If Palin were President...

[fraga]

God help us all...

6dlZwM-eZkA

[Wild Cobra]

God help us all...

6dlZwM-eZkA

Why do you say that?

Look, she is not a very good orator, but when she gets around to the answer, she makes sense.

[fraga]

Even Bill O'Reilly was like...alright we've already established that...now give me a damn answer woman...stop using your talking points...give me ideas...what do we do now...

[Wild Cobra]

Even Bill O'Reilly was like...alright we've already established that...now give me a damn answer woman...stop using your talking points...give me ideas...what do we do now...
Yes, he had to steer her to the intended question. She was avoiding it. Think about it though. Who in their right mind can form a clear plan that far ahead when what needs to be done first looks politically impossible.

Do you spend hours thinking of and consulting others over practical impossibilities? I don't know about you, but I have better things to do with my time, and I'll bet she does too.

Gotta give Bill kudos for equally putting all parties in the hot seat.

[fraga]

Yeah I love how he did that...but come on..this proves that she does a great job at attacking and disagreeing...but when she was asked...alright...well what would you do...she had nothing...and doesn't that echo the Republican side...always quick to disagree...say no...

[Wild Cobra]

Yeah I love how he did that...but come on..this proves that she does a great job at attacking and disagreeing...but when she was asked...alright...well what would you do...she had nothing...and doesn't that echo the Republican side...always quick to disagree...say no...
I think it's refreshing to see someone who doesn't have all the answers. That, to me, is an indication they are not bullshitting.

---7/20 edit---

added "not" before the word "bullshitting."

[Fabbs]

:lol She's lost without her cue card holders.



Why do you say that?

Look, she is not a very good orator, but when she gets around to the answer, she makes sense.
And what word-for-word was that?
I just heard the whole interview, i don't hear her answer OReillys question of what is she going to do?

[admiralsnackbar]

Yes, he had to steer her to the intended question. She was avoiding it. Think about it though. Who in their right mind can form a clear plan that far ahead when what needs to be done first looks politically impossible.

Do you spend hours thinking of and consulting others over practical impossibilities? I don't know about you, but I have better things to do with my time, and I'll bet she does too.


You may have better things to do, but thinking about politics is her job, isn't it? Either as a talking head, or a presidential candidate? Nobody's going to hold her to it if her policy stance seems untenable in 2 years, but for fucks sake, lady: say something substantive.

[Wild Cobra]

You may have better things to do, but thinking about politics is her job, isn't it? Either as a talking head, or a presidential candidate? Nobody's going to hold her to it if her policy stance seems untenable in 2 years, but for fucks sake, lady: say something substantive.
Well you know what. Nobody is perfect. I'll bet now that this has happened, she will think some on it.

We can all find problems with any candidate. For me, I want someone who can lead, ho has lead, someone who has integrity, and other good qualities. I don't expect an individual to have all the answers. I expect them to be smart enough to place people within their circles who are experts to draw upon.

[admiralsnackbar]

I bet she still can't name the journals she reads. Why? Because she isn't interested in policy, she's interested in power and celebrity.

[ElNono]

Well you know what. Nobody is perfect.

You don't need to apologize for her.

[boutons_deux]

"Nobody is perfect."

It's NOT the perfect end of the scale where mama grizzly has located her stupid, ignorant self.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I saw this interview and it was painful to watch. Beyond the 'secure the borders Bill'... she was clueless as what to do about everyone else here..even she eventually acknowledged that some type of comprehensive reform was needed..after being asked 10 times.. I guess for her not knowing the answers it's refreshing for some..,yet when a democrats doesn't it's because he's lying for the same folks...

[hater]

I had 1 or 2 job interviews that went like this. No, I wasn't hired.

[Fabbs]

Is Wild Cobra a mouse troll?

[Wild Cobra]

Is Wild Cobra a mouse troll?
OMG...

You know how to hurt a person bad...

Can't get much worse than comparing me to him...

[ChumpDumper]

Do you spend hours thinking of and consulting others over practical impossibilities? I don't know about you, but I have better things to do with my time, and I'll bet she does too.No, she doesn't.

This is her job.

[spursncowboys]

ok let's play. if palin were president:
unions wouldn't be running gm

[spursncowboys]

Our unemployment might be the same, but we wouldn't have wasted 600 billion

[spursncowboys]

Chris Mathews would have never had a tingling feeling go up his leg.

[fraga]

Silly Palin...who let you out of the kitchen...

