Gary Neal: Mario Elie 2.0?

[ceperez]

So, can Gary Neal (6 3pointers in one half in Vegas Summer League) be Mario Ellie version 2.0?

Gary Neal at 6'4" is about the same height as Ellie. Ellie played in leagues all over the world before he got to play in the NBA. By the time he played for the Spurs, he was a 3 point specialist (with not much mobility).

Neal has played several years in Europe, was never drafted by the NBA and appears to have a 3 point shot as his main weapon of choice.

However, unlike Ellie who needed to be open to make a set 3 point shot, Neal has a very quick release and shoot while contested. Neal however doesn't appear to play as rugged as Ellie on both the offensive and defensive sides of the court.

[ChuckD]

So, he's not really Elie at all then.

[SenorSpur]

No offense to Neal, but the last thing the Spurs need is another 6-foot-4 guard. The Spurs absolutely need for length.

[slick'81]

as long as hes in tc im happy

[timvp]

He's like Mario Elie except the exact opposite.

[smrattler]

So, he's not really Elie at all then.


You beat me to it. :lol

[ceperez]

C'mon guys, he's like Ellie because

(1) He's an American player who built his professional career outside the NBA.
(2) His contribution to the Spurs is that 3 point shot.
(3) He's a SG that isn't that quick.

There's a lot of similarities. I'm just curious if a player like this can help out the Spurs this time out?

[Russ]

C'mon guys, he's like Ellie because

(1) He's an American player who built his professional career outside the NBA.
(2) His contribution to the Spurs is that 3 point shot.
(3) He's a SG that isn't that quick.

There's a lot of similarities. I'm just curious if a player like this can help out the Spurs this time out?

(4) They both seem to have a certain moxie/cockiness. I do not see them shrinking when big shot time comes.

(5) They both have/had a stout tough NBA body.

[AFBlue]

Dude has one good game in the summer league and people go apeshit...wtf? He's a one-dimensional player without good size or athleticism. So that means when his one dimension falters, as it did the game before his "breakout" today, he's pretty useless.

Watching Neal was fun today, but let's not overblow one summer league game.

[HarlemHeat37]

Did Elie have a fetish for vomiting girls?..

[ceperez]

He's a one-dimensional player without good size or athleticism. So that means when his one dimension falters, as it did the game before his "breakout" today, he's pretty useless.


Mario Ellie was also one dimensional, but he was effective as a Spur. Can Neal do the same?

[Nathan89]

No offense to Neal, but the last thing the Spurs need is another 6-foot-4 guard. The Spurs absolutely need for length.

I don't think the spurs have any 6-foot-4 guards. Can you please give that list of guards.

[ceperez]

Did Elie have a fetish for vomiting girls?..

Dude... the guy was acquitted. Don't think it is fair to bring this up.

[Russ]

Dude has one good game in the summer league and people go apeshit...wtf?

He led the Italian League in scoring at 20+ points/game (over a whole season).

For our Austin Toros fans, Neal's Euro league is exactly like the D League (except better).

[ceperez]

(4) They both seem to have a certain moxie/cockiness. I do not see them shrinking when big shot time comes.


That's what Ellie did well, he was clutch.

Can't say the same for current and former Spur players (i.e. Bonner, Bogans, Mason).

[MaNu4Tres]

dude has one good game in the summer league and people go apeshit...wtf? He's a one-dimensional player without good size or athleticism. So that means when his one dimension falters, as it did the game before his "breakout" today, he's pretty useless.

Watching neal was fun today, but let's not overblow one summer league game.


AFBlue FTW

[ChuckD]

Mario Ellie was also one dimensional, but he was effective as a Spur. Can Neal do the same?

He was also effective defensively...until they changed the rules. He was out of the league a year or two later.

[SenorSpur]

I don't think the spurs have any 6-foot-4 guards. Can you please give that list of guards.

Don't get hung up on the specific measurables. The point is they already have a logjam at the SG position. While they obviously need shooting, they also need a backup SF with some length and the ability to defend.

[ElNono]

Dude has one good game in the playoffs and people go apeshit...wtf? He's a one-dimensional player without good size or athleticism. So that means when his one dimension falters, as it did the game before his "breakout" today, he's pretty useless.

