The United States of Movies

[CubanSucks]

http://www.hollywood.com/feature/The_United_States_of_Movies/6963601

I think I'm okay with getting Dazed and Confused. California got the best

[monosylab1k]

:lmao @ oklahoma getting "Twister"

[CubanSucks]

Tennessee getting The Blind Side, just as embarrassing

[monosylab1k]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Films_set_in_Texas

tbh I'd take NCFOM, Bottle Rocket, or the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre over Dazed And Confused.

[balli]

Hell yeah SLC Punk. Hell of a good movie. Everybody should see it. Matt Lillard's only good work and Jason Segal's best. Sums up the Mormon vs. Not war in SLC better than anything else.

[SpursNextRomanEmpire]

hell yeah id take the original texas chainsaw massacre

[baseline bum]

Bottle Rocket's a really underrated movie.

[CubanSucks]

I'm not gonna lie and say I've seen Giant, but as far as prestige goes, that's probably the best. The Alamo is the most obvious IMO

[ChumpDumper]

Texas is tough because it's like four or five states in one.

Lone Star is a good choice for south Texas. Even has McConaughey in it.

[Mister Sinister]

Fuck yeah, FBDO.

[Nathan Explosion]

Texas is tough because it's like four or five states in one.

Lone Star is a good choice for south Texas. Even has McConaughey in it.

Urban Cowboy bitches. How can no one remember that one?

This girl I was dating was talking to me about it and the first thing I said was "Sissy's a bitch." She looked at me funny wondering where that came from, and I explained it to her (if you've seen the movie, you know why).

Anyway, a few days later we saw my older brother and I went up to him and asked him about Urban Cowboy. First words out of his mouth, "Sissy's a bitch." Completely unsolicited or even planned.

I looked at the girl and said, "See, I told you."

[spursncowboys]

ny should have die hard 3.

[ChumpDumper]

Urban Cowboy bitches. How can no one remember that one?Right. That's the Houston area movie.

[Spurminator]

Cloak and Dagger!

[CuckingFunt]

The fact that Maryland wasn't a John Waters flick should say everything about the overall credibility of the list.

[ChumpDumper]

The fact that Maryland wasn't a John Waters flick should say everything about the overall credibility of the list.America's capital is in Maryland?

[Spurminator]

The fact that Maryland wasn't a John Waters flick should say everything about the overall credibility of the list.

Probably, but it's still a fun feature. I'd like to see a list of five or ten from each state. Leprechaun for North Dakota? Surely there must have been a better choice...

[balli]

Probably, but it's still a fun feature. I'd like to see a list of five or ten from each state. Leprechaun for North Dakota? Surely there must have been a better choice...
Wait, wait, wait. Fargo was not the choice for ND? Seriously? WTF? Along with no John Waters, that also destroys the credibility of the rest of the list.

[ChumpDumper]

Wait, wait, wait. Fargo was not the choice for ND? Seriously?Fargo was only a meeting place where the plot was agreed upon. The rest of it takes place in Minnesota. A little inaccurate, perhaps -- but it's a better title than Brainerd.
WTF? Along with no John Waters, that also destroys the credibility of the rest of the list.Have to agree there.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Wait, wait, wait. Fargo was not the choice for ND? Seriously? WTF? Along with no John Waters, that also destroys the credibility of the rest of the list.

Fargo is in there for Minnesota

[The Gemini Method]

California had to be the most difficult. I don't mind the Pulp Fiction choice, but I think I could've gone with a number of other films that best suit the Golden State.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

by the way, Maine got the best one IMO

[IronMexican]

Pulp Fiction is a slightly above average movie.


NCFOM should be in the Texas slot.

[IronMexican]

PA got the best.

[Spurminator]

John Waters is ridiculously overrated.

[midnightpulp]

Probably, but it's still a fun feature. I'd like to see a list of five or ten from each state. Leprechaun for North Dakota? Surely there must have been a better choice...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0069762/

[IronMexican]

It's better than that, but there still should be at least 10 other California movies better than that.

Probably right on both accounts.

[midnightpulp]

It's better than that, but there still should be at least 10 other California movies better than that.

I agree. Pulp Fiction is much better than a "slightly above average movie" as IM says, but I think it's too surreal to really have a singular identity associated with a particular state or city. Los Angeles, or California for that matter, doesn't transcend its role as a location and become a character, like say in Manhattan or Taxi Driver.

Best California movie is:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071315/

[midnightpulp]

Bad Santa is a funny flick, but it shouldn't be Wisconsin defining film. In my opinion, there's no other choice but:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0181288/

[midnightpulp]

I agree. Pulp Fiction is much better than a "slightly above average movie" as IM says, but I think it's too surreal to really have a singular identity associated with a particular state or city. Los Angeles, or California for that matter, doesn't transcend its role as a location and become a character, like say in Manhattan or Taxi Driver.

Best California movie is:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071315/

And for Northern Cali, this is my pick:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062765/

[ChumpDumper]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0069762/Badlands is set in South Dakota.


I agree. Pulp Fiction is much better than a "slightly above average movie" as IM says, but I think it's too surreal to really have a singular identity associated with a particular state or city. Los Angeles, or California for that matter, doesn't transcend its role as a location and become a character, like say in Manhattan or Taxi Driver.

Best California movie is:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071315/The regional argument can be made for California as well.

I'd consider American Graffiti for its cultural impact.

[midnightpulp]

Badlands is set in South Dakota.

The regional argument can be made for California as well.

I'd consider American Graffiti for its cultural impact.

Heh, went off memory for Badlands. Anyhow, that movie's good enough to cover both Dakotas.

American Graffiti is definitely in my top 5 California films.

[ChumpDumper]

Not representative of North Dakota per se, but it's definitely better than Leprechaun.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0486358/

I don't know if documentaries count though.

[Spurminator]

I'd just slide Fargo over to North Dakota and give Minnesota A Simple Plan or something like that. A little more to choose from in MN.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Films_set_in_Minnesota
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Films_set_in_North_Dakota

[PakiDan]

The fact that Maryland wasn't a John Waters flick should say everything about the overall credibility of the list.

GLARING OVERSIGHT.... way to call that one CF. Ive been having a John Waters discussion all day long with my business partner. Gonna go home and re-watch A Dirty Shame.

[CubanSucks]

It's better than that, but there still should be at least 10 other California movies better than that.

Like? Shit, there's not even 10 other movies period that are better than Pulp Fiction. And I don't wanna hear any arguments, it's just a fact

[IronMexican]

Tarantino can put anything out there and get that praise.

[midnightpulp]

Like? Shit, there's not even 10 other movies period that are better than Pulp Fiction. And I don't wanna hear any arguments, it's just a fact

I think he meant 10 movies that better specifically define California.

The LA atmosphere is effective in Pulp, but I wouldn't necessarily consider it the film's most memorable characteristic, as opposed to a film like Manhattan where the city is just as important as any one character.

And yeah, you can make an argument that there's 10 better overall movies than Pulp Fiction. I won't get into it with you, cause you're obviously a die hard fan of the film who can't be convinced otherwise, but there's many films that are just as good and better than Pulp.

[redzero]

Pulp Fiction is a slightly above average movie.

Pulp Fiction is the movie of the 90's, not a slightly above average movie.

[monosylab1k]

Tarantino can put anything out there and get that praise.