[DarrinS]

I see the left continues its obsession with Palin.

:sleep

[spursncowboys]

Black people who violate individual's civil rights might actually get prosecuted.

[spursncowboys]

The vice president, more likely, would have had a private sector job at some point of their life.
Palin wouldn't have people who don't pay their taxes as her appointments.

[ChumpDumper]

Black people who violate individual's civil rights might actually get prosecuted.You know that case was handled by the Bush administration, don't you?

[spursncowboys]

You know that case was handled by the Bush administration, don't you?

define handle

[ChumpDumper]

define handleMeaning they made the decisions on regarding criminal prosecution of that case.

Do you need a definition of "criminal prosecution" now?

[spursncowboys]

maybe you don't understand what dropping charges, and lowering charges, is.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203550604574361071968458430.html

[spursncowboys]

let me guess wsj is biased, unlike the atlanta-constitutional or media matters.

[ChumpDumper]

maybe you don't understand what dropping charges, and lowering charges, is.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203550604574361071968458430.html
In the first week of January, the Justice Department filed a civil lawsuit against the New Black Panther Party and three of its members, saying they violated the 1965 Voting Rights Act by scaring voters with the weapon, uniforms and racial slurs.Do you know what "the first week of January" means?

Do you know what "civil lawsuit" means?

[ChumpDumper]

Could you give me a link to the legal complaint of the voters at that polling station who said they were being intimidated, snc?

I'd love to read it.

[spursncowboys]

what does that have to do with it being a bush appointee?

[spursncowboys]

When none of the defendants filed any response to the complaint or appeared in federal district court in Philadelphia to answer the suit, it appeared almost certain Justice would have prevailed by default. Instead, the department in May suddenly allowed the party and two of the three defendants to walk away. Against the third defendant, Minister King Samir Shabazz, it sought only an injunction barring him from displaying a weapon within 100 feet of a Philadelphia polling place for the next three years—action that's already illegal under existing law.

There was outrage over the decision among Congressional Republicans, the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, and in the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division—especially after it was learned one of the defendants who walked was Jerry Jackson, a member of Philadelphia's 14th Ward Democratic Committee and a credentialed poll watcher for the Democratic Party last Election Day.

Then the Washington Times reported on July 30 that six career lawyers at Justice who had recommended continuing to pursue the case were overruled by Associate Attorney General Thomas Perrelli—a top administration political appointee. One of the career attorneys, Appellate Chief Diana Flynn, had urged in an internal memo that a judgment be pressed against the defendants to "prevent the paramilitary style intimidation of voters" in the future.

.

[ChumpDumper]

So what was the penalty they wanted?

A bigger injunction?

Wow.

[ChumpDumper]

So what was the penalty they wanted?

A bigger injunction?

Wow.

[spursncowboys]

The Obama administration won a default judgment in federal court in April 2009 when the Black Panthers didn't appear in court to fight the charges. But the administration moved to dismiss the charges in May 2009.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/30/justice-dept-lawyer-accuses-holder-dropping-new-black-panther-case-political/

[spursncowboys]

The Obama administration won a default judgment in federal court in April 2009 when the Black Panthers didn't appear in court to fight the charges. But the administration moved to dismiss the charges in May 2009.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/30/justice-dept-lawyer-accuses-holder-dropping-new-black-panther-case-political/

[spursncowboys]

way to go allstar

[ChumpDumper]

But there is still an injunction against them.

Still waiting for that official testimony of the voters they terrorized, snc.

Where is it?

Way to go, envious non all-star.

[Blake]

I expect them to be smart enough to place people within their circles who are experts to draw upon.

you mean like the people she placed within her circle in Alaska?

[spursncowboys]

keep waiting goalpost holder. I don't care about some idiotic notion you came up with to save face.

Do you honestly think that wasn't voter intimidation all-star?

[spursncowboys]

you mean like the people she placed within her circle in Alaska?

did they pay their taxes? Did they ever charge that americans deserve to die from the terrorist attacks? Were they ever involved in a bombing of a police station?

[ChumpDumper]

keep waiting goalpost holder. I don't care about some idiotic notion you came up with to save face.Everything I said was true. You then moved the goalpost.


Do you honestly think that wasn't voter intimidation all-star?Which voters were intimidated, nonstar?

Show me their official testimony.

