Tyson Chandler traded to Dallas

[DPG21920]

I do believe that they got him mainly for his expiring contract and not because of his play. He'd had injury problems and they had just inked Haywood to a big deal thinking he was going to be the answer at Center. Now I bet they're wishing Chandler was still under contract and they didn't have to pay him.

Who would have thought Mark and Donnie would be right all along: The Dust Chip did yield us the missing piece for a title. :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I really don't see any accurate predictions about Tyson Chandler in this thread, from anybody.

[DPG21920]

So in looking back, me taking my time to really assess what is going on vs just raging into a terrible take (like some posters) allowed for me to see things differently. No one could have expected Tyson to have such a great year, but when you realize they bought themselves time and could have used him as trade bait (large expiring contract/big man), or they took a gamble that he could get back to form and help out.




I was pretty calm about the trade from the beginning. I obviously had no idea that the Chandler that looked injury prone and done for the past 3 years would magically play some of the best ball of his career.

Like I said earlier, it is amazing how much being healthy has helped him. I didn't know his injuries were that bad previously.

I still think the Mavs are even surprised by this and I still think they got him knowing he was a tradeable asset if he didn't work out. I think they wanted some interior defense and extra length and he was the best available.

[DPG21920]

I really don't see any accurate predictions about Tyson Chandler in this thread, from anybody.

Oh, hi there! So you didn't see a noticeable difference in some guys raging and saying there was no way this was good vs other posters saying it was a gamble, but there was potential and he did buy them extra time to do another trade if it doesn't work out?

[DAF86]

I really don't see any accurate predictions about Tyson Chandler in this thread, from anybody.

This seems like a very accurate prediction about Tyson Chandler, imvho:


I think this move will be a lot better than what Mavs fans think, and the Jefferson one wouldn't have been as good as they thought it could be.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I was pretty calm about the trade from the beginning. I obviously had no idea that the Chandler that looked injury prone and done for the past 3 years would magically play some of the best ball of his career.

Like I said earlier, it is amazing how much being healthy has helped him. I didn't know his injuries were that bad previously.

I still think the Mavs are even surprised by this and I still think they got him knowing he was a tradeable asset if he didn't work out. I think they wanted some interior defense and extra length and he was the best available.
So a post when the Mavs were 23-5 with Tyson playing great basketball and every Mavs fan on this site already on the TC bandwagon somehow means you were right about Chandler?

[DPG21920]

At least we are talking basketball. I said they bought themselves time - I also said they took a risk (which obvious to anyone was understood what that risk was - that he works out and they dont need to trade him).

I didn't say he would for sure be traded - they did buy themselves more time and Tyson just worked out to where they didn't see the need (the risk they took paid off).

If you just stop and look back at this, it's a good exercise to see the type of basketball personality posters have and we can learn.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

This seems like a very accurate prediction about Tyson Chandler, imvho:
I stand corrected. That actually was accurate.

[DPG21920]

Oh, hi there! So you didn't see a noticeable difference in some guys raging and saying there was no way this was good vs other posters saying it was a gamble, but there was potential and he did buy them extra time to do another trade if it doesn't work out?


So a post when the Mavs were 23-5 with Tyson playing great basketball and every Mavs fan on this site already on the TC bandwagon somehow means you were right about Chandler?

Can you answer the above?

Also, that post was just me expanding on the points that I made at the beginning. I wasn't "right" about Tyson Chandler in the sense that I said he would have some miraculous season. I was right however in seeing some of the logic behind the trade (explaining the Damp Chip was use it or lose it and that Tyson bought them essentially more time to look for trades. I also said they were taking a "risk" cleary stating that it wasn't likely he worked out as a player, but acknowledging it could happen).

So was M>S right or wrong entirely about the trade based on his initial reaction vs mine?

[Latarian Milton]

i believe i did drop several positive responses in this thread under the westacked troll, they put it on all-ignore list maybe so you don't see those posts

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Can you answer the above?

Also, that post was just me expanding on the points that I made at the beginning. I wasn't "right" about Tyson Chandler in the sense that I said he would have some miraculous season. I was right however in seeing some of the logic behind the trade (explaining the Damp Chip was use it or lose it and that Tyson bought them essentially more time to look for trades. I also said they were taking a "risk" cleary stating that it wasn't likely he worked out as a player, but acknowledging it could happen).

So was M>S right or wrong entirely about the trade based on his initial reaction vs mine?
I never said M>S was right, he was obviously wrong.

:lol that post did a lot more than "expand on points you made." You hadn't made any points about the Mavs going after Tyson for his interior defense until after he had provided dominant interior defense for 20+ games.