He's the Radiohead of Hollywood.

[monosylab1k]

The LA atmosphere is effective in Pulp, but I wouldn't necessarily consider it the film's most memorable characteristic, as opposed to a film like Manhattan where the city is just as important as any one character.

:tu

Pulp Fiction could just as easily have been set in Miami or Chicago or any major city and you woudn't have noticed any difference other than maybe a few shots of palm trees in the background.

And calling it the movie of the 90's is severely overrating it.

[monosylab1k]

Like? Shit, there's not even 10 other movies period that are better than Pulp Fiction. And I don't wanna hear any arguments, it's just a fact

I can probably name 50.

[IronMexican]

http://features.metacritic.com/features/2009/best-music-of-the-decade/

Barely top 25, brah.

[monosylab1k]

http://features.metacritic.com/features/2009/best-music-of-the-decade/

Barely top 25, brah.

alot of reviews on metacritic are shit like Entertainment Weekly that won't "get" Radiohead.

In the indie hipster douche circuit, Radiohead could release an hour of Thom Yorke making fart noises (fake and real) and it would be hailed a transcendent work of genius.

I'm a Radiohead fan, brah, but you know this is the truth. We know this.

[redzero]

He's the Radiohead of Hollywood.

Yeah, they're great at what they do.

[monosylab1k]

Yeah, they're great at what they do.

Radiohead, yes.

Tarantino, replace "great" with "pretty good".

[Giuseppe]

I'd just slide Fargo over to North Dakota and give Minnesota A Simple Plan or something like that. A little more to choose from in MN.

Ugh, burnin' that money in A Simple Plan. I've thought about that part many times. I'd a kept it, sat on it for ten years, then farmed it out slowly.

[IronMexican]

Radiohead, yes.

Tarantino, replace "great" with "Hit or miss, but mostly miss lately".

FIFY


And me and redzero went through a mini-discussion over this in the Katy Perry thread.

[monosylab1k]

Boogie Nights deserves consideration for California.

[MiamiHeat]

Miami got the best one, duh

SCARFACE

[monosylab1k]

Miami got the best one, duh

SCARFACE

Scarface licks balls.

[redzero]

Scarface licks balls.

Truer words have never been spoken. When I first saw Scarface, I thought it was going to be an epic crime film like Goodfellas, but it doesn't even compare.

People only care about Scarface because of Tony Montana, not the actual movie.

[IronMexican]

I have a confession to make, guys.


I've never watched Godfather(Any of them).

[The Gemini Method]

I have a confession to make, guys.


I've never watched Godfather(Any of them).

Really? The first two were great, but the third one was horribly done.

[IronMexican]

Yeah.

I'm not much of a movie person(I'd rather sit down and listen to 2 or 3 albums). And when I saw that the first one was like 3 hours, I decided not to watch it.

[The Gemini Method]

Yeah.

I'm not much of a movie person(I'd rather sit down and listen to 2 or 3 albums). And when I saw that the first one was like 3 hours, I decided not to watch it.

Yeah, I get you on the lengthy movies, but if you can't sit through the whole 3 hours--watch it in parts. Like an hour at a time.

[IronMexican]

I'd have to watch it in 1 sitting to understand it.


I have watched Schindler's list and Goodfellas, even though they were well over 2 hours.

[MiamiHeat]

I have a confession to make, guys.


I've never watched Godfather(Any of them).

wow, what?

go fix that please.

[MiamiHeat]

Scarface licks balls.

this comment about licking balls makes sense coming from you

you who think Boogie Nights is a better movie than Pulp Fiction

Scarface is a man's movie. The whole thing is over the top, amazing, brutally honest view on human behavior and ambition gone wrong. One of Pacino's best performances. amazing film

it's a bigger classic than most of the movies up there.

Gone With The Wind is probably the best though, in all seriousness.

[CuckingFunt]

John Waters is ridiculously overrated.

Matter of personal opinion, of course (Waters is one of my favorite directors, but also one of those where I kind of get it when people don't like him), but it wouldn't change the fact that he is at this point almost synonymous with Baltimore and the state of Maryland. He's been making films for over 40 years and every single one is set and shot completely within Baltimore.

[Zelophehad]

Lone Star with Chris Cooper was the best Texas movie I've seen. It was really Texas centric as well, Dazed and Confused could have been set in any number of other states.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1074022-lone_star/

[CuckingFunt]

Texas and California are just too damn big for something like this. And too regionally diverse/specific.

Were I to make my choice based on their apparent parameters, in which "most representative of California" becomes "most representative of Los Angeles," however, I don't know that I'd go with Pulp Fiction. I don't think that Pulp Fiction would have been the same film were it set anywhere else, for the record. Its setting is integral to its feel. But it would be hard to leave it at the top of the list when there are films like LA Confidential, The Player, Barton Fink, Boogie Nights, and even Menace II Society, in which the city itself plays such a huge role.

[monosylab1k]

this comment about licking balls makes sense coming from you

you who think Boogie Nights is a better movie than Pulp Fiction

Scarface is a man's movie. The whole thing is over the top, amazing, brutally honest view on human behavior and ambition gone wrong. One of Pacino's best performances. amazing film

it's a bigger classic than most of the movies up there.

Gone With The Wind is probably the best though, in all seriousness.

Scarface was a study in how to go so over-the-top with a movie that it's retarded.

And Pacino was horrible in Scarface. Ridiculously over the top. That's right on par with some of his worst performances where all he does is rant and rave and "act" instead of actually getting into character.

Pacino's been in at least 10 films where his performance was better than Scarface.

[Zelophehad]

Texas and California are just too damn big for something like this. And too regionally diverse/specific.

Were I to make my choice based on their apparent parameters, in which "most representative of California" becomes "most representative of Los Angeles," however, I don't know that I'd go with Pulp Fiction. I don't think that Pulp Fiction would have been the same film were it set anywhere else, for the record. Its setting is integral to its feel. But it would be hard to leave it at the top of the list when there are films like LA Confidential, The Player, Barton Fink, Boogie Nights, and even Menace II Society, in which the city itself plays such a huge role.

Barton Fink was great but no one's seen that tbh.

[Zelophehad]

Scarface was a study in how to go so over-the-top with a movie that it's retarded.

And Pacino was horrible in Scarface. Ridiculously over the top. That's right on par with some of his worst performances where all he does is rant and rave and "act" instead of actually getting into character.

Pacino's been in at least 10 films where his performance was better than Scarface.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion just realize you're in a fairly extreme minority.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1018324-scarface/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086250/

Also, Pacino was going for an over the top performance. He's said that from the very beginning. That was the whole point tbh.

[monosylab1k]

People only care about Scarface because of Tony Montana, not the actual movie.

tbh people only care about it because it got trendy for rappers to knobslob it on MTV Cribs. Once every dumbass out there saw that Ja Rule/Xzibit/Juvenile/Master P/etc had a Scarface poster in their house, somehow the idea spread that Scarface was the greatest gangster movie ever.

[monosylab1k]

The only good thing from Scarface:

BhsTmiK7Q2M

[IronMexican]

That montage was great.

Song also reminds me a lot of Vice City.

[CuckingFunt]

Al Pacino has been good in exactly five films. Five. And none of them are Scarface.

So fucking overrated it's not even funny.

