Splitter deal = 3 years, $10 million ?? [Archive] - Page 2

Obstructed_View

07-13-2010, 01:46 AM

Splitter's contract is not only a good deal for him, his presence on the team suddenly makes Bonner's contract better. Tiago in the rotation takes away many of Bonner's negatives and none of his positives. If Bonner's not going to be asked to defend Pau Gasol and Lamarcus Aldridge in the post every night, and can go back to being a role player who shoots threes and creates an occasional mismatch, the Spurs are suddenly that much better. In other words, you don't need Bonner to hit 40 percent from three every single time he's on the floor in order to make up for what you lose on the other end. He's a much more effective weapon if you can choose your spots.

EricB

07-13-2010, 01:47 AM

Very odd off-season for the Spurs FO...

-->draft - very solid.
-->let RJM and Bogans walk - good.
-->RJ opts out! Yippee Ki-yay Motherfucker!!!
-->Bonner re-signs for 16/4 - WTF???
-->Splitter signs 10/3 - WTF??? in a good way.

Odd, to say the least.

If I were a betting man I wouldn't hold steady on that 16 for 4 on Bonner.

Obstructed_View

07-13-2010, 01:48 AM

I'm high on Josh Howard

Who isn't?

Dro210

07-13-2010, 01:48 AM

Very odd off-season for the Spurs FO...

-->draft - very solid.
-->let RJM and Bogans walk - good.
-->RJ opts out! Yippee Ki-yay Motherfucker!!!
-->Bonner re-signs for 16/4 - WTF???
-->Splitter signs 10/3 - WTF??? in a good way.

Odd, to say the least.

Yep, has been odd... I can't help but be disappointed in making so many great moves, and then taking a step back like that. All-in-all this summer has been a success so far tho.

EricB

07-13-2010, 01:55 AM

Who isn't?

American Flag loyalists.

Obstructed_View

07-13-2010, 01:56 AM

If I were a betting man I wouldn't hold steady on that 16 for 4 on Bonner.

Are those numbers confirmed anywhere? I've never been able to find that info anywhere but here.

Blackjack

07-13-2010, 01:57 AM

American Flag loyalists.

Only 'cause their flags aren't made of weed.

TDMVPDPOY

07-13-2010, 01:57 AM

Yep, has been odd... I can't help but be disappointed in making so many great moves, and then taking a step back like that. All-in-all this summer has been a success so far tho.

its like a chess game, take one wrong step and you can lose the whole board game...

RuffnReadyOzStyle

07-13-2010, 01:58 AM

If I were a betting man I wouldn't hold steady on that 16 for 4 on Bonner.

That's just what I read. I hope it's waaaaaaaay off the mark... 8/4 would be about right IMHO. If Pop needs his stretch-4 security blanket, 2mil a yr is a fair price.

Also, Bonner tries really hard and did add to his game last year. At times he even played nice D... I particularly remember one game against Dirk where he did a solid job.

Let's just hope Bonner plays in appropriate spots rather than as a regular rotation guy.

Dro210

07-13-2010, 02:02 AM

its like a chess game, take one wrong step and you can lose the whole board game...

Couldn't agree with you more...

OV, pretty sure those numbers are just speculation.

Obstructed_View

07-13-2010, 02:02 AM

That's just what I read. I hope it's waaaaaaaay off the mark... 8/4 would be about right IMHO. If Pop needs his stretch-4 security blanket, 2mil a yr is a fair price.

Also, Bonner tries really hard and did add to his game last year. At times he even played nice D... I particularly remember one game against Dirk where he did a solid job.

Let's just hope Bonner plays in appropriate spots rather than as a regular rotation guy.

Bonner's a very good to excellent defender as long as you don't overmatch him or expect him to be Rasheed Wallace defending the post. If they didn't overpay for him that's just more good news on all fronts.

If the Bonner numbers on this site are off, that potentially changes the caliber of free agent they can go after, right? Maybe they misreported the Bonner numbers where they did until after RJ's contract is signed.

angelbelow

07-13-2010, 02:03 AM

That's just what I read. I hope it's waaaaaaaay off the mark... 8/4 would be about right IMHO. If Pop needs his stretch-4 security blanket, 2mil a yr is a fair price.

Couldn't agree more. At that price he is paid to do what hes good at - without the added pressure of being expected to do everything else.

angelbelow

07-13-2010, 02:06 AM

Bonner's a very good to excellent defender as long as you don't overmatch him or expect him to be Rasheed Wallace defending the post. If they didn't overpay for him that's just more good news on all fronts.

If the Bonner numbers on this site are off, that potentially changes the caliber of free agent they can go after, right? Maybe they misreported the Bonner numbers where they did until after RJ's contract is signed.

