Who will have the better career when it's all said and done?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

poll coming, discuss. 100% serious, Scottie was the best sidekick of all time, can Lebron surpass that?

[TheManFromAcme]

I see what you did there DOK. :lol

Me likes....:toast

[IronMexican]

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Private polls SUCK

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Btw I vote Pippen. Better shooter, defender and rebounder in his prime than Lebron.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU


Private polls SUCK


I know my bad. I realized as I clicked submit poll that I forgot to make it public.

[gaKNOW!blee]

you said 100% serious so ill assume you are.

i really dont think he is going to be a sidekick like Pippen, i could see Lebron putting up the same stats as Wade, if not better. Its bosh that will be an after thought on this team.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

you said 100% serious so ill assume you are.

i really dont think he is going to be a sidekick like Pippen, i could see Lebron putting up the same stats as Wade, if not better. Its bosh that will be an after thought on this team.

It's going to be Wade taking all the big shots and doing all the big things for Miami. Lebron will put up better stats than Pippen but he won't provide the intangibles.

[z0sa]

lol thinking LeBron will be a sidekick

[narmerguy]

Lord, if they win a championship, who will be finals MVP? Hopefully either Wade or James will emerge as a clear mvp or else someone's gonna feel a little snubbed which could start making cracks in the team.

[z0sa]

This could set a precedent for Finals Co-MVPs. Or not.

[stretch]

lol, hurt vagina thread

[TheMACHINE]

He's a rich mans Scottie

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

lol, hurt vagina thread


lol, Lebron fan

[MiamiHeat]

dumb thread

LeBron is still the best player in the nba, he will be no sidekick.

he's going to lead the heat.

[HarlemHeat37]

He has clearly been the best player in the NBA for the last 2 years, he has won back to back MVPs, but all of a sudden his ability changes because he joined a team where he can win titles? LOL..

I don't know where the idea came that Lebron can't perform well in big games..he took a team to the NBA Finals with an average supporting cast, he had one of the best performances of all-time vs. Detroit to virtually end the series, he had a 40 point game 7 vs. Boston, he's had a good number of game winning/clutch shots in the playoffs, he averaged 35+ vs. Orlando in the ECF last year..

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I don't know where the idea came that Lebron can't perform well in big games..


http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201005110CLE.html

[z0sa]

He has clearly been the best player in the NBA for the last 2 years, he has won back to back MVPs, but all of a sudden his ability changes because he joined a team where he can win titles? LOL..

I don't know where the idea came that Lebron can't perform well in big games..he took a team to the NBA Finals with an average supporting cast, he had one of the best performances of all-time vs. Detroit to virtually end the series, he had a 40 point game 7 vs. Boston, he's had a good number of game winning/clutch shots in the playoffs, he averaged 35+ vs. Orlando in the ECF last year..

but but but but now he's just a glorified Pippen!! Fuck the fact he actually cares about winning, he can never be the best ever now! hahaha LeBron

[Giuseppe]

dumb thread

LeBron is still the best player in the nba, he will be no sidekick.

he's going to lead the heat.

Uh, uh, he'll dutifully follow Wade. He'll be ahead of Bosh in the fart catching order, but, LeBron will definitely be a fart catcher henceforth.

[monosylab1k]

lol thinking LeBron will be a sidekick

He is by default.

Is Wade packing his bags to join LeBron, or is it the other way around?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

lol saying someone who's been in the NBA for 7 years with no post game to speak of cares about winning

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Maybe Lebron cares about winning, as long as it doesn't require him putting a team on his back the way Jordan did.

[HarlemHeat37]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201005110CLE.html

Is Kobe a big game performer? Is Duncan?..

[z0sa]

He is by default.

Is Wade packing his bags to join LeBron, or is it the other way around?

What does the city they play in have anything to do with what happens on the basketball court?

4 players under contract. Brand new team, brand new contracts, brand new mentality.

[monosylab1k]

What does the city they play in have anything to do with what happens on the basketball court?

The fact that they renamed the area Wade County for a while might mean a little bit. That's been Wade's team for all this team.

LeBron is joining Wade's team, not the other way around.

[Muser]

Miami is Wade's team. Always will be until he leaves.

[ffadicted]

Lebron cares about winning, as long as it makes him earn some extra dollars

[Giuseppe]

Yep, James is just Number One fart catcher now.

[z0sa]

Maybe Lebron cares about winning, as long as it doesn't require him putting a team on his back the way Jordan did.