[Blake]

did they pay their taxes? Did they ever charge that americans deserve to die from the terrorist attacks? Were they ever involved in a bombing of a police station?

wut

[Blake]

ok let's play. if palin were president:


she would have waved her magic ass and made the oil spill disappear

[LnGrrrR]

Black people who violate individual's civil rights might actually get prosecuted.

Black people aren't being arrested anymore? News to me.

[EmptyMan]

No one (politicians) is going to do shit because they are all pussies and don't want to hurt feelings.

It'd be easier for reps to give into amnesty if the dems hadn't successfully portrayed anyone not labeled them as bigoted evil racists. Reps are scared the dems will get 12-20 mil new votes and successfully reach a one party system. They have successfully enslaved 90% of the black vote, so there you go. :toast

Either way both sides are first thinking about their political agenda before the country...nothing new. That's humanity for you. :king

To make both sides happy just:
1) completely lock down the border
2) grant amnesty to all the Mexicans illegally in the country
3) do not let in a single immigrant (illegal or legal) for the next 10 years or however long it would take for 12-20 million LEGAL immigrants to enter the U.S.

Eat the cake bishes. :ihit

[Winehole23]

Locking down the border could have unintended consequences for commerce.

[EmptyMan]

More incentive for Obama then. :p:

[Winehole23]

To do what fringy anarcho-libertarians tell him to. :p:

[Winehole23]

Good one.

[boutons_deux]

Bistol and Levi are engaged! I'm thrilled. Backwoods trash forever!

[balli]

they have not shared the news with Bristol's mom Sarah Palin, who has mocked Levi as "Ricky Hollywood" and poked at his "aspiring porn" career.
lol. Dumb trash daughter announces marriage to 'aspiring porn' actor on the cover of tabloid US Weekly, without telling even dumber & trashier mom/grandma first. What a shitty, dirty, broken family. lol

[boutons_deux]

mama grizzly Family Values.

And WTF does Todd do, anyway?

Dream Ticket: Gingrich Prez, Mama Grizzly Veep

[Wild Cobra]

mama grizzly Family Values.

And WTF does Todd do, anyway?

Dream Ticket: Gingrich Prez, Mama Grizzly Veep
What?

You dislike a possible winning ticket?

Afraid they will groom Palin for president?

[boutons_deux]

Afraid? No at all, HOPEFUL.

mama bitch is doling out some of her "elite" wealth to Repug/tea bagger candidates now, which is an indicator that she'll expect payback from them later, like in her own campaign.

[Ignignokt]

Everything I said was true. You then moved the goalpost.

Which voters were intimidated, nonstar?

Show me their official testimony.

So, you said that the Obama administration dismissed the charges?

[balli]

What?

You dislike a possible winning ticket?

Afraid they will groom Palin for president?

lol, yeah- vote for me, I'm a mama grizzly, my whore daughter got knocked up at 17. Vote for me- I'm a mama grizzly. Take back this country for the real Americans, like me, with real family values. Vote for me, my daughter got secretly engaged, at 19, to a former Playgirl model and announced it in a tabloid. Vote for me- I'm a momma grizzly, a real American. I'll protect you.

[clambake]

you gotta admit....she's slightly less stupid than those who admire her.

[Drachen]

Well you know what. Nobody is perfect. I'll bet now that this has happened, she will think some on it.

We can all find problems with any candidate. For me, I want someone who can lead, ho has lead, someone who has integrity, and other good qualities. I don't expect an individual to have all the answers. I expect them to be smart enough to place people within their circles who are experts to draw upon.

I was told a few years ago by my supervisor at a job that although I presented a very positive attitude, there was one glaring downfall. If there was an issue that we were experiencing, I would be vocal about it. My boss said that this was fine as long as I presented a potential solution for the situation. He said that he understood that I may not know what all is possible, and that whatever solution I present may have already been considered, but the fact that I was thinking critically past the complaining phase would make a world of difference. It was something I didn't even know that I did, in fact I cant stand people who complain, just to complain. It made me very concious of this, and I immediately made the adjustment. It has made a great difference for me.

Tying into the thread: Any follower can say no, or say this sucks. If Palin ever hoped to be any kind of leader she would have already educated herself on the subject, and formulated at least an idea for a loose plan. She has been in the public long enough that the ol' "i'll bet now that this has happened, she will think some on it" defense doesn't hold even a drop of water. This has happened to her before and if she can't take lessons from different situations and apply them to the future occurences, then she deserves all of the criticism that she receives.

