Mavs re-sign Haywood

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

5yr/$55M

http://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo

[hater]

:lol

[Amarelooms]

I sure hope it's not 11 million a year...of course what do I care...it's not my $$$

:elephant

[ffadicted]

Over-fuggin-paid lol

[redzero]

I don't know if this was a wise idea.

[Findog]

I knew it

[Warlord23]

We staaaaaaaaaacked?

[DMX7]

11 million a year? Oh brother.

[Venti Quattro]

Rondo = Haywood

[Findog]

I don't know if this was a wise idea.

Unless you have a way for us to get Dwight Howard, Andrew Bynum, Andrew Bogut or Al Horford, name me a better idea.

[BadOdor]

STaaaaackeeeed

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Unless you have a way for us to get Dwight Howard, Andrew Bynum, Andrew Bogut or Al Horford, name me a better idea.


Teams having to overpay players because they have no better options is not a concept very many people get.

[Findog]

I called it:

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4476342&postcount=36



Well, it's a matter of what you're paying. Haywood is going to get an insane contract in this market. Anybody want to take any guesses as to what he signs for? Especially after the big names go off the board and teams are scrambling to salvage that cap space they created?

I'm guessing 5/55.

[angelbelow]

wow thats legit

[Killakobe81]

Unless you have a way for us to get Dwight Howard, Andrew Bynum, Andrew Bogut or Al Horford, name me a better idea.

Great point unless Yao or Oden stay healthy there are not many other big men available ...

Mavs still have Dirk, Haywood , Roddy and Caron along with the aging but still serviceable marion, Kidd and JET ...

Not a title team but that is 55 wins easy ...

[dallaskd]

I sure hope it's not 11 million a year...of course what do I care...it's not my $$$

:elephant

thats what im saying. not my money so what do i care.. Glad to have Haywood back.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Btw has Mavfan gotten scurred yet about the possibility of the DUST chip not being salvaged?

[dallaskd]

Btw has Mavfan gotten scurred yet about the possibility of the DUST chip not being salvaged?

no

[redzero]

Well, looks like the Hornets won't be dumping Okafor's contract onto the Mavs. :depressed

[Findog]

Btw has Mavfan gotten scurred yet about the possibility of the DUST chip not being salvaged?

It's not going to land one of the elite FA targets, but they'll get something out of it.

[Amarelooms]

It's not going to land one of the elite FA targets, but they'll get something out of it.

Yeah Cuban will get something...I'd say get Al Jefferson and then sign the best SG/Slasher with the MLE and call it a day

BTW Rumor has it that it;s a 6 year deal for 55million with maybe the last year a team option

:elephant

[Zelophehad]

Btw has Mavfan gotten scurred yet about the possibility of the DUST chip not being salvaged?

Yes, hell fucking yes.

[sefant77]

Its 6 years 55 million.

But im pretty damn sure the last year is a dustchip again and then it would something like 5/45 and that was the normal prize tag for him.

[Findog]

Well, looks like the Hornets won't be dumping Okafor's contract onto the Mavs. :depressed

We'll take that contract and Posey too if you thrown in CP3.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Doesn't put the Mavs past the second round at best, but Cuban did what needed to be done.

[Roddy Beaubois]

Its 6 years 55 million.

But im pretty damn sure the last year is a dustchip again and then it would something like 5/45 and that was the normal prize tag for him.

this.

[Roddy Beaubois]

Btw has Mavfan gotten scurred yet about the possibility of the DUST chip not being salvaged?

no.

[Come_On_Now]

6 yrs / 55 million

6th year is partially guaranteed.

[Roddy Beaubois]

good deal imho

[IronMexican]

Since they are already over the cap, it shouldn't matter to mavfan how much he was paid.

[Double-Up]

lol Dampier v2...don't you fucks ever learn?

:lmao

[Cuppycake Gumdrop]

lol Dampier v2...don't you fucks ever learn?