Why don't you list some specific parallels (team situation including financial as well as player contracts and team histories and rivalries) between Jordan's situation and LeBron's situation in Cleveland. I'll even let you choose when exactly Jordan compared most with LeBron.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Is Kobe a big game performer? Is Duncan?..


The team Tim Duncan carried to a championship in 2003 woulda been a team Lebron quit on.

Kobe bailed on the team he could have built from the ground up on draft night, Lebron bailed 7 years later. Lebron coulda been better than Kobe and he chose not to be.

[z0sa]

The fact that they renamed the area Wade County for a while might mean a little bit. That's been Wade's team for all this team.

LeBron is joining Wade's team, not the other way around.

Ooo, that's convincing evidence.

If you want to oversimplify that grossly, have at it. Everyone knows that it's no longer's solely Wade's team, including Wade.

[z0sa]

The team Tim Duncan carried to a championship in 2003 woulda been a team Lebron quit on.

Proof?

2010 semifinals doesn't prove that, before you make such a pathetic attempt.


Kobe bailed on the team he could have built from the ground up on draft night, Lebron bailed 7 years later. Lebron coulda been better than Kobe and he chose not to be.

lol @ "bailing" after 7 years on a team with no future

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Lebron wants it to be Wade's team. He's got no interest winning a championship with something as "his team".

[ffadicted]

lmao @ dumbasses thinking it'll stop being Wade's team now. Get a clue :lmao

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Proof?

2010 semifinals doesn't prove that, before you make such a pathetic attempt.


Um, yeah it does.

[z0sa]

Um, yeah it does.

How does the 2010 semifinals with a totally different team and opponent prove such a hypothetical concerning 2003?

[monosylab1k]

Lebron wants it to be Wade's team. He's got no interest winning a championship with something as "his team".

If he wanted to win, have a supporting cast with the potential to be every bit as good, and still be "the man" he'd be in Chicago right now.

He chose to go somewhere that had an established superstar leader. LeBron has proven he's scared and insecure, he doesn't want to even attempt to be Batman, instead he wants to Ambiguously Gay Duo his way to a title.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

How does the 2010 semifinals with a totally different team and opponent prove such a hypothetical concerning 2003?


Because Duncan's supporting cast in 2003 wasn't much better than Lebron's last year. If Lebron quit on that supporting cast no reason to think he wouldn't quit on Duncan's in 2003.

[TDMVPDPOY]

just wait till wade invites these 2 clowns to his social gangbangs and the wives find out and gettin the herpes, then askn for 50/50....pwned!!! i cant fkn wait

[Muser]

lol @ "bailing" after 7 years on a team with no future


LeBron signed off on all those moves, he knows he fucked up big so he left Cleveland with a shitty future for the next 5-10 years.

[JJ Hickson]

Scottie Pippen has 6 rings. And he didn't have to ring chase to get them. Once LeBron wins 6 rings on the Heat (as a Robin) him and Pippen will be equal. Until then Pippen is better.

[TheManFromAcme]

Miami is Wade's team. Always will be until he leaves.

Exactly.

Wade is and is the only face for that franchise. Lol at thinking that franchise will be tri-faced because it's not.

They're all pals off the court and sounds nice and dandy that they are all in it together a'la 3 muskateers but in due time the weight of it all will come down on Bron. Not much on Bosh because he strikes me as a "yes-sir" kind of guy but Bron will be that little kid that sees the other kid with more scoops of ice cream on his cone.

[z0sa]

Because Duncan's supporting cast in 2003 wasn't much better than Lebron's last year. If Lebron quit on that supporting cast no reason to think he wouldn't quit on Duncan's in 2003.

You can't prove a hypothetical, first of all.

Second, LeBron "quitting" on his team is your opinion. It doesn't constitute any kind of empirical proof.

Third, there's a converse to that opinion. Cleveland sucked. LeBron put up ungodly-enough stats that a contending team would have picked up the slack.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

LeBron signed off on all those moves, he knows he fucked up big so he left Cleveland with a shitty future for the next 5-10 years.


Yup. Lebron wanted those moves, and he never gave Cleveland a chance to build long term like Durant did with OKC. Once Lebron came in Cle had to start making short sited moves in order to satisfy Lebron and keep him happy.

[TheManFromAcme]

Scottie Pippen has 6 rings. And he didn't have to ring chase to get them.

:tu

[z0sa]

LeBron signed off on all those moves, he knows he fucked up big so he left Cleveland with a shitty future for the next 5-10 years.

Cleveland did the best they could, I agree.

Is it LeBron's fault that's nowhere near good enough?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

You can't prove a hypothetical, first of all.

