Noooo, Spurs re-sign Bonner

[objective]

If Pop has transferred his undeserved man-love obsession from Finley to Bonner after Finley spurned him, fine.

Pay Bonner his ridiculous yearly salary. Take a bath with him in a tub filled with hundred dollar bills using hoagies as luffas while Okkervil River plays romantically on the mp3 stereo, it's all good. Whisper regular season Plus/Minus numbers with giggles, mix in breathy recitations of regular season 3 point percentages with raised eyebrows. I'm happy for them.

But FOUR YEARS?

FOUR DAMN YEARS?

For a guy who is already 30?

What the F?

There is nobody with a neutral pov on this earth or any other alternate dimension earth who could possibly, EVER, think that Bonner just NEEDED 4 years.

What, if you didn't give him 4 years he was gonna walk? LET HIM WALK over his fourth damn year.

I don't give a damn if it's only partially guaranteed or a team option as could be the case.

WHY give him 4 years? Were the Spurs afraid that he would be poached after a 2 year deal when he's 32? Oh no!

Spurs just aren't serious about contending to get into the Finals anymore. They've slipped into Nash territory, where 'the journey is more important than the destination' and you don't care about winning as long you spend the time with the redheaded people you care most about.

[rmt]

OT - how did I earn SpursTalk cash? How does one go about betting? I don't see the answers in the ST FAQ

[ElNono]

OT - how did I earn SpursTalk cash? How does one go about betting? I don't see the answers in the ST FAQ

You can use them in the casino. Or you can wait for the regular season, where vBookies are available to bet. I think everybody gets a bit of cash here and there every once in a while.

[rascal]

Go to casino then vbookie for bets during the season. I dont see anything up now for bets.

[Danny.Zhu]

The new contract is expected to exceed the annual salary of $3.2 million he earned last season.

WTF...I would only be ok with it if he get a vet-min.

[Ginobilly]

WTF Spurs??? Are you fucking kidding me? Is Matt Bonner boning the owners daughter ALA triple H?

[Chucho]

Real intelligent analysis...

It suits the signing.




I'd like to ask all the Bonner haters a serious question. Is there anything he does that you think is helpful to the team? If you respond with smartass comments and nothing else then it proves my point that you know nothing about NBA basketball. If all you're doing is just hating on someone then you shouldn't be offering any meaningful opinions on the team's acquisitions.

Sadly, the only people truly knowledgeable about NBA basketball are those whom have worked, played or somehow been involved with the NBA. And about 99.9% of the members of this forum don't meet that requisite. And even more sadly, besides the few truly knowledgeable posters, some people become quite arrogant with their "knowledge" to the point where they try and put people down whom they deem inferior in basketball knowledge in reality they are they same as the person they slammed. They are just fans and speculators like the other thousand or so posters on this board. So how many teams have you played for, coached or GM'd? Who pays you for your superior analysis? Good lord, it's the people like you who take the fun out of sports for some people because you seem to think you know more than others when you're just an observer like the rest of us. And until you play in the L, coach in the L or become paid for your analysis please, you and the people like you, kindly shut the fuck up. Or you can at least be polite or courteous with your "knowledge" like some of the more respectable posters here.





P.S....Bonner sucks.

[HankChinaski]

I just spoke with Matt Bonner and told him of the disapproval of him from fans. He had this to say.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/UbikRex/MattBoonerStrikes.gif

[Russ]

I'm sick of these scurillous non-basketball attacks on Matt Bonner.

I have a basketball question regarding Bonner.

If Bonner were to die in a tragic accident (before he signed), would he count against the Spurs' salary cap?

[TJastal]

I just spoke with Matt Bonner and told him of the disapproval of him from fans. He had this to say.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/UbikRex/MattBoonerStrikes.gif

:lmao

[slick'81]

P6LJwaYi-nU

[Birn]

He writes a damn fine sandwich blog. He also gives Dice the opportunity to rest during the regular season. That's probably worth $1.5m/season max.

Thanks for proving my point. You know absolutely nothing about putting an NBA team together.

[itzsoweezee]

further proof that the so called "genius" of the front office is now living in Oklahoma City.

What a joke of franchise the Spurs have become.

Absolutely PATHETIC.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Bonner and RJ back = 3 players on this team taller than 6-7 = no defense = no title= tim_duncan_fan pissed off rant = sequ quits team another 20 times this year = pop apologists saying small ball is a necessary evil = Bonner playing more than Splitter = RJ playing more than Anderson = Spurs make playoffs for no reason while Lakers win West again = Lakers get to play against the super-team while we get no lotto pick = spurs dominance dies off for good = spurstalk sad


Thanks in advance to Richard Allen Jefferson and Matthew Robert Bonner for ruining the Spurs' season 2 years in a row.

[Birn]

It suits the signing.





Sadly, the only people truly knowledgeable about NBA basketball are those whom have worked, played or somehow been involved with the NBA. And about 99.9% of the members of this forum don't meet that requisite. And even more sadly, besides the few truly knowledgeable posters, some people become quite arrogant with their "knowledge" to the point where they try and put people down whom they deem inferior in basketball knowledge in reality they are they same as the person they slammed. They are just fans and speculators like the other thousand or so posters on this board. So how many teams have you played for, coached or GM'd? Who pays you for your superior analysis? Good lord, it's the people like you who take the fun out of sports for some people because you seem to think you know more than others when you're just an observer like the rest of us. And until you play in the L, coach in the L or become paid for your analysis please, you and the people like you, kindly shut the fuck up. Or you can at least be polite or courteous with your "knowledge" like some of the more respectable posters here.





P.S....Bonner sucks.

I think your comments clearly show your ignorance and lack of maturity about not only NBA basketball but about acting like a civilized person. How old are you? 13? You've obviously shown you have no capacity to string together any coherent thoughts about constructing a team in today's NBA.

I would suggest you go back to your room. The adults are talking in here.

[ElNono]

Thanks for proving my point. You know absolutely nothing about putting an NBA team together.

But you do? okay

[Birn]

Bonner and RJ back = 3 players on this team taller than 6-7 = no defense = no title= tim_duncan_fan pissed off rant = sequ quits team another 20 times this year = pop apologists saying small ball is a necessary evil = Bonner playing more than Splitter = RJ playing more than Anderson = Spurs make playoffs for no reason while Lakers win West again = Lakers get to play against the super-team while we get no lotto pick = spurs dominance dies off for good = spurstalk sad


Thanks in advance to Richard Allen Jefferson and Matthew Robert Bonner for ruining the Spurs' season 2 years in a row.

Sounds good! Why don't you go ahead and leave then? Go root for somebody else. Nobody forcing you to root for this team.

[ElNono]

You didn't even know how many games we played against the Lakers, but you know how to put together an NBA team...

okay

[TDMVPDPOY]

wtf give him a raise..

shouldve just given him minimum long term contract or trade his ass

[Spurologist]

but but but but Matt Boner can always turn it around

[Mark in Austin]

I'm sick of these scurillous non-basketball attacks on Matt Bonner.

I have a basketball question regarding Bonner.

If Bonner were to die in a tragic accident (before he signed), would he count against the Spurs' salary cap?

No. But he does have a current 6.5M cap hold, so my guess is legally that would stay on until the right paperwork is filed. (But in the meantime all the other spurs would get A's for the season...)

[tim_duncan_fan]

Sounds good! Why don't you go ahead and leave then? Go root for somebody else. Nobody forcing you to root for this team.

Hey you! New guy! Yeah you, Birn!

I've been here for 3 years and probably a couple more as a lurker. I'm not going anywhere and I don't need some asshole checking my fanhood. I don't usually do the post-count thing, but you have 32 posts...buzz the fuck off.

As if my rant wasn't completely warranted. Bonner and RJ fucking suck. And RJ really, literally does...or so I hear.

[timtonymanu]

What a fucking joke!

It's enough bringing Boner back but to give him a lot of money and a 4 year contract?

WTF has he done to be a long term Spur? Oh well I guess the FO wanted to overpay somebody like teams have been so far.

Bonner, you got your contract. Now play like you deserve it. Stop acting like a scared teenager on the court.

[EIC]

Fuck this shit. I got 11 pages into this thread before giving up and jumping to the end.

Bonner is making out like a bandit and you can tell from his comments that he knows it. He was lucky to get the deal he had before and is un-fucking-believably lucky to get this new deal. It's like he can't believe he was a hair from being out on the street selling cars and won the fucking lottery because the Spurs FO is too stupid to cut his ass lose. I guarantee that if the Spurs had not picked him up, he would have gotten nothing more than the vet min from another team. This guy literally must have a horseshoe crammed up his ass.

Bonner looks like an SNL exaggerated parity of a shitty basketball player: Pasty white, red hair, slightly chubby, un-athletic as all get out, flailing around the court like a lost puppy, pussing out on wide open looks, getting posterized on the other team's jumpers, picking up fouls like a vacuum cleaner, and basically failing to do anything productive whatsoever.

Part of me wants to fight on as a Spurs fan and stick by the team. Another part of me feels like the team needs to be held accountable for bad decisions and that there needs to be a consequence for doing something so incredibly stupid.

I can't stop thinking about how frustrating it will be to repeatedly see the Spurs on a hot streak up by 6 on a decent team, only for Bonner to check in and spark a 9-0 run for the other team. I just don't know how much more of that I can take.

[sabar]

Eh, any spurs fan should of seen this coming a long ways away. Shock is unwarranted. The FO loves the guy.

[Dro210]

Fuck this shit. I got 11 pages into this thread before giving up and jumping to the end.

Bonner is making out like a bandit and you can tell from his comments that he knows it. He was lucky to get the deal he had before and is un-fucking-believably lucky to get this new deal. It's like he can't believe he was a hair from being out on the street selling cars and won the fucking lottery because the Spurs FO is too stupid to cut his ass lose. I guarantee that if the Spurs had not picked him up, he would have gotten nothing more than the vet min from another team. This guy literally must have a horseshoe crammed up his ass.

Bonner looks like an SNL exaggerated parity of a shitty basketball player: Pasty white, red hair, slightly chubby, un-athletic as all get out, flailing around the court like a lost puppy, pussing out on wide open looks, getting posterized on the other team's jumpers, picking up fouls like a vacuum cleaner, and basically failing to do anything productive whatsoever.

Part of me wants to fight on as a Spurs fan and stick by the team. Another part of me feels like the team needs to be held accountable for bad decisions and that there needs to be a consequence for doing something so incredibly stupid.

I can't stop thinking about how frustrating it will be to repeatedly see the Spurs on a hot streak up by 6 on a decent team, only for Bonner to check in and spark a 9-0 run for the other team. I just don't know how much more of that I can take.