:lmao

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/sports/2006-12/25/xin_40120325085406343785.jpg

lol Ralph Sampson v2...don't you fucks ever learn?

:lmao

[Amuseddaysleeper]

:lol

[sefant77]

lol Dampier v2...don't you fucks ever learn?

:lmao

"Haha, you want 10 million too much, fuck off we will sign Damp back and Shaq and play with them the next 4 years."

Normal fucking prize tag for a good center.

And Rockets should shut up about dont u learn? Or maybe stick ur head out of Moreys ass to realize how this GM fucked up the opportunity to send T-Back to the Pistons.

[dbestpro]

5yr/$55M

http://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo

Just thought I'd add my two sense.

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:l ol

[jacobdrj]

Well, he is better than Damp, and played well when healthy for the Mavs. Not sure he was worth 11 mill, but serviceable 7 footers get that kind of cash... Dirk is screwed...

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/sports/2006-12/25/xin_40120325085406343785.jpg

lol Ralph Sampson v2...don't you fucks ever learn?

:lmao

At least Ralph Sampson got Houston to the finals once :lol

[Double-Up]

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/sports/2006-12/25/xin_40120325085406343785.jpg

lol Ralph Sampson v2...don't you fucks ever learn?

:lmao

Nice handle...Cuppycake Gumdrop (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=20012) :lol

[Double-Up]

At least Ralph Sampson got Houston to the finals once :lol

Riding mavfan cock again I see...were you fucks locked up together or some shit? So were you the pitcher or the catcher? :rollin

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Riding mavfan cock again I see

No more than Rocketfan rides Spurfan cock.

[sefant77]

Well, he is better than Damp, and played well when healthy for the Mavs. Not sure he was worth 11 mill, but serviceable 7 footers get that kind of cash... Dirk is screwed...

try your calculator again

[Double-Up]

No more than Rocketfan rides Spurfan cock.

2 rings faggot

[jacobdrj]

try your calculator again
Sorry, saw the 55 mill and assumed 5 years. Even at 6 years, he just seems too injury prone... More so being a year longer.

[Roddy Beaubois]

2 rings faggot

you were 2 years old faggot

[Double-Up]

you were 2 years old faggot

Tough talk for a grey named mavfan.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Remember that one time 15 years ago right after I was born when the Rockets won 2 championships?

[Findog]

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/sports/2006-12/25/xin_40120325085406343785.jpg

lol Ralph Sampson v2...don't you fucks ever learn?

:lmao

That guy doesn't know who Ralph Sampson is.

[sefant77]

2 rings faggot

2 rings because Jordan got bored

[sefant77]

Sorry, saw the 55 mill and assumed 5 years. Even at 6 years, he just seems too injury prone... More so being a year longer.

Last year not guaranteed, so the "real" deal is like 45/5 and that was his prize tag. Just look Amir Johnson, Gooden etc.

[dirk4mvp]

rofl daryle morey

rofl rocketfan upset since learning he sucks ass and wasn't good enough to pull Bosh

[Roddy Beaubois]

Bosh picking Miami is almost causing as much :cry among rocketfan as In n' out picking Garland.

[Double-Up]

2 rings because Jordan got bored

2 rings when Jordan was bored is better than none at all. Great logic there buddy! :lol

[dirk4mvp]

You lil gay ass nigglet, you thought you was getting James.

lol calculus

lol pigger

[Double-Up]

rofl daryle morey

rofl rocketfan upset since learning he sucks ass and wasn't good enough to pull Bosh

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn92/bao_down2bryant/lebron-mavs-1.jpg

[dirk4mvp]

:lmao

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=158022

[Double-Up]

:lmao

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=158022

:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin: rollin:rollin:rollin

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[dirk4mvp]

lol butthurt thinking Morey was getting Bosh

[Double-Up]

http://www.lebrontothemavs.com/

Nice site...wonder where you got the idea from?

