Mickael Pietrus might become available

[MoSpur]

According to the morningjournal.com. The site states that the Magic are will match the offer sheet signed by JJ Redick the Bulls. The Magic might explore possibly trading forward Mickael Pietrus if Redick returns.

I would do a sign and trade involving Jefferson for Pietrus. Don't know if that's possible or not. Anyone knows what Pietrus' contract is like???

[yavozerb]

I really do not expect the magic to match redick's crazy offer from the bulls. Not only would the magic have match the 19 mil. over 3 seasons offer but they would have to pay the luxery tax as well. Even worse yet for the magic, the offer for redick is front loaded at about 8 mil. in the 1st season.

[coyotes_geek]

What does swapping one SF in Pietrus for another SF in RJ accomplish for Orlando?

[tdunk21]

i would do RJ for gortat and pietrus.....but not rj for pietrus straight up.... and i have read in magic foorums thtat they will not match the offer for reddick coz if they do it will put them into luxury tax territory for next 3 years

[MoSpur]

Maybe a third team could be involved. Something like Spurs get Pietrus, X Team gets Jefferson, and Orlando gets a small trade exception. They could move Pietrus and match Redick and might possibly avoid the lux tax. Maybe

[Sotongball21]

i would do RJ for gortat and pietrus.....but not rj for pietrus straight up.... and i have read in magic foorums thtat they will not match the offer for reddick coz if they do it will put them into luxury tax territory for next 3 years

Why would they do that?

[lefty]

i would do RJ for gortat and pietrus.....but not rj for pietrus straight up.... and i have read in magic foorums thtat they will not match the offer for reddick coz if they do it will put them into luxury tax territory for next 3 years
:lmao

[yavozerb]

Maybe a third team could be involved. Something like Spurs get Pietrus, X Team gets Jefferson, and Orlando gets a small trade exception. They could move Pietrus and match Redick and might possibly avoid the lux tax. Maybe

Really, all that for an overpaid redick...

[MoSpur]

I think Redick is overpaid as well, but they might value his shooting. I don't know. I'm just relaying what that website wrote. I would really like Pietrus if the Spurs could get him.

[lefty]

I still remember Reddick ill advised alley-oop passes in crunch time vs Boston :lmao

[will_spurs]

This is not a thread about Reddick, it's a thread about Pietrus... and I'd sure would welcome Pietrus if we could get him, that's exactly the kind of guy we need.

[MoSpur]

I could be wrong, but didn't the Spurs have interest in him before he signed his deal with the Magic or maybe it was him interested in signing with the Spurs when he was a free agent.

[lefty]

I could be wrong, but didn't the Spurs have interest in him before he signed his deal with the Magic or maybe it was him interested in signing with the Spurs when he was a free agent.
Spurs thought he was too young and athletic

[Obstructed_View]

Yeah, I can see a scenario where the Magic decide to overpay for Reddick, and try to recoup some of that by trading Pietrus for Jefferson, who will make exactly the same money.

Wait...what?

[coyotes_geek]

I could be wrong, but didn't the Spurs have interest in him before he signed his deal with the Magic or maybe it was him interested in signing with the Spurs when he was a free agent.

I think they did, but that was before Orlando threw a full MLE contract at him.

[urunobili]

Love the kid... but I doubt it'll happen :)
Spurs have had chances to get him on the cheap before and didn't move forward with it :)

[coyotes_geek]

Love the kid... but I doubt it'll happen :)
Spurs have had chances to get him on the cheap before and didn't move forward with it :)

When did the Spurs have a chance to get him on the cheap?

[duhoh]

pietrus' skillset would contribute on almost any of the better teams.

[galvatron3000]

I heard about this today, would be a good addition

[DesignatedT]

Pietrus would be a great fit for us. Not going to happen though.

