a Spurs fan...I just can't help but notice that unless Steve Kerr comes off the bench to shoot 877% for an entire playoff run, we seem to choke...I think it's our offense...

And in '99?

[E20]

Whottt must be pretty thickheaded to not admit that Barry has proved worthless in this playoff series

[SPARKY]

timvp scores a KO with a classic Ghost Writer move...

[timvp]

:lol

[whottt]

You make it too easy.





:lol @ Whottt




Please what? Did you watch the game?

The Spurs were down by six going into halftime. They tied it at 54 ... and then Barry came in. By the time Barry was pulled off the court, the Spurs were down by nine points.

Again, did you watch?

That's the first time that has happened and you act like it's the rule...Why don't you blame Duncan's 5 turnovers, Parker's 4, Manu's three...how many shots do you expect anyone else to get with those guys taking it into the paint and not passing out of it...tell me how many passes you have seen out of the paint in this series...





Prove that he's scared and plays nervous? Watch the game and you'll see all the proof you need.

That's what you said in the regular season too...and were proved wrong time and time again. You just don't admit it.




He might not of choked because it's tough for sucky teams to choke. He's never been on a winner before this season. And this year, it was in spite of him.

Jack had never been a winner before either....Steve Kerr never had been before he played for the Bulls...


And look at Seattle. Their main offseason move was letting Barry walk. They went from lottery team to a couple wins away from the WCF. That's not an accident.

Fine...then just explain how they were worse with him injured last year.




Of course he doesn't. Usually he doesn't do anything.

Unless it's a blowout.



Barry is afraid to shoot. Even if you hit him wide open, he's not likely to shoot.

He does what he's asked to do.





And in '99?

Jaren Jackson went insane against the Lakers...yes we swept but we barely beat them every game.

Why don't you go look at what SuperMario and Kerr shot in those playoffs...were they chokers too?

[SPARKY]

Now all that's left is for timvp to post:



Spurs sign guard who disappears in the playoffs instead of a true balla?

We're The Spurs.©

:devil

[whottt]

And by the way...you guys need to get over Jack...It's over..

And Jack did not do shit to beat the Lakers that season...he choked worse against them than Hedo, or Smitty...go look it up. And he didn't hit any big shots that series either...

And that title clinching game...he was like 1-7 with 7 turnovers in the first half of that game...7 fucking turnovers...

And you guys can't suck his dick his hard enough...

[T Park]

1-7

id love if Barry had the nuts to shoot 7 times.


Maybe if you got off of them, he could???

[SPARKY]

Yeah, other than nailing some title winning shots in crunch time Jack had a bad game. Pretty fucking convincing argument there.

[whottt]

TimVP, selectively left out the part where I said it was about minutes not starts...both times.

He hasn't KO'ed shit.

I am waiting for him to post something of substance...so then I can expose the double standard...but he won't do it because he knows better.

[SPARKY]

whottt, at this point you are lying on a stretcher in the back of an ambulance.

[whottt]

Yeah, other than nailing some title winning shots in crunch time Jack had a bad game. Pretty fucking convincing argument there.


You miss the point entirely...Pop didn't have any other options...he had to go with Jack. If he had other options you think Jack would have made it off the bench to do that?

And for all of Jack's performance...if Kerr doesn't come off the bench to get things rolling again...Jack would never been able to help dig us out of the hole he dug...

And Jack didn't just have a bad game...he sucked ass against the Lakers...the same team that eliminates us every year...

If Horry makes that shot...Jack doesn't go down as clutch...he goes down as the worst choker of them all.

[timvp]

That's the first time that has happened and you act like it's the rule...

Barry's first three stints in the game were -6, -1 and -7. Can't get much worse (or consistent) than that.


That's what you said in the regular season too...and were proved wrong time and time again. You just don't admit it.

I was proved wrong that he plays scared? :lol

Look at him. He's shivering out there.



Jack had never been a winner before either....Steve Kerr never had been before he played for the Bulls...

Nice logic there :lol

Jordan wasn't a winner either until he joined the Bulls.


Fine...then just explain how they were worse with him injured last year.

When any starting point guard goes out, their team is going to struggle. That's how it works.

Explain how the Sonics have gone from lottery balls to two wins against the Spurs in the second round of the playoffs. All they did was trade Booth for Fortson and let Barry walk.


He does what he's asked to do.

Nope. Pop asks him to shoot.


Jaren Jackson went insane against the Lakers...yes we swept but we barely beat them every game.