Yeah, hes a good defender because he gives 100% effort on man to man defense. But his presence just gives the offensive player confidence.. and a confident scorer is hard to stop. I think he would benefit from an enforcer defender where hes not afraid to knock people down and rough them up.. I mean he does a good job being physical already. I'm not sure thats within his personality though.. hes too goofy.

RuffnReadyOzStyle

07-13-2010, 02:08 AM

Bonner's a very good to excellent defender as long as you don't overmatch him or expect him to be Rasheed Wallace defending the post. If they didn't overpay for him that's just more good news on all fronts.

:wow

Really? I'd go as high as good when he's in the right matchup, but excellent!? WhatyousmokinWillis? :lmao

But yeah, I don't mind Bonner as long as he plays against the right teams and in appropriate situations. I have also come to enjoy his fake-and-go-to-the-hole-for-ugly-running-hook-that-hits-nothing-but-net play. He hits it most of the time, strangely. :lol

TDMVPDPOY

07-13-2010, 02:09 AM

bonner aint worth the pay rise he got, if the spurs offered him the minimum, he wouldve taken it...

DrSteffo

07-13-2010, 02:12 AM

Great news!!! Before reading Bruno's posts I would not have thought a deal like this was possible but he is usually right...:toast

Splitter just got married, will play in the nba on a great team and earn millions of dollars. Would be kind of stupid to feel sorry for him I guess. (Well I never met his wife hehe).

I hope we go for the best defender among the available SF's and a Spurs type team player. Should be much more important to find a SF than finding a 6th big. RJ will return I guess but still need a backup.

Man In Black

07-13-2010, 02:12 AM

Who isn't?
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Go Josh Howard!

Dro210

07-13-2010, 02:20 AM

Cut the years down to 3, and keep the money around $2-2.5 million and I'll completely shut up about Bonner... I don't really want him here, but I could live with that.

I've been thinking maybe one of the reasons they want to keep Bonner around is to give Ryan Richards a blueprint of how they want him to play within the system, while bringing his athleticism to it. I don't know if he can be that good of a shooter tho. Hard to base it off youtube highlight videos and draft scouting reports, but he seems to at least have the potential to be. What do yall think? Logical reasoning?

I guess it would all depend on how high the Spurs are on Richards... he may be just an afterthought to them, in which case no way that's one of the reasons... but if they're high on him, it could very well played a part.

analyzed

07-13-2010, 02:30 AM

Are you kidding me Bonner was signed close to or more than Splitter's total package. The one thing you hope won't happen is if Pop gives Bonner minutes at the expense of developing Splitter. I don't care if Splitter plays like crap in his first few games. give him the minutes ! You'r better off with him commiting all kinds of rookie mistakes with the hope that he can be a major contibutor sooner or in time for the playoffs rather than use an efficent Bonner ( who knows the system , won't make many mistakes) but is totally useless come playoff time. You can give Bonner all the minutes possible and he still won't be able to defend a Gasol or Odom in the playoffs, at least with Splitter you have a fighting chance.

EricB

07-13-2010, 02:45 AM

:wow

Really? I'd go as high as good when he's in the right matchup, but excellent!? WhatyousmokinWillis? :lmao

But yeah, I don't mind Bonner as long as he plays against the right teams and in appropriate situations. I have also come to enjoy his fake-and-go-to-the-hole-for-ugly-running-hook-that-hits-nothing-but-net play. He hits it most of the time, strangely. :lol

For as much as he choked in the playoffs, The guy isn't that bad of a player.

Thats why I always find the overreaction to Matt Bonner laughable.

Is he a reliable starting 4? Hell no.

Is he a good off the bench big that can contribute to a winning team?

Hell yes.

Don't over rely on him and everything is fine. Thats been the problem the last two years, he's been over relied on way too much.

Now, if Splitter pans out, he will not be relied on THEORETICALLY.

Thats why per se, I wasn't ready to storm the ATT Center with a damn pitchfork when they said he'd been resigned. If they had signed just him, and not Splitter or anyone else? Then yeah, offseason fail.

For me the offseason hinges on who they get at the wing position defensively.

A player like Raja Bell has been needed for a while.

Kori Ellis

07-13-2010, 03:13 AM

My guess is Bonner really got 4 years, $11-12 million ...performance incentives, 4th year team option. No one has confirmed that he got a raise. That article we all read might have just assumed so.

mountainballer

07-13-2010, 03:19 AM

don't know if posted yet:

Tiago Splitter contract is actually 3 years for $10.9 million with Spurs, league source says. He will make $3.4 million this season.
http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/18393536959

EricB

07-13-2010, 03:24 AM

polandprzem

07-13-2010, 03:27 AM

I'm still waiting for an insider

angelbelow

07-13-2010, 03:29 AM

My guess is Bonner really got 4 years, $11-12 million ...performance incentives, 4th year team option. No one has confirmed that he got a raise. That article we all read might have just assumed so.