Watching Bonner was fun today, but let's not overblow one playoff game.

See what I did there? lol

But if we're talking about Matt, then roll out the excuses: 'he spaces the floor', 'RC said shooters are fundamental', yada yada yada

To be honest, we've had and still have our good share of one dimensional players, especially shooters: RMJ, Finley, Bonner... Even zero dimensional players like the centerpiece...

That doesn't seem to stop the FO going after them.


As far as Ellie, no he doesn't look like Mario at all.

[jjktkk]

Bottom line is that Neal is a good shooter. He'll make someone's roster, if not the Spurs.

[Dro210]

Neal's had more than '1 good game', he's played well pretty much the entire Summer League.

Not saying SL means anything, or "sign him up!", just saying, give the man due credit for what he's doing out there.

[admiralsnackbar]

He was also effective defensively...until they changed the rules. He was out of the league a year or two later.

This.




As far as Ellie, no he doesn't look like Mario at all.

And this.

[20beastie45]

:rollin:rollin:rollin:lmao:lmao
So, he's not really Elie at all then.

[Mel_13]

(1) He's an American player who built his professional career outside the NBA.
(2) His contribution to the Spurs is that 3 point shot.
(3) He's a SG that isn't that quick.




So, Roger Mason Jr. 2.0

[hsxvvd]

By the time Elie arrived in San Antonio, didn't he have two rings?

That's a different sort of toughness.

[Obstructed_View]

See what I did there? lol

But if we're talking about Matt, then roll out the excuses: 'he spaces the floor', 'RC said shooters are fundamental', yada yada yada

To be honest, we've had and still have our good share of one dimensional players, especially shooters: RMJ, Finley, Bonner... Even zero dimensional players like the centerpiece...

That doesn't seem to stop the FO going after them.

Two things: If you already think Bonner is useless, why would you want Neal also?

Secondly: Bonner doesn't have size?

[ceperez]

Secondly: Bonner doesn't have size?

The consensus is that Bonner doesn't have size, length and quickness for the position he plays.

[Obstructed_View]

The consensus is that Bonner doesn't have size, length and quickness for the position he plays.

Neither does Neal. Why do you want him?

[TJastal]

No offense to Neal, but the last thing the Spurs need is another 6-foot-4 guard. The Spurs absolutely need for length.

*cough*

Matt Barnes

*cough*

[JonNOKC]

Dude has one good game in the summer league and people go apeshit...wtf? He's a one-dimensional player without good size or athleticism. So that means when his one dimension falters, as it did the game before his "breakout" today, he's pretty useless.

Watching Neal was fun today, but let's not overblow one summer league game.

He has actually shot the 3 ball well in 3 of the 4 games - and last year we needed shooters - could certainly fill a role as 3pt specialist and has extended range, also a decent pick and role guard if you watch film from Europe - for the vet min he would be nice to have at end of bench - the problem is he can command much more in Europe and I haven't seen him quoted as really wanting back in states - also wouldn't be a shock for a team like PHX, NY, GS, etc to make offer

[ElNono]

Two things: If you already think Bonner is useless, why would you want Neal also?

I didn't say I wanted him. I also wasn't going out of my way to criticize him for being one dimensional.


Secondly: Bonner doesn't have size?

I know you're an informed poster, so I don't think I really need to answer this one.

[ceperez]

Neither does Neal. Why do you want him?

'coz he might be able to hit the 3 pointer when it counts come playoff time?

That's what Ellie did, and that's what I'm hoping Neal can do too.

[tav1]

The Spurs are probably looking at inexpensive trade scenarios, as well. Inexpensive in the sense of preserving their core. Targeting a player like Anthony Parker might work as a one season stop-gap. I'm not trying to start a Parker rumor, so you can fill in the blank with other possibilities. Between McDyess and Jefferson, the Spurs have some ability to bring in a sf via trade.

[smrattler]

I don't really care if he's the second coming of Jaren Jackson. :hat

Do we really another SG period?

Among the guard postitions, if anything, maybe we need a real backup PG.

