Are the Spurs in on the NBA rigging?

[Fabbs]

Summer of 2005. We just won a hard fought battle with another good NBA team, the Pistons. It was the 2nd Championship in 3 years, we had the leagues undisputed MVP. Next to the MVP we had tall guys who had testicles intact. Our role players were guys like Bob Horry, Bruce Bowen. We had the team in the NBA. As to additions, we got what was considered one of if not the best deals in the free agency, Unrestricted Mike Finley with Cuban footing the bill for all but a couple mil a year. We could use Finley for 10, maybe 15 minutes a game off the bench to hit some stretch treys. We couldn't sign Lewie Scola just then, but we knew his Euro contract buyout would eventually lower in the summer of 2007. None of our players posed in mascara and a burqua hat.
We could have even, maybe, signed the best coach in basketball. Summer 2005 he was completely sick of Kobme and a free agent. But surely not even Pop could screw up the train we were on, right? 4 of 6 Championships, 5 of 7 even?
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It's Game 7 of the Celtics-Lakers. KG does a nice quick step to get past Pao Gasol for a layup. Beaten, Gasol simply hacks KGs hand, clear for all to see. No whistle, no foul. Jeff Van Grunts say, and i kid you not, quote: "Good block by Gasol, hand is part of the ball."

People that was just one play but it epitomizes what the WWE-NBA has become? Mike Finley and Matt Bonner take over as our 3/4 combo. So back to 2005, were the Spurs and their leader really that stupid so as to undo all that Championship building to bring us to this? Or is this all just part of a script?
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[ChumpDumper]

If you believe it's fixed, you have to believe the Spurs have benefited from it when they won their championships.

[spursfan1000]

LMAO at crawford!

[doobs]

What's your question?

[DesignatedT]

You never cease to amaze me. At least your posts are consistently retarded.

[Juanobili]

Yeahhh... and that's why the Spurs swept "THE CHOSEN ONE" in the 2007 NBA Finals

[Fabbs]

What's your question?
Did Pop get plied with wine, more wine, and more wine and promises of a future of constantly replenished wine in a backroom meeting somewhere with Stern, Buss and the other NBA fixers?
Would that explain the stupidity of what became SpursFail summer 2005-present with the deal being an allowance for the 2007 title?

The 2005 Lakers at their lowest point and drastic measures needed to be taken to restore the WWE titles?

Were payments made and the script began?

[Fabbs]

If you believe it's fixed, you have to believe the Spurs have benefited from it when they won their championships.
"Because if one or more championships are fixed, it means they all must be."

Fail. Try looking for some spelling or grammar errors. :lol

[oligarchy]

You never seize to amaze me. At least your posts are consistently retarded.

Definitions of seize on the Web:

* take hold of; grab; "The sales clerk quickly seized the money on the counter"; "She clutched her purse"; "The mother seized her child by the arm"; "Birds of prey often seize small mammals"

Definitions of cease on the Web:

* discontinue: put an end to a state or an activity; "Quit teasing your little brother"

[ChumpDumper]

"Because if one or more championships are fixed, it means they all must be."Why wouldn't they be? If it's that easy, why not do it all the time?


Fail. Try looking for some spelling or grammar errors. :lolTry making sense in a post and not making up horrible nicknames. :lol

[DesignatedT]

Definitions of seize on the Web:

* take hold of; grab; "The sales clerk quickly seized the money on the counter"; "She clutched her purse"; "The mother seized her child by the arm"; "Birds of prey often seize small mammals"

Definitions of cease on the Web:

* discontinue: put an end to a state or an activity; "Quit teasing your little brother"

fixed. :lol

[oligarchy]

fixed. :lol

:toast

[Fabbs]

Why wouldn't they be? If it's that easy, why not do it all the time?
To feign semblance of legitimacy.
When have the Spurs won a title with Pao Gasol for Matt Bonner.
21 FTs to 5 to end a game, when about 6 of them were deserved.

Mike Finley and Matty Bonner extended and extended again.
Bruce Bowen run off the team.
Lewie Scola given away to Hou for nothing.
It's all old issues Chump, altho they continue. I was not present at the meeting. But it's more plausible then what became of the Spurs since summer 2005.

[DesignatedT]

To feign semblance of legitimacy.
When have the Spurs won a title with Pao Gasol for Matt Bonner.
21 FTs to 5 to end a game, when about 6 of them were deserved.

Mike Finley and Matty Bonner extended and extended again.
Bruce Bowen run off the team.
Lewie Scola given away to Hou for nothing.
It's all old issues Chump, altho they continue. I was not present at the meeting. But it's more plausible then what became of the Spurs since summer 2005.

You forgot Mahinmi going to dallas...

[hater]

yes, the NBA made the Spurs trade Scola

[ChumpDumper]

To feign semblance of legitimacy.
When have the Spurs won a title with Pao Gasol for Matt Bonner.
21 FTs to 5 to end a game, when about 6 of them were deserved.