Nice post.... :toast

[mystargtr34]

This made me feel a little queezy... seriously.

I mean... i can understand having Bonner as the 5th/6th big for around $2-3M a year over two years. But having him for four years and giving him a pay rise when he hasnt shown up for the Spurs real season since he has been here, im actually flabbergasted.. surprised really doesnt do it justice.

Unbelievable.

[ohmwrecker]

Bonner looks like an SNL exaggerated parity of a shitty basketball player: Pasty white, red hair, slightly chubby, un-athletic as all get out, flailing around the court like a lost puppy, pussing out on wide open looks, getting posterized on the other team's jumpers, picking up fouls like a vacuum cleaner, and basically failing to do anything productive whatsoever.

Will Ferrell in Semi-Pro? Matt Bonner should be forced to take granny-style free throws for robbing the Spurs blind.

[EIC]

Will Ferrell in Semi-Pro? Matt Bonner should be forced to take granny-style free throws for robbing the Spurs blind.

http://annehelenpetersen.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/semi-pro-2-1024.jpg

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Decent stretch 4s, which Matt is, are rare. But I thought it was time to go in a new direction.

Could be worse, although it's very surprising he got a raise! :lmao

[ElNono]

In retrospect, he would have been a great fit for Dallas... amazing regular season, and guaranteed choking in the playoffs...

[florige]

In retrospect, he would have been a great fit for Dallas... amazing regular season, and guaranteed choking in the playoffs...

He did hit a couple of clutch threes's though. You have to give our FO a break, we are steal healing from the whole Miami debacle.

[Borosai]

Bonner --> Laimbeer II = Championship!

[TDMVPDPOY]

bonner daylight fkn bandit

[Mr. Body]

This guy must get overpaid by about 20x what any other team would pay him. It's amazing.

[angelbelow]

Sounds good! Why don't you go ahead and leave then? Go root for somebody else. Nobody forcing you to root for this team.

Lol Bonner only does ONE thing well. And thats shooting the 3. He doesn't rebound well, he doesnt defend well (albeit he gives the effort), his b-ball IQ seems average at best, he doesnt pass well... If Bonners shot is off hes essentially useless on both ends. If his shot is on then hes useful only when open on offensive. I think either way hes a big liability on both ends. He also appears to struggle with his shooting in the playoffs and at times he even looks nervous.

In this upcoming season, Bonner will likely be our 5th big off the bench and 3-4 million is overpaying for such a player. He deserves what Brian Cook got which is 2 years 2.5 million. Whats worst is that he has a goofy personality and doesnt appear to take himself too seriously, so hes never gonna have that enforcer reputation, which would probably help his stock. hes too soft to play the 4/5.

BTW, The way that youre defending Bonner, or the lack of, makes me think youre just trolling. Youre calling everyone else out for blindly bashing Bonner and but I dont see you giving good reasons why hes good.

[Obstructed_View]

WTF has he done to be a long term Spur?

Showed up when Pop was desperately looking for someone to replace Robert Horry?

[tim_duncan_fan]

WTF is a stretch 4 anyway?

I'd never heard of that til Pop started this "all small-ball all the time" shit.


smh

The Pop of '99-'05 is rolling over in his grave.

[TDMVPDPOY]

we basically outbid ourselves when he wasnt gettin any offers....

[analyzed]

I havent really seen the reports confirming the terms of the deal ( length and amount) if indeed he is getting a raise for 3 to 4 years, that simply does not make any sense anyway you look at it. Unless a sign and trade is coming

[taps]

Ah screw it good luck Matt I'm rootin fer ya

There are 7 players including 3 defensive bigs ahead of him in the PO rotation and he will have to compete with dejuan & anderson for mins at spots 8-10 theoretically.

i want to be mad at this but i can't. More worried about rj's desire to fit in

[Spurs Brazil]

Bonner admits his first foray into unrestricted free agency was a bit nerve-fraying. He wouldn't want to do it every summer.

“The whole time, I didn't know what was going to happen,” Bonner said. “But deep down, I knew I wanted to come back to the Spurs.”

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/bonner_agrees_to_re-sign_with_spurs_98155049.html?showFullArticle=y

[Whisky Dog]

Of course he wanted to come back. The Spurs don't hold him accountable for disappearing in the playoffs. I wish I could just underperform greatly in my job and keep getting raises not to mention millions of dollars too.

[xapatan2]

And now, let' trade Tony Parker !!!
:downspin:
:downspin:

[xapatan2]

Sorry :)

Could'nt restrain myself from doing it :lol

Xap'

[galvatron3000]

Dorrell Wright earned 2 million last year, Spurs could have signed him for what they paying Bonner, this dude is 24 years old, 6'9 and a small forward that can shoot the 3. What are we thinking

[silverblk mystix]

Fuck this shit. I got 11 pages into this thread before giving up and jumping to the end.

Bonner is making out like a bandit and you can tell from his comments that he knows it. He was lucky to get the deal he had before and is un-fucking-believably lucky to get this new deal. It's like he can't believe he was a hair from being out on the street selling cars and won the fucking lottery because the Spurs FO is too stupid to cut his ass lose. I guarantee that if the Spurs had not picked him up, he would have gotten nothing more than the vet min from another team. This guy literally must have a horseshoe crammed up his ass.

Bonner looks like an SNL exaggerated parity of a shitty basketball player: Pasty white, red hair, slightly chubby, un-athletic as all get out, flailing around the court like a lost puppy, pussing out on wide open looks, getting posterized on the other team's jumpers, picking up fouls like a vacuum cleaner, and basically failing to do anything productive whatsoever.

Part of me wants to fight on as a Spurs fan and stick by the team. Another part of me feels like the team needs to be held accountable for bad decisions and that there needs to be a consequence for doing something so incredibly stupid.

I can't stop thinking about how frustrating it will be to repeatedly see the Spurs on a hot streak up by 6 on a decent team, only for Bonner to check in and spark a 9-0 run for the other team. I just don't know how much more of that I can take.



THIS.

Geez, I have been a spurs fan for a loooong time---through winning,losing,ABA,etc....

Whew...it is very hard to take another season like last season...i felt exactly as you described...spurs take a 6-8 point lead..chemistry is starting to click---then out of the fucking blue---pop will substitute (usually--takes out the guy that just hit 3 or 4 shots in a row---) ...for MATT FUCKIN WORTHLESS BONNER---


And the opponent goes on a run...end of momentum...end of story...

and POP did this with FINLEY....and ...and FUCKIN' BOGANS....


OH WAIT...I almost forgot....Roger Fuckin' BRICK MASON....WTF? IS GOING ON IN POP'S HEAD?????


This is hard to take...

[Chomag]

Oh I got it!!! Spurs FO figured if they pay Matt Bonner like he is a very good player he will be a good player.

[hitmanyr2k]

31g0YE61PLQ

:lol :lol :lol This is the first thing that popped into my head when I saw this thread. I knew someone was gonna post it. Bonner even resembles Tobey quite a bit.

I had a similar reaction when we signed Boozer.

[mudyez]

good signing!











wait!...Bonner is the big redhead guy and not they player NY, CHI, NJ and so on where chasing?

[underdawg]

Dorrell Wright earned 2 million last year, Spurs could have signed him for what they paying Bonner, this dude is 24 years old, 6'9 and a small forward that can shoot the 3. What are we thinking

come on now - boner was 28th in 3pt % and Dorell was only 31st

[superbigtime]

I am so disgusted to have learned this shitty news. Dude is getting 4 years???? He is weak weak weak and so are the morons in the front office. Sign him maybe for the minimum when all other possibilities are exhausted. NOBODY would have signed this guy for what the Spurs gave him. STUPID. FUCK!

[ohmwrecker]

I guess the Spurs saw the potential in that nifty little running hook he developed last year and those . . . two dunks?

[Death In June]

I think Bonner supporters forget just how many open looks Bonner gets and how many times he manages to fail in critical situations. Maybe they do realize it, and it's just some sort of cognitive dissonance.

[rmt]

Ah screw it good luck Matt I'm rootin fer ya

There are 7 players including 3 defensive bigs ahead of him in the PO rotation and he will have to compete with dejuan & anderson for mins at spots 8-10 theoretically.

i want to be mad at this but i can't. More worried about rj's desire to fit in

I'm mad about this. RJ is the only true SF on the team. He can walk and the Spurs would be in a world of trouble. Even if he's a bad fit, Spurs have no way of replacing him with a starting quality SF.

That's not the case with Bonner. He can walk and we'd still have 4 options before him. Why pay 3.5-4mil a year for 4 years? At that price, Pop will play Bonner to the detriment of Blair and Splitter, both of whom should have as much time as possible on court to develop/adjust. And Blair has more talent, feel for the game and heart than Bonner. All Bonner can do is hit 3s 38% of the time in the rs.

[galvatron3000]

come on now - boner was 28th in 3pt % and Dorell was only 31st

one has room for growth at 24 years old, one has proven his limitations. Also, YOUTH

[SenorSpur]

THIS.

Geez, I have been a spurs fan for a loooong time---through winning,losing,ABA,etc....

Whew...it is very hard to take another season like last season...i felt exactly as you described...spurs take a 6-8 point lead..chemistry is starting to click---then out of the fucking blue---pop will substitute (usually--takes out the guy that just hit 3 or 4 shots in a row---) ...for MATT FUCKIN WORTHLESS BONNER---


And the opponent goes on a run...end of momentum...end of story...

and POP did this with FINLEY....and ...and FUCKIN' BOGANS....


OH WAIT...I almost forgot....Roger Fuckin' BRICK MASON....WTF? IS GOING ON IN POP'S HEAD?????


This is hard to take...

^ This

For all the good decisions the FO makes, they seem to outhink themselves by taking 2 steps backwards in making stupid-ass decisions like this. There was nothing in Bonner performance this past season, and for that matter the one before that, to indicate that he deserved another shot with this team.

For a team with limited financial flexibility, like the Spurs, they needed to spend their dollars wisely. This was nowhere near a wise decision. It's so obvious they needed to upgrades at both the SF and PF positions. Meaning they needed to part ways with Bonner.

It's the same prolonged experiment with Finley. Pop could never get past his addiction to him as a floor-spreader. Same thing with Bonner. However like Finley, because he gives you nothing on the defensive end. Therefore, he becomes a severe liability when his shot isn't falling.

I don't know if Pop and RC are in denial or what. They obviously can see the same things that many of us see. Yet the continue this morbid fascniation with a player, who doesn't have the skills or stomach for a playoff fight. It's painful to watch because we know Duncan, Manu and Tony deserve a better supporting cast of players. Bonner DOES NOT represent that.