[Spurminator]

Yeah Scarface qualifies as guilty pleasure good... It's like the Evil Dead 2 of gangster movies.

[monosylab1k]

Everyone's entitled to an opinion just realize you're in a fairly extreme minority.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1018324-scarface/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086250/

Also, Pacino was going for an over the top performance. He's said that from the very beginning. That was the whole point tbh.

almost all of those reviews on Rotten Tomatoes were done recently, after revisionist history told everyone that Pacino was great and this movie was a gangster classic.

when Scarface originally came out, the reviews were not nearly as flattering.

http://www.reelviews.net/php_review_template.php?identifier=1566


Upon its initial release, Scarface was savaged by many critics and suffered from tepid box office performance.

[CuckingFunt]

somehow the idea spread that Scarface was the greatest gangster movie ever.

The greatest gangster movie ever was made in 1931.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

The greatest gangster movie ever was made in 1931.

What's that? Public Enemy?

[CuckingFunt]

What's that? Public Enemy?

Yep.

[Zelophehad]

almost all of those reviews on Rotten Tomatoes were done recently, after revisionist history told everyone that Pacino was great and this movie was a gangster classic.

when Scarface originally came out, the reviews were not nearly as flattering.

http://www.reelviews.net/php_review_template.php?identifier=1566

So only reviews from the early eighties count? That's pretty convenient for your argument. Ebert gave that four stars when it came out plus most reviews from back then gave the violence and so called depravity negative marks.

Pluss tons of classics were panned way, way worse than Scarface was when it came out.

Look you can criticize that movie for many things but to criticize for it having an over the top performance by Pacino totally and completely misses the mark. Everything about that movie was overdone in the best sense of the word, it was typically over-stylized like pretty much every De Palma movie, had like 3 montages, and climaxed with a guy having like a mountain of coke on his desk that he sticks his whole face into then snorts before getting shot 20 times while killing like 50 gangsters.

Tbh another movie like that is Coppola's version of Dracula. It doesn't really come together as anything more than collection of scenes but the style is crazy awesome and over the top.

[MiamiHeat]

That montage was great.

Song also reminds me a lot of Vice City.

ironic since Vice City is a scarface game basically

amazing game, rumor has it that the next GTA will be miami again

[Zelophehad]

What's that? Public Enemy?

Grapefruit scene own hard tbh. Mostly because its so unexpected.

[MiamiHeat]

for the record

Tony Montana was SUPPOSED to be an arrogant, macho, overly-confident son of a bitch. Ever heard of latino passion?

The way Pacino played him was PERFECT.

[IronMexican]

It's not basically Scarface. It took bits and pieces from all kinds of 80's shows and and movies.


Lance Vance clearly looks like the black guy from Miami Vice. And the last mission isn't like the final scene in Scarface.

[MiamiHeat]

Al Pacino has been good in exactly five films. Five. And none of them are Scarface.

So fucking overrated it's not even funny.

bullshit, i can name more than 5 right now, and I'll avoid naming Scarface

The Godfather
The Godfather pt 2
Glengarry Glen Ross
Scent of a Woman
Dog Day Afternoon
The Devil's Advocate
Donnie Brasco

[Zelophehad]

tbh people only care about it because it got trendy for rappers to knobslob it on MTV Cribs. Once every dumbass out there saw that Ja Rule/Xzibit/Juvenile/Master P/etc had a Scarface poster in their house, somehow the idea spread that Scarface was the greatest gangster movie ever.

This is utter bullshit btw. Scarface made it huge on cable in the late eighties and early nineties. Plus on VHS.

[CuckingFunt]

Look you can criticize that movie for many things but to criticize for it having an over the top performance by Pacino totally and completely misses the mark.

That argument may have merit if the vast majority of Pacino's other performances weren't also comically over-the-top.

[MiamiHeat]

The greatest gangster movie ever was made in 1931.

Casino
Goodfellas

both are better.

[Zelophehad]

bullshit, i can name more than 5 right now, and I'll avoid naming Scarface

The Godfather
The Godfather pt 2
Glengarry Glen Ross
Scent of a Woman
Dog Day Afternoon
The Devil's Advocate
Donnie Brasco

Carlito's Way
Heat
Serpico
Dog Day Afternoon
Scarecrow
And Justice for All
etc etc

[MiamiHeat]

This is utter bullshit btw. Scarface made it huge on cable in the late eighties and early nineties. Plus on VHS.

100% truth

I remember watching Scarface as a little kid with my cousins and friends in like 1991.

it was a huge cult classic, it was ahead of it's time.

[CuckingFunt]

bullshit, i can name more than 5 right now, and I'll avoid naming Scarface

The Godfather
The Godfather pt 2
Glengarry Glen Ross
Scent of a Woman
Dog Day Afternoon
The Devil's Advocate
Donnie Brasco

You only named four good performances there.

[MiamiHeat]

Carlito's Way
Heat
Serpico
Dog Day Afternoon
Scarecrow
And Justice for All
etc etc

I said Dog Day Afternoon up there

but I didn't like HEAT.....

his scene with DeNiro was shit, imo.

Pacino : "I'm a cop, and Im going to hunt you down no matter where you are"

DeNiro: "Im a crook, and Im going to get away and you better be scared of me hurr durr"

Pacino : "on the flip side, I am Al Pacino"

DeNiro : "but on the other flip side, I'm deniro"

fucking stupid.

the movie overall was OK though, classic shootout scene, but eh. dialogue needed improvement.

[Zelophehad]

That argument may have merit if the vast majority of Pacino's other performances weren't also comically over-the-top.

WTF? Pacino and De Palma have said repeatedly the whole point of that movie was to be over the top, it ends with a gunfight where he gets shot like 50 times and kills dozens of guys after burying his face in like gigantic, enormous pile of cocaine.

Regardless of how he acted in other movies, he had a legit reason to be over the top in that movie. Again, it was the whole point.

[Zelophehad]

You only named four good performances there.
The internet's great people just sate their opinion's fact in the face of overwhelming evidence and act like it means something. What imaginary consensus are you referring to?

Oh, did we forget The Insider?

[CuckingFunt]

Casino
Goodfellas

both are better.

Two of my favorite films, by one of my favorite directors, but both were made within an already well established mafia genre. But Public Enemy was brutal for the time it was made, completely original, and Cagney was amazing.

[MiamiHeat]

You only named four good performances there.

I am going to guess you didn't like Devil's Advocate

Pacino is hands down, among the best Satan's ever put to film.

UgupfG3HLCU

he played him perfectly.

[Zelophehad]

I said Dog Day Afternoon up there

but I didn't like HEAT.....

his scene with DeNiro was shit, imo.

Pacino : "I'm a cop, and Im going to hunt you down no matter where you are"

DeNiro: "Im a crook, and Im going to get away and you better be scared of me hurr durr"

Pacino : "on the flip side, I am Al Pacino"

DeNiro : "but on the other flip side, I'm deniro"

fucking stupid.

the movie overall was OK though, classic shootout scene, but eh. dialogue needed improvement.

Honestly, what kind of conversation did you expect a career criminal and a career police officer to have? Seemed fairly realistic imo. Of course it is one of my favorite movies.

Glengarry Glen Ross dominates though this much is true. I love the fuck out of that movie.

[Zelophehad]

It's not basically Scarface. It took bits and pieces from all kinds of 80's shows and and movies.


