Chemistry: Spurs best player combinations

[analyzed]

One of the main reasons why I think people are willing to let Parker go is, inspite of his individual brilliance ( make no mistake about it he provides huge impact) he dosen't make the players around him better. This is the exact opposite of what Manu provides, it's no secret that RJ, Blair and Hill, and even Splitter (who is looking forward to play P and R with Manu) love to play with Manu and actually become better playing with him on the court. The same cannot be said of Parker, it seems when he is on the court although he gets his numbers everyone's else stats go down ( Blair, Hill, RJ , Dice, Manu) . the one exception would probably be TD, who really dosen't need Manu or Tony to get his numbers.

Given that the young guys ( Hill, Blair ,Splitter, Anderson ) and the new recruits ( RJ and Dice) play well with Manu as a leader and distributor. In makes sense to hand over the team to Manu as your Jason Kidd/ Magic type. with Timmy in his latter years playing like a Kareem of LA's 80's role. If this is the way the Spurs are to be built moving forward, you might as well let go of parker and get good value in return for a more complimenting player in line with the new future direction. Remember Norm Nixon a good PG had to go when it became evident that Magic was the leader, then they added pieces like Scott and Worthy after. ( Anderson and maybe a josh smith for TP ?)

Lets face it the Spurs future revolves around Hill, Splitter, Anderson and Blair and the players who can lead them in that transition is no other than Manu and Duncan . Not Tony Parker. I think its time for change ! and have that different approach. At some point you will have to make that decision to rebuild and resign to the fact that the ""big 3"" has had its run. That time has come .. Hill, Splitter and Anderson is our future core and the earlier we make them our main guys the better, so team the 3 up with manu and Duncan as your main 5 for the next 3 years . That leave parker out !

[ducks]

One of the main reasons why I think people are willing to let Parker go is, inspite of his individual brilliance ( make no mistake about it he provides huge impact) he dosen't make the players around him better.

so you think hill does?

[spursfan1000]

The only reason I want Spurs to trade Parker because there is a good chance Parker will jump ship and go to New York, if Parker were to say he is going to sign an extension with the Spurs im against the Spurs trading Parker, Parker will be a big part of this team next season.

[ChumpDumper]

I'll save readers some time.
I hate Tony Parker.

[analyzed]

Nope, but manu does who is our real PG disguised as a SG. and BTW manu makes Hill better Parker dosen't


One of the main reasons why I think people are willing to let Parker go is, inspite of his individual brilliance ( make no mistake about it he provides huge impact) he dosen't make the players around him better.

so you think hill does?

[ChumpDumper]

Nope, but manu doesLink.

[xapatan2]

82games.com
You deserve the right to understand something to bball.

[ohmwrecker]

The "Tony Parker doesn't make other players better" myth again?!

[ChumpDumper]

82games.com
You deserve the right to understand something to bball.Huh?

I am now confused as to which quote he is referring.

[Blackjack]

I was really expecting some analytics.

This thread fails to deliver . . .

[ChumpDumper]

I was really expecting some analytics.

This thread fails to deliver . . .This thread has been thoroughly analized.

[DesignatedT]

:wakeup

[Blackjack]

I see what you did der . . . :lol

[timvp]

One of the main reasons why I think people are willing to let Parker go is, inspite of his individual brilliance ( make no mistake about it he provides huge impact) he dosen't make the players around him better. This is the exact opposite of what Manu provides

In the playoffs, Manu had a plus/minus of +16 when paired with Parker. When Parker wasn't on the court, Manu had a plus/minus of -38.

Now that's some analyzin'.

/thread

[rmt]

Well, when other teams game plan, their first priority is usually - stop Tony Parker. That's an indication of how he important he is.

[xapatan2]

Huh?

I am now confused as to which quote he is referring.

Oups sorry Chump, was adressed to the thread starter...
Xap'

[xapatan2]

This thread has been thoroughly analized.

:lobt2:

Nice one

Xap'

[ElNono]

http://edissonance.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/ronald.jpg

[xapatan2]

http://edissonance.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/ronald.jpg

You made my day with this one ! :toast

It's around 1am here and it's good to have a laugh before the bed.

Xap'

[ducks]

:lmao:lmao
In the playoffs, Manu had a plus/minus of +16 when paired with Parker. When Parker wasn't on the court, Manu had a plus/minus of -38.

Now that's some analyzin'.

/thread

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[BadOne]

Timvp drove the nail in the coffin.

Lock'er up!

[Brazil]

In the playoffs, Manu had a plus/minus of +16 when paired with Parker. When Parker wasn't on the court, Manu had a plus/minus of -38.