[Marco]

I wonder if the FO had consultation with TD on the Bonner signing.

[Kindergarten Cop]

I wonder if the FO had consultation with TD on the Bonner signing.

I'd pretty much guarantee it.

[silverblk mystix]

I wonder if the FO had consultation with TD on the Bonner signing.

PLEASE , someone tell me that TD does NOT approve---because then ---ALL IS LOST...

If TD is ok with re-signing Bonner....geez...I may have to hate TD as much as I am starting to hate Pop...

[Russ]

Why don't you homers just face the fact that Pop is a serial killer and Bonner knows everything . . .

[AFBlue]

Dorrell Wright earned 2 million last year, Spurs could have signed him for what they paying Bonner, this dude is 24 years old, 6'9 and a small forward that can shoot the 3. What are we thinking


come on now - boner was 28th in 3pt % and Dorell was only 31st

Actually, they couldn't have signed Wright for what they paid Bonner, unless they decided not to sign Splitter. It wasn't an option.

Spurs either a) signed Bonner or b) signed player with similar skill at LLE or vet min. The problem with option b is, who is that player?

[AFBlue]

Then take a fucking gamble with Richard, because Bonner has undeniable proven that he cannot hit a shot when it matters, and what follows is the other team inviting him to shoot and miss.

So an uproven 19yr old that will likely spend his entire season in Austin is a better option than Bonner all of the sudden?

[Russ]

Spurs either a) signed Bonner or b) signed player with similar skill at LLE or vet min. The problem with option b is, who is that player?

Was this Morrow guy a possibility?

[AFBlue]

How many threes did DRob shoot? Will Perdue? Kevin Willis? Rasho? Nazr?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

This has already been argued. RC Buford said on draft night..."the stretch 4 is big for us". It is what it is. Those past examples hold no bearing to the last few years or apparently the future going forward.

[SenorSpur]

This has already been argued. RC Buford said on draft night..."the stretch 4 is big for us". It is what it is. Those past examples hold no bearing to the last few years or apparently the future going forward.

The whole idea of a stretch 4 is not as important now as it was when Tim was drawing double-teams on a nightly basis. Defenders are playing him straight up, and with some measure of success. Therefore, the wide-open 3's have been greatly reduced.

One would think that if they're still that in love with a "stretch 4", they would settle on one with some semblance of athleticism.

As I've said before, I would've rather they took a chance on Tolliver, instead of regurgitating the "failed" Bonner experiment.

[ElNono]

This has already been argued. RC Buford said on draft night..."the stretch 4 is big for us". It is what it is. Those past examples hold no bearing to the last few years or apparently the future going forward.

Apparently what also holds no bearing with the past is the championship contender status. I'm certainly hoping that now that we've acquired another legitimate 7 ft power forward (or are soon to do so), the stretch 4 gets canned and we go back to actually having two towers defending the paint.

[BackHome]

Looking at whats out there and what we can afford the signing to me is not that bad. Bringing in new people it always takes a year for them to get used to our defense and offense and they pretty much suck the first year.

So keeping him gives a little stability to a team that is going to be very different this upcomming year.

Gone:
Bogans
Mason
Ian

New:
Anderson
Splitter
Temple
Gee
Hairston

Bonner is OK just as long as you play him bench minutes and you don't ask him to be your freakin center.

[AFBlue]

Apparently what also holds no bearing with the past is the championship contender status. I'm certainly hoping that now that we've acquired another legitimate 7 ft power forward (or are soon to do so), the stretch 4 gets canned and we go back to actually having two towers defending the paint.

I don't think it'll get canned, but I'd hope that it takes a backseat to the two-tower defense.

[itzsoweezee]

How do you define "No heart" and "chokes in the playoffs"? Provide specific examples. Bonner's role has always been to be a shooter...that's it. That's what morons like you don't understand. Our team desperately needs shooters. Bonner has been one of the top 5 NBA 3pt shooters over the past two seasons. You don't find 40% 3pt shooters hanging around any street corner. Our team has always won championships with shooters. Go back to Kerr, Jaren Jackson, Ferry, and Barry were all dead-eye shooters but gave us nothing on defense. I never heard anybody claim they were chokers or hard no heart. It's because their role was to be the designated gunner while on the floor. That's what Bonner's role is plain and simple. He's not being re-signed to be a defensive stopper or a shot blocker deluxe or an enforcer. His contract is very decent and doesn't hurt the team's payroll at all. We keep our MLE for Splitter and the LLE for another player. In addition, we remain well below the luxury tax.

This is a good move by the Spurs.



You Fucking moronic piece of shit. Shooting 40% when you're wide open during the regular season means absolutely NOTHING. Boner is absolutely horrible in the playoffs. He's had many chances to prove otherwise. It's not a fluke. The guy is a gutless bitch. FUck him and fuck you.

[ElNono]

I don't think it'll get canned, but I'd hope that it takes a backseat to the two-tower defense.

Here's to hoping...:toast

[AFBlue]

Here's to hoping...:toast

I'm also hoping that Dice steps up his game (mostly his understanding of the system), and Blair develops his perimeter shooting/defense to the point where Bonner truly becomes a situational player. Those two may not stretch the defense to the three-point line, but if they can stretch it to 18-20ft, hopefully that's enough.

Here's to hoping...:toast

BTW, I'm still apathetic about this deal because it didn't change the outcome of the roster this off-season and it's doubtful that it changes the roster in future seasons.

[Sigz]

I fucking hate Matt Bonner. I don't know what it is..

Maybe it's because he's a ginger.

Maybe because he looks like a faggot running the court.

Maybe it's because of his t-rex arms.

Maybe it's because he gets worked by whoever he's guarding.

Maybe it's because he's the most un-athletic NBA player in the league.

Maybe it's because he keeps fucking choking in the playoffs.


..... but everything about that white boy pisses me the fuck off.

[Buddy Holly]

I know I'm late to the party but...

http://i35.tinypic.com/2lsvdea.jpg

[rmt]

Looking at whats out there and what we can afford the signing to me is not that bad. Bringing in new people it always takes a year for them to get used to our defense and offense and they pretty much suck the first year.

So keeping him gives a little stability to a team that is going to be very different this upcomming year.

Gone:
Bogans
Mason
Ian

New:
Anderson
Splitter
Temple
Gee
Hairston

Bonner is OK just as long as you play him bench minutes and you don't ask him to be your freakin center.

The Spurs should not hang on to dead weight like Bonner for the sake of stability. I think I'd prefer Mason as long as he not playing pg. At least he had the ability to hit some big shots in big regular season games. And he doesn't compromise the interior defense as Bonner does.

I can't remember 1 big shot that Bonner's ever hit - regular season much less during the playoffs. I'd take my chances with Duncan over Bonner if we need a 3 in the playoffs.

If Shaq doesn't go to the Heat and there's the slightest chance that he might go to SA, re-signing Bonner jeopardizes that chance. I don't think Shaq's ego could stomach being on a team where Matt Bonner is making twice as much as he is and 6 bigs? Not enough minutes to go around.

Does anyone think that Bonner being re-signed is the front office's over-reaction to the Spurs being swept by the Suns and the barrage of 3s rained down on them - especially by Channing Frye?

[Dro210]

Actually, you can find people who can shoot 40% from 3 when wide open, under no pressure on just about any court in the world..... it's people who can play at an NBA level in other areas and still do that, that are hard to find. Bonner doesn't fall into that catagory.

[TJastal]

I fucking hate Matt Bonner. I don't know what it is..

Maybe it's because he's a ginger.

Maybe because he looks like a faggot running the court.

Maybe it's because of his t-rex arms.

Maybe it's because he gets worked by whoever he's guarding.

Maybe it's because he's the most un-athletic NBA player in the league.

Maybe it's because he keeps fucking choking in the playoffs.


..... but everything about that white boy pisses me the fuck off.

:lmao

I don't hate the guy, I feel sorry for him. His shooting mechanics are so terrible its not hard to see why his shot always fails him with any amount of defensive pressure or any type of pressure really (playoffs, etc)

Defensively, the officials don't allow the guy to body anybody, contest shots (almost guaranteed foul if Bonner's arm/hand is even close to the shooter)

And confidence is everything with this guy, and unfortunately it tends to dissappear at the most important times.

[SenorSpur]

I don't hate him either. I just think it was time to move on from him. One would that because of the FO's assinine allegiance to this guy, you would think that he WAS actually a Robert Horry-type contributor. He's actually been quite the opposite.

[TJastal]

The Spurs should not hang on to dead weight like Bonner for the sake of stability. I think I'd prefer Mason as long as he not playing pg. At least he had the ability to hit some big shots in big regular season games. And he doesn't compromise the interior defense as Bonner does.

I can't remember 1 big shot that Bonner's ever hit - regular season much less during the playoffs. I'd take my chances with Duncan over Bonner if we need a 3 in the playoffs.

If Shaq doesn't go to the Heat and there's the slightest chance that he might go to SA, re-signing Bonner jeopardizes that chance. I don't think Shaq's ego could stomach being on a team where Matt Bonner is making twice as much as he is and 6 bigs? Not enough minutes to go around.

Does anyone think that Bonner being re-signed is the front office's over-reaction to the Spurs being swept by the Suns and the barrage of 3s rained down on them - especially by Channing Frye?

Could be. Very likely. Thing is, Frye's shooting mechanics are much more sound and the guy is 3x the athlete of Bonner which makes him a much more capable defender who doesn't also have a bullseye on his back with the officials. Better passer too. How the spurs' F.O. thinks Bonner is worth almost as much as Frye is beyond me.

[tim_duncan_fan]

I don't hate him either. I just think it was time to move on from him. One would that because of the FO's assinine allegiance to this guy, you would think that he WAS actually a Robert Horry-type contributor. He's actually been quite the opposite.

I hate him!

And I wonder....



If Matt Bonner suddenly "disappears," would we be able to recoup that money pledged to him and sign some one else??? :cooldevil



:flipoff Fuck you, Matt Bonner!

[Ice009]

:lmao

I don't hate the guy, I feel sorry for him. His shooting mechanics are so terrible its not hard to see why his shot always fails him with any amount of defensive pressure or any type of pressure really (playoffs, etc)

Defensively, the officials don't allow the guy to body anybody, contest shots (almost guaranteed foul if Bonner's arm/hand is even close to the shooter)

And confidence is everything with this guy, and unfortunately it tends to dissappear at the most important times.

EXCELLENT POST. I've been going on about Bonner's shooting mechanics a lot last season.