Why don't you go look at what SuperMario and Kerr shot in those playoffs...were they chokers too?

Devin Brown came up big last playoffs. Manu has come up big before. Parker has had his playoff moments.

The Spurs have enough weapons. Barry isn't one of them. He's a wuss.

[SPARKY]

What about Game 6 at Dallas in the WCF motherfucker? Don't even try to explain that away. Jack brought that team back from the dead again and again. Kerr of course had the name, personality, and, yes, the skin color that has made him the fan favorite of 50 year old male white suburbanites everywhere.

[whottt]

whottt, at this point you are lying on a stretcher in the back of an ambulance.



Tell you what...get all the stupid people in the world together...it still won't make them right...

Post something of substance...and watch how far your double standard gets stuck up your butt.

[Vashner]

Everyone has a bad day now and then...

[SPARKY]

Tell you what...get all the stupid people in the world together...it still won't make them right...

whottt, you are responsible for most, if not all, of the stupid arguments in this forum. Doesn't make you right.





Post something of substance...and watch how far your double standard gets stuck up your butt.

Length does not equal the quality of the content. Your stupidity is quite easily exposed with a minimum of written effort. Stop wasting my time.

[whottt]

What about Game 6 at Dallas in the WCF motherfucker? Don't even try to explain that away. Jack brought that team back from the dead again and again. Kerr of course had the name, personality, and, yes, the skin color that has made him the fan favorite of 50 year old male white suburbanites everywhere.

Sorry...that was a 12 point blowout...those don't count according to TimVP.

[SPARKY]

I'm not timvp. You can't explain that away. Jack brought that team back from getting its ass kicked on the road.

Barry? He had his chance today. He failed.

[timvp]

Sorry...that was a 12 point blowout...those don't count according to TimVP.

All of Barry's "Big Games" have come when the game was over after three quarters. There's a reason. He's never won anything. He couldn't even lead his college team to the NCAA tournament. He's never done anything of note in a clutch situation.

Preseason games in December don't count.

[whottt]

Whottt must be pretty thickheaded to not admit that Barry has proved worthless in this playoff series


Who the fuck is thickheaded? I said he sucked today...

Worthless in this series? This is the first bad game he has had...why don't you go look at the numbers...

He's been good for about 9, 5 rebounds, and 4 assists just about every game of the series until today....when everyone sucked.

Barry wasn't the idiot who missed 15 fucking freethrows and shortarmed the game winning shot...

Barry wasn't the guy that jacked up 15 bad shots and made 20 turnovers today by forcing it into a clogged paint.


Did he play bad today? Yeah...he really did. Was he the reason we lost...no more than anyone else.

[T Park]

Sorry...that was a 12 point blowout

correctiong, it was 69-56 going into the 4th quarter, when the Spurs came back.

Thanks to a

Ginobili 3
Jackson 3

jackson 3

Kerr 3

Kerr 3

duncan 2

Kerr 3


Anyone notice a pattern??


We got fuckin Lucky Kerr and Jackson made threes.

Fuckin aggie was right.....

[whottt]

All of Barry's "Big Games" have come when the game was over after three quarters. There's a reason. He's never won anything. He couldn't even lead his college team to the NCAA tournament.

What did Jack do in the NCAA tournament?



He's never done anything of note in a clutch situation.

How mahy opportunities has he had?


Preseason games in December don't count.

What about late in the season when we were fighting off the Mavs?

Why don't you count up how many fucking last second shots and FT's Duncan has missed in the past 3 weeks...and see what you come up with on him.

[T Park]

This is the first bad game he has had

didya miss game 3?

[SPARKY]

Barry is a fucking pussy who can't bring himself to put the rock on the floor and drive. Sure, he's got the handles and the shooting touch but that isn't worth much.

As for the first 3 games of this series, 2 of those were blowouts in which he put up his phenomenal 9 points a game. BFD.

When the games were decided it was Manu who was on the court. That's Manu.

[whottt]

Contrary to popular belief...we lost playoff games when Jack was here...and he played really shitty in some of those losses.

He had a knack for game sixes...maybe Barry will too...we'll never know until he actually plays in one.

[whottt]

didya miss game 3?

7 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, 40% from 3 point range...

And hey..1000% from the FT line.

Yeah...he was the reason we lost....

Idiots.

[SPARKY]

What about playoff series? Ooops.

Your Barry Boy Love is sickening.

[SPARKY]

7 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, 40% from 3 point range...