Lance Vance clearly looks like the black guy from Miami Vice. And the last mission isn't like the final scene in Scarface.

The Sopranos is a top five TV show of all time by acclimaation and my own personal opinion, and it ripped off a shitload from The Godfather and Goodfellas. Tarantino has admitted to "borrowing" tons of shit from his favorite movies but he's still easily one of the best directors in the last 20 years. What's your point?

[MiamiHeat]

Honestly, what kind of conversation did you expect a career criminal and a career police officer to have? Seemed fairly realistic imo. Of course it is one of my favorite movies.

it felt too self-concious of the actors playing the roles. the "moment" of Pacino vs Deniro....

it felt out of place, and very cheesy. imo.

[CuckingFunt]

The internet's great people just sate their opinion's fact in the face of overwhelming evidence and act like it means something. What imaginary consensus are you referring to?

Oh, did we forget The Insider?

No, Insomnia.

It, Donnie Brasco, Dog Day Afternoon, The Godfather, and The Godfather Part 2 are the only films in which Pacino gives any indication he's even capable of subtlety.

[CuckingFunt]

I am going to guess you didn't like Devil's Advocate

Pacino is hands down, among the best Satan's ever put to film.

UgupfG3HLCU

he played him perfectly.

I think it's a hilarious performance. And a hilarious film.

Not good, by any means, but endlessly entertaining.

[IronMexican]

The Sopranos is a top five TV show of all time by acclimaation and my own personal opinion, and it ripped off a shitload from The Godfather and Goodfellas. Tarantino has admitted to "borrowing" tons of shit from his favorite movies but he's still easily one of the best directors in the last 20 years. What's your point?

Never said anything was wrong with taking bits and pieces. I'm just saying that it's not basically Scarface. It's absolutely fucking not. It has bits from everything. Like GTA SA did.

[Zelophehad]

No, Insomnia.

It, Donnie Brasco, Dog Day Afternoon, The Godfather, and The Godfather Part 2 are the only films in which Pacino gives any indication he's even capable of subtlety.
What imaginary consensus are your referring to?

[redzero]

Heat, Dog Day Afternoon, Godfather 1 & 2, and uh... I'll get back to you on that.

EDIT: Serpico, too.

[MiamiHeat]

No, Insomnia.

It, Donnie Brasco, Dog Day Afternoon, The Godfather, and The Godfather Part 2 are the only films in which Pacino gives any indication he's even capable of subtlety.

so basically, you have a personal preference of a type of character, or acting, in this case "subtlety"

and you dog on Pacino for this

:lol:lol

[CuckingFunt]

What imaginary consensus are your referring to?

Where did I indicate that my statement was based on anything other than my own opinion?

[CuckingFunt]

so basically, you have a personal preference of a type of character, or acting, in this case "subtlety"

and you dog on Pacino for this

:lol:lol

I said Al Pacino was overrated. Remarkably so. And I'd say the same about any other actor who gets heaps of critical praise for repeatedly giving the same performance over the course of four decades.

[Zelophehad]

Never said anything was wrong with taking bits and pieces. I'm just saying that it's not basically Scarface. It's absolutely fucking not. It has bits from everything. Like GTA SA did.

The Sopranos takes an absolute shitload from both of those movies I stated. Way more than Scarface borrows from anything.

[MiamiHeat]

I said Al Pacino was overrated. Remarkably so. And I'd say the same about any other actor who gets heaps of critical praise for repeatedly giving the same performance over the course of four decades.

do you think Tim Duncan is overrated too?

for garnering praise and collecting championships while doing the same, some say "boring", fundamentally sound basketball without changing ?

[Zelophehad]

Regardless of anything else in this thread, Glengarry Glen Ross fucking kills. About this fact there is very little doubt.

http://members.rottentomatoes.com/m/glengarry_glen_ross/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104348/

[Nathan Explosion]

The Sopranos takes an absolute shitload from both of those movies I stated. Way more than Scarface borrows from anything.

He was talking about Vice City.


do you think Tim Duncan is overrated too?

for garnering praise and collecting championships while doing the same, some say "boring", fundamentally sound basketball without changing ?

In sports, consistency is a good thing, especially when it's winning titles. As an actor, playing the same role consistently shows a lack of range. A good actor wants to show range. Think Tom Hanks before and after Forrest Gump.

And no I'm not saying Hanks is better, it was just the first thing to come to mind, a guy who did comedies for the early part of his career turning to dramas and winning Oscars because of it. Hell, the guy was THIS close to winning 3 Oscars in a row with 3 movies in a row (Philadelphia, Forrest Gump, and Apollo 13).

I've never had a desire to see Scarface btw. Doesn't appeal to me. Goodfellas was DAMN good though.

And for the person who said Gone With the Wind was probably the greatest, the AFI voted Citizen Kane as the greatest. And that was a GREAT movie. The cinematography was outstanding for its time. As a photographer, many of the scenes could have been made into stills and sold as posters, they were so beautifully shot.

[CuckingFunt]

do you think Tim Duncan is overrated too?

for garnering praise and collecting championships while doing the same, some say "boring", fundamentally sound basketball without changing ?

That's a horrible analogy.

[silverblk mystix]

Scarface sucked balls...

I don't fuckin' know why in the world people liked this garbage...

The lead actor is a NON-latino and speaks with an overdone fuckin' horrible quasi-cuban fake accent which annoyed me to no end...

his fuckin sidekick walks around (also a NON-latino) with a WORSE fuckin accent saying shit like---hey mang---

I could go on---but you get the point

[Veterinarian]

I never got the Citizen Kane hype. I understand it's a wet dream for a cinematography fan from the standpoint of introducing groundbreaking techniques and all. But its pretty much a snoozer for me tbh. I mean the life of a newspaper editor? zzzzzzzzzzzz. I know its about more than that, its about the symbolism of the sled and a yearning for childhood and all that shit but that still doesn't make me find it more interesting or insightful. Yeah, people can get caught up in the pursuit of money/status/power so what? Of course every time I say that on the internet a bunch of film snobs/nerds always call me names and insults my intelligence. The fact that their comebacks are always name calling and condescension is pretty funny since they're supposedly coming from a superior intellectual place.

[Veterinarian]

Scarface was great btw. That movie has like 9-10 awesome scenes and countless quotable lines. Also it got popular way before the rap/ hip hop movement annoyingly tried to adopt it. It was one of the first movies to really benefit from Home media (VHS, Laserdisc etc).

[monosylab1k]

Scarface still blows.

and Pacino was actually really good in You Don't Know Jack.

[monosylab1k]

Look you can criticize that movie for many things but to criticize for it having an over the top performance by Pacino totally and completely misses the mark.

There's good over the top and there's horrible over the top.

Good:

Brad Pitt in 12 Monkeys
Joe Pesci in Goodfellas
Daniel Day Lewis in Gangs Of New York
Jack Nicholson in The Shining

Bad:

Al Pacino in Scarface
Al Pacino in Scent Of A Woman
Al Pacino in The Devil's Advocate
Al Pacino in Any Given Sunday
Al Pacino in The Recruit
Robert DeNiro in Cape Fear
Jack Nicholson in The Departed

[IronMexican]

Jack Nicholson's over the top in the Departed reminded me a lot of Frank Reynolds. Though Frank is good over the top.