[TDMVPDPOY]

wtf is she always in teh media man :(

[ChumpDumper]

So, you said that the Obama administration dismissed the charges?There were never any criminal charges to drop, as the Bush administration decided. It was a civil case, and there was and is an injunction against the baton holder. The only bone of contention here is that some folks think a wider injunction including the entire NBBP should have been put in place, but there was no evidence that this happened anywhere else, nor was there any testimony from one voter claiming actual intimidation at this polling station. It was a weak case to begin with, which is why the Bush administration decided there was no use pursuing a criminal case.

[beachwood]

I think it's refreshing to see someone who doesn't have all the answers. That, to me, is an indication they are bullshitting.

Refreshing? Are you kidding me?? I'm not bullshitting you either, can I be President too? And I already know "refudiate" is not a word.

This scares the shit out of me. You're talking about someone who could be POTUS. We need someone near genius level IQ to run the job, not some dumb shit. The position of POTUS shouldn't be attainable to some idiot with a 2.5 gpa who majored in sports journalism. The job of POTUS is not equivalent to being Manager at Walmart or the local Dairy
Queen. We need someone of superior intellect to be POTUS, be they conservative or liberal.

It was clear she has no fucking clue about anything Billo was asking her. She was making up her answers according to what O'Reilly was asking. She clearly had no idea of what her immigration policy would be. "No amnesty" doesn't mean shit. That's not policy in the real world. What the hell is she going to do with the millions of people that are here? She couldn't answer it because she's not serious about governing. She wants power. O'Reily bailed her out by cutting her off. She HAD NO CLUE. She was starting to spew her love of Reagan and O'Reilly saved her ass by saying he failed. It was clear she had no idea what even Reagan's policy was. All she does is spew talking points. And for christ's sake she has to write them on her hand. Are you kidding me? What's scary is not that she didn't have answers, it's that it was clear she hadn't even thought of any ideas except to blab about her talking points. And there was no intellectual foundation behind her talking points. They mean nothing to her.

And I am not anti-conservative. I am anti-idiot. Whether a conservative or a liberal is POTUS, I hope to God that this person has a superior intellect and is serious about governing.

[byrontx]

I'll join your campaign. How can anyone advocate electing stupid people? Surely there is a somewhat-bright conservative somewhere. Why can't they find their way into the limelight?

[Wild Cobra]

Refreshing? Are you kidding me?? I'm not bullshitting you either, can I be President too?
Sure you could. If you are a US citizen and shown yourself capable.

And I already know "refudiate" is not a word.

It's considered a word today I think because it's so commonly used. It's from refuse, but properly spelled repudiate. "Ain't" ain't a word either, but we used it long before modern dictionary's adopted it. Maybe it is technically a word now?


This scares the shit out of me. You're talking about someone who could be POTUS. We need someone near genius level IQ to run the job, not some dumb shit.
She has common sense. More then the likes of any democrat since Clinton trying for the job. It doesn't take a genius to be president, but someone who can make executive decisions based on information given. She is definitely qualified for the job.

The position of POTUS shouldn't be attainable to some idiot with a 2.5 gpa who majored in sports journalism.

Wow...

What a closed mind you have.


The job of POTUS is not equivalent to being Manager at Walmart or the local Dairy Queen.

The basics are. You don't need to be a real smart person. You need to understand basic economy dynamics, man-power, etc. I would be less critical of Obama if he was a Dairy Queen manager who did good. Then I would see he understood the basics of small business. As it is now, he obviously doesn't, and his policies harm small business. So do most democrats. They are dangerous to the livelihood of small business owners and their employees.


We need someone of superior intellect to be POTUS, be they conservative or liberal.

No we don't. We need someone who has common sense, and the ability to be rational.


It was clear she has no fucking clue about anything Billo was asking her.
She was donging an uncomfortable question, and she isn't good at it like Obama is.

She was making up her answers according to what O'Reilly was asking. She clearly had no idea of what her immigration policy would be. "No amnesty" doesn't mean shit. That's not policy in the real world. What the hell is she going to do with the millions of people that are here?
Assume what you will. Sometimes we don't know how to express what we want to accomplish. Now I wish she did have something good to communicate, but I'm not going to roast anyone over a few areas.

She couldn't answer it because she's not serious about governing. She wants power.
Another assumption? Maybe you can direct me to some facts?

O'Reily bailed her out by cutting her off. She HAD NO CLUE.
Maybe so. What I see in her is someone who will attempt to do what's right. I believe she will get plenty of opinions from experts in various situations, then make a good decision. I have no worries about her weak areas.