And hey..1000% from the FT line.

Yeah...he was the reason we lost....

Idiots.

He took 1 fucking free throw. How the fuck does the starting 2 guard take only 1 fucking free throw and put up only 7 points in 31 minutes? Well, if he's a tentative little bitch like the center whottt's boy love.

[whottt]

Barry is a fucking pussy who can't bring himself to put the rock on the floor and drive. Sure, he's got the handles and the shooting touch but that isn't worth much.

Yeah...idiot...becasue we don't have enough guys taking it into the paint and jacking up bad shots. That's our problem!


As for the first 3 games of this series, 2 of those were blowouts in which he put up his phenomenal 9 points a game. BFD.

How many should he put up in a blowout to get you to shut the fuck up?


When the games were decided it was Manu who was on the court. That's Manu.

Manu>>>>>>>>Barry, only an idiot holds that against him.

[SPARKY]

How the fuck is Barry supposed to make use of his wonderful touch from the line if the bitch won't face contact? What the fuck man?

Man, if only Barry put in as much effort on the court as you do when trying to make him actually seem like a worthwhile member of the rotation...

[SPARKY]

How many should he put up in a blowout

Blowouts don't matter regardless of how hard you try to pimp them. The bitch doesn't show up when the game is on the line.

[SequSpur]

Ok..

It's official. I waited all year for this mofo to prove me wrong. I thought it was one of the best moves ever but it turned out to be dog shit.

Hedo > Barry

Jaren Jackson > Barry

[whottt]

He took 1 fucking free throw. How the fuck does the starting 2 guard take only 1 fucking free throw and put up only 7 points in 31 minutes? Well, if he's a tentative little bitch like the center whottt's boy love.


http://www.nba.com/games/20030505/LALSAS/boxscore.html


Game 1 of the 03 playoffs VS the LA Lakers:

PLAYER POS MIN FGM-A 3GM-A FTM-A OFF DEF TOT AST PF ST TO BS PTS
TONY PARKER G 34 3-10 0-1 3-5 0 3 3 1 1 1 0 0 9
STEPHEN JACKSON G 26 0-6 0-3 0-0 0 4 4 3 3 1 4 0 0

http://www.nba.com/games/20030515/SASLAL/boxscore.html
Game 6


PLAYER POS MIN FGM-A 3GM-A FTM-A OFF DEF TOT AST PF ST TO BS PTS
TONY PARKER G 40 9-19 2-4 7-10 0 1 1 5 1 2 3 0 27
STEPHEN JACKSON G 33 2-4 0-0 0-0 1 3 4 1 0 1 0 0 4


Anything else you want to add, dickhead?

[whottt]

Blowouts don't matter regardless of how hard you try to pimp them. The bitch doesn't show up when the game is on the line.


Uh this game was never on the line at any time...

[whottt]

Blowouts don't matter regardless of how hard you try to pimp them. The bitch doesn't show up when the game is on the line.


Then I guess no one shows up in blowouts...they just spontaneously occur...

Conversely...the majority of players don't show up in losses...which is a major reason they are losses...

[whottt]

Man, if only Barry put in as much effort on the court as you do when trying to make him actually seem like a worthwhile member of the rotation...

He is what he is...he's not a scorer.

[SPARKY]

Post the stats for Game 6 @ Dallas and Game 6 v. New Jersey while you are at it.

In regards to blowouts your argument is lame. The fucker's stats come in garbage time, when the game has been decided. Anyone who's bothered to watch this series knows that.

You're right, he's not a scorer though he has the skills to be one. The sad thing is, he doesn't have the balls. He doesn't have the balls to shoot. He's nothing more than a garbage time showboat who is not worthy of playing on a championship caliber team.

I don't care how many essays you can write in here about why your crush on Brent Barry makes him not a bust and playoff vagina but unfortunately for you everyone else in this forum is attuned to reality and you are regarded as nothing more than the old ass grandpa who everyone humors but who everyone secretly wishes would go away.

[timvp]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/images/2004-2005/BKN0516_spurs3_barry_kmh.jpg


http://www.bioscience.org/atlases/fert/images/embryos/25week.jpg

[whottt]

Post the stats for Game 6 @ Dallas and Game 6 v. New Jersey while you are at it.

Sorry...both of those games were blowouts...blowouts are classified by the NBA as victories of more than 10 points.

According to TimVP all stats from blowouts don't count.

According to Marcus Bryant, anyone can score in a blowout.