I guess using vague terms like "It's a risk!" so you can qualify what you meant by saying "It's a risk!" is a fool proof way of saying you were right.

[DPG21920]

shut the fuck up you stupid fucking piece of shit

is that houston humidity getting to your head enough to make you forget you're a rocket fan? lol rocket fan talking shit, what a joke


FUCK YOU DONNIE

FUCK YOU MARK CUBAN

fuck this cursed shit ass franchise to hell


has dirk signed the contract yet or is it still possible for him to back out? i want to see this team crash and fucking burn


you're looking at the first and only Dallas Heat fan

i'm a trend setter. i set trends

Some people were clearly upset - other were just flat out completely wrong and didn't see any good or potential in the trade.

[Latarian Milton]

i think i was the only one who praised this deal on a tactical basis tbh, dallas got a significant upgrade at the center position which had long been their weakest link the years before, and "even though they didn't get a bigname like iggy, they got a defensive freak in TC who would do dem a lot more benefit than iggy or anyone would have"

[Latarian Milton]

no one thought this deal would turn out to be such a HUGE success, TC was limited at offensive end and also injury prone to some extent, but i knew it was really not a bad move imho.

[Latarian Milton]

mono pervaded the typical overall reactions from mavs fans at the time when the deal was just done, they thought they wasted the "DUST chip" and it was at finest a lateral move. mono's rant thread has been dug out of the dust many times IIRC tbh

[DPG21920]

Tyson is not even a huge upgrade over what damp brought as a basketball player in recent years let alone contract value. So they used a great expiring contract to get more expiring contracts?


This is a gamble by the mavs.


I never said M>S was right, he was obviously wrong.

:lol that post did a lot more than "expand on points you made." You hadn't made any points about the Mavs going after Tyson for his interior defense until after he had provided dominant interior defense for 20+ games.

I guess using vague terms like "It's a risk!" so you can qualify what you meant by saying "It's a risk!" is a fool proof way of saying you were right.

:lmao Good call. I used vague terms months in advance on the off chance Tyson Chandler turned the Mavs into contenders. Or, maybe when you look back and I made two clear distinct different types of posts (1 - they bought themselves more time/flexibility by getting an expiring contract, then 2 - that they were also taking a risk) that I feel it's not a stretch to infer with everyone talking about how he's been injured yada yada, that the risk part was somewhat implied.


I never said I was 100% right about Tyson - No one could have expected that. But are you honestly saying you see no difference in my approach and take (with me at least seeing how things could work out in favor of the Mavs) and Tyson's GNSF rant and melt down?

I know you and Tyson are good friends on here, but I am hoping you can answer that honestly.

[ElNono]

He's been playing well for Team USA considering he's pretty much the only big out there

[DPG21920]

There is no vendetta. Just talking basketball on a very good topic IMO. You have some severe self-conscious thing going on apparently. You keep trying to drag others down vs just saying you were completely and utterly wrong with no even a little bit of right mixed in instead of just saying "I had an awful meltdown" and then just moving on IMO.

[DPG21920]

I'm just here to talk basetball. I'm not lowering myself to internet chats with other guys and throwing mud.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol so now DPG's smack talk is, "Ha! I was less wrong than you were!"

[DPG21920]

Your smack is being a jizz shield for Tyson now - which is weird.

How was I wrong - where did I say the Mavs are f*cked or this cannot end well. Are you being obtuse on purpose or are you saying that because I said they bought themselves more time to look for another trade, then ended up not having to trade him that I was wrong because of that?

I never said they have to move him or they are screwed. I outlined the scenario amongst people melting down.

[DPG21920]

Man chat :lol

[DPG21920]

I am not going to engage in personal insults with you. If you would like to keep discussing basketball, you will stop that immediately.

[DPG21920]

I don't want to have to roll up my sleeves and get nasty over the internet.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Your smack is being a jizz shield for Tyson now - which is weird.
:lol no, my smack is making fun of someone for being wrong when you weren't right.


How was I wrong - where did I say the Mavs are f*cked or this cannot end well. Are you being obtuse on purpose or are you saying that because I said they bought themselves more time to look for another trade, then ended up not having to trade him that I was wrong because of that?

I never said they have to move him or they are screwed. I outlined the scenario amongst people melting down.
You outlined basically everything that could happen. You didn't take any particular stance one way or another. You basically said, "This could be a good trade for them or it could be a bad trade for them, or they could just be buying time!" and now you're scoffing someone who actually established a clear opinion rather than standoffishly hedge only to say, "Here's what I meant!" when the Mavs were 23-5.

[DPG21920]

So, long story short, I wasn't wrong then.