Second, LeBron "quitting" on his team is your opinion. It doesn't constitute any kind of empirical proof.

Third, there's a converse to that opinion. Cleveland sucked. LeBron put up ungodly-enough stats that a contending team would have picked up the slack.


Lebron's stats in game 5 were anything but "ungodly". Lebron did not try his hardest to win game 5 (or anything close to his hardest), that's quitting.

[TheManFromAcme]

Lebron wants it to be Wade's team. He's got no interest winning a championship with something as "his team".

He wants you to believe that. We are talking about a guy that has a "Chosen One" tat.

Humble folk don't do that.
Food for thought.

[Muser]

Cleveland did the best they could, I agree.

Is it LeBron's fault that's nowhere near good enough?

Yes, because LeBron wanted those trades/signings.

[z0sa]

Lebron's stats in game 5 were anything but "ungodly". Lebron did not try his hardest to win game 5 (or anything close to his hardest), that's quitting.

:lmao overgeneralizing over a single non-elimination game. Everyone, including the GOAT, had bad games.

How'd he do in the elimination game 6? How about his overall Cavalier playoff stats for the last 7 years?

Did he quit when the Spurs were raping that ass the Finals?

[z0sa]

Yes, because LeBron wanted those trades/signings.

Which signings do you think he should have disagreed with, and who was better/more viable at the time?

AFAIK and IMHO, Cleveland did the absolute best they could, but due to their situation both financially and with the 2010 time frame, it just wasn't ever going to be good enough. Not enough options.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

How'd he do in the elimination game 6?


He shot 38% and had 9 turnovers.

[z0sa]

[quote=z0sa;4489793]How'd he do in the elimination game 6?/quote]


He shot 38% and had 9 turnovers.

Post all of his stats, douche. How does this prove he would have quit in 2003 with the Spurs' team and situation?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

lol thanks for the douche remark, fat beaner.

I told you how he did. You can post the stats if you want, I know someone who's supposed to be a leader shouldn't be dropping 9 turnovers in an elimination game.

[Muser]

Which signings do you think he should have disagreed with, and who was better/more viable at the time?

AFAIK and IMHO, Cleveland did the absolute best they could, but due to their situation both financially and with the 2010 time frame, it just wasn't ever going to be good enough. Not enough options.

They should have gone the OKC/Portland route. Draft your franchise player and then stockpile future draft picks to get a good young core.

[z0sa]

They should have gone the OKC/Portland route. Draft your franchise player and then stockpile future draft picks to get a good young core.

Wow... vague.

BTW, is OKC or Portland contending for a title? Have they been?

[ffadicted]

z0sa is just happy about being able to bandwagon, leave him alone guys

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

z0sa is just happy about being able to bandwagon, leave him alone guys

[23LeBronJames23]

:lmao you're comparing a 2 time MVP with Pippen. :lmao

Just because LeBron will be playing with 2 all stars dont mean he gets worse :lmao
think with your head people

[resistanze]

:lmao you're comparing a 2 time MVP with Pippen. :lmao

Just because LeBron will be playing with 2 all stars dont mean he gets worse :lmao
think with your head people

You know he left right.

[z0sa]

z0sa is just happy about being able to bandwagon, leave him alone guys

Who the fuck are you? Are you from Argentina?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

:lmao you're comparing a 2 time MVP with Pippen. :lmao

Just because LeBron will be playing with 2 all stars dont mean he gets worse :lmao
think with your head people


My nigga Scottie is winning the pole

[z0sa]

lol thanks for the douche remark, fat beaner.

I told you how he did. You can post the stats if you want, I know someone who's supposed to be a leader shouldn't be dropping 9 turnovers in an elimination game.

in other words, you're afraid to post his stats because they would kick your stupid ass argument's dick in the dirt.

just shut the fuck up, racist.

[ffadicted]

Who the fuck are you? Are you from Argentina?

yo' bro you ain't gotta be mad, it's ok, you'll fit in with most people, I understand. Plus, the kids :cry

[z0sa]

yo' bro you ain't gotta be mad, it's ok, you'll fit in with most people, I understand. Plus, the kids :cry

So yes, you're from Argentina.

And you call me a bandwagoner? I was a spurs fan before you even knew Manu's name.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

lol z0sa

We all know you've been a Spurs fan since 2003. lol calling me a racist when you're Antisemitic

[ffadicted]

So yes, you're from Argentina.