[galvatron3000]

I was under the impression the Magic were getting ready to match Reddick's offer and perhaps Pietrus was about to leave (Hoopshype.com)

"Sources say the Magic will match the offer sheet signed by swingman J.J. Redick with the Bulls. The Magic might explore possibly trading forward Mickael Pietrus if Redick returns."

http://www.morningjournal.com/articles/2010/07/15/sports/doc4c3e7ff61d4cb071931217.txt

[Mr. Body]

I wanted Pietrus back in the day, what seems like 20 years ago by now. Can't even remember what team he played for, Golden State?

I'd take Pietrus and the money over Jefferson without much of a thought.

[ohmwrecker]

http://www.recordpub.com/news/sports_article/4860086?page=0

• J.J. Redick: The sharp-shooting guard received a three-year, $19 million offer sheet from the Chicago Bulls last week, but sources indicate on Thursday that Orlando has every intention of matching the deal and keeping the restricted free agent with the Magic. In doing so, it has been reported that the Magic may explore the option of trading guard/forward Mickael Pietrus.

[angelbelow]

If they unload Pietrus, it'll be for financial reasons. They wont be motivated to bring back a multi-year. Although, wouldnt it be nice to have a carter RJ reunion :)

[Kermit]

What do we have that Orlando could possibly want (that the Spurs would be willing to part with)?

[Gooshie]

What do we have that Orlando could possibly want (that the Spurs would be willing to part with)?

Well if the only reason they'd be doing it is to get rid of a multiyear contract, how about this:

Sign and trade Mason or Bogans (their choice) at a one year deal for Pietrus?

Orlando obviously wouldn't want Mase or Bogans, but if they want to get rid of Pietrus' contract, then why not?

OR we could package some of our non guaranteed contracts and sign and trade Mason/Bogans on a one year deal for Pietrus. They would probably like that better because it's less of a financial burden for them next year.

[MoSpur]

IF (BIG IF) the Magic match Redick's offer from the Bulls then they'd have to part with Pietrus I think. They just signed Q Richardson and I don't think they'd keep all three. They don't want Barnes back by what I can tell. So they more than likely would trade Pietrus away for nothing (such as picks or non-guaranteed contracts) because they won't have the money to take back a contract.

Pietrus only has this season and next season left on his contract. Each years is around 5.3 million I think. I think a third team would have to be involved, but I am not sure. I'm not even gonna pretend I know about all the financial stuff when it comes to the cap and all that.

[Kermit]

Well if the only reason they'd be doing it is to get rid of a multiyear contract, how about this:

Sign and trade Mason or Bogans (their choice) at a one year deal for Pietrus?

Orlando obviously wouldn't want Mase or Bogans, but if they want to get rid of Pietrus' contract, then why not?

OR we could package some of our non guaranteed contracts and sign and trade Mason/Bogans on a one year deal for Pietrus. They would probably like that better because it's less of a financial burden for them next year.

That just sounds like a last case scenario for them. No offense, but I'm sure they could do much better.

[MoSpur]

I forgot that they signed Duhon as well.

[coyotes_geek]

If Orlando is looking to move Pietrus, it's got to be to a team with cap space or a TE who doesn't have to send back salary, or for a player with a non guaranteed contract. There just doesn't seem to be much point in trading Pietrus for another player who would be making basically the same amount.

[Mugen]

I remember being a big advocate of signing o Pietrus when he was a FA but i think we ended up w/ Money Mase :(.

Pretty poor shot selection but Pop likes chuckers. Much better fit than RJ.

[urunobili]

When did the Spurs have a chance to get him on the cheap?

When he was a free agent the last time IIRC

[Mel_13]

When he was a free agent the last time IIRC

He was available, but not on the cheap. Orlando signed him to a 4yr MLE contract.

[mountainballer]

If Orlando is looking to move Pietrus, it's got to be to a team with cap space or a TE who doesn't have to send back salary, or for a player with a non guaranteed contract. There just doesn't seem to be much point in trading Pietrus for another player who would be making basically the same amount.

right. we don't have a TE or cap space to absorb the contract.
a scenario the Magic might very well be interested in is a 3 team trade, with Dice going to a team with a TE, James Anderson going to Orlando and Pietrus going to the Spurs. this would make sense, if the 3rd team does really have use for a veteran big like Dice.