She was starting to spew her love of Reagan and O'Reilly saved her ass by saying he failed. It was clear she had no idea what even Reagan's policy was.
I'm sure she did know that history.

I wonder...

How would Obama have fared in such an interview without the TOTUS?

All she does is spew talking points.
That's all the democrats do and the left wing media. We all have things we believe and stress over and over.

And I am not anti-conservative. I am anti-idiot.

No...

You are easily bought by the smooth talking snake oil peddlers.

My God man...

Do you give the democrats a bye for their solutions when they cannot honestly answer any pointed questions?

I like to see someone with flaws. I know they are real, having real problems and experiences in life like the rest of us, and not a "Manchurian candidate."

[beachwood]

Sure you could. If you are a US citizen and shown yourself capable.

It's considered a word today I think because it's so commonly used. It's from refuse, but properly spelled repudiate. "Ain't" ain't a word either, but we used it long before modern dictionary's adopted it. Maybe it is technically a word now?

She has common sense. More then the likes of any democrat since Clinton trying for the job. It doesn't take a genius to be president, but someone who can make executive decisions based on information given. She is definitely qualified for the job.

Wow...

What a closed mind you have.

The basics are. You don't need to be a real smart person. You need to understand basic economy dynamics, man-power, etc. I would be less critical of Obama if he was a Dairy Queen manager who did good. Then I would see he understood the basics of small business. As it is now, he obviously doesn't, and his policies harm small business. So do most democrats. They are dangerous to the livelihood of small business owners and their employees.

No we don't. We need someone who has common sense, and the ability to be rational.

She was donging an uncomfortable question, and she isn't good at it like Obama is.

Assume what you will. Sometimes we don't know how to express what we want to accomplish. Now I wish she did have something good to communicate, but I'm not going to roast anyone over a few areas.

Another assumption? Maybe you can direct me to some facts?

Maybe so. What I see in her is someone who will attempt to do what's right. I believe she will get plenty of opinions from experts in various situations, then make a good decision. I have no worries about her weak areas.

I'm sure she did know that history.

I wonder...

How would Obama have fared in such an interview without the TOTUS?

That's all the democrats do and the left wing media. We all have things we believe and stress over and over.

No...

You are easily bought by the smooth talking snake oil peddlers.

My God man...

Do you give the democrats a bye for their solutions when they cannot honestly answer any pointed questions?

I like to see someone with flaws. I know they are real, having real problems and experiences in life like the rest of us, and not a "Manchurian candidate."

You say I'm easily bought, yet you think Palin is genuine. I really don't have to say anything about that. The absurdity is apparent.

She didn't even finish her term as Governor; she's not serious about governing. I'm pretty sure she will run in 2012, but I hope to God she doesn't.

Dems and Repubs both have shitty candidates and politicians at times. Say what you want about Obama, but he's a serious person. I don't always agree with his policies or the strategies he uses to govern, but at least I know he has the intellect and maturity to do the job.

[DarkReign]

She didn't even finish her term as Governor; she's not serious about governing. I'm pretty sure she will run in 2012, but I hope to God she doesn't.

Why?

If anything, Palin brings out the crazies. At least you can figure out who not to invite to the block party based on lawn posters alone.

I think she is an inverse positive, tbh.

[boutons_deux]

"she's not serious about governing"

the is the primary qualification for a Repug Pres candidate. The Repugs simply aren't interested in governance, as we saw 2000-2005, and the current "pure" extremist Repugs now are even worsel. They hate govt, "Government is the problem", and want it weakened to destruction.

[TeyshaBlue]

She was donging an uncomfortable question, and she isn't good at it like Obama is.


Donging? Pure, liquid, win.:lmao:lmao

[spursncowboys]

Palin is doing alot more by helping tea party candidates win. i would rather her run the rnc, than be in an elected office.

[TeyshaBlue]

Palin is doing alot more by helping tea party candidates win. i would rather her run the rnc, than be in an elected office.

Me too. Only after the complete and utter destruction of the RNC, can fiscal conservatives find a voice again.

[ChumpDumper]

Palin is a refreshingly stupid politician. The only thing more stupid is those who think she is an intelligent politician.

[DMX7]

Palin is doing alot more by helping tea party candidates win. i would rather her run the rnc, than be in an elected office.

... helping them win primaries, TEA Baggers are not going to be taking over Washington anytime soon. Their great "victory" is Scott Brown, and he's already dumped the Tea Party like an ugly girlfriend.