But assuming RJ re-signs, we need a real backup SF I thnk. And if he doesn't re-sign, we need two SFs and some serious praying.

[redskinfan]

By the time Elie arrived in San Antonio, didn't he have two rings?

That's a different sort of toughness.

Then lets bring Adam Morrison he has back to back rings, thats the toughness we need...:lol

[tdunk21]

can neal make the team as a replacement to roger mason as the sharp shooter????

[Obstructed_View]

'coz he might be able to hit the 3 pointer when it counts come playoff time?

That's what Ellie did, and that's what I'm hoping Neal can do too.

Just to review: Who are you going to cut to make room for this undersized journeyman rookie who "might be able to hit the 3 pointer"?

[ceperez]

Just to review: Who are you going to cut to make room for this undersized journeyman rookie who "might be able to hit the 3 pointer"?

Would you resign Bogans or Mason instead?

[Obstructed_View]

Would you resign Bogans or Mason instead?

No. Now back to my question: Who are you going to cut?

[coyotes_geek]

People need to quit getting so excited about summer league. Neal is not an NBA player. Right now Alonzo Gee is the only guy playing on the SL team worthy of consideration for an NBA roster spot.

[ceperez]

No. Now back to my question: Who are you going to cut?

Nobody. I would stash him as the 14th or 15th player that we may never play.

[Obstructed_View]

Nobody. I would stash him as the 14th or 15th player that we may never play.

So much for Mario Elie.

[Mel_13]

So, can Gary Neal (6 3pointers in one half in Vegas Summer League) be Mario Ellie version 2.0?


I would stash him as the 14th or 15th player that we may never play.

You have now answered your initial question in the negative.

Close thread.

[dbestpro]

For me, I would ask, can he be like the microwave and give me 5 points in 5-7 minutes of play? With TP, Manu, Hill, Temple and Anderson that is as much as he could provide. Also, if we sign RJ and a vet backup SF, it would mean no Hairston of Gee, or more 3 guard sets, or Anderson at the SF. I think Neal is good enough to not have to play D-league. It's just a matter of being on the right team.

[ceperez]

For me, I would ask, can he be like the microwave and give me 5 points in 5-7 minutes of play?

The Spurs may have just set that scenario up in the last game. Feed Neal the ball, give him a ton of screens and have him shoot from anywhere....

the result... 16 points in one quarter!

impressed?

[Obstructed_View]

The Spurs may have just set that scenario up in the last game. Feed Neal the ball, give him a ton of screens and have him shoot from anywhere....

the result... 16 points in one quarter!

impressed?

You're an idiot.

[smrattler]

You're an idiot.

:lol

EDIT: you posted that twice, in two threads, to the same guy, within a minute of each other!

:lol

[Obstructed_View]

:lol

EDIT: you posted that twice, in two threads, to the same guy, within a minute of each other!

:lol

Yeah, I thought it was important that he be informed of that fact.

[yavozerb]

The Spurs may have just set that scenario up in the last game. Feed Neal the ball, give him a ton of screens and have him shoot from anywhere....

the result... 16 points in one quarter!

impressed?


You're an idiot.

:lmao, for once we agree...I feel the same way about tjastal's posts.

[ceperez]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/sharpshooter_neal_makes_case_to_nba_teams_98720969 .html

In one of the most brilliant Las Vegas shooting displays this side of the famed Gun Store, Neal made six 3-pointers and scored 25 points — including 13 in the game's first 2:45 — to pace the Spurs to a 78-64 victory in their summer league finale.

[Mel_13]

Couldn't squeeze this into your existing Neal thread?

[E-RockWill]

OP is a thread slut......

[CaptainLate]

He has actually shot the 3 ball well in 3 of the 4 games...and I haven't seen him quoted as really wanting back in states...

Read JMac's E-N column today.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/sharpshooter_neal_makes_case_to_nba_teams_98720969 .html

[The Truth #6]

The Junkyard Dog was not one dimensional. He was a winner in every sense. Clutch, solid defense, excellent finisher - just a great role player to have.

[DespЏrado]

I'm all for Neal making the team, he could be a hell of a find.