[coyotes_geek]

When he was a free agent the last time IIRC

He's been a FA twice. The first time he was restricted, the second time he got full MLE from Orlando.

[callo1]

I believe Tmac is still a possible option for the Spurs. Tmac is the best talent for the $ out there. Playing with a team like the Spurs would be a godsend to
Tmac, and I think we would see the best of what he has left in the tank.

[venitian navigator]

i believe tmac is still a possible option for the spurs. Tmac is the best talent for the $ out there. Playing with a team like the spurs would be a godsend to
tmac, and i think we would see the best of what he has left in the tank.

+1

[urunobili]

He's been a FA twice. The first time he was restricted, the second time he got full MLE from Orlando.

My bad then. I thought (and maybe was an overcreative thread i read on here) that while he was on GS we could have gotten with that salary with a trade or something. Just my impression. Thanks for clarifying if it wasn't the case :tu

[PDXSpursFan]

No Pietrus please. Poor defender, low BIQ & injury prone
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[Nathan89]

So all we need to do is trade rj to the cavs for a trade exception. Then we can get pietrus if this is true. He can shoot the three and I do not think he is a terrible defender. He is definitely not a worst defender than rj but maybe the same.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

When did the Spurs have a chance to get him on the cheap?

Up until Orlando called and offered him the full MLE :lol

[FalleNxWiZarDx]

KoMe took this dude to school

[spursfan1000]

I would do RJ for Pietrus in a heartbeat, Pietrus is a terrific defender and has that 3pt jumpshot, but I just don't see any reason why the Magic would want to do this, so I don't see this happening once so ever.

[Brazil]

Poor defender
:lol

[G-Dawgg]

I'd take Pietrus he'd be a nice fit. But I really haven't given up on RJ yet, he's shown in the past that he could be a really good defender when he gets at it and he can shoulder a big offensive load if given an opportunity to.. ALSO he has the ability to finish strong at the basket and draw alot of fouls which has been lacking on this spurs team since Duncan has started his decline..

[ace3g]

Magic To Match Redick's Offer Sheet

The Orlando Magic will match Chicago's three-year, $19 million offer sheet for guard J.J. Redick.

The Magic will make their intention known Friday – the last possible day -- but NBA sources familiar with the front-office thinking of the Magic confirmed their decision Thursday afternoon.

"They aren't letting go of J.J.,'' said the source.

This move will put The Magic's payroll at around $84 million and cost them $15 million in Luxury Tax payments with one player to sign to reach the 13-man roster requirement.

Read more: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68177/20100715/magic_to_match_redicks_offer_sheet/#ixzz0tnqqLbzf

[Sigz]

He's better than RJ.

[DesignatedT]

One trade that could work that I didn't see mentioned is Dice for Pietrus. Assuming Mcdyess would agree to a buyout with Orlando, they could save some money that way or maybe just end up liking Dice and using him.

Spurs send Mcdyess
Magic send Pietrus.

I would do this trade. It keeps us from having to bring back RJ and if Dice could come to a buyout agreement with Orlando, then I would love it if he would sign back here.

[jermaine]

Sounds like Pietrus is bout to come up for trade! Magic gone match Bulls offer!

[FeZZy]

Dice would get bought out and come back!

[L.I.T]

On the Bulls side, I remember reading that there was some interest from them in Mason. Would bet that's one of their fallback positions if/when the Magic match JJ.

As to the Pietrus deal, the Spurs would probably have to throw in a draft pick or something to entice Magic into trading for Dice, only to buy him out and let him come back to the Spurs. I'm sure that there would be some interest from one of the teams under the salary cap to acquire Pietrus.

[admiralsnackbar]

:lol

I agree that Pietrus' man-on-man defense is exceptional, but I don't think he does near as well playing team D. YMMV.