[CuckingFunt]

I never got the Citizen Kane hype. I understand it's a wet dream for a cinematography fan from the standpoint of introducing groundbreaking techniques and all. But its pretty much a snoozer for me tbh. I mean the life of a newspaper editor? zzzzzzzzzzzz. I know its about more than that, its about the symbolism of the sled and a yearning for childhood and all that shit but that still doesn't make me find it more interesting or insightful. Yeah, people can get caught up in the pursuit of money/status/power so what? Of course every time I say that on the internet a bunch of film snobs/nerds always call me names and insults my intelligence. The fact that their comebacks are always name calling and condescension is pretty funny since they're supposedly coming from a superior intellectual place.

I always think that Citizen Kane is a good example of the difference between "best" films and "favorite" films. It is, I think, an absolutely brilliant film in terms of direction, acting, etc. And every time I watch it, I'm reminded of how good it is. That being said, it's not a particularly easy film to watch when you're looking for an evening of casual entertainment. I own it, and I'm glad I do, but I'm far more likely to grab Death Race (or one of several other mindless explosion fests) off the shelf if I'm just looking for a DVD to watch.

Scarface is actually a pretty good example of that difference, as well. I'd never fault anyone for enjoying that film, or Pacino's performance in it, but it's not a particularly well made or well acted film. In that case, I think "favorite" would be far more accurate than "best."

[CuckingFunt]

There's good over the top and there's horrible over the top.

Good:

Brad Pitt in 12 Monkeys
Joe Pesci in Goodfellas
Daniel Day Lewis in Gangs Of New York
Jack Nicholson in The Shining

Bad:

Al Pacino in Scarface
Al Pacino in Scent Of A Woman
Al Pacino in The Devil's Advocate
Al Pacino in Any Given Sunday
Al Pacino in The Recruit
Robert DeNiro in Cape Fear
Jack Nicholson in The Departed

This.

And Daniel Day Lewis could get several more entries in both columns.

[MiamiHeat]

Scent of a Woman was an Oscar performance.

you two are in the vast minority

just admit you have a PERSONAL distate for it, instead of claiming the man is overrated :)

[Whisky Dog]

You movie snobs are so fucking annoying. Burn in hell for trying to tell me what's good and what isn't. Fuck you all.

[MiamiHeat]

I always think that Citizen Kane is a good example of the difference between "best" films and "favorite" films. It is, I think, an absolutely brilliant film in terms of direction, acting, etc. And every time I watch it, I'm reminded of how good it is. That being said, it's not a particularly easy film to watch when you're looking for an evening of casual entertainment. I own it, and I'm glad I do, but I'm far more likely to grab Death Race (or one of several other mindless explosion fests) off the shelf if I'm just looking for a DVD to watch.

Scarface is actually a pretty good example of that difference, as well. I'd never fault anyone for enjoying that film, or Pacino's performance in it, but it's not a particularly well made or well acted film. In that case, I think "favorite" would be far more accurate than "best."

Citizen Kane sucked. One of the most uninteresting, boring movies I have ever seen.


For that matter, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest also sucks.

[MiamiHeat]

I never got the Citizen Kane hype. I understand it's a wet dream for a cinematography fan from the standpoint of introducing groundbreaking techniques and all. But its pretty much a snoozer for me tbh. I mean the life of a newspaper editor? zzzzzzzzzzzz. I know its about more than that, its about the symbolism of the sled and a yearning for childhood and all that shit but that still doesn't make me find it more interesting or insightful. Yeah, people can get caught up in the pursuit of money/status/power so what? Of course every time I say that on the internet a bunch of film snobs/nerds always call me names and insults my intelligence. The fact that their comebacks are always name calling and condescension is pretty funny since they're supposedly coming from a superior intellectual place.


This.

[monosylab1k]

You movie snobs are so fucking annoying. Burn in hell for trying to tell me what's good and what isn't. Fuck you all.

It's not our fault you like shitty movies.

[monosylab1k]

Scent of a Woman was an Oscar performance.

The Oscars have rewarded alot of terrible performances.

[MiamiHeat]

his fuckin sidekick walks around (also a NON-latino) with a WORSE fuckin accent saying shit like---hey mang---

I could go on---but you get the point

Steve Bauer (Manny, the "sidekick")

was born in Havana, Cuba.

good job, dipshit

[CuckingFunt]

Scent of a Woman was an Oscar performance.

you two are in the vast minority

just admit you have a PERSONAL distate for it, instead of claiming the man is overrated :)

Methinks you don't know the meaning of the word "overrated."


You movie snobs are so fucking annoying. Burn in hell for trying to tell me what's good and what isn't. Fuck you all.

It's pretty insecure to think that someone else's personal opinion is meant as an insult to your own.

[MiamiHeat]

The Oscars have rewarded alot of terrible performances.

You're in the vast minority, just take comfort in the fact that you personally hate it, but the rest of us think he's among the greatest actors who ever lived :king

[MiamiHeat]

It's pretty insecure to think that someone else's personal opinion is meant as an insult to your own.

That's hilarious.

You have spent the whole thread trashing films and actors like Al Pacino and many of his movies

but then say

"You are insecure if you think my opinion is an insult to your tastes!"

[monosylab1k]

You're in the vast minority, just take comfort in the fact that you personally hate it, but the rest of us think he's among the greatest actors who ever lived :king

The majority also thinks Justin Bieber is totally awesome. So being in the minority suits me just fine.

[JoeChalupa]

[b]Matter of personal opinion, of course[/b[ (Waters is one of my favorite directors, but also one of those where I kind of get it when people don't like him), but it wouldn't change the fact that he is at this point almost synonymous with Baltimore and the state of Maryland. He's been making films for over 40 years and every single one is set and shot completely within Baltimore.

Exactly! As are any thoughts on a film or book or art. Just because one is in the minority doesn't make their opinion wrong or invalid. ALL are based on one's personal opinion and just because one like one director doesn't mean everyone else has to.
As you can see some like Scarface and some think it totally sucks. I think it a great movie. Some like the Godfather others done't. Doesn't make one right and wrong, IMHO.

[MiamiHeat]

The majority also thinks Justin Bieber is totally awesome. So being in the minority suits me just fine.

or,

you are part of the minority who also thinks Adolf Hitler was a great man worthy of celebration.

So being in the majority suits me just fine.


Let's hope you realize the mistake of your logic.

[monosylab1k]

or,

you are part of the minority who also thinks Adolf Hitler was a great man worthy of celebration.

So being in the majority suits me just fine.

Actually in Germany, that was the majority.

So being in the minority suits me just fine.

[JoeChalupa]

It's pretty insecure to think that someone else's personal opinion is meant as an insult to your own.

It depends on how that opinion is expressed. At least it does to me. If one calls me a moron for liking a movie I do take that as an insult.

[MiamiHeat]

Exactly! As are any thoughts on a film or book or art. Just because one is in the minority doesn't make their opinion wrong or invalid. ALL are based on one's personal opinion and just because one like one director doesn't mean everyone else has to.
As you can see some like Scarface and some think it totally sucks. I think it a great movie. Some like the Godfather others done't. Doesn't make one right and wrong, IMHO.

http://galacticsupermarket.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/captainobvious.jpg

[CuckingFunt]

Exactly! As are any thoughts on a film or book or art. Just because one is in the minority doesn't make their opinion wrong or invalid. ALL are based on one's personal opinion and just because one like one director doesn't mean everyone else has to.
As you can see some like Scarface and some think it totally sucks. I think it a great movie. Some like the Godfather others done't. Doesn't make one right and wrong, IMHO.