:downspin:

[jacobdrj]

Last year not guaranteed, so the "real" deal is like 45/5 and that was his prize tag. Just look Amir Johnson, Gooden etc.
2 wrongs don't make a right...
Gooden > Haywood. Why is everyone so down on DG... He is good for what he is: a reliable backup PF. A great piece as a 1st guy off the bench.

[sefant77]

You lil gay ass nigglet, you thought you was getting James.

fuck off here this is a texas thread

[Roddy Beaubois]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155072&

:lmao

[sefant77]

2 wrongs don't make a right...
Gooden > Haywood. Why is everyone so down on DG... He is good for what he is: a reliable backup PF. A great piece as a 1st guy off the bench.

Gooden > Haywood?

Wait....what???

[monosylab1k]

Bosh picking Miami is almost causing as much :cry among rocketfan as In n' out picking Garland.

:lmao

[sefant77]

http://www.lebrontothemavs.com/

Nice site...wonder where you got the idea from?

:downspin:

from Bosh4Houston?

[dirk4mvp]

http://www.lebrontothemavs.com/

Nice site...wonder where you got the idea from?

:downspin:

There's a difference between what was a joke in the first place vs. rocketfan getting defensive and butthurt as soon as that thread was started.

lol thinking Morey was getting Bosh

lol Yao a franchise player

[Double-Up]

That's pretty funny if you have the mind of a retarded 6 year old in a 22 year old body, Roddy.

[monosylab1k]

That's pretty funny if you have the mind of a retarded 6 year old in a 22 year old body, Roddy.

......seriously?

[Roddy Beaubois]

http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/political-pictures-yao-ming-china-olympics-ball-drops.jpg

[Double-Up]

......seriously?

Nah, not really. :lol

[Roddy Beaubois]

http://newsimg.ngfiles.com/150000/150840_Yao_Ming_lol.jpg

[dirk4mvp]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01396/Yao_Ming_1396548c.jpg

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/political-pictures-yao-ming-china-olympics-ball-drops.jpg

:lmao

[Roddy Beaubois]

http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/blog/images/2007/04/23/yao_ming_giving_birth_2.jpg

[Double-Up]

Where can I get one of these shirts?

http://www.cadenhead.org/workbench/gems/dallas-mavericks-nba-champs-2006.jpg

[jacobdrj]

Gooden > Haywood?

Wait....what???
I know it isn't an apples to apples comparison, but Gooden produces reliably. He is a LOT like Corliss Williamson. Haywood has shown some good things in Dallas... But I question his health...

You brought up Gooden, not I.

Amir was a valid point though. The Foul Machine is gettin' paid...

[jacobdrj]

2 rings because Jordan got bored

Yeah, because 2 years off didn't spare him the wear and tear of the NBA season and didn't allow him to recover for those next 3 titles...

Jordan would have broken down years sooner had he stayed straight though...

[PM5K]

As someone else said, for a guy his size and with his numbers 10/10/2 that's about what you'd expect, maybe 1-3 more than what you'd expect at best.

In the era 15 years ago of great centers this guy wouldn't have gotten shit, but nowadays...

[sefant77]

I know it isn't an apples to apples comparison, but Gooden produces reliably. He is a LOT like Corliss Williamson. Haywood has shown some good things in Dallas... But I question his health...

You brought up Gooden, not I.

Amir was a valid point though. The Foul Machine is gettin' paid...

Dude, Haywood is statistically one of the best defensive center in the league. Gooden plays no defense, get lost during rotations etc.

[PM5K]

Yeah, because 2 years off didn't spare him the wear and tear of the NBA season and didn't allow him to recover for those next 3 titles...

Jordan would have broken down years sooner had he stayed straight though...

Hard to imagine when watching him play with the Wizards. He was 40 and was still capable of putting up 50 points, and almost did it back to back. He was a pretty durable guy.

[jacobdrj]

Hard to imagine when watching him play with the Wizards. He was 40 and was still capable of putting up 50 points, and almost did it back to back. He was a pretty durable guy.
Well, he again seemed to benefit from the off time, along with keeping in shape during those 2 stints retired... However, he did break down, IIRC, in BOTH seasons as a Wiz, causing them to miss the playoffs...