[Bruno]

With the luxury tax, Pietrus will cost $10.6M this year to Orlando. It's a lot of money and dumping him for a TE would be a great financial move for them.

Spurs don't have that TE. The only way they could get one is by S&T Richard Jefferson. Cleveland seems to be a good candidate for this S&T. They are looking at a SF (they wanted Childress) and they have a big TE.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

Whether it's Dick Jefferson or a S&T that lands us a TE to get Pietrus I dot care as long as Malik fucking Hairston does not start at SF....

[Obstructed_View]

With the luxury tax, Pietrus will cost $10.6M this year to Orlando. It's a lot of money and dumping him for a TE would be a great financial move for them.

Spurs don't have that TE. The only way they could get one is by S&T Richard Jefferson. Cleveland seems to be a good candidate for this S&T. They are looking at a SF (they wanted Childress) and they have a big TE.

So S&T of RJ to the Bulls, and then send the TE to Orlando for Pietrus? Is that possible?

[Obstructed_View]

Whether it's Dick Jefferson or a S&T that lands us a TE to get Pietrus I dot care as long as Malik fucking Hairston does not start at SF....

Why is there so much hostility toward Spurs draft picks? Seems like the attitude is that we'd rather they leave than get a chance to play. Are people that dug into their message board predictions that they're rooting for prospects not to develop?

[Bruno]

So S&T of RJ to the Bulls, and then send the TE to Orlando for Pietrus? Is that possible?

I don't see Bulls being interested in RJ. Cavs on the other hand.

A 3 way trade like that woudl be legit:
Cavs get RJ for a TE
Spurs get Pietrus for RJ (S&T)
Orlando get a TE for Pietrus.

[kobyz]

i prefer Vince instead of Pietrus!

[admiralsnackbar]

Why is there so much hostility toward Spurs draft picks? Seems like the attitude is that we'd rather they leave than get a chance to play. Are people that dug into their message board predictions that they're rooting for prospects not to develop?

Same reason many people buy brands over generics. They feel more comfortable trading in what they perceive as known quantities, even if the generic is often times an equivalent or even preferable product. Alas.

[coyotes_geek]

If the Cavs want a SF and Orlando wants a TE, why wouldn't the Magic just ship Pietrus to Cleveland instead of waiting around for the Cavs and Spurs to try and sell RJ on how great it would be for him to play on a bad basketball team in Cleveland for the next several years?

[coyotes_geek]

Why is there so much hostility toward Spurs draft picks? Seems like the attitude is that we'd rather they leave than get a chance to play. Are people that dug into their message board predictions that they're rooting for prospects not to develop?

Is there any hostility towards Blair, Hill, Anderson or Splitter?

[RiverwalkParade]

how about McDyess/RMJ (s&t) for Bass or Gortat/Pietrus

Get a younger big man and a starting caliber SF

They get veteran leadership and 3-pt shooting (holding in laughter)

Maybe throw in a few picks to sweeten the pot. next years 2nd and 2012 1st.

[lefty]

No Pietrus please. Poor defender, low BIQ & injury prone
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Poor defender ?

[admiralsnackbar]

Is there any hostility towards Blair, Hill, Anderson or Splitter?

There was plenty for Hill before he shut everybody up. The others all come with laurels Hairston's never been close to getting... MVP Euroleague, All-American, Big-12 Conf. Player of the Year. They're better branded. Deservedly so.

[Brazil]

I agree that Pietrus' man-on-man defense is exceptional, but I don't think he does near as well playing team D. YMMV.

I'm not a huge fan of Pietrus tbh, I think he is not a very clever player and I don't see pop working with him.

Nevertheless this guy is the best Defender specialist available right now, his shot selection is poor but he is capable to drive inside for lay ups or dunks, he can make some 3s at a good rate.

To sum up he is potentially everything we need. Once again I don't see him coming but if it was possible and Pop welcome him, Pietrus would become a much more good player with a real coach.