There's a difference between arguing enjoyability and arguing quality, though.

[JoeChalupa]

http://galacticsupermarket.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/captainobvious.jpg

Well no shit sherlock but some think one's opinions is the right one and that is simply not the case is the point I was trying to make.
Now go say 5 Our Fathers.

[MiamiHeat]

Actually in Germany, that was the majority.

So being in the minority suits me just fine.

Except the majority of the rest of the world outside Germany thought he should be thrown out of power.

So, being in the majority suits me just fine.

Again, you know your logic is ridiculous and flawed, but the question is are you man enough to admit it and provide a better one?

[JoeChalupa]

There's a difference between arguing enjoyability and arguing quality, though.

But even quality in art is subject to opinion. What you may consider cinematic quality I may find see as cinematic crap.

[monosylab1k]

Again, you know your logic is ridiculous and flawed, but the question is are you man enough to admit it and provide a better one?

Are you talking about me or your analogy that Al Pacino and Tim Duncan are comparable?

[MiamiHeat]

But even quality in art is subject to opinion. What you may consider cinematic quality I may find see as cinematic crap.

Yes, Captain Obvious. We know that.

That's why humans, a long time ago, decided to just vote on things and go with the majority consensus. This included art and all it's forms.

We take these majority opinions as more valid than just the 1 guy yelling on a street.

[JoeChalupa]

Yes, Captain Obvious. We know that.

That's why humans, a long time ago, decided to just vote on things and go with the majority consensus. This included art and all it's forms.

We take these majority opinions as more valid than just the 1 guy yelling on a street.

And the majority isn't always right as history has proved. But I don't want to hijack this thread. And correct me if I am wrong but I have never seen a piece of art in any elections I have ever voted in.

[monosylab1k]

That's why humans, a long time ago, decided to just vote on things and go with the majority consensus. This included art and all it's forms.

And that's why Home Alone is a transcendent work of genius.

[monosylab1k]

The majority loves Twilight, I better start watching that crap too.

[monosylab1k]

And the majority isn't always right as history has proved.

They were right about Hitler, that's all that matters!

[MiamiHeat]

Are you talking about me or your analogy that Al Pacino and Tim Duncan are comparable?

Your defense of being in the minority.

You used a Justin Beiber argument, as if somehow disqualifying majority opinions for all of time just because the majority likes something shitty in this instance. (imo)

That can go both ways, and it's incredibly flawed logic. It makes no point.

You are in the vast minority, just accept it, and just say that you personally don't like it.

[monosylab1k]

Kobe is the most popular player in the world, MiamiHeat, why don't you love him too? Go with the majority!

[JoeChalupa]

The majority loves Twilight, I better start watching that crap too.

Been there..done that... :(

[MiamiHeat]

And the majority isn't always right as history has proved. But I don't want to hijack this thread. And correct me if I am wrong but I have never seen a piece of art in any elections I have ever voted in.

and history has also proved that the majority has been correct MORE times than it's been wrong.

and are you joking about the elections :lol:lol

[MiamiHeat]

And that's why Home Alone is a transcendent work of genius.

Home Alone is a wonderful film for entertainment value. It's a great family film to just sit back, relax, and have a good time.

That's what it was aiming for, and in that regard, yeah, it was a work of genius.

[JoeChalupa]

and history has also proved that the majority has been correct MORE times than it's been wrong.

and are you joking about the elections :lol:lol

Uh, well you posted it....



Yes, Captain Obvious. We know that.

That's why humans, a long time ago, decided to just vote on things and go with the majority consensus. This included art and all it's forms.

We take these majority opinions as more valid than just the 1 guy yelling on a street.

[monosylab1k]

and citing Pacino's Oscar hardly counts as "the majority". The people who actually vote for the Oscars are a pretty elitist group.

If MiamiHeat's beloved majority actually voted for this shit, then the Velociraptors from Jurassic Park would have multiple Best Actor Oscars by now.

[MiamiHeat]

The majority loves Twilight, I better start watching that crap too.

The majority of people also love Pulp Fiction.

You going to dog on that one too? :lol:lol:lol:lol

seriously, when will you stop being dishonest to yourself and just admit that you were wrong in your logic?

[JoeChalupa]

Home Alone is a wonderful film for entertainment value. It's a great family film to just sit back, relax, and have a good time.

That's what it was aiming for, and in that regard, yeah, it was a work of genius.

And Twilight is also made for entertainment value. Period. It wasn't meant to be a cinematic, director Oscar nominated film.

[MiamiHeat]

Uh, well you posted it....

Yes, there are secret elections. Sorry, Joe, you don't get to participate

[JoeChalupa]

The majority of people also love Pulp Fiction.

You going to dog on that one too? :lol:lol:lol:lol

seriously, when will you stop being dishonest to yourself and just admit that you were wrong in your logic?

Pulp Fiction was great. Will you ever admit that your opinion is not always the right one?

[MiamiHeat]

And Twilight is also made for entertainment value. Period. It wasn't meant to be a cinematic, director Oscar nominated film.

Good, but you should direct your post to the other guy. He was the one bashing Twilight :lol

[CuckingFunt]

But even quality in art is subject to opinion. What you may consider cinematic quality I may find see as cinematic crap.

I don't really think so, but I'm not so married to my own opinion that I think what I enjoy is the same as what is good. I can see quality in the things I don't enjoy, and vice versa, without it causing me any major consternation.

I do think that within the arts the question of quality becomes increasingly complex, for a number of reasons, but that there are still several measurable areas in which one can assess whether or not the filmmaker/artist/whatever was successful in what they meant to accomplish. The issue of quality can, with complete objectivity, be established, argued, debated, and so on. The issue of enjoyment is where it gets more subjective, but I think the two aspects are largely unrelated.

[JoeChalupa]

Yes, there are secret elections. Sorry, Joe, you don't get to participate

Those are elections I have no desire to participate in. For I am a man of the people.
And stop avoiding your obvious post.

[MiamiHeat]

Pulp Fiction was great.

Yes, it was great.

Woops, we now have a majority.

now, if someone comes in here saying Pulp Fiction sucks, the world, when asked if Pulp Fiction is a good film or a shitty film, will go with our majority opinion.

Thanks for playing

[JoeChalupa]

I don't really think so, but I'm not so married to my own opinion that I think what I enjoy is the same as what is good. I can see quality in the things I don't enjoy, and vice versa, without it causing me any major consternation.

I do think that within the arts the question of quality becomes increasingly complex, for a number of reasons, but that there are still several measurable areas in which one can assess whether or not the filmmaker/artist/whatever was successful in what they meant to accomplish. The issue of quality can, with complete objectivity, be established, argued, debated, and so on. The issue of enjoyment is where it gets more subjective, but I think the two aspects are largely unrelated.