[Wild Cobra]

Dems and Repubs both have shitty candidates and politicians at times. Say what you want about Obama, but he's a serious person. I don't always agree with his policies or the strategies he uses to govern, but at least I know he has the intellect and maturity to do the job.
Well, the best in opposition to the Oregon Socialist party (Oregon democrats) is Chris Dudley, from the NBA. Not my first choice as governor, but I'm voting for him. Even made a cash contribution to the campaign. Hope he can win against the demonrats.

[Wild Cobra]

Donging? Pure, liquid, win.:lmao:lmao
Yes, that's worth laughing at. What a serious typo, huh?

I can't even remember what word I mean to use.

Glad I can help make your day better.

[admiralsnackbar]

me too. Only after the complete and utter destruction of the rnc, can fiscal conservatives find a voice again.

+1

[Wild Cobra]

Palin is doing alot more by helping tea party candidates win. i would rather her run the rnc, than be in an elected office.
Head of the RNC would be a good fit for her, wouldn't it?

[ChumpDumper]

Head of the RNC would be a good fit for her, wouldn't it?Palin would be the only choice better than Steele as far as the Democrats are concerned. Equally stupid, but higher profile.

[EmptyMan]

lolololol @ trashing Palin as a hypothetical president when the present one is worthless.

[ChumpDumper]

lolololol @ trashing Palin as a hypothetical president when the present one is worthless.Palin would be worse.

[EmptyMan]

Prove it.

[ChumpDumper]

Prove it.She would have to actually be president to prove it.

[EmptyMan]

Shit son, as stupid as you all believe her to be she can't be any more stupid than to have unemployment benefits as her only economic plan for recovery lmao lmao lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Shit son, as stupid as you all believe her to be she can't be any more stupid than to have unemployment benefits as her only economic plan for recovery lmao lmao lmaoShe has no plan. lmao lmao lmao

[spursncowboys]

neither does obama. and that's not funny.

[beachwood]

lolololol @ trashing Palin as a hypothetical president when the present one is worthless.

Statements like yours are just pointless. Obama accomplished with Health care what many Dems for decades had tried and failed to do. You can't point to a single failure he's had. Obama has kicked the shit out of republicans since he stepped into office.

[spursncowboys]

Statements like yours are just pointless. Obama accomplished with Health care what many Dems for decades had tried and failed to do. You can't point to a single failure he's had. Obama has kicked the shit out of republicans since he stepped into office.

If we are talking about pushing through bills with his supermajority congress then yeah he did good. but how did he pass that healthcare bill? what has that bill accomplished? What has been accomplished from us being in a recession since he has been president?

[fraga]

Trying to clean up someone elses fuck ups is never easy...

[spursncowboys]

Not taking responsibility for anything after four years of dem majority in the congress and two years of supermajority is pretty easy.

[Wild Cobra]

Not taking responsibility for anything after four years of dem majority in the congress and two years of supermajority is pretty easy.
Yep, when you have a dumb constituency it's easy to fool them.

[ChumpDumper]

neither does obama. and that's not funny.What is the Republican plan?

What is the Republican budget?

What is the Republican plan for the two wars?

That is funny.

[beachwood]

If we are talking about pushing through bills with his supermajority congress then yeah he did good. but how did he pass that healthcare bill? what has that bill accomplished? What has been accomplished from us being in a recession since he has been president?

The resession started in Dec 2007. Obama didn't create it. Since Obama has taken office though, the recession has been stopped and the economy has grown. There's some debate, but it is believed the recession ended some time between May and August of 2009. So yes, Obama stopped the recession created during the Bush administration.

Yes, the economy is still bad and unemployment rates are horrible, but as the economic downturn wasn't created overnight, it's not going to be fixed overnight either. It's going to take a while right the ship that was sinking when Obama took office. Obama didn't take office with a surplus like W did.

As for health care, the bill was just signed in at the end of March. Again, legislation of this size is not going to change things overnight. It's to be gradually brought in through the years. I only wish it included the Public Option.

Here's an article that will explain to you how the legislation will be phased in:

http://www.csmonitor.com/Money/Christian-Personal-Finance/2010/0325/What-Obama-s-new-health-care-bill-means-for-us

[spursncowboys]

The resession started in Dec 2007. Obama didn't create it. Since Obama has taken office though, the recession has been stopped and the economy has grown. There's some debate, but it is believed the recession ended some time between May and August of 2009. So yes, Obama stopped the recession created during the Bush administration. who did create it? 2007? What is your def. of recession? the economy has grown? do you have any data on that? Do you have even a sector that has grown? How exactly did obama stop this recession and why do we need more unemployment welfare if we are out of a recession?