In regards to blowouts your argument is lame. The fucker's stats come in garbage time, when the game has been decided. Anyone who's bothered to watch this series knows that.

You're right, he's not a scorer though he has the skills to be one. The sad thing is, he doesn't have the balls. He doesn't have the balls to shoot. He's nothing more than a garbage time showboat who is not worthy of playing on a championship caliber team.

Blah.


I don't care how many essays you can write in here about why your crush on Brent Barry makes him not a bust and playoff vagina but unfortunately for you everyone else in this forum is attuned to reality and you are regarded as nothing more than the old ass grandpa who everyone humors but who everyone secretly wishes would go away.

Whatever...you defended the Spurs letting Jack go...not me.


The funniest thing is that all the people whining about Barry now were the ones who wanted to start him in the first place...I guess some people just need something to whine about.

[Kori Ellis]

Whottt, some people advocated starting Barry because they thought he'd be able to step up in a starting role, getting more run with Duncan. It hasn't worked.

[Gerryatrics]

What a bunch of idiots. My mind is going numb reading this crap. Yeah, Barry sucked tonight, so did the entire freakin' team. It's beyond stupid to try to pin the loss on Brent alone.



It worked great.

The Spurs tied the freaking game. They didn't start getting blown out until Barry came in.

Did you watch the game?

True.

Yeah, the Sonics went on a run and were up nine when Pop pulled Barry, and like two minutes later the Sonics were up by twenty. What exactly are you defending here? Funny how when the Spurs play great and blowout a team, Barry's stats don't count because the Spurs blew them away. But when the Spurs play like shit and get blown out, it's all of a sudden all on Brent Barry. Funny how you tweaked the definition of the stats to defend your blind hate too, kind of like making up extra rules at Monopoly everytime you're on the wrong side of a roll so you don't get shown up. So subtle I almost didn't catch it. :rolleyes

[timvp]

So the people on Barry's side are Whottt and a Brent Barry Sonics fan?

Interesting.

[Gerryatrics]

I haven't exactly made a secret of the fact that a big part of me rooting for the Spurs this year is because of Barry. What's your point. You have Manu and TP fans starting collective circle-jerks everytime their player manages to avoid dribbling the ball of their feet and out-of-bounds or actually makes a shot in the second half. What's wrong with me defending my favourite player when the haters start pounding on him because he's the player on the team least associated with the Spurs so you can pretend it's all on him and not the Spurs organization?

All the spurs sucked tonight, Barry included. Why is he the only one taking heat for the loss?

[whottt]

...

And I said it wouldn't work to get more offense out of him.

I still want you guys to explain why Bowen is taking less than half as many shots as he took during the regular season.

He's making less than 1 shot per game...and in our first 3 games the only basket he scored in each game was from a Brent Barry pass.


Everyone player on the teams shots are down except for Horry's...Duncan Parker and Manu's are all up over the regular season.

Our big 3 are not handling the ball well...they started playing 1 on 1 against Denver and now it's either that they are addicted to it or Pop is asking for it...

As for Barry...he joined the crowed and starting jacking up shitty shots(the o foul and the crappy fadeaway) in the third quarter...I'd think that would make you guys happy...

[whottt]

So the people on Barry's side are Whottt and a Brent Barry Sonics fan?

Interesting.

And the people against him are Mavericks fans...what's your point?

[timvp]

And the people against him are Mavericks fans...what's your point?

98% of fans here are Maverick fans?

Interesting again.

[whottt]

98% of fans here are Maverick fans?

Interesting again.


No, just the most outspoken Barry haters..you, Marcus Bryant, IcemanCometh.

[Nikos]

The problem is Barry hasn't really made a difference yet in the playoffs. He is on the floor for like 2-3 minutes less than Ginobili and yet is producing about 1/3 of what he produces.

You can't have Barry on the floor that long if all he is going to do is "Not make many mistakes". He has to be productive out there. And even if the Big Three take most of the shots, than Pop doesn't need to have Barry out there. He might as well put in Devin Brown, because you know he will hustle and play his heart out. And you know he will produce something in limited minutes.

If Barry isn't going to get clean looks from three or knock them down when he does, than what is the team using him for?

[MadDog73]

Look, regardless of who is to "blame" for the Spurs loss (I think it's a team effort), it is pretty obvious that we overpaid for Brent.

And that is... surprise! The Spurs F.O.'s fault.

[Nikos]

G.Don't look at me...I picked Seattle to win this series.