Clutch is something the Spurs lack, and Pop is always able to find room for shooters on the floor. If nothing else you keep guys like this on your roster for end of quarter shots. For end of game situations a lineup of Manu - Hill - Neal - Tiago - Duncan could space the floor better than just about any team.

Look at Fisher. The guy isn't a great point guard, he's good enough but he has made a name for himself based on clutch play. Neal can make it in this league on that alone. The Spurs would be wise to try and at least see if he can be a game winner.

[AFBlue]

I'm all for Neal making the team, he could be a hell of a find.

Clutch is something the Spurs lack, and Pop is always able to find room for shooters on the floor. If nothing else you keep guys like this on your roster for end of quarter shots. For end of game situations a lineup of Manu - Hill - Neal - Tiago - Duncan could space the floor better than just about any team.

Look at Fisher. The guy isn't a great point guard, he's good enough but he has made a name for himself based on clutch play. Neal can make it in this league on that alone. The Spurs would be wise to try and at least see if he can be a game winner.

Wow. You have Neal not only making the team, but in the end-of-game lineup as well (w/o Parker btw, who is probably more clutch than any of those guys)? Are you crazy?

Again I gotta say, there is reasonable discussion about a player and then there is this. This is summer league people...summer league. Guys like Marco Bellinelli and Niko Tskitishvili dominate the summer league.

I'm not trying to take anything away from his last performance, because dude was on fire, but for God sakes you people have to put it in some context.

[ceperez]

always good to have specialists... think of neal as kind of a steve kerr.

[MaNu4Tres]

Clutch is something the Spurs lack, and Pop is always able to find room for shooters on the floor. If nothing else you keep guys like this on your roster for end of quarter shots. For end of game situations a lineup of Manu - Hill - Neal - Tiago - Duncan could space the floor better than just about any team.


:lol

Unbelievable


always good to have specialists... think of neal as kind of a steve kerr.

The guy needs at least 3-4 seasons as a consistent NBA role player before you put that label on him.

[Obstructed_View]

Wow. You have Neal not only making the team, but in the end-of-game lineup as well (w/o Parker btw, who is probably more clutch than any of those guys)? Are you crazy?

Again I gotta say, there is reasonable discussion about a player and then there is this. This is summer league people...summer league. Guys like Marco Bellinelli and Niko Tskitishvili dominate the summer league.

I'm not trying to take anything away from his last performance, because dude was on fire, but for God sakes you people have to put it in some context.

+1

This is just getting stupid with the box-score crushes. Now suddenly the guy is a great defender and he's clutch. WTF.

[timtonymanu]

Another 2.0 type comparison.

Can you wait until these guys actually play an NBA game before you label them as the second coming of someone?

So I'm guessing Ryan Richards is DRob 2.0 or Anderson is Kobe 2.0.

[AFBlue]

Another 2.0 type comparison.

Can you wait until these guys actually play an NBA game before you label them as the second coming of someone?

So I'm guessing Ryan Richards is DRob 2.0 or Anderson is Kobe 2.0.

Dude get it right...Richards is Aldrige 2.0 and Anderson is Ray Allen 2.0.

[hsxvvd]

Then lets bring Adam Morrison he has back to back rings, thats the toughness we need...:lol

Unlike Morrison, Elie played a role in both championships. A role other than official towel waving back slapper.

[Blackjack]

http://offsideswithfletcher.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/charles-barkley-dui-arrest1.jpg

Mario Elie is rollin' over in his grave!

[DespЏrado]

No one is saying Neal is a lock to be a clutch shooter, just that you give a guy with a shot that pretty, a chance to show his mettle. If he happens to have the ice water gene, then you keep him. This team should have learned that lesson with Jax.

There is no way of knowing he will be a cold blooded gunslinger, but there are hints and inklings of that sort of pedigree. His resume alone speaks of a good shooter.

He should be given the best shot we can afford to give him.

[ceperez]

Dude get it right...Richards is Aldrige 2.0 and Anderson is Ray Allen 2.0.

Dude that not right, it is more like Richards is Turkoglu 2.0 and Anderson is Joe Johnson 2.0!

[ceperez]

His resume alone speaks of a good shooter.


The dude has European stats that backs him up.