[PM5K]

Well, he again seemed to benefit from the off time, along with keeping in shape during those 2 stints retired... However, he did break down, IIRC, in BOTH seasons as a Wiz, causing them to miss the playoffs...

No, the years off hurt him his first season because his body wasn't ready for 82 game season. By the second season he was doing a lot better, and played all 82 games.

[jacobdrj]

Dude, Haywood is statistically one of the best defensive center in the league. Gooden plays no defense, get lost during rotations etc.

Fair points. Gooden is a defensive liability, hence the Corliss Williamson (or Rodney Rodgers) comparison. But I think those talents can be properly utilized... Haywood has a minimal offensive game at best, and again, is seemingly injury prone...

[DJ Mbenga]

this seems like another dampier contract

[jacobdrj]

No, the years off hurt him his first season because his body wasn't ready for 82 game season. By the second season he was doing a lot better, and played all 82 games.

Hmm... Are you sure there wasn't a sore knee involved the 2nd season?

[PM5K]

I'm not disagreeing, just curious: So if a guy misses say an average of seven games a season, and one entire season, that makes him injury prone?

[PM5K]

Hmm... Are you sure there wasn't a sore knee involved the 2nd season?

His knees weren't perfect, but he still averaged 37 minutes and put up 20 a game, at 40 years old. When he was done he'd ice the shit out of them, but so does Timmy.

[jacobdrj]

In fairness, Haywood's teams never had a proper playoff run. I suppose I should reserve judgement until then...

[sribb43]

This had to be done...Mavs will be over the cap for enternity so who cares. Much better option than giving JO the full MLE and calling him our starting center

[mavsfan1000]

Good pickup as long as Carlisle doesn't fuck with him.

[MavDynasty]

That 13 game winning streak after the trade where Damp was out, Haywood was beasting. Ever since Damp came back and the whole "be ready" attitude Carlisle brought to Haywood, he was unmotivated and pissed that erica started over him.

Anyone remember the first 2 months of the season contract whore Damp who was a beast :lmao

[MavDynasty]

lol double post

[jacobdrj]

That 13 game winning streak after the trade where Damp was out, Haywood was beasting. Ever since Damp came back and the whole "be ready" attitude Carlisle brought to Haywood, he was unmotivated and pissed that erica started over him.

Anyone remember the first 2 months of the season contract whore Damp who was a beast :lmao

Well, this is why I have no faith in Haywood. Haywood was tearing it up for the Mavs, and was seemingly the reason for their success. HOWEVER, I think he got hurt BECAUSE he was the only option at Center and he overexerted himself. That is what scared me about him. I've seen that before with the Pistons (Rasheed, Will Bynum and Tayshaun come to mind).

[Zelophehad]

I agree with Mavdynasty. Haywood has a long history of not dealing well with competition going back to his days getting into fistfights in practice with Etan Thomas in Washington and ripping Thomas dreadlocks out of his scalp.

[vicphoenix13]

Mark Cuban wouldn't give Nash a 6 year/$66 million dollar deal in 2004 but is fine with giving similar contracts to Eric Dampier and Brendan Haywood.

[Roddy Beaubois]

Mark Cuban wouldn't give Nash a 6 year/$66 million dollar deal in 2004 but is fine with giving similar contracts to Eric Dampier and Brendan Haywood.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Crytek]

Reason: They have 6 inches over Nash and are able to walk without stumbling (sometimes).
Remember, they paid Diop full MLE.

[jacobdrj]

They got further with Damp without Nash than Nash did with Dallas OR Phoenix.

[Zelophehad]

Mark Cuban wouldn't give Nash a 6 year/$66 million dollar deal in 2004 but is fine with giving similar contracts to Eric Dampier and Brendan Haywood.

:tu for the reminder. I'm sure no Mavs fans are aware of that fact.