Now that's some analyzin'.

/thread
:lol

[Brazil]

fck I passed the 6000 posts... oh god I need to get a life quick

[Agloco]

One of the main reasons why I think people are willing to let Parker go is, inspite of his individual brilliance ( make no mistake about it he provides huge impact) he dosen't make the players around him better.

so you think hill does?

Bah....missed the boat, thanks for not quoting the OP ducks......you bastard.

[analyzed]

In the playoffs, Manu had a plus/minus of +16 when paired with Parker. When Parker wasn't on the court, Manu had a plus/minus of -38.

Now that's some analyzin'.

/thread

Assuming that the plus/minus stat is accurate, all that really tells you is the Spurs play better when Manu is on the court with the main team ( Parker, TD etc) rather than without. which isn't saying much from what we already know. Plus/minus stats can be misleading. The stat you should be looking for is :how's Blair, Hill and RJ's productivity when playing with Parker w/o Manu as compared to playing with Manu without parker.

Just on anecdotal information alone we all know RJ and Blair are better players when playing with Manu, while both struggle offensively when playing with Parker. And I know Hill gets a lot of his corner threes from pases from Manu as compared to playing with Tony

[Russ]

Chemistry is great, but first things first.

First, you need talent to succeed in the NBA, then layer chemistry over that.

The Spurs need to preserve/improve their overall talent level.

Without Parker, they're cooked.

[Man In Black]

My only issue with your analysis is that it puts too many eggs in 1 basket. So, that if Manu got hurt, not unusual with his style of reckless abandon, that means that what Hill is that player that does what Manu does? Nope. The thing with the TP haters is that since he doesn't distribute as well, well...that makes the others more prone to standing around. But, realize that his best skill is to lay waste to opposing defenders with his speed to the rim. IF he's being effective doing that, and it's what Pop wants first out of him, and they're winning...then what's all the hubbub about bub?

[analyzed]

No one is suggesting that Tony does not provide value , the thing is if you compare our best 4 players ( Tim, Manu, Tony and Hill) vs Bostons ( KG, Pierce, Allen and Rando) . The celts are better served with all 4 being in the court at the same time , therefor their talents are maximized, In our case one of our backcourt players Tony, Manu or Hill is better served coming of the bench, it's no wonder Manu has been coming of the bench all these years, while Tony or Hill had to in the recent playoffs. I think we are better off if one of our best 4 was a forward. That way we wont have to finish ball games with a 3 guard line-up and give up size.

[ohmwrecker]

Your theory is not supported by logic, foundation or fact. There is no analysis.

[Man In Black]

Isn't this all situationally speaking? Everyone knows that Shrek & Donkey had to contribute because Boston's 4 wasn't. It's the same way with the Spurs. In crunch time, The Spurs big 4 is playing. Well, Big 3 plus 1 guy who wants to play big.

[bigzak25]

cool thread.

So now it might seem best to go ahead and start Manu and Parker.

But get Manu's ass to the bench quickly and bring Hill in at the 8 minute mark.

When Parker needs a breather, Hill can play point and the Spurs could bring in Anderson at the 2.

Win Win for everyone. :tu

[doobs]

For the first three quarters the Spurs can run all sorts of combos. I'd prefer that most of Manu's minutes in the first three quarters are spent playing alongside Blair, Hill, RJ, and Tiago. Parker can spend most of his minutes playing alongside Duncan, McDyess, Anderson, etc.

Come 4th quarter, though, it's Parker, Hill, Manu, Duncan, and Splitter (or McDyess). That's how the Spurs will close out.

[analyzed]

These comments from Splitter from a news article for some reason gives you the feeling that the Spurs future direction with their young recruits ( Splitter, Anderson,Hill and Blair) involves mainly Manu and Tim as the leaders and does not factor in Tony as part of the Spurs future. I'm not sure if it's just the vibe that I get or if there really is more to it.

“I think this is good for me and the Spurs,” he said. “The Spurs need a big man and I like the Spurs.”

Splitter said he is looking forward to learning from Duncan and Ginobili.

“Manu and I have talked and he’s told me he will help me,” Splitter said. “We know a lot of the same people.”

So now that the Spurs have Splitter in the fold, how much better will they be next season?

Splitter, along with draft pick James Anderson, will infuse the team with much-needed youth and talent at key positions. But the
Spurs still need to find a tough perimeter defender who can hit a 3-pointer consistently.