Also given that he's the main threat in his team, he gets decent coverage on defense. Plus, he's a guard so its easy to get a much taller guy to alter his shot.

Finally, Spurs players only take a 3 point shot when they are open. If he even attempts to take the shot when he's covered, Pop will yank him immediately out of the game.

The only question you got to ask about the gunslingers is that:

"Do they have ice in their veins when they hit an open shot?"

Nobody is expecting them to take a contested 3point shot and make it.

[Leonard Curse]

i agree w/some of it, but i think your spurstalk name should be cperez 2.0

[ceperez]

Gary Neal makes RealGM's All Vegas Team:

G – Gary Neal, San Antonio

Not exactly the sexiest selection, but Neal was arguably the best scorer in Las Vegas. He had 25 points on Sunday, almost all of which came in the first half. His shooting was red-hot all week, whether he attacked the basket, pulled up from 15 feet or launched from downtown

Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_feature_pieces/956/20100719/realgm%5Cs_all_vegas_teams/#ixzz0uK6ZpaCv

[dbestpro]

If Anderson is asked to play backup SF, then Neal has a chance to make the team.

I said if, and a chance.

[ceperez]

If Anderson is asked to play backup SF, then Neal has a chance to make the team.

I said if, and a chance.

With Anderson still nursing his hamstring, maybe it would be a good idea to sign Neal as a backup. S

[dbestpro]

source: cbssports

Gary Neal: 50% from the arc. That's a pretty ridiculous shooting clip for anyone. Neal averaged 1 made three for every two attempted at Summer League, including a 6-9 performance in the first half against Memphis Sunday alone. Neal, a 6-4 guard out of Towson University, was a candidate for Summer League MVP, averaging 15 points a game and consistently hitting from all over the floor. Most impressive, though, was his perimeter speed. Neal was able to go from baseline to corner for the pop-out three in nearly no time at all. Combine that with hyper-efficient shooting and it makes for an amazing week of work in Vegas.

[Leonard Curse]

dammit sign this guy !! here we are thinking of what scrubs we can get with the left over cash when we have a hell of a shooter on our summer league roster w/nba exp who seems to have leadership qualities!!!!! if we dont sign this guy im gonna be pissed its not like hes a kid the only positive in this scenario is that hes closer to 30 than the other guys so he has a chance... what has our staff come to SIGN HIM COACH POOp!!!!!hehe

[Mr. Body]

I see this guy on the opening-day roster. If he didn't have his European success it would be different, but he has the makings of a potential keeper.

[ceperez]

Gary Neal CLUTCH Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkqTERRq3Pc

and in slow motion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw3Ad4BQ97Y

You got to have ice in your veins to make this kind of shot: Fall away jumper, behind the basket, corner 3.

Impressive.

[DespЏrado]

That video Ceperez is more difficult a shot than the one made by Sean Elliott because he did it off the dribble falling sideways out of bounds.

Gary Neal has to be on the roster, in a way it's a bloody good thing Ryan Anderson may be injured or we may never have spotted this guy.

Gary Neal looks like a cold blooded shooter. At this point Anderson will have to prove he is the one who belongs. Or Manu is going to be playing the Small forward position a lot this year.

Edit more video link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leoWA8JaBuI)

[coyotes_geek]

That video Ceperez is more difficult a shot than the one made by Sean Elliott because he did it off the dribble falling sideways out of bounds.

Gary Neal has to be on the roster, in a way it's a bloody good thing Ryan Anderson may be injured or we may never have spotted this guy.

Gary Neal looks like a cold blooded shooter. At this point Anderson will have to prove he is the one who belongs. Or Manu is going to be playing the Small forward position a lot this year.

Don't be ridiculous. Anderson's spot is guaranteed. If Neal makes the roster it's going to be at the expense of Hairston, Gee or Temple.

[DespЏrado]

Don't be ridiculous. Anderson's spot is guaranteed. If Neal makes the roster it's going to be at the expense of Hairston, Gee or Temple.

Anderson is guaranteed a contract not necessarily a rotation spot, I should have been more specific. But either way I think we may have found two of the best 3 point shooters new to the league next year.