I'm hoping he gets 4 years 8 million.. because then hes actually getting paid for what hes good at. 2 million for a good to ocassional great shooter off the bench that can't otherwise contribute consistently in any other area. With that contract maybe the fans won't overreact so much to his shortcomings.

RuffnReadyOzStyle

07-13-2010, 06:19 AM

My guess is Bonner really got 4 years, $11-12 million ...performance incentives, 4th year team option. No one has confirmed that he got a raise. That article we all read might have just assumed so.

Yeah, I read a few sources again and they all said "a raise from his $3.2mil last season", but intimated that it was a small raise ie. 3.3/3.4mil for next season. That means your suggestion above sounds very likely. If there are performance bonuses and a team option on the 4th year, that contract isn't too bad. Not ideal, but nothing to get annoyed about.

And let's not forget that Matt seems to be a great, down-to-earth guy, and I'd bet he's a good presence in the lockerroom. As a 9-10th guy with experience and hustle, that contract is okay, especially if he starts nailing his 3s again. We don't really want him to play much in the post-season, but as one of the guys who plays a role to get us there on a contract slightly above his ability, I'm down.

Obstructed_View

07-13-2010, 08:18 AM

:wow

Really? I'd go as high as good when he's in the right matchup, but excellent!? WhatyousmokinWillis? :lmao

He gets burned by the top 20 post bigs in the NBA. Those guys score on everyone. He's always in position and always has a hand up on them, and he can cover everyone else and his team defense is very good. That makes him better than average. The fact that he's been improperly utilized and asked to do things that are far beyond his capabilities isn't his fault. Again, hopefully Splitter's going to be getting a lot more of those assignments going forward and we can see how Bonner adjusts to the lightened load in situations where the Spurs can dictate the mismatch for a change.

Seventyniner

07-13-2010, 09:13 AM

He gets burned by the top 20 post bigs in the NBA. Those guys score on everyone. He's always in position and always has a hand up on them, and he can cover everyone else and his team defense is very good. That makes him better than average. The fact that he's been improperly utilized and asked to do things that are far beyond his capabilities isn't his fault. Again, hopefully Splitter's going to be getting a lot more of those assignments going forward and we can see how Bonner adjusts to the lightened load in situations where the Spurs can dictate the mismatch for a change.

+1

Bonner defending a #1 or #2 big is far from ideal, but he should do a good job against a #3 or #4 big.

rmt

07-13-2010, 09:25 AM

If so many fans are complaining about Bonner now, think what it'll be like 4 years from now when he's even slower. If he were being paid the min and not played much, it wouldn't be bad. That's like the difference between Shaq at min (hell, yes!) and $20mil (no way).

But at 3.5mil, Bonner's going to be played to the detriment of Splitter and Blair. Pop won't be able to help himself. Bonner's contract is as bad as Splitter's was good so I should think of it as Bonner getting what Splitter should have gotten and let it go.

lotr1trekkie

07-13-2010, 09:29 AM

It still works out to the law of S and D. Some teams are smarter about it and some teams[NY] don't have to worry about it and never have.

How many players are actually not OVERPAID in the NBA? Name them. It would be a short list.
Primarily, most owners are are more concerned with the value of the franchise than winning. Example, the Dallas Cowboys have done squat for a decade or more. The franchise is worth twice as much. In other words owners make more money in appreciation then they do in winning. The Cavs owner was so pissed off because the value of it decreased 20%. Even if Miami doesn't win a championship, the owners are much richer for their investment. I have always been amazed when watching the Spurs play in Miami that half the seats were empty at tipoff and most empty during the last 10 minutes. Miami now becomes Lakers-East! $5000 to $10,000 seats at courtside. Cameras covering the beautiful people attending games.
Can we at least rename the team the SOUTH BEACH HEAT.

rmt

07-13-2010, 09:36 AM

That's what I regret most about the Lebron/Wade/Bosh thing. I won't be able to sit behind the visitor's bench when the Spurs come to town. Last year interest in the Heat was so lacking, I sat 2 rows right behind the bench for $123. Great seats and the players are so much faster than they seem on TV. Here's to hoping that the Spurs come in March/April and some of this craziness wears off by then.

silk

07-13-2010, 09:42 AM

Best contract of the summer so far

ffadicted

07-13-2010, 10:01 AM

I would be happy about this, but the FO fucked it all up by giving Bonner so much, so I'll remain neutral

Samr

07-13-2010, 11:40 AM

Not every contract is going to be perfect, and Bonner's (reported) contract is for a bit above the $2 mill a year he should probably get. But, it's tolerable, and it could be worse. Bonner is a serviceable role player, and he has a skill set that is somewhat unique, valuable, proven, and getting better (he *drives* now too, apparently). As a spot player, I say it's fine. Having a big man to occasionally space the floor is a big deal, and could make the difference in a few games. And those games could make the difference.