[Waps1980]

I like Tony Parker he's a great player but I must admit the Spurs as a team play better without TP.
Look at how we turned the season round to get to the 50 win mark, but beating some of the best last season and that was without TP.
With TP I couldn't see that happening.
The team play increases 10 fold and it nearly looks like a different team out there.

If TP stays there is no point signing RJ unless they can develop a game together and some trust, RJ needs to earn it but TP aint give him an inch.

Our young players wont grow if Tony is running things on the floor, with Manu they will all develop into great players cos he makes everyone round him better.

[ducks]

These comments from Splitter from a news article for some reason gives you the feeling that the Spurs future direction with their young recruits ( Splitter, Anderson,Hill and Blair) involves mainly Manu and Tim as the leaders and does not factor in Tony as part of the Spurs future. I'm not sure if it's just the vibe that I get or if there really is more to it.

“I think this is good for me and the Spurs,” he said. “The Spurs need a big man and I like the Spurs.”

Splitter said he is looking forward to learning from Duncan and Ginobili.

“Manu and I have talked and he’s told me he will help me,” Splitter said. “We know a lot of the same people.”

So now that the Spurs have Splitter in the fold, how much better will they be next season?

Splitter, along with draft pick James Anderson, will infuse the team with much-needed youth and talent at key positions. But the
Spurs still need to find a tough perimeter defender who can hit a 3-pointer consistently.parker will help him by passing him the ball to him:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang

[ducks]

These comments from Splitter from a news article for some reason gives you the feeling that the Spurs future direction with their young recruits ( Splitter, Anderson,Hill and Blair) involves mainly Manu and Tim as the leaders and does not factor in Tony as part of the Spurs future. I'm not sure if it's just the vibe that I get or if there really is more to it.

“I think this is good for me and the Spurs,” he said. “The Spurs need a big man and I like the Spurs.”

Splitter said he is looking forward to learning from Duncan and Ginobili.

“Manu and I have talked and he’s told me he will help me,” Splitter said. “We know a lot of the same people.”

So now that the Spurs have Splitter in the fold, how much better will they be next season?

Splitter, along with draft pick James Anderson, will infuse the team with much-needed youth and talent at key positions. But the
Spurs still need to find a tough perimeter defender who can hit a 3-pointer consistently.
manu was trying to get him to be a spurs
ofcourse he would help him but so will the other spur player

[ChumpDumper]

hating via anecdote <> analysis

[TJastal]

hating via anecdote <> analysis

:lol

And quite honestly, I don't know that Splitter would even be wearing the silver-n-black had it not been for Manu being on the team, whom it appears he has great respect for.

One anecdote deserves another.

[kace]

These comments from Splitter from a news article for some reason gives you the feeling that the Spurs future direction with their young recruits ( Splitter, Anderson,Hill and Blair) involves mainly Manu and Tim as the leaders and does not factor in Tony as part of the Spurs future. I'm not sure if it's just the vibe that I get or if there really is more to it.

“I think this is good for me and the Spurs,” he said. “The Spurs need a big man and I like the Spurs.”

Splitter said he is looking forward to learning from Duncan and Ginobili.

“Manu and I have talked and he’s told me he will help me,” Splitter said. “We know a lot of the same people.”



so he talks about enjoying playing with Tim and Manu and that's supposed to prove your point.

OK, let's play this game:

"I realize where you have the opportunity to be - on a team that is international and a team that won titles with such good players, Manu (Ginobili) and Tim Duncan and Tony Parker," Splitter told reporters

Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/Spurs+sign+Spanish+League+Splitter/3271355/story.html#ixzz0tl4uNtM7

are you reassured ?

anyway, Tiago is from south america and has played in europe/euroleague. there's no doubt that he should now feel closer to manu than to tony.
Same about Tim who plays the same position and whose succes and fundamentally sounded game have made him a model for a lot of big men all over the world.

[TMTTRIO]

And quite honestly, I don't know that Splitter would even be wearing the silver-n-black had it not been for Manu being on the team, whom it appears he has great respect for.

One anecdote deserves another.

How did Manu have a hand in it? Manu said he didn't even know who Splitter was except for the things he heard from Scola. Like Manu has said before he stays out it for who they decide to bring and not bring.

[callo1]

Add a Tmac who has been humbled, and still hungry. With Pop as his coach, Tmac would thrive as a Spur imho.

[Ignignokt]

LOL.. you can shit on analyzed all you want, Parker Escorts-R-US. But the fact remains that parker wont be here long, so we might as well trade him.

[ducks]

you might trade him at the tradedeadline if spurs are not playing well before then is stupid