[ElNono]

Gary Neal signed a three year guaranteed contract with the San Antonio Spurs his agent David Bauman confirms to us.

He better get his best Mario impersonation now... :lol

[Ignignokt]

Ce Perez and Fabbs have been spreading NUTTella allover the ST regulars lately.

[jaffies]

good call, ST.

[angelbelow]

always good to have specialists... think of neal as kind of a steve kerr.

I get where you're going, but you look stupid comparing Neal (at this stage in his career) to Steve Kerr.

[rayray2k8]

Who would of knew?? No one is expecting anything from this guy so anything he gives the spurs will be a plus.
Problem is it won't be till garbage time.

[analyzed]

All you're asking from this guy is to make 1 or 2 3 pointers in the Playoffs, if that's all he does, the investent is well worth it. . those 2 baskets can be the difference for a sucessfull or failed year

[timtonymanu]

always good to have specialists... think of neal as kind of a steve kerr.

can we just say neal is an interesting prospect and that gary neal is gary neal? i remember one poster saying marcus haislip was rasheed wallace 2.0. let's see these guys play some NBA games before we compare them to all-stars/proven champions.

[Leonard Curse]

can we just say neal is an interesting prospect and that gary neal is gary neal? i remember one poster saying marcus haislip was rasheed wallace 2.0. let's see these guys play some NBA games before we compare them to all-stars/proven champions.
:lol every time ive seen a post of yours i check the sig to see if your updating our roster moves and i was thinking no way he put neal down there at the bottom of the page sure as shit theres a little web cam pic of him :lol haha instead of going through pages of S.T trolls ill just stop by and look for a new sig pic.
:flag:

[ceperez]

"Gary Neal signed a three year guaranteed contract with the San Antonio Spurs his agent David Bauman confirms to us."

Like I said, he's worth signing. Question now is, does he get more playing time than Anderson at SG?

[ceperez]

Now finally, for the record:


No offense to Neal, but the last thing the Spurs need is another 6-foot-4 guard. The Spurs absolutely need for length.


Dude has one good game in the summer league and people go apeshit...wtf? He's a one-dimensional player without good size or athleticism. So that means when his one dimension falters, as it did the game before his "breakout" today, he's pretty useless.

Watching Neal was fun today, but let's not overblow one summer league game.


Just to review: Who are you going to cut to make room for this undersized journeyman rookie who "might be able to hit the 3 pointer"?


You have now answered your initial question in the negative.

Close thread.


Ce Perez and Fabbs have been spreading NUTTella allover the ST regulars lately.

So, can I expect some apologies any time soon?

[Obstructed_View]

Now finally, for the record:











So, can I expect some apologies any time soon?

He made the team?

[Obstructed_View]

His resume alone speaks of a good shooter.

Since he's now in the system, I went back and looked.

We've previously discounted Hairston's 43% three point shooting because it was against D-league talent. What do we make of Neal's 36% three point shooting in Europe this past season? Did I make a mistake in my math?

[yavozerb]

Since he's now in the system, I went back and looked.

We've previously discounted Hairston's 43% three point shooting because it was against D-league talent. What do we make of Neal's 36% three point shooting in Europe this past season? Did I make a mistake in my math?

Hairston can do some things better than Neal without a doubt, shooting from 3pt range is not one of them. If you disagree with this then you have already drank too much of the Hairston kool aid..

[Obstructed_View]

Hairston can do some things better than Neal without a doubt, shooting from 3pt range is not one of them. If you disagree with this then you have already drank too much of the Hairston kool aid..

Once you find any kind of stat to back up your claim I'll be ready to agree with you. Hairston shot a far better percentage in the D league as the best player on the team than Neal did in Europe last season. The stats are right there in the post you quoted.

[yavozerb]

Once you find any kind of stat to back up your claim I'll be ready to agree with you. Hairston shot a far better percentage in the D league as the best player on the team than Neal did in Europe last season. The stats are right there in the post you quoted.

:lol, at Hairston outshooting Neal from 3pt land. So with your way of thinking Hairston is a better shooter than Manu, Kobe, and anybody else who did not shoot over 40% from 3pt line since Hairston shot over 40% in the D league?