People wonder why he can't hit a shot under any sort of pressure and I really do think it's got a lot to do with his really terrible shooting mechanics. Add a little loss of confidence to those shooting mechanics and you've got some shots that are NOT EVEN CLOSE in pressure situations.

The other stuff about fouls is pretty spot on too. I've also said Bonner is an escort service, and an AND1 machine for the other team. You are also correct that a lot of those fouls are BS, but the fact that they call them all the time just shows that the refs don't respect him at all and they likely never will. A lot of this isn't Matt Bonner's fault, but it is still a detriment to the team and the Spurs should know all this, yet they have given him a raise. Why?

[Kindergarten Cop]

How the spurs' F.O. thinks Bonner is worth almost as much as Frye is beyond me.

:wow

The Spurs (reportedly) are getting Bonner for basically half of what Frye got. How is that worth almost as much?

[Kindergarten Cop]

I hate him!

And I wonder....



If Matt Bonner suddenly "disappears," would we be able to recoup that money pledged to him and sign some one else??? :cooldevil



:flipoff Fuck you, Matt Bonner!

Unfortunately, signing Bonner is not using up any of our Exceptions since we have his Bird Rights.

[lefty]

http://gingershavenosouls.com/images/red_head_child-12005_h8v1.jpg

[TJastal]

:wow

The Spurs (reportedly) are getting Bonner for basically half of what Frye got. How is that worth almost as much?

Half of Frye's new salary would have been what Bonner earned last season. Hate to break it to you, but Bonner's new contract calls for a significant raise.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Half of Frye's new salary would have been what Bonner earned last season. Hate to break it to you, but Bonner's new contract calls for a significant raise.

Frye just signed a 5 yr/$30M deal. Bonner's new deal is "reportedly" slightly more than what he made last year - most believing it to be 4 yr/~$14M-$15M. Are you insinuating that Bonner's deal will be significantly more than that? If so and you end up being right, I'll cross sides and grab a torch and pitchfork with you. :toast

[4>0rings]

Got damn it fuck this mofo!

[4>0rings]

Frye just signed a 5 yr/$30M deal. Bonner made $3.2M last year, so how is that half of Frye's new deal? Bonner's new deal is "reportedly" slightly more than what he made last year - most believing it to be 4 yr/~$14M-$15M. Are you insinuating that Bonner's deal will be significantly more than that? If so and you end up being right, I'll cross sides and grab a torch and pitchfork with you. :toastWho would of signed Bonner besides his sandwich eating grandma?

[Kindergarten Cop]

Who would of signed Bonner besides his sandwich eating grandma?

There were four teams supposedly interested, but I guess to answer your question ... the Spurs. :(

Anyways, how do you know his grandma eats sandwiches? :lol

[m33p0]

Matt Bonner haters are gonna blow their brains out coz they know he's gonna have a few of those games where he will absolutely shoot the lights out. and because of that, Pop will play him more. it has always happened. and it's gonna happen again.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Matt Bonner haters are gonna blow their brains out coz they know he's gonna have a few of those games where he will absolutely shoot the lights out. and because of that, Pop will play him more. it has always happened. and it's gonna happen again.

You're probably right - but I hope that those few games that he shoots the lights out come in the Playoffs for a change.

[SenorSpur]

Matt Bonner haters are gonna blow their brains out coz they know he's gonna have a few of those games where he will absolutely shoot the lights out. and because of that, Pop will play him more. it has always happened. and it's gonna happen again.

Unfortunately for Bonner, those "lights out" shooting performances that you're speaking of, will probably come during meaningless regular season games versus the likes of the Clippers, Kings or Warriors. Nobody is gonna "blow their brains out" or get excited about a steller shooting performance by Bonner against the "dregs" of the NBA.

We ALL know that Bonner has proven incapable of shooting well during the playoffs. In fact, the bigger the game, the more he shrinks. Why Pop and the coaching staff choose to ignore this fact, is beyond me?

[SenorSpur]

Who would of signed Bonner besides his sandwich eating grandma?

Not sure. I'm not convinced a true championship team would want Bonner. As financially conscious as the Spurs are, I also never thought they would be the team to "overpay" for a fringe rotation player like Bonner.

[sabar]

I hope cliff-jumping fans are ready for some 15-20 mpg Bonner action. Gut feeling also says that Splitter wont play next to Duncan as much as people hope.

How much does the FO value spacing? Best case is Splitter just plain outplays Bonner and Pop has no choice but to limit bon-bon. This offseason is too long, I want to know what Pop is going to do now, not in November....

[TJastal]

Matt Bonner haters are gonna blow their brains out coz they know he's gonna have a few of those games where he will absolutely shoot the lights out. and because of that, Pop will play him more. it has always happened. and it's gonna happen again.

Probably. He'll be confident Matt Bonner until something happens to dislodge that confidence (a pressure filled playoff game for example) and he'll curl up into a fetal position and transform into Matt Boner: man who cannot shoot, pass, or otherwise dribble without a turnover.

[Capt Bringdown]

This is a monumental failure perhaps only surpassed by the Scola disaster.
I guess the Spurs FO figures it's not even worth trying anymore.

[J_Paco]

Bonner supporters will be ecstatic when he becomes a rotation player again two seasons from now. I'm so happy that Bonner will be replacing McDyess once he retires. Then we'll be blessed to see Bonner get out-rebounded and scored upon time after time. He'll be 32 then, so he'll be in his athletic prime to be a Spur. Maybe they'll even bring him back as a defensive coach?

What about Ryan Richard? Well, he'll remain overseas for the next year or two. Then, he'll need a little bit of developing and familiarity with the Spurs system, so he'll play in Austin for a year or two. Pop still won't trust his raw talent over Matt Bonner's superior "corporate knowledge." So, he'll ride the pine until Matt's contract is up in 2014.

It'll look like Ryan's chance is finally here with Matt finally off the roster. But, Ryan's a free-agent too because the Spurs failed to pick up his minuscule option. Pop and R.C. not feeling comfortable with letting a guy go with such strong "corporate knowledge," plus the ability to stretch the court for Splitter/Blair, will rather resign their grizzled veteran Bonner to a 3 year/$9 million deal.

Get ready for 34-year old Bonner and his three-point marksmanship for another three years.

:clap:clap:clap:danceclub

[TJastal]

Bonner supporters will be ecstatic when he becomes a rotation player again two seasons from now. I'm so happy that Bonner will be replacing McDyess once he retires. Then we'll be blessed to see Bonner get out-rebounded and scored upon time after time. He'll be 32 then, so he'll be in his athletic prime to be a Spur. Maybe they'll even bring him back as a defensive coach?

What about Ryan Richard? Well, he'll remain overseas for the next year or two. Then, he'll need a little bit of developing and familiarity with the Spurs system, so he'll play in Austin for a year or two. Pop still won't trust his raw talent over Matt Bonner's superior "corporate knowledge." So, he'll ride the pine until Matt's contract is up in 2014.

It'll look like Ryan's chance is finally here with Matt finally off the roster. But, Ryan's a free-agent too because the Spurs failed to pick up his minuscule option. Pop and R.C. not feeling comfortable with letting a guy go with such strong "corporate knowledge," plus the ability to stretch the court for Splitter/Blair, will rather resign their grizzled veteran Bonner to a 3 year/$9 million deal.

Get ready for 34-year old Bonner and his three-point marksmanship for another three years.

:clap:clap:clap:danceclub

By that time (Bonner resigns in 2013) Grizzly Blair will be long gone, having demanded a trade somewhere else where he can get steady PT.

[J_Paco]

By that time (Bonner resigns in 2013) Grizzly Blair will be long gone, having demanded a trade somewhere else where he can get steady PT.


Yet, I'm okay with that because the three-point king will still be here. Long live Matt Bonner, long live our three-point champion!!!!

He's so damn great, he doesn't even need to play defense or rebound the ball!!

Hopefully, in 2012 they trade Timmy to bring in players to support Matt and his great shooting.

[TJastal]

Yet, I'm okay with that because the three-point king will still be here. Long live Matt Bonner, long live our three-point champion!!!!

He's so damn great, he doesn't even need to play defense or rebound the ball!!

Hopefully, in 2012 they trade Timmy to bring in players to support Matt and his great shooting.

:lol

Matty will have Splitter, that should be enough by Pop's standards. Pop will be content having Splitter holding the interior fort by himself. He'll be an nba burnout by age 30 and developing arthritis and knee problems by then. But thank god we'll have a still healthy Matty Bonner notching his yearly 40% from 3pt.

[J_Paco]

:lol

Matty will have Splitter, that should be enough by Pop's standards. Pop will be content having Splitter holding the fort down by himself. He'll be an nba burnout by age 30 and developing arthritis and knee problems by then. But thank god we'll have a still healthy Matty Bonner to cheer for.

Nah, Matt deserves a life-time contract. He's shooting has brought us so much over the years. Like the time he..........................

Oh, and Pop should throw this wrinkle into the offense. Pop should isolate Matt at the top of the circle (ala Dirk) and let him create for others. I believe in him just like the Pop and R.C. do. Nobody does it better than Bonner can!!!!!!!!


If he's playing well, I see Popovich giving him approximately 25 minutes per night, which would give Splitter the following averages: 9.7 points, 6 rebounds, 1.4 assists and 0.6 blocks.

If that's all we're expecting from Tiago, then I see why Bonner was re-upped. Matt can get those numbers in his sleep, except for the rebounds or the blocks, but he can also knock down clutch three-pointers like Robert Horry.

[TJastal]

Nah, Matt deserves a life-time contract. He's shooting has brought us so much over the years. Like the time he..........................

Oh, and Pop should throw this wrinkle into the offense. Pop should isolate Matt at the top of the circle (ala Dirk) and let him create for others. I believe in him, just like the Pop and R.C. Nobody does it better than Bonner can!!!!!!!!

I think Matty Bonner will eventually have his own personal fan club (from the cultist Pollyana Poppers) at home games who will hold signs such as "Matty first member of the 40/40 club!!"

(meaning: 1st 40 year old player to shoot 40% from 3pt in regular season) :rollin

[J_Paco]

I think Matty Bonner will eventually have his own personal fan club (from the cultist Pollyana Poppers) at home games who will hold signs such as "Matty first member of the 40/40 club!!"

(meaning: 1st 40 year old player to shoot 40% from 3pt in regular season) :rollin

Then, they'll raise his no. 15 to the rafters. And, people will recount his amazing plays in leading the Spurs to victory. Like the time he scored 30 points in a half to beat Dallas in '09. Or, the time he swatted Goran Dragic's lay-up attempt to beat Phoenix in '10. Man, Matt is so great. He should've asked for max dollars like Joe Johnson.