Where this relates to Tiago is, I think we're all just afraid of Bonner getting big minutes. And with Splitter now signed and sealed, that just won't happen.

DBMethos

07-13-2010, 12:06 PM

Having a big man to occasionally space the floor is a big deal, and could make the difference in a few games. And those games could make the difference.

Only problem is that Bonner is only capable of spreading the floor in games that don't make a difference.

Marcus Bryant

07-13-2010, 12:13 PM

I would be happy about this, but the FO fucked it all up by giving Bonner so much, so I'll remain neutral

What exactly did they fuck up? Even if that contract was 4 years/$15 mil fully guaranteed, that's significantly less than the NBA average salary over those 4 years. And thanks to the Bird Rights the Spurs have with him, re-signing him doesn't require using either cap exception.

Bonner is by no means a favorite of mine. Frankly I was hoping that he'd be gone this offseason. But this angst about his contract is silly. And comparing it to Splitter's contract is nonsensical as the Spurs held Splitter's draft rights and could dictate his entry into the NBA. If Splitter was a true NBA free agent there's no way he'd get less than Bonner.

The things this board obsesses over...

polandprzem

07-13-2010, 12:23 PM

Only problem is that Bonner is only capable of spreading the floor in games that don't make a difference.
I would not be so sure.

Anybody considered Pop trying lineup with Split Dunc and Bone ?

Obstructed_View

07-13-2010, 01:44 PM

Only problem is that Bonner is only capable of spreading the floor in games that don't make a difference.

He's capable of doing a lot more than he's done. He's been asked to do more than he's capable of doing far too often. Let's see how he does if the team can develop some kind of rotation so he knows what's expected of him for a change.

Whisky Dog

07-13-2010, 02:14 PM

Hopefully Bonner is signing for the 3 yr 8 to 9 mil range. I would rather have a guy we don't know will choke in the playoffs, but Bonner at least can help Dice and TD get to April with a hopefully rejuvenated and fresh game. One the POs start his ass needs to be firmly planted on the bench.

I disagree that we don't know what he can do in the playoffs if he has a defined role. He's had a definied role for 2 yrs as the big who shoots 3s and he still disppears in the playoffs. Some guys just don't have ability to be clutch. Someguys like Bonner are just chokers

Obstructed_View

07-13-2010, 02:45 PM

I disagree that we don't know what he can do in the playoffs if he has a defined role. He's had a definied role for 2 yrs as the big who shoots 3s and he still disppears in the playoffs. Some guys just don't have ability to be clutch. Someguys like Bonner are just chokers

The vast majority of the last two years he was either the first big off the bench or the starting center getting the assignment of defending the other team's best post player. Don't know about you, but that's a poorly defined role for a three point shooting power forward in my opinion.

Dex

07-13-2010, 02:52 PM

Obstructed_View

07-13-2010, 03:08 PM

Unless you are Robert Horry.

Note to Pop: Matt Bonner is a far cry from Robert Horry.

Horry wasn't starting, wasn't the primary post defender, and didn't play very many minutes. Bonner might actually be able to play a Robert Horry type role if he ever got a chance to play that way.

Note to everyone: The one time Horry was asked to play that role was in the '06 playoffs. That didn't work out well.

cantthinkofanything

07-13-2010, 03:17 PM

He's been asked to do more than he's capable of doing far too often.

WHAT!?!??!! All we are aksing him to do is hit the three. I think everyone would be willing to cut him some slack on his crappy defense if he COULD JUST HIT A THREE POINTER IN A PRESSURE SITUATION.

Obstructed_View

07-13-2010, 03:21 PM

WHAT!?!??!! All we are aksing him to do is hit the three. I think everyone would be willing to cut him some slack on his crappy defense if he COULD JUST HIT A THREE POINTER IN A PRESSURE SITUATION.

Not sure what team you've been watching for the past two seasons.

ElNono

07-13-2010, 03:25 PM

Horry wasn't starting, wasn't the primary post defender, and didn't play very many minutes. Bonner might actually be able to play a Robert Horry type role if he ever got a chance to play that way.

Note to everyone: The one time Horry was asked to play that role was in the '06 playoffs. That didn't work out well.

Robert Horry could bang with anybody in the post. He was a great post defender that always managed to disrupt the offense with a tap and steal, or by a timely blocked shot. He also knew how to effectively take charges.

Horry was much more than a one-trick pony. That's exactly why Matt will never be able to play Horry's role.

cantthinkofanything

07-13-2010, 03:26 PM

Not sure what team you've been watching for the past two seasons.

Are you saying that Matt Bonner has made big shots when they mattered? I'm not talking about meaningless games in the middle of the season. I'm talking about Steve Kerr, Robert Horry playoff shots.