Mike Finley and Matty Bonner extended and extended again.
Bruce Bowen run off the team.
Lewie Scola given away to Hou for nothing.
It's all old issues Chump, altho they continue. I was not present at the meeting. But it's more plausible then what became of the Spurs since summer 2005.And someone who is not a spurfan can make a conspiracy for all the Spurs' championships.

And it is just as much of a waste of time.

All old issues, Fabbs, although they continue.

[ChumpDumper]

The Spurs got Tim Duncan.

It's a conspiracy.

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[Fabbs]

yes, the NBA made the Spurs trade Scola
Not made, "plied".

[Fabbs]

I think I'll just skirt all of the points raised and try to change the subject and fail at looking witty -again.
Time for you to run along, Chumpy.
I see you have.
Bye.

[ChumpDumper]

I will just pretend my argument wasn't turned against me and hopefully no one notices I failed. Thank God these people can't see me crying.

[Fabbs]

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You never cease to amaze me. At least your posts are consistently retarded.

[Fabbs]

Now after Matty Bonner, Dick Jefferson extended to the tune of a possible 4 years 40 million?
:lmao

But Bruce Bowen couldn't be brought back for 1 million (or less) last season all the way up until the deadline? After Finley divorced Popped?

[FromWayDowntown]

But Bruce Bowen couldn't be brought back for 1 million (or less) last season all the way up until the deadline?

Come on. If the Spurs had brought back a player that nobody else in the NBA made a serious effort to acquire, everyone would have caught the scent of their complicity in the league's conspiracy and the whole thing would have been exposed. This kind of stuff requires at least some degree of subtlety.

[Fabbs]

Come on. If the Spurs had brought back a player that nobody else in the NBA made a serious effort to acquire, everyone would have caught the scent of their complicity in the league's conspiracy and the whole thing would have been exposed. This kind of stuff requires at least some degree of subtlety.
Isn't known if Bowen would have accepted anywhere but San Antonio.
I do not claim to know if any team made an offer.
Is known that Popazit made no offer.

I'm making a comparison.
Finley extended again (before he bolted)
Matty Bonner actually offered a new contract of 4 freaking years.
RJ given 15 million last year and now ___? million for ____? years.
Yet no spot for Bowen at 1 million (an offer at least) the last half of last year.

I submit no team is this stupid. Unless it's intentional.

[poop]

the whole thing isnt fixed all the time, obviously...

but the league certainly can, and DOES, intervene at times to 'help along' a certain agenda. this is 100% indisputable, anyone denying this is in pure denial. ive already gone over every single point in great detail, but if anyone wants to know any specific thing in particular or wishes to challenge this fact, feel free to ask me.

[poop]

and Fabbs, the spurs were definitely not 'in' on any of these shady moves...in fact the opposite- they were THE main factor (and to a lesser degree the Pistons as well) for the league being in a position where they felt forced to 'take steps' in the first place. almost every dubious move perpetrated by 'the powers that be' since around 2006 were done with one goal in mind-to make things 'difficult' for the Spurs and the Pistons(and their style of basketball in general) to continue to win, while at the same time helping certain big money franchises/rivalries/glamour markets to rise to prominence once again.

this is 100% indisputable fact.

[lotr1trekkie]

IMO, the higher valued teams always get the calls in close series. It's subliminal. The refs can't help but know who are the Lakers vs anyone else is. Unfortunately for the Celtics finished second this year.
The next diva team will be the Heat. I can't wait for the controversy as the MAGI accumulate an average of 3 fouls a game. I expect a replay of 'Remember the Titans', where coaches jump onto the court and demand the refs call the games as they see them. Not who was playing.

[Dunc n Dave]

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It's Game 7 of the Celtics-Lakers. KG does a nice quick step to get past Pao Gasol for a layup. Beaten, Gasol simply hacks KGs hand, clear for all to see. No whistle, no foul. Jeff Van Grunts say, and i kid you not, quote: "Good block by Gasol, hand is part of the ball."


Van Gundy was right. The hand IS part of the ball. It's not a foul if you hit their hand when going for a block or steal. Wrist & arm is a foul, the hand holding the ball is NOT a foul.

[Fabbs]

Van Gundy was right. The hand IS part of the ball. It's not a foul if you hit their hand when going for a block or steal. Wrist & arm is a foul, the hand holding the ball is NOT a foul.
:rollin Are you nuts?
Not when an opponent is shooting.

[Fabbs]

Come on. If the Spurs had brought back a player that nobody else in the NBA made a serious effort to acquire, everyone would have caught the scent of their complicity in the league's conspiracy and the whole thing would have been exposed. This kind of stuff requires at least some degree of subtlety.
Now after Matty Bonner and Dick Jefferson are rewarded for their playoff play with both getting new 4 year contracts and Dick at probably about 36 million bucks, the Lakers sign Matt Barnes for 1.8 mil per year for two years.

What's that they say in legal terms, "Your witness".
The floor is now yours.