Anything to keep that gunner in town. Did I mention that he's so good that he can play mediocre defense and grab less than 4 rebounds a game. But, who gives a shit. He's a three-point shooting power forward after all.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Yet, I'm okay with that because the three-point king will still be here. Long live Matt Bonner, long live our three-point champion!!!!

He's so damn great, he doesn't even need to play defense or rebound the ball!!

Hopefully, in 2012 they trade Timmy to bring in players to support Matt and his great shooting.

In fact, he's so damn great, he doesn't even need to knock down shots when it mattered most in the play-offs.

[Spurs Brazil]

I didn't want Bonner back but since Spurs re-signed him I hope the reports are wrong and his contract is 10million/4 years, anything more would be terrible

[yavozerb]

According to a person familiar with the Knicks' thinking, the club will explore trading Wilson Chandler, possibly packaging him with the expiring contract of Eddy Curry. The Knicks would love to trade for a premier outside-shooting big man. New York Post

Since most of you guys hate bonner, what about bonner for chandler?

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I was just flicking through the remaining free agents and realised what we should have done... released Bonner ("Later, Rocket!") and signed Steve Novak for the minimum. He's got a sweeter shot than Bonner and is otherwise pretty similar. Yes, he's one-dimensional, but so is Bonner, at a saving of $3mil/yr. And yes, I am serious... kinda. :lol

[yavozerb]

I was just flicking through the remaining free agents and realised what we should have done... released Bonner ("Later, Rocket!") and signed Steve Novak for the minimum. He's got a sweeter shot than Bonner and is otherwise pretty similar. Yes, he's one-dimensional, but so is Bonner, at a saving of $3mil/yr. And yes, I am serious... kinda. :lol

The problem with Novak is he is pretty much in quicksand outside the 3. Bonner has at least evolved his game with the occasional drive to the basket and if you think Bonner's defense is sometimes bad then you havn't seen Novak who's D is non existent.

[galvatron3000]

Actually, they couldn't have signed Wright for what they paid Bonner, unless they decided not to sign Splitter. It wasn't an option.

Spurs either a) signed Bonner or b) signed player with similar skill at LLE or vet min. The problem with option b is, who is that player?

Why?

[benefactor]

I am suggesting that Bonner well do what is asked of him by pop very well and that is to hit 3 pt shots. I would classify Bonner as an "amazing contributor" if he can shoot >45% from 3, as it stands he is a solid contributor at 40% while attempting 4 shots from beyond the arc per game. I can gurantee you Bonner wil be getting 15-20 minutes per game during the season. As for the playoffs, yes, I do agree he can improve his play and hopefully he will do so. Do you think Bonner is the reason the spurs lost in the playoffs? Bonner was only a small reason why the spurs played poorly against the suns and to lay blame on him is foolish.
I don't hate Bonner. I've actually defended him many times in the past, especially last season early on in the year when is production was quite good. But that was then and this is now.

I think where we are not finding common ground here is role and expectation. Splitter is here now, so that gives the Spurs four rotation bigs. Duncan should play 30min, Splitter 25, McDyess 20 and Blair 20. There are 96 available minutes on the front line...and that scenario would consume 95. The 5th big should only play spot duty and in situational lineups. That's why I'm saying Tolliver is a better option than Bonner. He's not as good of a shooter(he doesn't suck, as you suggest either...33% from the arc is serviceable), but he is quicker, a better rebounder, passer and at least has some upside. These are the types of thing one needs from an energy big. The fact that he could be signed at the minimum and not locked in to a long, expensive deal makes it an even easier choice.

There is no longer the same role here for Bonner...unless you are saying you want to take minutes away from Splitter/Blair/McDyess.

[TJastal]

I don't hate Bonner. I've actually defended him many times in the past, especially last season early on in the year when is production was quite good. But that was then and this is now.

I think where we are not finding common ground here is role and expectation. Splitter is here now, so that gives the Spurs four rotation bigs. Duncan should play 30min, Splitter 25, McDyess 20 and Blair 20. There are 96 available minutes on the front line...and that scenario would consume 95. The 5th big should only play spot duty and in situational lineups. That's why I'm saying Tolliver is a better option than Bonner. He's not as good of a shooter(he doesn't suck, as you suggest either...33% from the arc is serviceable), but he is quicker, a better rebounder, passer and at least has some upside. These are the types of thing one needs from an energy big. The fact that he could be signed at the minimum and not locked in to a long, expensive deal makes it an even easier choice.

There is no longer the same role here for Bonner...unless you are saying you want to take minutes away from Splitter/Blair/McDyess.

+1

Agree with every single point in Benefactor's post. If you're going to water down everyone's minutes by having a 5th rotation big, the spurs could have even kept Haislip around and signed on the super-cheap to give the spurs a more athletic option that can still chuck 3's@35%.

[ceperez]

That's why I'm saying Tolliver is a better option than Bonner. He's not as good of a shooter(he doesn't suck, as you suggest either...33% from the arc is serviceable), but he is quicker, a better rebounder, passer and at least has some upside. These are the types of thing one needs from an energy big. The fact that he could be signed at the minimum and not locked in to a long, expensive deal makes it an even easier choice.

There is no longer the same role here for Bonner...unless you are saying you want to take minutes away from Splitter/Blair/McDyess.

Finally, we agree on the same thing.

[ohmwrecker]

I don't like Bonner either, but Tolliver is a stiff.

[mountainballer]

Splitter is here now, so that gives the Spurs four rotation bigs. Duncan should play 30min, Splitter 25, McDyess 20 and Blair 20. There are 96 available minutes on the front line...and that scenario would consume 95.




There is no longer the same role here for Bonner...unless you are saying you want to take minutes away from Splitter/Blair/McDyess.

that's why my first thought was (when Bonner was re signed) that Dice is on the trading block. if Dice is traded for a SF (he can bring back a salary from 3.8 to 6.2 million, should be possible to find a quality role player in that range. Delfino + filler anyone?)
as much as I like Dice, but a front court rotation of Tim (30)-Tiago (25)-Blair (20)-Bonner (20) makes some sense.
5th big would be a cheap player. (Ian?)

[TJastal]

I don't like Bonner either, but Tolliver is a stiff.

If were talking stiffs, I think Bonner qualifies as one more than Tolliver.

Tolliver at least would have provided a healthy dose of athleticism with his scoring although he was poor at defense and rebounding (same as Bonner).

All at a much better price.

[TJastal]

that's why my first thought was (when Bonner was re signed) that Dice is on the trading block. if Dice is traded for a SF (he can bring back a salary from 3.8 to 6.2 million, should be possible to find a quality role player in that range. Delfino + filler anyone?)
as much as I like Dice, but a front court rotation of Tim (30)-Tiago (25)-Blair (20)-Bonner (20) makes some sense.
5th big would be a cheap player. (Ian?)

From what I saw last year, the Bonner and Blair bench duo was just too porous on defense to be usable. It actually makes sense to you to reunite this failed tandem?

[ohmwrecker]

If were talking stiffs, I think Bonner qualifies as one more than Tolliver.

No argument there. The Spurs overpaid Bonner for sure. There were better options too. I'm not getting behind Tolliver though. Fuck that noise.

[Kindergarten Cop]

No argument there. The Spurs overpaid Bonner for sure. There were better options too. I'm not getting behind Tolliver though. Fuck that noise.

I'm not sold that there are/were better options for the LLE or minimum.

[TJastal]

No argument there. The Spurs overpaid Bonner for sure. There were better options too. I'm not getting behind Tolliver though. Fuck that noise.

Haislip you mean...

Marcus was hardly given any minutes to learn the spurs' system and showcase his talents.

The dude gave up a substantial amount of money to come here from Europe and barely saw any action as a spur. Who really knows what could have been, IMO.

[ohmwrecker]

I'm not sold that there are/were better options for the LLE or minimum.

Steve Novak.

[ohmwrecker]

Haislip you mean...

No. I meant Tolliver, but I would've preferred Haislip to Bonner or Tolliver.

[DrSteffo]

Yeah I wouldn't have offered Bonner a contract either but as long as he is our nr 5 occassional 3pt shooting big it's ok. It's not surprising either since they played him heavy minutes in the past. I just cannot hate on Bonner cause I think he does his limited best.

[TJastal]

No. I meant Tolliver, but I would've preferred Haislip to Bonner or Tolliver.

Ahh, ya..my misunderstanding and fuck up.

Agree with you 100%. Haislip played all of 10 games (40 minutes total) .. that barely enough time to learn the plays..

[TJastal]

Yeah I wouldn't have offered Bonner a contract either but as long as he is our nr 5 occassional 3pt shooting big it's ok. It's not surprising either since they played him heavy minutes in the past. I just cannot hate on Bonner cause I think he does his limited best.

So its ok to water down everyone else's minutes and take what would have been a great 4 big rotation (Dunc,Splitter,McDyess,Blair) and turn into a pile of dogshit?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I love the thread title :lol.

[ohmwrecker]

It's hard to hate Bonner because he seems like a real decent guy and, outside of the big three, he knows "the system" better than anyone. He also is a big effort guy, but he just does not have the physical tools to be good at either forward position. He also fails under pressure to do the ONE thing he is good at. I don't know if it's a confidence issue or what, but I can't justify his presence here, and especially with that contract.

[mountainballer]

From what I saw last year, the Bonner and Blair bench duo was just too porous on defense to be usable. It actually makes sense to you to reunite this failed tandem?

it makes sense to me that Blair higher ranked than just 5th big.
following this, it doesn't make sense to pay the actual 5th big 3.2 or 4.9 M.
if it makes sense to you, to push Blair down to the 5th spot in the rotation (10-12 MPG), you have a point.

[DrSteffo]

So its ok to water down everyone else's minutes and take what would have been a great 4 big rotation (Dunc,Splitter,McDyess,Blair) and turn into a pile of dogshit?

I just said I wouldnt have signed him? Hopefully that will be the 4 big rotation and Bonner getting spot miutes. If hes the 5th big it's ok that's all I'm saying.

[rmt]

I'm not sold that there are/were better options for the LLE or minimum.

Spurs had a better option in Ratliff (at min.), but they burned their bridges by being cheap and trading him away.

Even Tolliver is a better option than Bonner - cheaper, no commitment, upside, athletic and maybe some heart (we don't know about Tolliver but we do know about Bonner).

Can't believe that some prefer Bonner over Dice. How does one compare a vet with substantial contribution in the NBA Finals, a sweet, almost-automatic jump shot and who can guard Dirk as well as he can with Bonner?

[DPG21920]

Haislip sucked badly.