[Findog]

Good pickup as long as Carlisle doesn't fuck with him.

With Damp's departure it shouldn't be a concern. They'll have to play him 33 minutes a night.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Mark Cuban wouldn't give Nash a 6 year/$66 million dollar deal in 2004 but is fine with giving similar contracts to Eric Dampier and Brendan Haywood.


Not trying to rip on Nash at all, but it's not really fair to Cuban how you criticize him like he wouldn't give a 2 time MVP that contract when at the time Nash was a borderline All-star. At the time Phoenix giving him that deal was a head scratcher, revisionist history ignores this but tons of Suns fans at the time were saying, "Great, more Bryan Colangelo overpaying B-list talent to keep the Suns competitive." No one knew it would turn out that well.

[vicphoenix13]

They got further with Damp without Nash than Nash did with Dallas OR Phoenix.

The Mavs also lost to teams they should have beat in the first round. Say what you want about Nash, but his teams have never lost to a team they were supposed to beat in the playoffs.

[Zelophehad]

With Damp's departure it shouldn't be a concern. They'll have to play him 33 minutes a night.

They're not re-signing Damp once his new team releases him?

[Roddy Beaubois]

The Mavs also lost to teams they should have beat in the first round. Say what you want about Nash, but his teams have never lost to a team they were supposed to beat in the playoffs.

wat

[sefant77]

Mark Cuban wouldn't give Nash a 6 year/$66 million dollar deal in 2004 but is fine with giving similar contracts to Eric Dampier and Brendan Haywood.

Look at all those rings and final appearances piling up in Phoenix

[sefant77]

Not trying to rip on Nash at all, but it's not really fair to Cuban how you criticize him like he wouldn't give a 2 time MVP that contract when at the time Nash was a borderline All-star. At the time Phoenix giving him that deal was a head scratcher, revisionist history ignores this but tons of Suns fans at the time were saying, "Great, more Bryan Colangelo overpaying B-list talent to keep the Suns competitive." No one knew it would turn out that well.

This and Mavs trying to get past prime Duncan and Lakers Shaq with a real center.

[vicphoenix13]

Look at all those rings and final appearances piling up in Phoenix

Look at all those playoff chokejobs piling up in Dallas.

[Ignorant Spurs fan]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

The Chokericks have already cemented themselves for playoff failure next year. The fact that Duncan, Gasol, Howard, and Bogut were all on the market and they decided to resign Haywood!!

What were they thinking!?!?!?!?!:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lm ao

[RoddyBukkake]

lol Steve Trash 1 crooked eye 0 finals appearances

[vicphoenix13]

wat

Since Nash joined the Suns, his teams have lost to the Spurs, Lakers and Mavs in the playoffs. And the year they lost to the Mavs was when Amare was injured for the season. So the worst you can say about Nash is that he wasn't good enough to beat two of the greatest players of all time in Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant.

[sefant77]

Look at all those playoff chokejobs piling up in Dallas.

Too dumb to get it?

They wouldnt be closer to a title with Nash instead of Dampier...

[Greg Oden]

There's a reason why every team Nash was on that's played the Spurs in the playoffs has only won 1 series.

Hell the guy couldn't even stay in front of Mike Bibby, much less Tony Parker.

[vicphoenix13]

lol Steve Trash 1 crooked eye 0 finals appearances


You guys are still bitter that he left. Too bad Cuban would rather pay average centers like Dampier and Haywood than one of the ten best point guards of all time in Nash.

[Greg Oden]

You guys are still bitter that he left. Too bad Cuban would rather pay average centers like Dampier and Haywood than a borderline allstar who has to have a tailor made system put around him to be successful.

Fixed.

Why are you so butthurt about who Cuban gives money to?

[vicphoenix13]

Too dumb to get it?

They wouldnt be closer to a title with Nash instead of Dampier...

That's like me saying that the Mavs wouldn't have choked against the Warriors if they kept Nash. We will never know the answer to what the Mavs would have done if they kept Nash.