Whisky Dog

07-13-2010, 03:28 PM

The vast majority of the last two years he was either the first big off the bench or the starting center getting the assignment of defending the other team's best post player. Don't know about you, but that's a poorly defined role for a three point shooting power forward in my opinion.

The telling sign to me is that yes Pop asked him to do to much and it was a bad role for him, but it was the same role he played all season. It wasn't like once the playoffs started he was thrust into a different role from what he played all year. During the season he showed promise and hit shots when it was a regular season game with no pressure. In the same situations in the playoffs for 2 straight seasons he has failed to even come close to maintaining his effectiveness from those regular season games. To me, 2 consecutive playoffs with the same trend after two fairly good regular seasons is a sign of a pressure choker.

ElNono

07-13-2010, 03:34 PM

Obstructed_View

07-13-2010, 03:41 PM

Robert Horry could bang with anybody in the post. He was a great post defender that always managed to disrupt the offense with a tap and steal, or by a timely blocked shot. He also knew how to effectively take charges.

Horry was much more than a one-trick pony. That's exactly why Matt will never be able to play Horry's role.

Horry played very few minutes, almost never started and was NOT the primary post defender at any time when he was a Spur, aside from the '06 playoffs when the Spurs played .500 ball and lost to a team they should have beaten easily.

ChumpDumper

07-13-2010, 03:44 PM

Robert Horry could bang with anybody in the post.That reminds me when he tried to defend Shaq. He couldn't bang with everybody.

Obstructed_View

07-13-2010, 03:44 PM

Let's get this straight...

When he's the king of +/- and shooting 40% from 3PT in the regular season it's because he grew into his role, but when he fails to meet those same standards in the playoffs it's because that's not his role?

What is his role? Riding the pine when the playoffs come around? I'm good with that.

This year he shot 39 percent in the regular season, and 37 percent in the playoffs, 46 percent against Phoenix. What standards did he fail to meet if all you care about is his three point shooting?

Obstructed_View

07-13-2010, 03:45 PM

In the same situations in the playoffs for 2 straight seasons he has failed to even come close to maintaining his effectiveness from those regular season games.

Whoops, don't let facts get in the way, there.

ElNono

07-13-2010, 04:08 PM

Horry played very few minutes, almost never started and was NOT the primary post defender at any time when he was a Spur, aside from the '06 playoffs when the Spurs played .500 ball and lost to a team they should have beaten easily.

Horry averaged 17 mpg as a Spur, except for his last season. That's just 3 mins less than Bonner.
And lol @ not being the primary post defender at any time... Between him and Oberto covered the top bigs on the other teams alll the way to the 4th quarter, when Timmy usually took over.

But more importantly, he was the big closing games right next to Tim. For every 2006 reference you throw, I can throw a 2005 finals reference right back at you. Or even 2007...

This is not debatable. Horry was not Jordan, but he was miles and bounds above a guy like Bonner.

ElNono

07-13-2010, 04:09 PM

That reminds me when he tried to defend Shaq. He couldn't bang with everybody.

lol, well Robert came to us a little old. But we had Oberto then to play against Shaq, or even Tim in the last few seasons.

ElNono

07-13-2010, 04:18 PM

This year he shot 39 percent in the regular season, and 37 percent in the playoffs, 46 percent against Phoenix. What standards did he fail to meet if all you care about is his three point shooting?

He shot 31% for the series against Dallas, and while you want to point out how good he was against Phoenix, his numbers are severely skewed. In the last game, he only took 3 shots from downtown (made 2) in 30 minutes of play.
He had a decent game 3, with 4 shots (made 3) in 20 minutes. He was a no show in game 2, 0-3 from downtown in 15 mins. Somebody else can fill in what he looked like in game 1, but I doubt he was anything but average.

And personally, I'm more concerned with the defensive side on the PF position than his 3 point shot. Tim simply isn't the dominating guy on the glass anymore and it's a disservice to play a dud like Bonner next to him.

Obstructed_View

07-13-2010, 04:24 PM

And personally, I'm more concerned with the defensive side on the PF position than his 3 point shot. Tim simply isn't the dominating guy on the glass anymore and it's a disservice to play a dud like Bonner next to him.

You should pick a position and stick to it. You suggested that his shooting percentage went way down in the playoffs. When pointed out that it didn't you suddenly switch to the fact that he shouldn't be playing post defense which is what I've been saying all along.

By the way, Nazr and Duncan were the post defenders in 05, and Oberto and Elson got minutes at center in 07. Check your facts before spouting off. Horry was a great role player, but let's be clear on what he was and what he wasn't if we're going to ask someone else to step into that role.

Marcus Bryant

07-13-2010, 04:26 PM

So it's been established that Bonner is not Horry. Cool.