[rmt]

I just said I wouldnt have signed him? Hopefully that will be the 4 big rotation and Bonner getting spot miutes. If hes the 5th big it's ok that's all I'm saying.

Why would any team pay that kind of money for that long for a 5th big? A 5th big should get vet. min as Ratliff did last year. And Ratliff is hungry for a ring unlike Bonner who is content with his ring and hoagies.

[ohmwrecker]

Haislip sucked badly.

More or less than Mahinmi?

[DrSteffo]

Why would any team pay that kind of money for that long for a 5th big? A 5th big should get vet. min as Ratliff did last year. And Ratliff is hungry for a ring unlike Bonner who is content with his ring and hoagies.

Again I agree, I would never have signed him to that deal. i would have signed him for the vet min. though.

[TJastal]

Haislip sucked badly.

Everyone said the same about Tolliver until G.S. picked him up and turned him into a serviceable player.

Haislip was a younger, more athletic version of Tolliver who hardly got enough minutes to even learn the plays before being written off as garbage.

[DPG21920]

More or less than Mahinmi?

More. Look at comparable minutes and numbers and metrics.

[DPG21920]

Everyone said the same about Tolliver until G.S. picked him up and turned him into a serviceable player.

Haislip was a younger, more athletic version of Tolliver who hardly got enough minutes to even learn the plays before being written off as garbage.

He was garbage. Tolliver did not get written off because he was garbage. The Spurs like a lot that Tolliver did. They liked Tolliver. But the one thing they really needed him to do, which was shoot the 3, he did poorly with the Spurs.

Haislip did nothing good.

[EIC]

It's hard to hate Bonner because he seems like a real decent guy and, outside of the big three, he knows "the system" better than anyone. He also is a big effort guy, but he just does not have the physical tools to be good at either forward position. He also fails under pressure to do the ONE thing he is good at. I don't know if it's a confidence issue or what, but I can't justify his presence here, and especially with that contract.

No, no, no.

First of all, you can hate Bonner because he is raping our FO and he knows it. The rumors that other teams have contacted Bonner are all from Bonner's agent. I guarantee that no team other than the Spurs would have taken him for anything other than the vet minimum and I guarantee you that Bonner knew it. He is taking advantage of a desperate FO and doesn't have the decency to put a stop to it himself. If I were Bonner, I would be embarrassed to take that kind of money for being the Van Gogh of choke-artists. I would have considered becoming an instant Bonner fan if he tried to save Pop and RC from themselves by proactively offering to come back for the vet minimum. How does that piece of shit look himself in the mirror knowing that he gets paid more in a month than 99% of American households make in a year just to suck dick up and down the floor and be the most hated player on a team? Fuck you, Matt Bonner.

Second, what good is "knowing the system" if you can't fucking execute it? Bonner may know where to be on the floor and where the pieces fit, but this isn't a goddamn written test. The dude is short on skill and you all know it. The only thing he is asked to do is be a spot-up shooter and even then I have a better looking stroke than he does. If that's not bad enough, he is a mental midget and fails to contribute anything in a meaningful game. (And no, showing a few sparks of life in Game 4 of the Suns series with the Spurs already down 3-0 does not count.)

The "system" collapses when he is on the floor because the other team can clamp down on the other four players and because he has the uncanny ability to suck the energy out of the other four guys. I'll keep saying it: Will someone with video-editing skills put together a montage of each time Bonner checked in against the Mavs and Suns? I guarantee what you'll see is 6 to 9 point swings in the other teams' favor every single time he does.

It's maddening that this is so obvious to Spurs fans but so hard for the FO to see. The Spurs have basically bought themselves a ~$3.5 million boat anchor.

[TJastal]

He was garbage. Tolliver did not get written off because he was garbage. The Spurs like a lot that Tolliver did. They liked Tolliver. But the one thing they really needed him to do, which was shoot the 3, he did poorly with the Spurs.

Haislip did nothing good.

10 games / 4 minutes per game is barely enough PT to learn the plays much less get into ANY sort of groove and comfort zone.

And for the record Haislip did show some ability to shoot the ball in the few games he played garbage minutes in.

[barbacoataco]

Since it's a done deal with Bonner returning, I've come to terms with it. If you look at him as a 3 pt. shooter, which the Spurs need, rather than as a PF, which he really isn't, then it's not so bad. My biggest problem is that Bonner getting playing time blocks Blair from getting more minutes.

[Chomag]

I just said I wouldnt have signed him? Hopefully that will be the 4 big rotation and Bonner getting spot miutes. If hes the 5th big it's ok that's all I'm saying.

You don't pay a 5th big that gets only spot minutes 3-4 mil. Pop most likely has plans for him to be a large part of the rotation with that kind of contract.

[TJastal]

Since it's a done deal with Bonner returning, I've come to terms with it. If you look at him as a 3 pt. shooter, which the Spurs need, rather than as a PF, which he really isn't, then it's not so bad. My biggest problem is that Bonner getting playing time blocks Blair from getting more minutes.

Yep this will be most detrimental to Blair's development. But even worse than just cutting Blair's minutes only, I'm betting Pop will cut everyone's minutes across the board .. so the whole rotation will be a watered down pile of dogshit and out of sync all year long.

Exactly like what the Bogans' signing did with guard rotation last year.

[ohmwrecker]

No, no, no.

What are you 12? Shut the fuck up. Nobody forced the Spurs to give him that contract. The "Van Gogh of choke artists"? What does that even mean? You are essentially arguing with me by agreeing with me. I never said he could "execute" the system. I said he didn't have the physical tools to be effective.
I'm not defending Bonner at all. You got it all wrong. Don't quote me to post you pointless ramble. Go get some reading comprehension skills and come back when you are less retarded.

[EIC]

I'm not defending Bonner at all. You got it all wrong. Don't quote me to post you pointless ramble. Go get some reading comprehension skills and come back when you are less retarded.


It's hard to hate Bonner because he seems like a real decent guy and, outside of the big three, he knows "the system" better than anyone. He also is a big effort guy . . .

I was using your post to respond to the sentiment---expressed by several posters, including yourself---that an upside to Bonner is that he "knows the system." My response, "Who gives a fuck?"

Did I hurt your feelings by quoting your post to make my point? I'm sorry, baby. Want me to kiss it and make it better?

[rmt]

Yep this will be most detrimental to Blair's development. But even worse than just cutting Blair's minutes only, I'm betting Pop will cut everyone's minutes across the board .. so the whole rotation will be a watered down pile of dogshit and out of sync all year long.

Exactly like what the Bogans' signing did with guard rotation last year.

And in the playoffs, when it becomes obvious yet again that Bonner can't contribute, Blair and Splitter will not be as ready to contribute as they would have if they had had the 20-25 minutes that Bonner got all season long.

Pop won't be able to resist playing Bonner in the RS at that price. I wish that the Spurs had Finley instead of Bonner. At least he could hit a big 3 under pressure.

[TJastal]

You don't pay a 5th big that gets only spot minutes 3-4 mil. Pop most likely has plans for him to be a large part of the rotation with that kind of contract.

Hence the problem we're all having.

Mark my words, this signing will be the death knell of the spurs for 2011. Much like the Bogans' signing was the death knell of 2010.

[DrSteffo]

Well it's not like it's the max we are paying them? It's too much yes, but I just laugh at that negative bullshit.

[SenorSpur]

I don't hate Bonner. I've actually defended him many times in the past, especially last season early on in the year when is production was quite good. But that was then and this is now.

I think where we are not finding common ground here is role and expectation. Splitter is here now, so that gives the Spurs four rotation bigs. Duncan should play 30min, Splitter 25, McDyess 20 and Blair 20. There are 96 available minutes on the front line...and that scenario would consume 95. The 5th big should only play spot duty and in situational lineups. That's why I'm saying Tolliver is a better option than Bonner. He's not as good of a shooter(he doesn't suck, as you suggest either...33% from the arc is serviceable), but he is quicker, a better rebounder, passer and at least has some upside. These are the types of thing one needs from an energy big. The fact that he could be signed at the minimum and not locked in to a long, expensive deal makes it an even easier choice.

There is no longer the same role here for Bonner...unless you are saying you want to take minutes away from Splitter/Blair/McDyess.

+1 x 100

[Big P]

4 years was 2 years too much...why would we outbid ourselves for bonner's services? ..Dumb move...Probably could have given him a 3 year $9 mil deal with a 3rd year team option...now bonner is the Spur that is signed for the longest....not happy with this signing & not happy that we are going to probably resign rj...Splitter (hopefully) is the only bright spot this summer.

[Ginobili2Duncan]

Maybe Dice gets traded for a SF and then gets bought out to return to the Spurs.

[ohmwrecker]

I was using your post to respond to the sentiment---expressed by several posters, including yourself---that an upside to Bonner is that he "knows the system." My response, "Who gives a fuck?"

Again, learn to read . . . where did I say it was an "upside" that he knows the system? My point was that his physical tools do NOT make up for the fact that he knows the system. I also said he does NOT deserve the contract.

Sweet baby Jesus, you are stupid.

[Killakobe81]

If a company chooses to keep an employee they value, the do not cut his salary, unless you want them to be disgruntled as well. A slight raise was to be expected if the Spurs were gonna sign him. 4 years is a bit surprising though, as I would have expected 2 or 3 max.

Bonner is a hard worker, and he won't be expected to fill a big man role this year. Only to hustle on defense and hit 3 pointers. Rebounding and interior defense will fall to the other bigs...TD, Splitter, Blair, and Mcdyess, two of which I expect to be on the floor with Bonner at the same time, most times.

The Spurs ability to sign Splitter, and another player with the LLE is unaffected by this move.

Put your big boy pants on people and relax. The Spurs know what they are doing.

Believe.


Great post. I need to stay awaya from the NBA forum all the intelligent and STILL confident Spur fans are in here.

Again, part of why I cam here was the back and forth between the Spur and Piston fans.

Plent of Intelligent analysis and trash talk.

I JOINED when all the Kobe bashing and collusion talk started after the Gasol trade ...

I STILL believe in the Spurs as contenders (I predicted the Dallas win but I did not anticipate the Suns thrashing)

Spurs just need a SF and figure out the Parker/Hill rotation ...

[angelbelow]

Great post. I need to stay awaya from the NBA forum all the intelligent and STILL confident Spur fans are in here.

Again, part of why I cam here was the back and forth between the Spur and Piston fans.

Plent of Intelligent analysis and trash talk.

I JOINED when all the Kobe bashing and collusion talk started after the Gasol trade ...

I STILL believe in the Spurs as contenders (I predicted the Dallas win but I did not anticipate the Suns thrashing)

Spurs just need a SF and figure out the Parker/Hill rotation ...