Yes, the economy is still bad and unemployment rates are horrible, but as the economic downturn wasn't created overnight, it's not going to be fixed overnight either. It's going to take a while right the ship that was sinking when Obama took office. Obama didn't take office with a surplus like W did. bush technically didn't have a surplus since it was gone before he had his first budget made.


As for health care, the bill was just signed in at the end of March. Again, legislation of this size is not going to change things overnight. It's to be gradually brought in through the years. I only wish it included the Public Option.

Here's an article that will explain to you how the legislation will be phased in:

http://www.csmonitor.com/Money/Christian-Personal-Finance/2010/0325/What-Obama-s-new-health-care-bill-means-for-us
He snuck the healthcare bill in w/o a vote.

[beachwood]

who did create it? 2007? What is your def. of recession? the economy has grown? do you have any data on that? Do you have even a sector that has grown? How exactly did obama stop this recession and why do we need more unemployment welfare if we are out of a recession?

bush technically didn't have a surplus since it was gone before he had his first budget made.


He snuck the healthcare bill in w/o a vote.

Here's the info you requested regarding the start of the recession: http://money.cnn.com/2008/12/01/news/economy/recession/index.htm

There is debate about the recessions end. It may take more time to pinpoint exactly. But the economy has grown.

Here is a chart mapping the GDP dip marking the recession and the GDP upswing marking growth in the economy.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/Economics/GDP-Growth.aspx?Symbol=USD

The are probably many factors why there's high unemployment rates. It's possible many employers are not hiring because even though the recession is over, they may not have faith the economy will stay strong.

I always find it ironic how conservative politicians fought Obama's HC plan yet they themselves have tax payer funded health care that is provided to every federal employee. I'd love to see every single conservative politician renounce their own current health care coverage.

Where are you getting your info that Obama snuck in HC without a vote?

"With the 219-to-212 vote, the House gave final approval to legislation passed by the Senate on Christmas Eve."

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/22/health/policy/22health.html

Not sure where you're getting your info on the surplus Bush inherited. Bush definitely came into office with a big fat surplus. Look at the chart.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/during_the_clinton_administration_was_the_federal. html

[Wild Cobra]

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/during_the_clinton_administration_was_the_federal. html
Every month, I can plan a budget with a surplus to put in savings. That doesn't mean it actually happens that way. A very simple fact to look at is this. If president Clinton had an actual surplus, rather than on paper, then why did the debt increase in 1998 to 2000, under his budgets?

[beachwood]

Every month, I can plan a budget with a surplus to put in savings. That doesn't mean it actually happens that way. A very simple fact to look at is this. If president Clinton had an actual surplus, rather than on paper, then why did the debt increase in 1998 to 2000, under his budgets?


Hmm that's interesting. Can I see the article with this information?

[Wild Cobra]

Hmm that's interesting. Can I see the article with this information?
You mean you are willing to spout propaganda without looking up the facts behind the ramifications?

The last time we had an actual surplus was during the Nixon administration, believe it or not.

From the OMB, Historical tables (http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals/), Table 7.1—Federal Debt at the End of Year: 1940–2015 (http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2011/assets/hist07z1.xls):

1960 290,525
1961 292,648
1962 302,928
1963 310,324
1964 316,059
1965 322,318
1966 328,498
1967 340,445
1968 368,685
1969 365,769 <--- dropped from 1968
1970 380,921
1971 408,176
1972 435,936
1973 466,291
1974 483,893
1975 541,925
1976 628,970
TQ 643,561
1977 706,398
1978 776,602
1979 829,467
1980 909,041
1981 994,828
1982 1,137,315
1983 1,371,660
1984 1,564,586
1985 1,817,423
1986 2,120,501
1987 2,345,956
1988 2,601,104
1989 2,867,800
1990 3,206,290
1991 3,598,178
1992 4,001,787
1993 4,351,044
1994 4,643,307
1995 4,920,586
1996 5,181,465
1997 5,369,206
1998 5,478,189
1999 5,605,523
2000 5,628,700
2001 5,769,881
2002 6,198,401
2003 6,760,014
2004 7,354,657
2005 7,905,300
2006 8,451,350
2007 8,950,744
2008 9,986,082
2009 11,875,851
2010 estimate 13,786,615
2011 estimate 15,144,029
2012 estimate 16,335,662
2013 estimate 17,453,482
2014 estimate 18,532,303
2015 estimate 19,683,285

[Wild Cobra]

Enjoy:

Budget of the United States Government, Fiscal Year 2011 (http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2011/assets/budget.pdf)

[beachwood]

You mean you are willing to spout propaganda without looking up the facts behind the ramifications?