[Greg Oden]

That's like me saying that the Mavs wouldn't have choked against the Warriors if they kept Nash. We will never know the answer to what the Mavs would have done if they kept Nash.

Considering he would've been holding Baron Davis, it's safe to assume they would've gotten raped even harder.

[sefant77]

rofl because Nash was able to defend Davis, Ellis, Jax?

2004 the NBA had prime Duncan and prime Shaq. Dallas had no real center. Never. Nash was an above average PG in his late 20s. No one knew he would step up in his game and would be so good THIS long.

I have no problem with Cuban going for the center instead of Nash.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

one of the ten best point guards of all time in Nash.


This is what you're not getting dude. Don't you think if Cuban knew Nash would turn into a 2 time MVP HOFer once he went to Phoenix he woulda made more of an effort to keep him? When Cuban let Nash leave, he was a 30 year point guard with a bad back, who at his best was a borderline AS, fresh off getting worked by Mike Bibby in a 1st round playoff exit. He had no way of knowing Nash would turn into one of the best players in the NBA. It's a lot easier to say Cuban fucked up in hindsight, but at the time it made perfect sense for Cuban to go in a different direction with a more defense oriented team.

[vicphoenix13]

Fixed.

Why are you so butthurt about who Cuban gives money to?

I don't care who he spends his money on. It just proves that he isn't spending his money wisely. Mavs fans are still cursing about that Dampier albatross contract.

Oh and if the system is tailor made for Nash, then please explain D'Antoni's lack of success in New York? The system doesn't work so well when Chris Duhon is the point guard.

[Greg Oden]

I don't care who he spends his money on.

ok brah. this thread doesn't help your post here.

[sefant77]

I don't care who he spends his money on. It just proves that he isn't spending his money wisely. Mavs fans are still cursing about that Dampier albatross contract.

Oh and if the system is tailor made for Nash, then please explain D'Antoni's lack of success in New York? The system doesn't work so well when Chris Duhon is the point guard.

what albatross contract? 59/6, less than 10 million for a decent defensive center.

[vicphoenix13]

Considering he would've been holding Baron Davis, it's safe to assume they would've gotten raped even harder.

Yeah because Nash wouldn't have been able to counter Davis offensively. One of the best shooters and passers of all time couldn't have helped out the Mavs in that series.

[vicphoenix13]

ok brah. this thread doesn't help your post here.

Says the guy who is actually a Mavs fan.

[Greg Oden]

Yeah because Nash wouldn't have been able to counter Davis offensively. One of the best shooters and passers of all time couldn't have helped out the Mavs in that series.

Does Nash's ball sack taste delicious to you?

You'd have to be an idiot to believe he would be as effective on offense after having to guard Davis on the other end, who is a much bigger, faster, stronger, and physical player than Nash.

[Greg Oden]

Says the guy who is actually a Mavs fan.

Are you making a point or just rambling like you've been doing?

[vicphoenix13]

what albatross contract? 59/6, less than 10 million for a decent defensive center.

I read the Mavs fan message boards and they don't like Dampier. They feel like they should have gotten alot more production for close to $10 million

[vicphoenix13]

what albatross contract? 59/6, less than 10 million for a decent defensive center.

I read the Mavs fan message boards and they don't like Dampier. They feel like they should have gotten alot more production for close to $10 million a year.

[vicphoenix13]

Does Nash's ball sack taste delicious to you?

You'd have to be an idiot to believe he would be as effective on offense after having to guard Davis on the other end, who is a much bigger, faster, stronger, and physical player than Nash.

How does Cuban's dick taste to you?

You can't argue with someone who thinks that Baron Davis is better than Steve Nash.

[BUMP]

How does Cuban's dick taste to you?

You can't argue with someone who thinks that Baron Davis is better than Steve Nash.

Nash is better now, but you'd be on crack to say that Davis wasn't ballin out of his mind that series

[Greg Oden]

How does Cuban's dick taste to you?