Then why are you arguing anything?

[williemoonshine]

This guy (Barry) had 82 games to "learn" the system and get "comfortable". Why are we trying to nurse this guy's confidence in the playoffs? This is win or go home basketball, chalk up Barry as another lost cause because as far as I am concerned.. he is becoming a liability. He is missing open shots which is opposite of what he was brought in for, I rather see Devin or G-Rob given more opportunity to make a contribution than Barry, who was put in the starting five and just has not got the job done.

[2centsworth]

Ok Barry Sucked, but the guy played only 11mins out of 240 comibined player minutes. That's less than 5%. What was everyone else's excuse, Brent Barry?

BTW, Barry played very well in game 3 except for the last 5 mins of the game, but the rest of the team sucked too the last 5 mins.

If the spurs need barry to beat the sonics they are in trouble. Manu, Tim, Tony, Bruce and Nazr should be more than enough to beat the sonics. However, a good Brent Barry could make things a lot easier, but don't get your hopes up.

[Obstructed_View]

Look, regardless of who is to "blame" for the Spurs loss (I think it's a team effort), it is pretty obvious that we overpaid for Brent.

And that is... surprise! The Spurs F.O.'s fault.

Even at this point he's better than Hedo was, and the playoffs aren't over yet. A shooter can get hot at any time. All he has to do is soften up the interior defense if somebody can get him some open looks.

[Useruser666]

Barry looked terrible. I cringed more when he got the ball, than when Rasho gets a low bounce pass. It's just scary.

[2centsworth]

this is the same crap that happened last year, so how can we blame barry. I think we should blame the people who were here both last year and this year.


How bout tim missing the 4ft to win game 3? If that was Barry we still would be hearing about the miss. All the greats of the past had the ability to bail their teams out.

How about Tony going Baby Shaq in game 3.


Brent Barry is just following the leaders who have rings, but he doesn't realize this team needs leadership.

[boutons]

"A shooter can get hot at any time"

And even Glenn managed it once already. Barry broke 20 pts only once the entire season, and avg's under 8 PPG. Even a hustling klutz like Malik, 6th man, avg'd over 10 PPG in 02/03.

Brent will never get hot because he doesn't shoot.

[timvp]

Ok Barry Sucked, but the guy played only 11mins out of 240 comibined player minutes. That's less than 5%.

You do realize that he played 11 minutes in the first half, right? Thus the title of this thread.

[cherylsteele]

You peopple want to plaster Barry for poor play when the whole doogone team played like a YMCA pick-up game.

If we lose this series it goes on Tony.
How in the world does Luke Ridnour and AD score 20 and 19 respectively.

Tony needs to drive the paint more and score and dish.....he had more TO's than assists (4 TO's, 3 Ast.)....when he hits a few jumpers to start the game he gets happy feet and wants to shoot them all game long....hence 5-13 shooting.....he refused to drive and create havoc, draw fouls or dish off.

Barry was not good last night.....neither was Nazr, Manu ( to an extent), Bowen, Berno, Horry, etc.

Timmy was the only one in uniform last night.

[TwoHandJam]

You peopple want to plaster Barry for poor play when the whole doogone team played like a YMCA pick-up game.

If we lose this series it goes on Tony.
How in the world does Luke Ridnour and AD score 20 and 19 respectively.

Tony needs to drive the paint more and score and dish.....he had more TO's than assists (4 TO's, 3 Ast.)....when he hits a few jumpers to start the game he gets happy feet and wants to shoot them all game long....hence 5-13 shooting.....he refused to drive and create havoc, draw fouls or dish off.

Barry was not good last night.....neither was Nazr, Manu ( to an extent), Bowen, Berno, Horry, etc.

Timmy was the only one in uniform last night.Yup. That's pretty much how I saw it too. Tony is the pg and the tempo starts and ends with him. He got punked. Good. Barry is a small part of our team compared to the big 3 and Bruce. Much more of this loss hangs on their shoulders.

[wildbill2u]

how i wish we had sjax.

You wouldn't if you had watched his play in the playoffs. Here's his stats in the semifinals so far:

min FG fg% 3pt 3pt% ft rebounds a st. blk TO
4 38.3 21-61 .344 6-25 .240 11-13 .846 .50 3.50 4.00 .5 2.25 .00 3.25

fouls ppg.
3.50 14.8

In addition, the stats don't reveal what a black hole he is when the ball comes into his hands and is never seen again by his teammates. The Pacers players are ignoring him at times when he calls for the ball.