Bonner, at least, can knock down 3s in the regular season at a high rate and help you win some games as a reserve big. I didn't want Bonner back, but I can understand why the Spurs might want him back on a relatively small contract and I'm too old to care much more about this. Late.

Obstructed_View

07-13-2010, 04:32 PM

Agreed with MB. Basically instead of comparing him to Horry we should be comparing him to Finley.

Bonner should play ten to twelve minutes per game when the matchups favor it, and he should get a few three point attempts, and his minutes can be managed based on how he's shooting. It's nice knowing that he can play servicable defense in a pinch and that he won't just immediately allow the other team to go off like Finley did.

ElNono

07-13-2010, 04:44 PM

You should pick a position and stick to it. You suggested that his shooting percentage went way down in the playoffs. When pointed out that it didn't you suddenly switch to the fact that he shouldn't be playing post defense which is what I've been saying all along.

His 3 point shooting was indeed below average and so was his +/-. It's a fact. You want to cherrypick on the fact that he had two games where he averaged 66% and 75% which actually have to do with the fact that he was too chickenshit to take more shots.

I'm gonna put it third grader terms, so even you can understand: In 10 playoffs games, he shot under 40% in 8 of them, and over in only 2 of them.

And BTW, he's playing PF. Ofcourse he's going to be tasked with defending the post. What other PF we ever had that didn't guard the post?

By the way, Nazr and Duncan were the post defenders in 05, and Oberto and Elson got minutes at center in 07. Check your facts before spouting off. Horry was a great role player, but let's be clear on what he was and what he wasn't if we're going to ask someone else to step into that role.

lol, who was closing the Pistons in game 5 in the NBA Finals in Detroit? Nazr?

I'll give you that Oberto took the reigns of the position in 2007, however Horry was still serviceable. This is against the Cavs that year:

P_1nifNn730

ElNono

07-13-2010, 04:47 PM

Obstructed_View

07-13-2010, 04:56 PM

His 3 point shooting was indeed below average and so was his +/-. It's a fact. You want to cherrypick on the fact that he had two games where he averaged 66% and 75% which actually have to do with the fact that he was too chickenshit to take more shots.

I'm gonna put it third grader terms, so even you can understand: In 10 playoffs games, he shot under 40% in 8 of them, and over in only 2 of them.

And BTW, he's playing PF. Ofcourse he's going to be tasked with defending the post. What other PF we ever had that didn't guard the post?

When I listed his shooting percentages from basketball-reference.com, there's no cherry-picking involved. Bonner shot his average for the playoffs. You can't say that he didn't.

Bonner was a center while he was starting and when he was the first big off the bench, and he was defending the other team's best post player for long stretches. Horry was NEVER asked to do that, and we've made it pretty clear that Horry was a far better player than Bonner.

At no time was Bonner treated like a three point shooting role-player. We've established that he can't do the things that Robert Horry did and he's being asked to do way more. That's why so many people were excited by Pop Mensah Bonsu on the Spurs.

Again, since the reality is that he's here, he needs to be Jaren Jackson for a while to see how he does. He should never be on the floor long enough to hurt the team. A three point specialist should come in, take some shots and go to the bench as soon as he stops hitting them. Rinse and repeat.

Obstructed_View

07-13-2010, 04:57 PM

He's going to be here for 4 more seasons, and I can't do shit other than hope he doesn't get the minutes and bitch about it over here, so gimmie a goddamn break.... :lol

He shouldn't have that much impact on the game. At worst he should be Roger Mason collecting a check and missing a couple of shots here and there. The fact that he's got so many people complaining is yet another indication of how poorly he's been utilized.

Obstructed_View

07-13-2010, 05:02 PM

lol, who was closing the Pistons in game 5 in the NBA Finals in Detroit? Nazr?

If you're expecting Bonner to equal Horry's greatest single playoff performance of his career, I'd say you're setting the bar a tad high for Matty.

analyzed

07-13-2010, 05:10 PM

good post from 48minofhell

Buford and Popovich could solve the economy if so inclined

Jump to Comments (http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2010/07/13/buford-and-popovich-could-solve-the-economy-if-so-inclined/#comments) Next summer, when the league is in the midst of a lockout and we struggle to find topics to write about, there should be a wealth of information to look back on from this summer as to why the NBA is in such dire financial difficulties.
Cap space may have been in abundance, but common sense has been a rare commodity (http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2010/07/02/spurs-forced-to-suffer-fools-gladly/)among general managers. David Kahn appears poised to add another point guard (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/luke-ridnour-nears-four-year-deal-with-timberwolves-to-add-to-teams-point-guard-collection.php). The Knicks are open to the possibility of another run with Isiah Thomas (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/The-New-York-Knicks-are-gluttons-for-punishment?urn=nba,255410).
But rather than dedicate what could be an endless number of words towards questioning offseason moves, here is a list of a few big men and how their salaries stack up to the reported 3 years, $11 million the Spurs signed Splitter for (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/Splitter_is_a_Spur_at_last_98289649.html?showFullA rticle=y). (source for salaries: Yahoo Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AlUZ8BWeTGenAgzyqaGZaBK8vLYF?slug=ys-nbafreeagenttracker2010)):