[ace3g]

ESPN espn

Orlando Magic match J.J. Redick 3-year offer sheet by Chicago Bulls - http://es.pn/dfYOj9

[rmt]

If the Cavs want a SF and Orlando wants a TE, why wouldn't the Magic just ship Pietrus to Cleveland instead of waiting around for the Cavs and Spurs to try and sell RJ on how great it would be for him to play on a bad basketball team in Cleveland for the next several years?

Wouldn't Cleveland want Pietrus instead of RJ (younger, better defender)? Do they have a point guard that will feed RJ? Maybe, we can all hope that RJ wants to be on a bad team so that he doesn't have to share the ball and can get his stats :-)

[Bruno]

If the Cavs want a SF and Orlando wants a TE, why wouldn't the Magic just ship Pietrus to Cleveland instead of waiting around for the Cavs and Spurs to try and sell RJ on how great it would be for him to play on a bad basketball team in Cleveland for the next several years?

Given Cavs roster, RJ > Pietrus for them.
I also don't think RJ is at a stage of the FA process where he can pick his team.

[admiralsnackbar]

I'm not a huge fan of Pietrus tbh, I think he is not a very clever player and I don't see pop working with him.

Nevertheless this guy is the best Defender specialist available right now, his shot selection is poor but he is capable to drive inside for lay ups or dunks, he can make some 3s at a good rate.

To sum up he is potentially everything we need. Once again I don't see him coming but if it was possible and Pop welcome him, Pietrus would become a much more good player with a real coach.

No argument here. On any of your points.

[pad300]

Given Cavs roster, RJ > Pietrus for them.
I also don't think RJ is at a stage of the FA process where he can pick his team.

Yeah, RJ is a bad first option offensively, but Pietrus would be worse (much worse), and at this point RJ would be very happy to get a contract that would match up with Pietrus's...

[coyotes_geek]

Given Cavs roster, RJ > Pietrus for them.
I also don't think RJ is at a stage of the FA process where he can pick his team.

RJ may not be able to pick what team he wants to play for, but he can definitely pick what team he doesn't want to play for. The only possible reason RJ would have any interest in Cleveland whatsoever would be if the Cavs were willing to throw a ridiculous amount of money at him and if they were willing to do that we'd have heard about it by now. The number of wing players capable of putting up 18ppg for someone are pretty much down to RJ and Josh Howard. And Cleveland hasn't shown much interest in either.

The S&T RJ to Cleveland talk is basically just a product of people talking themselves in to how it makes perfect sense for RJ to want Cleveland and for Cleveland to want RJ just because they like the S&T possibilities for the Spurs.

[Cane]

Pietrus seems injury prone, would rather have RJ.

[MoSpur]

I think the Cavs would prefer RJ over Pietrus. They need someone who looks to score. I don't think Pietrus is that type.

[Obstructed_View]

Is there any hostility towards Blair, Hill, Anderson or Splitter?

Wow, you must not have been around when Hill was drafted or when he wasn't scoring in summer league. If people had any respect for Anderson, there'd be no mention of Hairston starting ahead of him. So basically a guy has to be euroleague MVP or a lottery pick that drops to the second round in order not to be deemed a scrub for life.

Funny that Hairston and Mahinmi get no credit for the fact that they've done some good things on an NBA floor against NBA teams, but Splitter gets credit even though he's never played a second in the league.

[will_spurs]

RJ may not be able to pick what team he wants to play for, but he can definitely pick what team he doesn't want to play for.

At this point I guess he'll go play whever he's getting paid.

[coyotes_geek]

Wow, you must not have been around when Hill was drafted or when he wasn't scoring in summer league. If people had any respect for Anderson, there'd be no mention of Hairston starting ahead of him. So basically a guy has to be euroleague MVP or a lottery pick that drops to the second round in order not to be deemed a scrub for life.

If Anderson were a SF instead of a SG there would be plenty of people suggesting that he start.