So your smack is mocking someone who wasn't wrong for objectively assessing what the trade was about, but not mocking a complete meltdown and someone who was very wrong with their stated stance on the subject even though it was GNSF levels (which you mock all the time).

Ya, that doesn't scream jizz shield.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So, long story short, I wasn't wrong then.

So your smack is mocking someone who wasn't wrong for objectively assessing what the trade was about, but not mocking a complete meltdown and someone who was very wrong with their stated stance on the subject even though it was GNSF levels (which you mock all the time).

Ya, that doesn't scream jizz shield.
You were wrong about Tyson Chandler being an expiring contract they were using to buy time. That's not at all what happened.

[DPG21920]

You were wrong about Tyson Chandler being an expiring contract they were using to buy time. That's not at all what happened.

How was that wrong? Where did I say they must trade him? I said he was an expiring contract so it allowed them more time to search for other trades. That was a part of what happened. I never said "I am 100% sure they are going to trade him". I objectively assessed the angles and how the trade could be ok.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

How was that wrong?
Because that's not what happened.

[DPG21920]

Because that's not what happened.

I didn't say he would be traded. Please link to where I did. You are being obtuse because you need to sheild all that jizz.


What is hard to understand about someone stepping back and essentially saying:

Here is why the trade could be ok: Since Tyson is also an expiring and Dampier was a use it or lose it chip, they bought themselves more time to look at other trades. They are also taking a risk, but there are some ways it could work out.

So you are saying no additional time was bought by flipping Damp for an expiring Tyson Chandler and I was wrong about that?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I objectively assessed the angles and how the trade could be ok.
You hedged your prediction such that it allowed for every possible outcome, i.e., you didn't really make a prediction......until the Mavs were 23-5.

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[DPG21920]

You hedged your prediction such that it allowed for every possible outcome, i.e., you didn't really make a prediction......until the Mavs were 23-5.

So then by that very nature, if I hedged, how can I be wrong :lol

So even if you believe that to be true, you are now talking out of both sides of your jizz infested mouth. You are saying I am wrong and "scoffing posters who are wrong" while at the same time saying I didn't make a prediction and hedged so that I could not be wrong.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So basically DPG is upset no one wants to give him credit for saying, "It could be good, bad, or somewhere in between!"

[DPG21920]

You hedged your prediction such that it allowed for every possible outcome, i.e., you didn't really make a prediction......until the Mavs were 23-5.

Also, this was not about making a prediction. This was not a bet or a back and forth (like when you tried to go at me about Bargnani and we both went on record and I was correct).

This was a reaction to a trade. M>S made his assessment (melted down and saw no potential failing to see some of what was going on). I made my assessment which was more level headed and objective while outlining some of the logic behind the move.

I really don't see your angle here and the stuff that happened later was another extension essentially saying the Mavs took a large risk and got luckier than anyone, including myself, could have imagined.

You look like a jizz sheild tbh

[DPG21920]

So basically DPG is upset no one wants to give him credit for saying, "It could be good, bad, or somewhere in between!"

:lol - Not looking for credit. Wondering why you are going to such great lengths to fight Tyson's battles and not scoffing him like you do other GNSF posters who are wrong and meltdown like he did. While also taking up a cause to scoff someone for being "wrong" when you essentially said they took a stance where they "hedged so they couldn't be wrong".

[DPG21920]

I said they bought more time to poach someone. I wasn't making a prediction - I was assessing the details of the trade and the logic behind it.

I wasn't acting like a maniac and quitting on the team because they don't understand contracts or anything beyond their immediate primal emotions.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So then by that very nature, if I hedged, how can I be wrong :lol
Because there's an obvious implied meaning to what you said. You're deliberately ignoring what the implied meaning was.


So even if you believe that to be true, you are now talking out of both sides of your jizz infested mouth. You are saying I am wrong and "scoffing posters who are wrong" while at the same time saying I didn't make a prediction and hedged so that I could not be wrong.
I'm saying you were wrong because it's wildly obvious what you meant at the time. I know you're pretending that all along, you believed the Mavs traded for Tyson because he could provide the missing piece at center that they need, but it's obvious to anyone with semi-decent critical thinking skills you did not in any way think the Tyson trade would turn out the way it did.

That is why I'm arguing with you. Seeing you do mental backflips to try and convince yourself and others that your post meant something different than it actually did, even though the meaning at the time was obvious, is something I find hilarious. I know you're never going to admit what you actually meant, but seeing you continue to hedge, pretend you meant something you didn't mean, and work the term "jizz shield" into your posts because you're mad at me calling out your indirect predictions is hilarious.