The last time we had an actual surplus was during the Nixon administration, believe it or not.

From the OMB, Historical tables (http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals/), Table 7.1—Federal Debt at the End of Year: 1940–2015 (http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2011/assets/hist07z1.xls):

1960 290,525
1961 292,648
1962 302,928
1963 310,324
1964 316,059
1965 322,318
1966 328,498
1967 340,445
1968 368,685
1969 365,769 <--- dropped from 1968
1970 380,921
1971 408,176
1972 435,936
1973 466,291
1974 483,893
1975 541,925
1976 628,970
TQ 643,561
1977 706,398
1978 776,602
1979 829,467
1980 909,041
1981 994,828
1982 1,137,315
1983 1,371,660
1984 1,564,586
1985 1,817,423
1986 2,120,501
1987 2,345,956
1988 2,601,104
1989 2,867,800
1990 3,206,290
1991 3,598,178
1992 4,001,787
1993 4,351,044
1994 4,643,307
1995 4,920,586
1996 5,181,465
1997 5,369,206
1998 5,478,189
1999 5,605,523
2000 5,628,700
2001 5,769,881
2002 6,198,401
2003 6,760,014
2004 7,354,657
2005 7,905,300
2006 8,451,350
2007 8,950,744
2008 9,986,082
2009 11,875,851
2010 estimate 13,786,615
2011 estimate 15,144,029
2012 estimate 16,335,662
2013 estimate 17,453,482
2014 estimate 18,532,303
2015 estimate 19,683,285

According to the chart you provided the public debt was actually paid down during Clinton's last for years in office. Intra-government debt will always go up because of Social Security. As seen during Nixon's 1968 year when the national debt went down but the intra-government debt actually increased.

It doesn't mean that a surplus can't exist. A surplus exists when revenues are higher than expenditures. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e7/Revenue_and_Expense_to_GDP_Chart_1993_-_2007.png/800px-Revenue_and_Expense_to_GDP_Chart_1993_-_2007.png

[Wild Cobra]

According to the chart you provided the public debt was actually paid down during Clinton's last for years in office. Intra-government debt will always go up because of Social Security. As seen during Nixon's 1968 year when the national debt went down but the intra-government debt actually increased.

It doesn't mean that a surplus can't exist. A surplus exists when revenues are higher than expenditures. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e7/Revenue_and_Expense_to_GDP_Chart_1993_-_2007.png/800px-Revenue_and_Expense_to_GDP_Chart_1993_-_2007.png
So tell me.

What about interest payments?

You know, that nasty interest on the debt...

You and other liberal can pretend all you want it doesn't exist. But it does.

Also, percentage of GDP is not the same thing either.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Yep, when you have a dumb constituency it's easy to fool them.

We agree.

Sincerely,

Fox News Audience

[ChumpDumper]

He snuck the healthcare bill in w/o a vote.Please explain how he snuck in the healthcare bill w/o a vote.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Please explain how he snuck in the healthcare bill w/o a vote.

He used a recess appointment

[beachwood]

He used a recess appointment

Recess appointments are used to select people to positions. Not pass legislation.

[beachwood]

So tell me.

What about interest payments?

You know, that nasty interest on the debt...

You and other liberal can pretend all you want it doesn't exist. But it does.

Also, percentage of GDP is not the same thing either.

Nah, it doesn't exist.

[Winehole23]

Oddly enough, that seems the the Jamie Galbreath take too.

[DMX7]

He snuck the healthcare bill in w/o a vote.

Umm... what?

[Winehole23]

SnC might be referring to Obama's secret negotiations with pharma and insurance companies before the legislative process, but who knows.

[DMX7]

SnC might be referring to Obama's secret negotiations with pharma and insurance companies before the legislative process, but who knows.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they voted on that.

[EVAY]

...I would move to Australia. I promise.

[Winehole23]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they voted on that.No doubt. The Senate came through for Obama.

[Jacob1983]

I would probably move to Canada or New Zealand. I would have to have the money for it though. Maybe I could borrow some money from the MILF president if she was president.