Funny that Hairston and Mahinmi get no credit for the fact that they've done some good things on an NBA floor against NBA teams, but Splitter gets credit even though he's never played a second in the league.

Please tell me you're not trying to suggest that Hairston and Mahinmi are comprable talents to Tiago Splitter.

[coyotes_geek]

At this point I guess he'll go play whever he's getting paid.

In all likelihood that team is going to be the Spurs.

[yavozerb]

Wow, you must not have been around when Hill was drafted or when he wasn't scoring in summer league. If people had any respect for Anderson, there'd be no mention of Hairston starting ahead of him. So basically a guy has to be euroleague MVP or a lottery pick that drops to the second round in order not to be deemed a scrub for life.

Funny that Hairston and Mahinmi get no credit for the fact that they've done some good things on an NBA floor against NBA teams, but Splitter gets credit even though he's never played a second in the league.

The problem is unless you have watched every second of every game most people have pretty much missed the PT that Hairston or Ian received. Not saying these 2 players are not any good but at this point both have to be considered fringe NBA players at best. Tiago still must prove himself in the NBA but the odds of him becoming a legit NBA player are much better than Hairston and Mahinmi even after 2 years of more exp. in the league.

[Vic Petro]

Funny that Hairston and Mahinmi get no credit for the fact that they've done some good things on an NBA floor against NBA teams, but Splitter gets credit even though he's never played a second in the league.

I would say sample size is a huge issue though. Hairston and Mahinmi have shown flashes in the NBA but nothing that leads me to believe consistency is imminent. Mostly they've been impressive in the D League, while Splitter was MVP of the 2nd best league in the world. Clearly it's easier to predict his performance in the NBA than it would be to predict Hairston's or Mahinmi's.

Frankly with Hairston I've seen him do a lot of things well but nothing great. imo role players on great teams should have one discernible above-average NBA skill. I haven't seen a definitive one for Hairston as yet.

[Obstructed_View]

If Anderson were a SF instead of a SG there would be plenty of people suggesting that he start.

Actually, he is a small forward.

[Obstructed_View]

The problem is unless you have watched every second of every game most people have pretty much missed the PT that Hairston or Ian received.

Then it seems rather silly of those folks to continue to pronounce both of them busts or to say that they're incapable of playing. Those of us that have worked hard to watch their play have suggested that their play is worthy of more playing time, and for the most part that sentiment is ridiculed.

[lefty]

CROFL


Pietrus is not coming


Too athletic

[Obstructed_View]

I would say sample size is a huge issue though. Hairston and Mahinmi have shown flashes in the NBA but nothing that leads me to believe consistency is imminent. Mostly they've been impressive in the D League, while Splitter was MVP of the 2nd best league in the world. Clearly it's easier to predict his performance in the NBA than it would be to predict Hairston's or Mahinmi's.

Frankly with Hairston I've seen him do a lot of things well but nothing great. imo role players on great teams should have one discernible above-average NBA skill. I haven't seen a definitive one for Hairston as yet.

I'm all for giving everyone ample opportunity to see if they can play. Hairston didn't do anything aside from outplay the guy who started 49 games for the Spurs last year.

[ohmwrecker]

The problem is unless you have watched every second of every game most people have pretty much missed the PT that Hairston or Ian received.

Or . . . if you watched every second of every game, but blinked to rehydrate your eyeballs.

[smrattler]

I don't see Bulls being interested in RJ. Cavs on the other hand.

A 3 way trade like that woudl be legit:
Cavs get RJ for a TE
Spurs get Pietrus for RJ (S&T)
Orlando get a TE for Pietrus.

How much would this hinder Clev's ability to get more players? Via trade or free agents this year? They have any trade assets they can move?

I'm just asking cause I would have blown it up after James skipped town. But it seems their owner wants to try to win now still. RJ won't get it done alone. Scott coaching is one piece that might draw their interest to RJ (maybe he knows how to use him effectively). But they need players to fill the system.