Well, I understand your position but I don't agree. And yes, perhaps yours and my own opinion are so married to our own that we see things in our own way. And that is exactly as it should be. Just because one director thinks a certain shot should be done a certain way doesn't make it right. I would think that if you gave a script to several directors they are not going to all come with the same way to direct the movie. Why? Because they all have a different view of what they perceive as "quality" or enjoyability.
Now, granted some directors and movie makers have a proven record but even then their films are not liked by everyone and surely not by all critics.
Now I have heard some critics say, the directing and producing sucked but overall the movie was not bad. Or the directing and production was great but the movie sucked.

[monosylab1k]

seriously, when will you stop being dishonest to yourself and just admit that you were wrong in your logic?

Are you talking to me, or about your analogy that Pacino giving the same acting performance over and over is the same as Tim Duncan giving the same performance over and over?

[CuckingFunt]

That's why humans, a long time ago, decided to just vote on things and go with the majority consensus. This included art and all it's forms.

Nearly every major art movement has been started specifically to reject majority opinions, and most of them have been met with tremendous resistance and outrage. Impressionism, now one of the most well known (probably second to the Renaissance) and the most popular painting styles, was seen at its start as an insult to the art community as a whole.

[MiamiHeat]

Nearly every major art movement has been started specifically to reject majority opinions, and most of them have been met with tremendous resistance and outrage. Impressionism, now one of the most well known (probably second to the Renaissance) and the most popular painting styles, was seen at its start as an insult to the art community as a whole.

...until eventually it became appreciated and popular (majority) and a legitimate work of art.

woops, there it is again.

[JoeChalupa]

...until eventually it became appreciated and popular (majority) and a legitimate work of art.

woops, there it is again.

Like reality TV?

[MiamiHeat]

Like reality TV?

It's a legitimate form of entertainment. The majority of people know it's not a masterpiece, but it's fun to watch (for them).

[CuckingFunt]

...until eventually it became appreciated and popular (majority) and a legitimate work of art.

woops, there it is again.

If, per your suggestion, people universally went with the majority consensus, something in the minority would have no possibility of ever gaining enough appreciation to jump sides.

Whoops, indeed.

[monosylab1k]

The majority of people know it's not a masterpiece

Yeah but the majority is watching it, therefore it is a masterpiece.

[MiamiHeat]

Yeah but the majority is watching it, therefore it is a masterpiece.

More flawed logic on your part ....

[The Reckoning]

Citizen Kane sucked. One of the most uninteresting, boring movies I have ever seen.


For that matter, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest also sucks.


you just lost a million points in my book. before this you were still in negative too.

you know a movie is good when it directly impacts the nation's psyche as a whole, and both movies did that.

[MiamiHeat]

If, per your suggestion, people universally went with the majority consensus, something in the minority would have no possibility of ever gaining enough appreciation to jump sides.

Whoops, indeed.

Incorrect, you lack understanding of the topic

1) People choose what they like.

2) Once enough people have chosen what they like, word gets around, Vote rating sites, top 100 lists, whatever.

3) Now you know what the majority likes. It's made up of a lot of individual people with their own likes and dislikes.

4) If more people come, people die, or people are born, time passes, or people change their minds, then a new majority is formed.


you incorrectly assume majority dictates.

the people dictate the majority.

[MiamiHeat]

you just lost a million points in my book. before this you were still in negative too.

you know a movie is good when it directly impacts the nation's psyche as a whole, and both movies did that.

it's my personal opinion though, I realize the movie was an amazing achievement in some areas, like production quality, that trick where they use bedsheets as a ceiling, etc..

to ME, it was boring, but that's only cause of my personal taste. on a ton of lists, citizen kane is ranked near the top, so I know it's a great film.

but to me, it was boring and it sucked, even though i realize its just a personal thing.

[JoeChalupa]

you just lost a million points in my book. before this you were still in negative too.

you know a movie is good when it directly impacts the nation's psyche as a whole, and both movies did that.

I concur. Citizen Kane and One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest are excellent great films. How anyone can say those sucked is beyond me.

[JoeChalupa]

it's my personal opinion though, I realize the movie was an amazing achievement in some areas, like production quality, that trick where they use bedsheets as a ceiling, etc..

to ME, it was boring, but that's only cause of my personal taste. on a ton of lists, citizen kane is ranked near the top, so I know it's a great film.

but to me, it was boring and it sucked, even though i realize its just a personal thing.

No shit Mr. Obvious!!!

[MiamiHeat]

I concur. Citizen Kane and One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest are excellent great films. How anyone can say those sucked is beyond me.

well, both of those films are widely loved and respected, so I know it's just me :P they didn't click with me personally, but I still respect them

I just don't personally like them, i was bored and i thought they sucked. I won't go and say that they don't deserve awards or anything

[MiamiHeat]

No shit Mr. Obvious!!!

that's exactly the point I was trying to make before Joe Captain Obvious repeated it

CuckingFunt and mono won't admit that they just have a PERSONAL distaste for it


CF criticize pacino for not doing more films to show off the range of an actor that she wants. that's COMPLETELY a personal taste thing.

she won't admit it though. she says Pacino is overrated and he only has 5 good performances. the rest don't count because he was "the same"

[JoeChalupa]

that's exactly the point I was trying to make before Joe Captain Obvious repeated it

CuckingFunt and mono won't admit that they just have a PERSONAL distaste for it


CF criticize pacino for not doing more films to show off the range of an actor that she wants. that's COMPLETELY a personal taste thing.

she won't admit it though. she says Pacino is overrated and he only has 5 good performances. the rest don't count because he was "the same"

+1 I concur. I am with you on this 100%.

[JoeChalupa]

well, both of those films are widely loved and respected, so I know it's just me :P they didn't click with me personally, but I still respect them

I just don't personally like them. I won't go and say that they don't deserve awards or anything

+1 It is like that with me and Avatar. yeah, I get the whole great visual effects and the quality of making the film but the message and feeling of the movie is nothing new to me. A glorified and fancied up Dances With Wolves is what I felt. But that is just me.

[CuckingFunt]

Incorrect, you lack understanding of the topic

1) People choose what they like.

2) Once enough people have chosen what they like, word gets around, Vote rating sites, top 100 lists, whatever.

3) Now you know what the majority likes. It's made up of a lot of individual people with their own likes and dislikes.

4) If more people come, people die, or people are born, time passes, or people change their minds, then a new majority is formed.


you incorrectly assume majority dictates.

the people dictate the majority.

If you're going to invent an argument for the purposes of trolling a thread and getting reactions, you should at the very least understand the logic of the argument you've invented.

Your presentation of this argument began with the suggestion that majority opinion was taken seriously specifically because it was the majority opinion; that consulting majority opinion is how one determines what is or is not good. Such a structure makes any deviation from established majority opinion impossible.

[MiamiHeat]

+1 It is like that with me and Avatar. yeah, I get the whole great visual effects and the quality of making the film but the message and feeling of the movie is nothing new to me. A glorified and fancied up Dances With Wolves is what I felt. But that is just me.

yeah you are right, it was a dances with wolves story. been there done that

i still loved it though, but im a sci-fi geek

[balli]

MH is the shittiest consumer in America. Nothing personal, but in addition to just saying it, he better actually realize how horrible his preferences are, in general.

PT Cruisers, Leno, Friends, etc, etc, etc- if something sucks total ass, MH is on it. If something's even halfway decent or worth admiring, he's running the other way as fast as possible.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

If you're going to invent an argument for the purposes of trolling a thread and getting reactions, you should at the very least understand the logic of the argument you've invented.