Channing Frye (http://valleyofthesuns.com/2010/07/02/channing-frye-right-price/) 5 years, $30 million
Drew Gooden (http://www.bucksketball.com/2010/07/playing-pluses-and-minuses-with-the-drew-gooden-signing/) 5 years, $32 million
Brendan Haywood (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/brendan-haywood-reaches-deal-to-return-to-dallas.php) 6 years, $55 million
Amir Johnson (http://raptorsrepublic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2668) 5 years, $32 million
David Lee (http://www.warriorsworld.net/quick-thoughts-on-david-lee-and-anthony-randolph/) 6 years, $80 million
Darko Milicic (http://www.awolfamongwolves.com/?p=94) 4 years, $20 million
Jermaine O’Neal (http://http://celticshub.com/2010/07/08/oneal-signs-for-mid-level/)2 years, $12 million
Johan Petro (http://netsarescorching.com/2010/07/10/nets-sign-johan-petro-for-10-million-over-three-years/)3 years, $10 million
Nikola Pekovic (http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2010/07/01/tiago-splitter-spurs/) 3 years, $13 million
Tyrus Thomas (http://www.queencityhoops.com/TyrusThomasExtends.php)5 years, $50 million
Hakim Warrick (http://valleyofthesuns.com/2010/07/03/hakim-warrick-a-breakdown-of-the-newest-phoenix-sun/) 4 years, $18 million

The San Antonio Spurs just signed the best big man in Europe for Johan freaking Petro money. For Matt Bonner money (http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2010/07/09/san-antonio-spurs-resign-matt-bonner/). It’s official, Popovich and Buford have that Jedi mind trick down. I’m convinced if they ran for office they would be able to solve the economy simply by convincing debt collectors to take less money.
But in defense of President Obama, he doesn’t have Tim Duncan to make it all work. And Popovich and Buford didn’t have to step in and replace Isiah Thomas in the front office.

rmt

07-13-2010, 05:17 PM

He's going to be here for 4 more seasons, and I can't do shit other than hope he doesn't get the minutes and bitch about it over here, so gimmie a goddamn break.... :lol

Ditto

When I listed his shooting percentages from basketball-reference.com, there's no cherry-picking involved. Bonner shot his average for the playoffs. You can't say that he didn't.

Bonner was a center while he was starting and when he was the first big off the bench, and he was defending the other team's best post player for long stretches. Horry was NEVER asked to do that, and we've made it pretty clear that Horry was a far better player than Bonner.

At no time was Bonner treated like a three point shooting role-player. We've established that he can't do the things that Robert Horry did and he's being asked to do way more. That's why so many people were excited by Pop Mensah Bonsu on the Spurs.

Again, since the reality is that he's here, he needs to be Jaren Jackson for a while to see how he does. He should never be on the floor long enough to hurt the team. A three point specialist should come in, take some shots and go to the bench as soon as he stops hitting them. Rinse and repeat.

What about the wide open shots that he passed up - giving the ball back to Parker when the shot clock is winding down?

I wish he could "come in, take some shots and go to the bench as soon as he stops hitting them" (ala Steve Kerr) but he can't. He needs to play which will take away minutes from Splitter and Blair. We won't go into getting the money and years that he did - I'm sure Steve Kerr didn't get that and he played that role to a tee plus mentoring.

ElNono

07-13-2010, 05:25 PM

When I listed his shooting percentages from basketball-reference.com, there's no cherry-picking involved. Bonner shot his average for the playoffs. You can't say that he didn't.

Bonner was a center while he was starting and when he was the first big off the bench, and he was defending the other team's best post player for long stretches. Horry was NEVER asked to do that, and we've made it pretty clear that Horry was a far better player than Bonner.

At no time was Bonner treated like a three point shooting role-player. We've established that he can't do the things that Robert Horry did and he's being asked to do way more. That's why so many people were excited by Pop Mensah Bonsu on the Spurs.

Again, since the reality is that he's here, he needs to be Jaren Jackson for a while to see how he does. He should never be on the floor long enough to hurt the team. A three point specialist should come in, take some shots and go to the bench as soon as he stops hitting them. Rinse and repeat.

If you're telling me we play Bonner at SF, and we have two legitimate bigs defending the paint, then I have no problem with that. But that's not how we play, and that's what my biggest beef is (which coincidentally is not necessarily with Bonner, but with Pop really).