And you call me a bandwagoner? I was a spurs fan before you even knew Manu's name.

lol I'm not from argentina, plus what's witht he racism

[z0sa]

lol calling me a racist when you're Antisemitic

lol butthurt over 2 clear jokes I made specifically to point out why you shouldn't be such a pathetic racist

[z0sa]

lol I'm not from argentina, plus what's witht he racism

Okay then, why are you calling me out?

[ginobili's bald spot]

z0sa is just happy about being able to bandwagon, leave him alone guys

[z0sa]

you too, gbs?

:whine

[TheMACHINE]

you too, gbs?

:whine

unfortunately, HarlemHo took the presidency of the San Antonio Heat club...you can be vice president.

[ffadicted]

Okay then, why are you calling me out?

I'm calling anyone out who's buying into this whole "Lebron cares" gimmick and believe the way he handled all this is legit and he's not a complete egomaniac starving to grow his "brand", especially the "he did it for the kids :cry" crowd

[Kevin Durant 35]

When its all said and done I think it will be like this
LeBron James>Kevin Durant>Scottie Pippen

Did you guys forget LeBron won 3 Championship awards (or whatever you call em) in high school. While nobody even know who Pippen was in high school and or college. In NBA Bron was ROY and turned his whole team around while Scottie started to play good somewhere around in his 3rd nba season & Scottie was just a sidekick next to Jordan although a really good one. While LeBron will always be the 1 on the team.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

lol butthurt over 2 clear jokes I made specifically to point out why you shouldn't be such a pathetic racist


lol thinking my internet racism is any more serious than yours is

[z0sa]

I'm calling anyone out who's buying into this whole "Lebron cares" gimmick and believe the way he handled all this is legit and he's not a complete egomaniac starving to grow his "brand", especially the "he did it for the kids :cry" crowd

I didn't say shit about LeBron caring, conceded that his press conference was worthy of criticism, and in terms of him being a complete egomaniac, well, what superstar isn't? He's still got the all the right reasons for doing this, and it actually sort of, you know, presents a challenge to the whole egomaniac thing.

[z0sa]

lol thinking my internet racism is any more serious than yours is

lol thousands of racist slurs because you are a racist, then denying it

[TheMACHINE]

When its all said and done I think it will be like this
LeBron James>Kevin Durant>Scottie Pippen

Did you guys forget LeBron won 3 Championship awards (or whatever you call em) in high school. While nobody even know who Pippen was in high school and or college. In NBA Bron was ROY and turned his whole team around while Scottie started to play good somewhere around in his 3rd nba season & Scottie was just a sidekick next to Jordan although a really good one. While LeBron will always be the 1 on the team.

scottie pippen 6 rings as #2...Lebron has 0 rings as #2.

[JJ Hickson]

z0sa is just happy about being able to bandwagon, leave him alone guys

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

lol thousands of racist slurs because you are a racist, then denying it


it's the internet, the whole point is to have fun, not to be serious. lol if you think those racial slurs are serious.

[z0sa]

it's the internet, the whole point is to have fun, not to be serious. lol if you think those racial slurs are serious.

:lol you have fun racially slurring and yet you're not a racist?

You dumbass.

[BadOdor]

:lol you have fun racially slurring and yet you're not a racist?

You dumbass.

Are you saying your creationist shtick was actually serious??!!

Holy shit.

LOL CREATIONIST.

[Kevin Durant 35]

scottie pippen 6 rings as #2...Lebron has 0 rings as #2.

Right now LeBron has zero but his whole is future ahead of him dont forget his only 25

[z0sa]

Are you saying your creationist shtick was actually serious??!!

Probably not as serious as that time you advocated murdering people with more ambition than you (everyone)

[BadOdor]

Probably not as serious as that time you advocated murdering people with more ambition than you (everyone)

lol seriously believing in creationism.

lol still butthurt about that dumb bitch

lol jesus

[z0sa]

lol still butthurt

:lol that's rather ironic since I haven't said a word about "creationism" (which is wrong) in over 2 years.

[BadOdor]

:lol that's rather ironic since I haven't said a word about "creationism" (which is wrong) in over 2 years.

So you're saying you're not a creationist anymore?:rollin:rollin

[z0sa]

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whose troll are you?

[TheMACHINE]

Right now LeBron has zero but his whole is future ahead of him dont forget his only 25

lets discuss that when it happens.

[Kevin Durant 35]

lets discuss that when it happens.

Thats why these type of conversation are pointless talking about. Because we never know what if LeBron breaks his leg and has a career ending injury or what if Wade gets injured and LeBron still somehow leads Heat to the Finals and wins a Ring
You never know

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

:lol you have fun racially slurring and yet you're not a racist?

You dumbass.


God damn you're logic is too stupid for words.