I dont think thats a good post. Companies offer regular raises if the employee is effective and productive. Bonner is simply was not a major contributor last year and this year he appears to have an even lesser role.

The best companies are cut throat (see GE) and happily cut there bottom employees - in this case Bonner because he is not able to be effective during the playoffs, he is only good at shooting while being below average in areas like defense, rebounding, passing, etc. He also has no upside because he is unlikely to improve his skill level. I like Bonner and occasionally thought he would be an effective 4th big off the bench. At this point we have 4 bigs that I would rather see play over Bonner (due to a combination of veteran exp. in Dice, and upside in Blair and Splitter.)

I just don't see a point in giving Bonner a raise just because he knows the system. Just because he does - does not mean our defense is suddenly better or our offensive flow is suddenly better. Its true, bonner raise doesnt effect our ability to USE the MLE/LLE but will certainly make us think twice when were approaching the luxury tax because we have a 5th big and probably 12th man on the bench making 4 million. (For you guys think Adam Morrison, Luke Walton, Rads contract from before.)

[AFBlue]

Why?

Spurs couldn't have signed Wright because they did not hold his bird rights, and were only able to pay him from three possible "pots" of money; mid-level exception, or MLE ($5.7M), LLE ($2M) or vet min.

The Spurs have tabbed the majority of the mid-level exception for Splitter, so they would only have the LLE or vet min to offer Wright. Seeing as how Wright got somewhere around $4M/yr, it was impossible for him to be a Spur.

[The Truth #6]

Holt can throw away money. That's fine. His choice. But Pop don't outhink yourself. Recognize his uselessness and don't overplay him.

[TD 21]

I don't hate Bonner. I've actually defended him many times in the past, especially last season early on in the year when is production was quite good. But that was then and this is now.

I think where we are not finding common ground here is role and expectation. Splitter is here now, so that gives the Spurs four rotation bigs. Duncan should play 30min, Splitter 25, McDyess 20 and Blair 20. There are 96 available minutes on the front line...and that scenario would consume 95. The 5th big should only play spot duty and in situational lineups. That's why I'm saying Tolliver is a better option than Bonner. He's not as good of a shooter(he doesn't suck, as you suggest either...33% from the arc is serviceable), but he is quicker, a better rebounder, passer and at least has some upside. These are the types of thing one needs from an energy big. The fact that he could be signed at the minimum and not locked in to a long, expensive deal makes it an even easier choice.

There is no longer the same role here for Bonner...unless you are saying you want to take minutes away from Splitter/Blair/McDyess.

Exactly. It's not about whether he's a better shooter than Tolliver (he is), or whether he's more established and has a more advanced, thorough understanding of the system (he is and does), it's about what this means for the team and what it means is not good (as you've detailed).

Even if you (not you specifically, I mean a Spurs fan in general) wants to look at the bright side of this and go "the Spurs have five rotation caliber bigs, this will allow Duncan and McDyess the rest they need throughout the regular season and Bonner provides three-point shooting, which the Spurs lack", what about down the stretch and into the playoffs?

You know, when rotations are set. Who get's squeezed? My guess would be Blair. How is that good for the team? Particularly if he's an improved player next season, which he figures to be. Not only that, but it will also mean that a bona fide choke artist is in the Spurs playoff rotation. Bonner can't shoot under pressure and since he offers nothing else, he becomes useless.

Plus, why commit 4 years and $15 or $16 (I presume) million to him? Tolliver could have most likely been had for 1 or 2 years at a fraction of the cost, while alleviating all rotation concerns and stop Pop from playing mad scientist, not allowing guys to get in or stay in a rhythm and alienating probably at least one of McDyess, Splitter or Blair.

There were other reasons to be sure, but one of the reasons the Spurs took off after roughly two thirds of the way into last season was because roles had become clearly defined. Amongst the bigs at least, they're just re-creating that issue all over again.

[Whisky Dog]

What's funny to me is in his zeal to replace Robert Horry Pop has fallen on love with the exact opposite of Robert Horry and tried to fit him into the mold. It's so stupid it's comical - this has to be an ego thing because that is the only thing that can explain this level of stupidity.

[gospursgojas]

matt bonner sucks

[200 miles]

What's funny to me is in his zeal to replace Robert Horry Pop has fallen on love with the exact opposite of Robert Horry and tried to fit him into the mold. It's so stupid it's comical - this has to be an ego thing because that is the only thing that can explain this level of stupidity.

So this is what has transpired so far...

Pop & RC choose to keep this:

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and they decide to let go of this:

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Well if that's the case, then Pop should be on the list of "Real Men of Genius" on that stupid beer advertisement.

[Slinkyman]

The problem isn't Bonner, it's Pop. If Pop would stop playing bonner so much i think people would actually like Bonner on the team. The fact that he started last season and the thought of him starting next season is dreadful. It's possible that Matt Bonner is our starting center at the beginning of the season, that's Pop's fault!

[DesignatedT]

The problem isn't Bonner, it's Pop. If Pop would stop playing bonner so much i think people would actually like Bonner on the team. The fact that he started last season and the thought of him starting next season is dreadful. It's possible that Matt Bonner is our starting center at the beginning of the season, that's Pop's fault!

He only started 7 games last season. Mainly in the beginning because we had so many unfamiliar faces. Once everyone got a little settled in he was never our starting center.

[rayray2k8]

How much you wanna bet that lets say the spurs add Shaq with the LLE (which I highly doubt) and Pop SOMEHOW ends up putting a small line up during the season? 6 fucking bigs and he's still in love with small ball!

[redzero]

Without Bonner, who on the Spurs would shoot 3's? Exactly.

[Seventyniner]

I'm still holding out hope that the 4th year is unguaranteed or a team option. Even 3 years is one too many, IMO, but wouldn't quite be so bad. It would also make Bonner's contract a good trade chip 3 years down the road.

[SenorSpur]

As someone stated earlier, if Bonner is the best the Spurs could get as a "stretch 4", the Spurs would be better off with a "stretch 3". :lol

Bonner is nothing more than a scrub.

[ElNono]

lol @ 5th big... He was the first big off the bench when he was making $3.2m, what do you think it's gonna happen now that he got a raise?

[TJastal]

Without Bonner, who on the Spurs would shoot 3's? Exactly.

Manu, Hill, Temple, Anderson, Jefferson (if he signs), Hairston

[ffadicted]

Manu, Hill, Temple, Anderson, Jefferson (if he signs), Hairston

owned

[Sigz]

This is such a travesty.

[rmt]

Without Bonner, who on the Spurs would shoot 3's? Exactly.

In the playoffs, I'd rather Duncan or Parker take a big 3 than Bonner. They won't be scared or choke it away.

[Chomag]

I want my Bonner goggles! Maybe then the next 4 years wont be so painfull to watch.

[SenorSpur]

Without Bonner, who on the Spurs would shoot 3's? Exactly.

With Bonner on the roster, the Spurs STILL have no one who can MAKE 3's in pressure situations.

[SenorSpur]

I want my Bonner goggles! Maybe then the next 4 years wont be so painfull to watch.

Trust me, if they're anything like the previous years, it WILL be painful to watch.

[ace3g]

spurs

Spurs have re-signed forward Matt Bonner #gospursgo http://twitpic.com/250qdl

I guess it is official now :(

[ace3g]

mikefinger

Even after signing new 4-yr deal with #Spurs, Matt Bonner refuses to give up Pontiac Grand Prix. "It's a classic," he said.

[ChumpDumper]

I can't believe he ever fit in that car. Did he just take out the front seat and drive it from the back?

[Spurminator]

Anything on the terms of the deal yet?

[ace3g]

MacDonald still saying "it is believed to be" 4yr / 16M

but nothing official yet

[Bruno]

I can't believe he ever fit in that car. Did he just take out the front seat and drive it from the back?

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/3442/gortat.jpg

[Bruno]

Bonner contract start at $3.05M per realgm.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Bonner contract start at $3.05M per realgm.
Not bad. :tu

[Kindergarten Cop]

Bonner contract start at $3.05M per realgm.

If that's the case, he didn't get that "significant raise" that many have been complaining about.

[Texas_Ranger]

Bonner contract start at $3.05M per realgm.


thank god.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Bonner contract start at $3.05M per realgm.

So with that figure, does that mean that the max the deal could be is 4yr/$13.75M? I'm guessing that there is a team option (at least) on the fourth year (which should make it closer to 3yr/$9.9M deal).

[Bruno]

Depending of the structure of the contract, Bonner contract is between $10.3M and $14.1M for 4 years.

[Blackjack]

JMcDonald_SAEN

Yes. And that word is "patience." @SportsMensch any word on RJ?



JMcDonald_SAEN

Guys who are 6-foot-10 and can make 40 percent of their 3s are a rare commodity. Simple supply & demand @Ericb1980 What am I missing?

EricB? lol

[lurker23]

We should also remember that Matt Bonner's previous contracts had incentives based on free throw and 3-point shooting percentages. If I had to guess, there's probably a good chance that this new contract has similar wording.

[Marcus Bryant]

So the forum melted down over Bonner getting a 4 yr/ $14 mil contract, which starts at $3.0 mil. OK.

[infinite styles]

According to the NBATV ticker the Mavs were the ones to actually re-sign Bonner

[AFBlue]

If that's the case, he didn't get that "significant raise" that many have been complaining about.

Could be a raise if the contract escalates and averages out higher than the last year of his contract. I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up at 4yrs, $14M...not gawd awful.

[Bruno]

I damn hope his deal has a decreasing or at least a flat structure. Paying $4M a 34 years old Bonner would truly suck. If the last year wasn't fully guaranteed or was a team option, it would be great too.

[EricB]

I asked why give a raise to bonner, that was his response. Turns out it's a pay decrease.

[timvp]

I can't wait to see the final numbers on this contract. Three years for $11 million and a non-guaranteed fourth season would make it a solid contract.

[Marcus Bryant]

4 years from now the Spurs will be playing the lottery.

[ElNono]

Depending of the structure of the contract, Bonner contract is between $10.3M and $14.1M for 4 years.

I hope the last two seasons or at least the last one is a team option...

[ElNono]

I asked why give a raise to bonner, that was his response. Turns out it's a pay decrease.

The original report mentioned a raise. Without looking at the contract is hard to tell when the raise would happen.

[ElNono]

4 years from now the Spurs will be playing the lottery.

I'm thinking three years from now.

[DPG21920]

Who cares about the contract, Bonner shouldn't be back.