[gospursgojas]

You wouldn't if you had watched his play in the playoffs. Here's his stats in the semifinals so far:

min FG fg% 3pt 3pt% ft rebounds a st. blk TO
4 38.3 21-61 .344 6-25 .240 11-13 .846 .50 3.50 4.00 .5 2.25 .00 3.25

fouls ppg.
3.50 14.8

In addition, the stats don't reveal what a black hole he is when the ball comes into his hands and is never seen again by his teammates. The Pacers players are ignoring him at times when he calls for the ball.

Thats in the Pacer's offense.... he seemed to flourish in the Spurs system

[MadDog73]

Look, Jackson helped us win a title, no doubt. But he hurt us at times, too.

There is NO guarantee he could win games if Manu and Tony are playing bad. It's really stupid to try and guess "what ifs", because he's not here, and the fact he's not is mostly his fault anyway.

[wildbill2u]

Thats in the Pacer's offense.... he seemed to flourish in the Spurs system

.240 % on threes is because of the Pacer's offense? He's supposed to be a 3pt machine according to his cult. :rolleyes

[ca®lo]

id still rather have him on this team.

last 03 if ull watch it again. sjax was the one who stepped up and wanted the ball in clutch situations. he wanted to win. he wanted to shoot.

cant see any other spur right now whos like him.


You wouldn't if you had watched his play in the playoffs. Here's his stats in the semifinals so far:

min FG fg% 3pt 3pt% ft rebounds a st. blk TO
4 38.3 21-61 .344 6-25 .240 11-13 .846 .50 3.50 4.00 .5 2.25 .00 3.25

fouls ppg.
3.50 14.8

In addition, the stats don't reveal what a black hole he is when the ball comes into his hands and is never seen again by his teammates. The Pacers players are ignoring him at times when he calls for the ball.

[bigzak25]

i doubted barry before, and he proved me wrong.

i won't doubt again.

i don't like his play or his lack of sac either, but w/o barry's shooting, there will be no river parade.

TP is the key. kick and dish in full effect please.

[Que Gee]

You do realize that he played 11 minutes in the first half, right? Thus the title of this thread.

And you do realize your wrong right? He played in the second half.

Everyone in here is such a joke to pin a loss on him for 11 minutes. Again I say, no one on the team had more than 3 shots at half time except for Parker and Duncan...You guys are so busy blowing Parker that you fail to realize he is the problem..you bang on Barry all night long, hell he did play like shit, but that fact of the matter remains, Tony Parker will never help this team succeed unless he decides to make the players around him better. Period...End of story. Such a cop out to bash Barry for the losing. I've actually lost a lot of respect for TiMVP I thought you were a little more creative than that...And to tell you the truth Kori, if you really think Manu is starting is going to make the difference...your wrong. It doesn't matter when and where Manu plays or if Devin comes off the bench first. If they pass the ball tonight and Parker has over 8 assists...They will win. If you want to bash Barry for a bad game...I've got no problem there, but for you "fans" who never want to blame your problems on Manu, Parker etc, and keep copping out by blaming the Turkaglus, Barry's, et al...Catch a clue, and watch the "whole" game of basketball...It WON"T FUCKING matter whether Manu starts or Devin comes off the bench first. Its how they move the ball on offense and that starts with your point guard. Its no coincidence that when Duncan was out Barry played his best ball of the season. It was a pass oriented offense because there was nobobdy in the post to dump it down to. But again I phrase, Tony Parker will NEVER BE AN ALL STAR POINT GUARD until he decides to make the people around him better. Till then, just call him Stephon.

[Que Gee]

You peopple want to plaster Barry for poor play when the whole doogone team played like a YMCA pick-up game.

If we lose this series it goes on Tony.
How in the world does Luke Ridnour and AD score 20 and 19 respectively.

Tony needs to drive the paint more and score and dish.....he had more TO's than assists (4 TO's, 3 Ast.)....when he hits a few jumpers to start the game he gets happy feet and wants to shoot them all game long....hence 5-13 shooting.....he refused to drive and create havoc, draw fouls or dish off.

Barry was not good last night.....neither was Nazr, Manu ( to an extent), Bowen, Berno, Horry, etc.

Timmy was the only one in uniform last night.

This was the most respectable post in this thread.

[Que Gee]

TP is the key. kick and dish in full effect please.

Hey, hey, finally someone else who has a clue!!!!