[DPG21920]

So I absolutely love how when it suites your jizz mopping duties, you can make this awesome assumptions and infer everything, but when it comes to me doing it (how I described in two very different posts that one aspect was buying more time and the other was the "risk") you try and scoff and say "you can't infer anything from that!"

[DPG21920]

Because there's an obvious implied meaning to what you said. You're deliberately ignoring what the implied meaning was.


I'm saying you were wrong because it's wildly obvious what you meant at the time. I know you're pretending that all along, you believed the Mavs traded for Tyson because he could provide the missing piece at center that they need, but it's obvious to anyone with semi-decent critical thinking skills you did not in any way think the Tyson trade would turn out the way it did.

That is why I'm arguing with you. Seeing you do mental backflips to try and convince yourself and others that your post meant something different than it actually did, even though the meaning at the time was obvious, is something I find hilarious. I know you're never going to admit what you actually meant, but seeing you continue to hedge, pretend you meant something you didn't mean, and work the term "jizz shield" into your posts because you're mad at me calling out your indirect predictions is hilarious.

No guy, I am not pretending and have already admitted and will admit again that I thought the main reason they traded for Tyson was to buy more time - but I understood that there was an off chance (and by no stretch did I think it was likely) that he could actually work out on the court. So there goes det theory.

[DPG21920]

It also wasn't a prediction. I can't say it any more directly but maybe the jizz in your eye keeps you from seeing me post that over and over. This wasn't a thread where someone said "post your predictions on how so and so will end up". This was a thread to discuss initial reactions to the trade and assess it. Which I did. And so did Tyson - with a meltdown.

[DPG21920]

Also, Tyson, look at this: http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201806

[DPG21920]

Why? Don't all your little buds follow you on FB and know what you look like (I know they do because I have seen the picture). Are you embarrassed? Your name won't be used and its not going to be some close up. If you are so awesome what is the big deal and what is the risk?

[DPG21920]

What do guys who say they don't want to play basketball with guys on the internet do? I guess they don't start GTG basketball threads....

[DPG21920]

Yeah I'm not posting video or pictures of myself on a site with a bunch of weirdo's and trolls, I will kick your ass one on one though. Although I will point out, that people who aren't obviously mad about internet arguments wouldn't challenge someone to a competition to settle said internet beef, but whatever floats your boat :lol. if you want me to kick your ass then lets do it.

I don't get the risk - how will we have proof? You are the biggest weirdo (storing pics of families and making real life threats..) so you have nothing to worry about. What can they do without your name or any kind of close up picture video?

I mean, if you are willing to meet up with possible internet weirdos in real life + post your pictures on websites like Facebook, how is that any different?

[DPG21920]

Meeting up to play pickup basketball isn't the same as challenging someone 1 on 1 for internet glory :lol

It's not glory. It's just hoops bruh. You seem to love internet glory because you get ultra excited about pickles under peoples avatars and getting to say that you got people "buttmad"

[DPG21920]

It's not like me beating you in 1 v 1 will settle any internet beef :lol If you keep posting like an annoying tool and following me around, I will still find you annoying even if I win.

[DPG21920]

Meeting up to play pickup basketball isn't the same as challenging someone 1 on 1 for internet glory :lol

Also, it's even more funny that this means so much to you that you are willing to drive hundreds of miles for it. You're kind of creeping me out.

So it wasn't creepy when you invited me to drive hundreds of miles to play basketball with guys I have already balled with in a city from which I just moved with lots of friends there, but it is creepy when I accept :lol? Your logic is kind of terrible bruh.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

DPG really seems to like jizz :lol

[DPG21920]

DPG really seems to like jizz :lol


:lmao that's the response you can muster up?

Nice attempt to steer the argument in a tangent away from your retarded assertion that David Lee's bread and butter is the mid range jumper and all he contributes on offense is jump shots off assists after I've provided stats that jizz on said assertion, but it's not gonna work.

I'm still waiting to hear how all David Lee contributes on offense is jump shots off assists when only 32.3% of his points come off jumpers and he's less reliant on assists than Diaw.


I hope that's not the case. You don't need a stud free safety with a 3-4 defense, just one who keeps the offense in front of him and can prevent big plays. That's why Rex Ryan (someone who knows WAAAAAAAAAAY more about an attacking 3-4 defense than Whisenhunt or any Steeler dipshit he's hired) willingly dumped Kerry Rhodes like a used jizz rag after one year of coaching him.

As a matter of fact, having a free safety who knows his role, doesn't gamble and plays within the system is more important to a 3-4 defense than having a free safety who can be out of position in coverage and still make an interception.


To being Hakeem Olajuwon's jizz rag tbh


All cool ST scros use the lingo :lol