Your presentation of this argument began with the suggestion that majority opinion was taken seriously specifically because it was the majority opinion; that consulting majority opinion is how one determines what is or is not good. Such a structure makes any deviation from established majority opinion impossible.

You still haven't figured out you're wasting your time? :lol

[CuckingFunt]

it's my personal opinion though, I realize the movie was an amazing achievement in some areas, like production quality, that trick where they use bedsheets as a ceiling, etc..

to ME, it was boring, but that's only cause of my personal taste. on a ton of lists, citizen kane is ranked near the top, so I know it's a great film.

but to me, it was boring and it sucked, even though i realize its just a personal thing.

"It bored me" is a statement of opinion. "I didn't like the film" is a statement of opinion. "The movie sucked" is not.

I have never, here or otherwise, argued statements of opinion.


CF criticize pacino for not doing more films to show off the range of an actor that she wants. that's COMPLETELY a personal taste thing.

No, I didn't. I criticized Pacino for repeatedly delivering the same performance whether or not it was appropriate for the character he was playing at the time.

[MiamiHeat]

that consulting majority opinion is how one determines what is or is not good. Such a structure makes any deviation from established majority opinion impossible.

no, it doesn't.

because majority opinion does not tell you to change your mind. it's not a dictatorship that is forcing you to agree.

you can hate a movie that the majority likes. i don't know why you keep confusing this

just admit that you are in the minority and the film that you hate, most people like and it deserves it's praise. it's a matter of personal opinion.

if one day, enough people agree with you, then the majority opinion will have changed.

that's the only way humanity can come to a conclusion on these things. sorry, it's just how it works.

[MiamiHeat]

MH is the shittiest consumer in America. Nothing personal, but in addition to just saying it, he better actually realize how horrible his preferences are, in general.

PT Cruisers, Leno, Friends, etc, etc, etc- if something sucks total ass, MH is on it. If something's even halfway decent or worth admiring, he's running the other way as fast as possible.

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

There goes the minority again. Exactly what I was talking about

preaches about how HE is right, and everyone else is dumb and the things they like have NO merit.

:lol

[CuckingFunt]

You still haven't figured out you're wasting your time? :lol

No, I'm well aware of it. I pretty much assume at this point that MiamiHeat is presenting a false opinion with every one of his posts.

I have no plans tonight, though, so it's this or unpack a few more boxes.

[Booharv]

The majority also thinks Justin Bieber is totally awesome. So being in the minority suits me just fine.

Tweens are not the majority.

[MiamiHeat]

No, I didn't. I criticized Pacino for repeatedly delivering the same performance whether or not it was appropriate for the character he was playing at the time.

Isn't that a matter of your personal opinion?

Scent of a Woman was an Oscar winning performance.

Why did the character not require the performance he gave?

[Booharv]

Scarface is great and yes it is over the top, overstylized, and over-acted but that is point. Plus it has some of the most quotable dialogue of any film of the last 30 years.

Between the money, power, women explanation, the say hello to my little friend, the Qualude speech/argument in the bathtub, and the say goodnight to the bad guy speech ("Me, I always tell the truth even when I lie", that speech hits zero false notes and is 100% true to life) it has a ton of great quotable dialogue.

[Booharv]

Tbh every guy I know over 30 likes Scarface and can quote a ton of lines from it, except for a couple of faggots who hate any movie that they feel glorifies gangsters. I know 2 guys who won't even watch The Godfather movies because they say they don't want to watch the Mafia be glorified.

[JoeChalupa]

"It bored me" is a statement of opinion. "I didn't like the film" is a statement of opinion. "The movie sucked" is not.

I have never, here or otherwise, argued statements of opinion.



How is "the movie sucked" not an opinion? If you asked me what my opinion of a movie is and I say "the movie sucked" that IS my opinion.

[monosylab1k]

MH is the shittiest consumer in America. Nothing personal, but in addition to just saying it, he better actually realize how horrible his preferences are, in general.

PT Cruisers, Leno, Friends, etc, etc, etc- if something sucks total ass, MH is on it. If something's even halfway decent or worth admiring, he's running the other way as fast as possible.

tbh MiamiHeat hates leftover pizza, which is the minority since everybody loves leftover pizza. so, uh, I guess he has that going for him.

[Greg Oden]

Who the fuck is Spoon?

[Greg Oden]

Also, The Departed is the obvious and clear cut choice for Mass, but why does the description say it delivers and authentic replication of that particular area? AFAIK, there are quite a few movies about South Boston and Boston in general.

[EricB]

Im confused by something. (i know shocker right?)

They are saying these movies depict and represent the states they were either made in or about correct?


I fail to see how

1 Dazed and Confused represents Texas other than them saying they were in "in Austin"

2. How Wedding Crashers represents Maryland

3. How does Casino NOT represent Nevada MORE than The Hangover?

[baseline bum]

I loved Casino, but why the hell did they make up fake characters representing Tony Spilotro and Lefty Rosenthal and not make it about the Stardust instead of some fake Tangiers Casino? The story's basically the same if you cut Sharon Stone's annoying ass out of it.

[Veterinarian]

I loved Casino, but why the hell did they make up fake characters representing Tony Spilotro and Lefty Rosenthal and not make it about the Stardust instead of some fake Tangiers Casino? The story's basically the same if you cut Sharon Stone's annoying ass out of it.

I watched an A & E special about the real people and Sharon Stone's character is real, the whole movie is based on Lefty Rosenthal and pretty much everything is historically accurate. Rosenthal's wife was even a young pretty blond grifter and she left him and overdosed like in the movie. Plus she fucked the midget Spilotro in real life who really did have a whole in the wall gang that broke down walls overnight to steal money.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geraldine_McGee

They had to change the names for legal reasons to answer your other question.

[Veterinarian]

tbh MiamiHeat hates leftover pizza, which is the minority since everybody loves leftover pizza. so, uh, I guess he has that going for him.

lol you watched every Jon and Kate plus 8 episode

lol you also watched some reality TV show about a wacko religious family with dozens of kids

[Spurminator]

The worst thing about Casino is it broke a pretty long nudity streak for Sharon Stone in her prime. Come on, you couldn't find a few minutes for a shower scene somewhere in that 4 hour movie?

[monosylab1k]

lol you watched every Jon and Kate plus 8 episode

lol you also watched some reality TV show about a wacko religious family with dozens of kids

:lmao you like Scarface

[Jimcs50]

The Last Picture Show to me is the best movie out of Texas about Texas life.

[CuckingFunt]

Don't get why The Blind Side is more representative of Tennessee than Nashville is.

[EricB]

A guy trolling about TS is on the front page but a great conversation about movies falls to the second page?

WTF?


Bump for wanting to read more of the great movie convo...

[redzero]

Tweens are not the majority.

You gotta problem with Biebs?

[ChumpDumper]

The Last Picture Show to me is the best movie out of Texas about Texas life.That's the plains/prairie area Texas movie.

[CubanSucks]

just watched Giant and how the fuck was it not the movie for Texas? Even though I usually love big long epics (Ben Hur, Lawrence of Arabia, Dr Zhivago, The Good Bad Ugly), I still think it was pretty fucking boring. BUT, not only is it one of the "classics", it was ALL pure Texas knobslobbing.

and Elizabeth Taylor, the daughters, and Dennis Hopper's Mexican wife were really hot