If he can't play PF in this league, then stop playing him in the PF position. This isn't rocket science.

ElNono

07-13-2010, 05:28 PM

He shouldn't have that much impact on the game. At worst he should be Roger Mason collecting a check and missing a couple of shots here and there. The fact that he's got so many people complaining is yet another indication of how poorly he's been utilized.

He played 30 minutes in an elimination game. I concur he shouldn't have as much impact, but he does. It's not really his fault, but it has gotten to the point where if he's here it looks like he's going to play, so I really want him out of here.

Obstructed_View

07-13-2010, 06:16 PM

If you're telling me we play Bonner at SF, and we have two legitimate bigs defending the paint, then I have no problem with that. But that's not how we play, and that's what my biggest beef is (which coincidentally is not necessarily with Bonner, but with Pop really).

If he can't play PF in this league, then stop playing him in the PF position. This isn't rocket science.

Pretty much agreed on all points. I think he can play PF, but he's not a starter, and he's not a guy you should be putting on the other team's best big because you're afraid to put Duncan on him. I've been on the Bonner as a 3 in a big lineup train for a while, but it won't happen.

I think Bonner's useless to the Spurs at this point, partially because of Bonner, but mostly because of the way he's used. If there's any value to be gotten out of him it's as a potiential 15 points in 8 minutes guy every few games like Finley was.

Obstructed_View

07-13-2010, 06:18 PM

He played 30 minutes in an elimination game. I concur he shouldn't have as much impact, but he does. It's not really his fault, but it has gotten to the point where if he's here it looks like he's going to play, so I really want him out of here.

Agreed. I don't like him nearly as much as it sounds like I do.

ElNono

07-13-2010, 06:20 PM

Oh well, we'll re-edit this rant 4 seasons from now, when he's 34 and he gets a Finley-like deal for 2 more seasons... :pctoss

024

07-13-2010, 06:25 PM

splitter still has to prove he's better than petro. i like the signing though. cheap, high reward, and have splitter locked up for 3 years.

Gagnrath

07-13-2010, 09:18 PM

My Fault

07-13-2010, 09:24 PM

I don't have a problem with Bonner coming back. During the regular season he would be great and burning minutes so Timmy can rest as well as helping win some games. In the playoffs this year I don't expect to see much of him with Blair no longer a rookie and the addition of Splitter. Its up to Blair to expand his game to slide over to PF to prevent more of Bonner than needed.

Obstructed_View

07-13-2010, 09:44 PM

Bonner is not a 3..... Bonner is not a 3. Just letting pretty much everyone know that defending the 3 brings out the main problem bonner has far mor than defending in the post does. That is he simply doesn't have the speed to stay with more athletic players. He doesn't have the size and speed to stay with the top power forwards and centers either but those guys also burn up everyone but other top power forwards and centers. Bonner is a not particularly large power-forward who has a pretty good 3 point shot and adequate defense. He also hustles so he gets decent rebounds for his position.

I'm not sure what anyone is thinking saying he can guard the small forward spot. Its not the starting power forwards of the world that bonner is asked to guard anyways but the JJ Hicksons and Glen Davises.

With shot blockers behind him, he doesn't have to shut down the more athletic threes. In fact, defense should never be part of the equation. As a big three point shooter, he's there to create a mismatch and get quick points in spot minutes. You can cross match him with fours depending on the matchups, but the whole point is to maximize his plus minus when he's on the floor, simple as that.

And if he'd been asked to guard the backups all this time, people wouldn't hate him so much.

analyzed

07-14-2010, 12:11 AM

its official Bonner got $ 16 m for 4 years ( $ 4 M a year compared to Splitter's $ 3.3)
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/spurs_splurge_on_bonner_98386754.html

I'm speachless !

angelbelow

07-14-2010, 12:27 AM

Dro210

07-14-2010, 12:29 AM

ducks

07-14-2010, 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by Bruno View Post

Bonner contract start at $3.05M per realgm.

TD 21

07-14-2010, 01:38 AM

its official Bonner got $ 16 m for 4 years ( $ 4 M a year compared to Splitter's $ 3.3)
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/spurs_splurge_on_bonner_98386754.html

I'm speachless !

Anyone still think he'll be the fifth big and play 10-12 minutes?

I have a bad feeling that the Spurs are going to work Splitter in slowly. I wouldn't even put it past Pop to start the season with him as the fifth big and play him 10-12 mpg. Eventually, I'd be surprised if he can't at least become the fourth big, but if/when he does, it'll probably be at the expense of Blair. Barring massive improvements in his game, my guess is he's the odds on favorite to get squeezed when the playoff rotation is set.

Bonner's mpg may not indicate it, but he'll probably be the third big. A constant in the rotation throughout the season, playing relatively consistent minutes compared to McDyess, Blair and Splitter.