[Leetonidas]

You know we won a title in 2007 right?

[Bito Corleone]

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2009-3/1336749/joeycrawford1.jpg

:elephant:elephant:elephant

[Kori Ellis]

:rollin Are you nuts?
Not when an opponent is shooting.

It's not a foul if the hand is still in contact with the ball.


The hand is considered "part of the ball" when it is in contact with the ball. Therefore, contact on that hand by a defender while it is in contact with the ball is not illegal.

[Fabbs]

It's not a foul if the hand is still in contact with the ball.
Completely disagree. Is this was true why not teach all defenders to simply hack at the shooters hand?
We need word for word rulebook.

[Fabbs]

You know we won a title in 2007 right?
Yes, perhaps 2007 was in exchange for the traitorous sell out.

Go back to the op and compare where we and the NBA were in Summer 2005 compared to now summer 2010.

With a completely stacked roster going forward we got one title in 5 years while the *Champs* are a burqua hat wearing faggot with 21 to 5 freethrows in one quarter who got Pao Gasol for Kwame Brown. Now we just gave Bonehead/Dick 50 million dollars over 4 years while Matt Barnes will outproduce the two of them combined for 3.6 million total.

The smell of rigged abounds.

[TheSpurglar]

Completely disagree. Is this was true why not teach all defenders to simply hack at the shooters hand?
We need word for word rulebook.

Your word usage is fantastic. You "completely disagree" with something that most casual fans are aware of. And then you call teaching this legitimate rule "hacking". So I'll bite... they do teach you to "hack" at the shooter's hand if you're pursuing a layup. It's just not the easiest thing to do because, y'know, not everybody playing basketball has that much defensive skill. That's why a lot of defenders are out of position, miss the block, and hit wrist or forearm instead, at which point the whistle blows because, y'know... that's a foul.

[Fabbs]

I can't post the rule.
So STFU until you can.

[TheSpurglar]

Now we just gave Bonehead/Dick 50 million dollars over 4 years while Matt Barnes will outproduce the two of them combined for 3.6 million total.


Statistically?

:rollin

No... he won't.

[TheSpurglar]

So STFU until you can.

Will you now?

http://www.nba.com/features/misunderstoodrules_051128.html

Incidental Contact: The mere fact that contact occurs does not mean a foul has been committed. Players are allowed to contact other players when reaching for a loose ball, or when performing normal offensive and defensive movements. The hand is considered “ part of the ball” when it is in contact with the ball and contact with a players hand when it is in contact with the ball is not a foul.

[Obstructed_View]

Completely disagree. Is this was true why not teach all defenders to simply hack at the shooters hand?
We need word for word rulebook.

Uh, Kori's post has word for word from the rulebook. If you don't know the hand is part of the ball, then my guess is that you've never played basketball in your life. Go to a basketball court at an elementary school and you'll hear the kids say that.

[TJastal]

LOL Fabbs... "Lewie Scola"

:lmao

[Fabbs]

Will you now?

http://www.nba.com/features/misunderstoodrules_051128.html

Incidental Contact: The mere fact that contact occurs does not mean a foul has been committed. Players are allowed to contact other players when reaching for a loose ball, or when performing normal offensive and defensive movements. The hand is considered “ part of the ball” when it is in contact with the ball and contact with a players hand when it is in contact with the ball is not a foul.
Notice this is under "Incidental Contact".
While shooting?
Gasols hack was hardly "incidental".
I'll see what i can find.

[Fabbs]

Originally Posted by Fabbs
Now we just gave Bonehead/Dick 50 million dollars over 4 years while Matt Barnes will outproduce the two of them combined for 3.6 million total.


Statistically?

:rollin

No... he won't.
meh probably true that Bonner will hit enough non pressure up-by-20 YMCA regular season treys to beef up his points per game.
Ditto Soft Dick, he'll have the occasional 18/9 game that he is capable of doing regularly.
Combined, their stats will outdo Barnes yeah probably.

But for those of us who are not Boxscore Bettys we know and saw what BonBon and Dick did in the playoffs.

[Obstructed_View]

Notice this is under "Incidental Contact".
in·ci·den·tal -adj 1. happening or likely to happen in an unplanned or subordinate conjunction with something else. 3. likely to happen or naturally appertaining.


While shooting?
Are you somehow suggesting that someone can shoot the ball without their hand being in contact with the ball? Touching someone's hand while they're shooting the ball is considered "Incidental", so it's not a foul.


Gasols hack was hardly "incidental".
If it meets the criteria above, that someone was shooting, then it is by-rule "incidental contact".


I'll see what i can find.
:lol Good luck. Since you can't seem to admit when you're completely wrong, I'd wager that you couldn't find your ass with both hands.

[ChumpDumper]

Completely disagree. Is this was true why not teach all defenders to simply hack at the shooters hand?
We need word for word rulebook.That is unintentionally the funniest thing Fabbs has ever posted.