You can't argue with someone who thinks that Baron Davis is better than Steve Nash.

Find the post in this thread where I said Baron Davis is a better basketball player than Steve Nash and I'll leave ST forever. You can't find that post and you leave ST forever. Don't be a chickenshit.

[vicphoenix13]

Nash is better now, but you'd be on crack to say that Davis wasn't ballin out of his mind that series

Sure Davis was great in that series, but Nash was in his prime three years ago.

[BUMP]

I can agree that maybe we beat GS with Nash, but we never get past San Antonio with him. The total lack of defense on his part makes it hard to build a championship team around him

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

IMO it's pretty obvious Nash woulda helped Dallas out against Golden State. When a series is that up tempo any team with Steve Nash is gonna have the edge because of how well he does in those games. With that said, them losing that series was more an indictment of Avery Johnson's coaching and how easy it was to turn a game against them into a jump shooting orgy. If Dallas was a championship team that year they woulda been able to just slow it down and out execute G-State in the half court, it's not about Nash/no Nash.

The 2006 Spurs series will always provide enough reason why Dallas shouldn't be criticized for letting Nash leave. Eric Dampier, the guy they could get once Nash left, defended Duncan better than Dallas ever did in 2001 or 2003. Tony Parker had a very sub par, inconsistent series he woulda never had against Nash. Dallas was attacking the hoop better than any team led by Nash ever has, and they executed in the half court better than they ever did with Nash.

[vicphoenix13]

Find the post in this thread where I said Baron Davis is a better basketball player than Steve Nash and I'll leave ST forever. You can't find that post and you leave ST forever. Don't be a chickenshit.

Okay you got me. You didn't say Davis is a better player but your quote about Nash not being as effective on offense after going against a bigger stronger and faster player is ignorant. The way Golden State played defense, there's no way that Nash would have been shut down. He's a better shooter, passer and thinker than Davis. Don't act like Davis's strengths would be an advantage over Nash's strengths.

[Muser]

As much as I bash Devin his defense was good on Parker in that series, no way Nash does that to him.

[vicphoenix13]

I can agree that maybe we beat GS with Nash, but we never get past San Antonio with him. The total lack of defense on his part makes it hard to build a championship team around him


Then what are the Mavs doing with Jason Kidd as the point guard. As great as he once was defensively, he has been torched the last three years. Its forgivable to get torched by Chauncey Billups and Chris Paul, but to get torched by George Hill? Notice that Hill didn't fair so well against Nash in the next round.

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Then what are the Mavs doing with Jason Kidd as the point guard. As great as he once was defensively, he has been torched the last three years. Its forgivable to get torched by Chauncey Billups and Chris Paul, but to get torched by George Hill? Notice that Hill didn't fair so well against Nash in the next round.

Kidd's problem is that he plays so much help defense, that he leaves guys like Hill wide open for long jumpers, and Hill happened to have the series of his life and hit them all. Kidd needs to work on staying home on shooters this year.

[vicphoenix13]

As much as I bash Devin his defense was good on Parker in that series, no way Nash does that to him.


Mavs fans should realize that Devin Harris and Steve Nash could have played together. So to say Nash's defense was holding them back is a copout considering that Harris could have defended the other teams best perimeter player.

[Zelophehad]

Mavs fans should realize that Devin Harris and Steve Nash could have played together. So to say Nash's defense was holding them back is a copout considering that Harris could have defended the other teams best perimeter player.

You have a case if you put it that way. If Nash plays the Jason Terry role and guards Bowen, the Mavs might win it all in 06. Certainly would have a player to make more clutch shots in the Finals.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Then what are the Mavs doing with Jason Kidd as the point guard. As great as he once was defensively, he has been torched the last three years. Its forgivable to get torched by Chauncey Billups and Chris Paul, but to get torched by George Hill? Notice that Hill didn't fair so well against Nash in the next round.