[Blackjack]

Link (http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Concord's+Bonner+re-ups+with+the+Spurs&articleId=587d54f6-bb06-4a60-8fc0-85c828bf54fd)


The new contract is expected to exceed the annual salary of $3.2 million he earned last season.

[underdawg]

Who cares about the contract, Bonner shouldn't be back.

yes, he should - Tim's blocks have gone down over the years and Splitter, Blair and McDyess are not big in blocks either. Bonner definitely helps in that area

[DPG21920]

Huh?

[ohmwrecker]

yes, he should - Tim's blocks have gone down over the years and Splitter, Blair and McDyess are not big in blocks either. Bonner definitely helps in that area

Uh . . . MATT Bonner?

[Solid D]

KSAT just reported that Bonner signed a 4-year deal at $3.2 per season... but that was KSAT.

[Solid D]

yes, he should - Tim's blocks have gone down over the years and Splitter, Blair and McDyess are not big in blocks either. Bonner definitely helps in that area

The only blocks Matt is known for is for when Matt tries to draw a charge and he's called for a "block" instead.

[DPG21920]

:lol at Solid D.

It just makes little sense to me. Even if it is 3M per year, that is a lot to pay a 5th big that has no upside.

[peacemaker885]

For the right price, Matt's the man. Happy for him and his family.

[ElNono]

yes, he should - Tim's blocks have gone down over the years and Splitter, Blair and McDyess are not big in blocks either. Bonner definitely helps in that area

http://www.zgeek.com/forum/gallery/files/1/0/8/bitch_slap.jpg

[siraulo23]

yes, he should - Tim's blocks have gone down over the years and Splitter, Blair and McDyess are not big in blocks either. Bonner definitely helps in that area

???

[underdawg]

:lol at Solid D.

It just makes little sense to me. Even if it is 3M per year, that is a lot to pay a 5th big that has no upside.

I don't see how you don't get it - Matt is a rare commodity at 6'10" and shoots 40%. In fact he might be the only "big man" in the NBA that is a 3 point assassin. His added weak side defense and shot blocking is an added plus. And oh man how he hustles - could be the fastest big man in the NBA running down the court.

$14 million is a heck of a bargain when you think of the games he'll be closing out for the Spurs in the playoffs.

[Notorious H.O.P.]

KSAT just reported that Bonner signed a 4-year deal at $3.2 per season... but that was KSAT.

Wih 10.5% raises, that would start at 2.75 mil. Would give us just a bit more flexibility but I like Bruno's idea of a flat rate contract.

[ElNono]

I don't see how you don't get it - Matt is a rare commodity at 6'10" and shoots 40%. In fact he might be the only "big man" in the NBA that is a 3 point assassin. His added weak side defense and shot blocking is an added plus. And oh man how he hustles - could be the fastest big man in the NBA running down the court.

$14 million is a heck of a bargain when you think of the games he'll be closing out for the Spurs in the playoffs.

http://jokersmilez.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/tollwins.jpg

[DPG21920]

Nice recovery :lol

[Solid D]

I don't see how you don't get it - Matt is a rare commodity at 6'10" and shoots 40%. In fact he might be the only "big man" in the NBA that is a 3 point assassin. His added weak side defense and shot blocking is an added plus. And oh man how he hustles - could be the fastest big man in the NBA running down the court.

$14 million is a heck of a bargain when you think of the games he'll be closing out for the Spurs in the playoffs.

Matt has average 21 blocks per season. That's not that many. Richard Jefferson has averaged 26 blocks per season. Also, Matt isn't known for being fast. Just because he's churning up the floor, it doesn't mean he's burning up the floor.

[DPG21920]

Solid D, Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

[Solid D]

:lol The thread expander strikes again.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Perhaps dawg was just being sarcastic.

[Solid D]

Sorry, I forgot to look who was posting.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I will never understand why pompous ass golden spoon TPark always acts like The Double Rainbow guy every time this FO makes any move.

"ooooooohhhohohohooo....spurs FO is so intennnnnsssssse soooo inteeennnnsssseee..."


you are such a tool it blows the mind, only reason I still post here is because you weren't voted all ST, would have totally taken all ST credibility to the grave

[Solid D]

Quitting would have made you a succumber and that would have made you....well,....faded.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

"Double Bonner......soooo o o oo o inteennnnnsseee"

[EricB]

God get help...

[slick'81]

weakside defense and matt bonner lol

[siraulo23]

http://www.nba.com/spurs/multimedia/100713_bonner.html

spurs re-sign forward Matt Bonner - Video

[slick'81]

luckily is right matty

[angelbelow]

3 Million for Bonner isnt the ideal contract (for us) but its definitely not horrible.

[jaffies]

yes, he should - Tim's blocks have gone down over the years and Splitter, Blair and McDyess are not big in blocks either. Bonner definitely helps in that area

yup.



update sig.

[J_Paco]

I just hope Ryan Richards pans out and takes Matt's spot after this season. Lord, I don't want to see Matt as the starter or 4th big in 2011.

[Muser]

I just hope Ryan Richards pans out and takes Matt's spot after this season. Lord, I don't want to see Matt as the starter or 4th big in 2011.

You're going to be dissapointed then.

[apalisoc_9]

I just hope Ryan Richards pans out and takes Matt's spot after this season. Lord, I don't want to see Matt as the starter or 4th big in 2011.

Knowing pop, you would probably be just disappointed.

Ryan Richrds is Ian Mahinmi part 2.

[Ginobili2Duncan]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs_splurge_on_bonner_98386754.html

[TDMVPDPOY]

i wonder if coach is going to bury him at the end of the bench like what he did to bowen, horry, barry

[Horse]

Hopefully he'll get a lot less time with Tiago coming over, and god please no starts. What made me sick is when I read it's the biggest contract he's ever gotten.

[AFBlue]

That Express News title is classic...

Spurs Splurge on Bonner

:lol

[dbestpro]

We will now see if Bonner can fill the roll that he was intended for all along, a bench stretch 4.

[Bruno]

The E-N reports of a $16M contract doesn't fit with the $3.05M starting salary of realgm. At least one of them is wrong.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Someone just told me that the Spurs resigned Bonner for four years at $3M+ per season. :lol :rollin Damn that's funny!!! The Spurs FO isn't that dumb!!! :lol

[Indazone]

you guys have a pretty big front line if you play Bonner at SF/PF. Then you could field a front line/frontline backups with Tiago Splitter, Duncan, Bonner, McDyess, Blair. That's pretty formidable and then throw in Ginobili and Parker, I think you could have the makings of a pretty good playoff team right there. This team could matchup with the Lakers. Get Shaq for cheap and you're even deeper.

[Bruno]

Someone just told me that the Spurs resigned Bonner for four years at $3M+ per season. :lol :rollin Damn that's funny!!! The Spurs FO isn't that dumb!!! :lol

:lol

[AFBlue]

you guys have a pretty big front line if you play Bonner at SF/PF. Then you could field a front line/frontline backups with Tiago Splitter, Duncan, Bonner, McDyess, Blair. That's pretty formidable and then throw in Ginobili and Parker, I think you could have the makings of a pretty good playoff team right there. This team could matchup with the Lakers. Get Shaq for cheap and you're even deeper.

Not sure where this idea of playing Bonner at the 3 originated, but I've seen it posted several times by several different ST members. I don't think I've ever seen Bonner play SF while in a Spurs uni or heard the coaching staff even hinting at playing him there.

Bonner is exclusively a PF, even if he plays "Center" alongside Duncan. Either way, he's no SF.

[E-RockWill]

"the transaction lacked the drama of James' made-for-TV “Decision.” This, despite the fact that Bonner joked his one-hour special had been aired at 1 a.m. on New Hampshire public access, “after Knitters' Corner and before the Penacook town parade”.......As for his famously modest wheels? Bonner said he still has no plans to trade them in.
“They stopped producing Pontiac Grand Prixs, so it's now a classic,” Bonner said. “Keep that in mind the next time you want to make fun of me.”

Too funny.....

[Bruno]

I can see Bonner some minutes at SF in the NBA final to stop Miami Heat's SF.



Well, maybe no, but there should have a reason why Spurs have given him a $10M+ contract... :depressed

[AFBlue]

I can see Bonner some minutes at SF in the NBA final to stop Miami Heat's SF.



Well, maybe no, but there should have a reason why Spurs have given him a $10M+ contract... :depressed

Did you read the article...dude is hilarious!

[Bruno]

Did you read the article...dude is hilarious!

It's maybe the reason. He is also hilarious on the court when he airballed 3 pointers in the playoffs.

[AFBlue]

It's maybe the reason. He is also hilarious on the court when he airballed 3 pointers in the playoffs.

Agreed. The other thing you can't replace is when he goes top-shelf...it's like nothing you've ever seen before (last part not "blued" b/c it's true).

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

That Express News title is classic...

Spurs Splurge on Bonner

:lol

:lmao

[Indazone]

Why wouldn't you try Bonner at the 3? He could play that position like AK-47 right? Kirilenko is a big man who can play either forward spot.

[AFBlue]

Why wouldn't you try Bonner at the 3? He could play that position like AK-47 right? Kirilenko is a big man who can play either forward spot.

He's nowhere near as athletic as AK-47 and carries about 40 more pounds on his body than Kirilenko does. He's already a liability against quicker 4s...he'd get destroyed by 3s.

He's a PF.

The only PF who could potentially play the 3 in spot minutes is Blair...and that's only if he continues to improve his conditioning, drop some weight and improve his perimeter jumpshot.

[lurker23]

Why wouldn't you try Bonner at the 3? He could play that position like AK-47 right? Kirilenko is a big man who can play either forward spot.

Kirilenko is listed at 15 pounds lighter than Bonner. I wouldn't be surprised if it's actually closer to 25 pounds.

While I think Bonner at the 3 would be an interesting experiment, he'd have to be paired with a more mobile big man who can guard 3s at the other end. While Splitter is certainly more mobile, I don't know that even he fits the bill. I doubt the Spurs would try a Bonner/Splitter/Duncan front court, but I wouldn't be opposed to trying it out for 5 minutes and seeing what happens.

[Indazone]

Bonner at the 3 spot would allow you to spread the floor better. Add a quick penetrating guard and put good three point shooting 2 up there and that would really open things up.

[Solid D]

Someone just told me that the Spurs resigned Bonner for four years at $3M+ per season. :lol :rollin Damn that's funny!!! The Spurs FO isn't that dumb!!! :lol

Really? Oh well, that's okay. The Spurs will surely be bringing their draft pick Luis Scola over from Spain next year.

[Indazone]

You will need a big front line to match up with the Lakers. Gasol, Bynum, Odom, Kobe, Artest, Fisher.