Going out and getting Kidd is actually what makes them letting Nash go look questionable. From 2005-2007, it made perfect sense for Dallas. They moved away from being an up tempo team and toward being a half court, defensive minded team that didn't require a PG to do so much on offense. Letting Nash leave allowed J-Ho and Devin Harris to develop into good individual players, it allowed Dirk to become a more complete player who was a lot better at getting high % shots, Jason Terry was fine as the short term replacement, and Dallas was able to have a legit center on the court at all times since they no longer had a PG who was ineffective with a big man clogging the lane.

Now that they traded Harris for Kidd and brought in a guy like Marion, you're right, it begs the question why not just keep Nash in the 1st place if using a high assist PG is such a huge part of your offense. The thing is, they made the Kidd trade out of desperation, it wasn't their ideal scenario. When Devin Harris never took the next step they expected him to take, Josh Howard stopped taking the ball to the hole and started settling for jumpers, Jason Terry got to old to do anything other than spot up, and Jerry Stackhouse just got old period, their only option was to get a PG who could take the ball out of their hands and make things easier for them.

[sefant77]

Value contract at the end, specially for a center

2010-11 $6,900,000
2011-12 $7,624,500
2012-13 $8,349,000
2013-14 $9,073,500
2014-15 $9,798,000
2015-16 (unguaranteed) [trade chip of $10,522,500]
TOTAL (guaranteed) - 5 years, $41.745M"

[Double-Up]

Value contract at the end, specially for a center

2010-11 $6,900,000
2011-12 $7,624,500
2012-13 $8,349,000
2013-14 $9,073,500
2014-15 $9,798,000
2015-16 (unguaranteed) [trade chip of $10,522,500]
TOTAL (guaranteed) - 5 years, $41.745M"

Looks like Dampier v2 :lol

[sefant77]

Hmmm, should i check hoy much the Rockets paid Yao and T-Back the last few years for every game they were on the court?

Just for the fun...

["Jigsaw"]

Hmmm, should i check hoy much the Rockets paid Yao and T-Back the last few years for every game they were on the court?

Just for the fun...

And yet Dirk still has as many championships as those two....ain't it a peach?

[Ashy Larry]

41 million for 7 points and 6 rebounds ......... brutal

["Jigsaw"]

41 million for 7 points and 6 rebounds ......... brutal

Like paying a hooker to catch VD, and still going in unprotected. Good job Cuban

[sefant77]

41 million for 7 points and 6 rebounds ......... brutal

Luke Waltons total numbers?

[Ashy Larry]

Luke Waltons total numbers?

naw, Mitch was only dumb enough to give Walton 6 for 30 ..........

:depressed


Damn ...... you had to bring up Luke. I' would throw a party if Luke would average more than 7 points per game this season.

[sefant77]

I didnt even bring up the Vujabitch earning the last two seasons between 4-5 millions for 5.8 and 2.8 points :D

[21_Blessings]

3.9/5.3

Money well spent, Cubes.

[JamStone]

What are Andrew Bynum's stats on the season?

Well deserving of $13.8 million, I'm guessing.

[BlackSwordsMan]

at least bonner is worth his 10 mil

[21_Blessings]

Bynum earns his money in May and June.

Also 7 years younger than Haywood and has been the better player since he was 19 :lol

[JamStone]

7.0/5.2 playoff numbers earning that $58 million

[HarlemHeat37]

Shit, I actually forgot Bynum is getting paid so much..

He got paid 13 million $ last year for less than 25 MPG during the playoffs, and missed 20 games during the regular season..

He's getting paid 14 million $ this year, and he hasn't even played a game yet..

Damn, to be a 7-footer..

[21_Blessings]

That's the great thing about the Lakers pre-season. No compelling reason to rush back. Bynum's an investment that already paid for itself, twice :lol

With Brenda, he just came down with a case Dampieritis.

[HarlemHeat37]

Bynum has barely contributed more to the Lakers titles than you have, tbh..

[sribb43]

Should have signed Kwame Brown