[Chomag]

:lol, at Hairston outshooting Neal from 3pt land. So with your way of thinking Hairston is a better shooter than Manu, Kobe, and anybody else who did not shoot over 40% from 3pt line since Hairston shot over 40% in the D league?

And Neal has yet to take one 3 in the NBA. I'm not sure what your point is based off here.

[yavozerb]

And Neal has yet to take one 3 in the NBA. I'm not sure what your point is based off here.

My point is that it is ridiculous to say Hairston is the better 3 pt shooter because he shoots 16 % in the NBA and 40% from the Dleague. I will take the euro shooting numbers over dleague anyday even with the 3pt line being closer. If d-league stats meant anything then Mahinmi would be in Miami right now making them the big 4..

[Obstructed_View]

My point is that it is ridiculous to say Hairston is the better 3 pt shooter because he shoots 16 % in the NBA and 40% from the Dleague. I will take the euro shooting numbers over dleague anyday even with the 3pt line being closer. If d-league stats meant anything then Mahinmi would be in Miami right now making them the big 4..

It's not nearly as ridiculous as saying he can't shoot. In fact, it's not as ridiculous as basically anything you've said in the above post.

[dbestpro]

source: cbssports

Gary Neal: 50% from the arc. That's a pretty ridiculous shooting clip for anyone. Neal averaged 1 made three for every two attempted at Summer League, including a 6-9 performance in the first half against Memphis Sunday alone. Neal, a 6-4 guard out of Towson University, was a candidate for Summer League MVP, averaging 15 points a game and consistently hitting from all over the floor. Most impressive, though, was his perimeter speed. Neal was able to go from baseline to corner for the pop-out three in nearly no time at all. Combine that with hyper-efficient shooting and it makes for an amazing week of work in Vegas.

bump: Me thinks the Spurs will try to give Anderson some burn at SF.

[AFBlue]

Now finally, for the record:



Dude has one good game in the summer league and people go apeshit...wtf? He's a one-dimensional player without good size or athleticism. So that means when his one dimension falters, as it did the game before his "breakout" today, he's pretty useless.

Watching Neal was fun today, but let's not overblow one summer league game.


So, can I expect some apologies any time soon?

Did I say something inaccurate? He is a one-dimensional player without good size or athleticism. Spurs were looking for a shooter and took a gamble on this kid...fine. I hope it works out.

But, that doesn't mean what I said wasn't true.

[ceperez]

Did I say something inaccurate? He is a one-dimensional player without good size or athleticism. Spurs were looking for a shooter and took a gamble on this kid...fine. I hope it works out.

But, that doesn't mean what I said wasn't true.

well the spurs are making some bets with real money in the hpes it works out.

i think the most telling quote is the one were chip engeland was impressed by his shooting.

[benefactor]

Now finally, for the record:











So, can I expect some apologies any time soon?
You should make a new thread asking for them. A lot more people can see it that way.

[ceperez]

Well, well... looks like preseason is over and Gary Neal is looking more and more like the real deal!

What say you naysayers out there now?

[Dex]

Well, well... looks like preseason is over and Gary Neal is looking more and more like the real deal!

What say you naysayers out there now?

I don't think I was ever one of these so called "naysayers", but I still say let's see what happens when the season starts and the games start to count.

Neal had a rough start to this preseason and looked like he couldn't throw a rock in the ocean when things started. That's not a good thing for a shooter who doesn't really shine anywhere else.

His shot definitely seemed to get more confident after his game winner in Mexico and he looks to have calmed down a bit, but he hasn't really accomplished anything yet. Let's give the guy time to see what he can really do. Personally, I'd be glad to see him succeed, if only because it would spell good things for the Spurs.

[timtonymanu]

Uh he's still barely Mario Elie.

But he does look better than i thought.

[ceperez]

He made the team?

Yes dude, he definitely appears to have made the team.

[analyzed]

Remember a few of you were comparing Gist ,Gee and Simons with Neal. Although it's still early it safe to say the Neal will be part of the rotation. While Gist and Gee probably won't make the team Simons if he does will hardly get to play. For a guy earning just $ 500k , being part of the 10 man rotation is pretty good investment ( i think he will get more minutes than Temple)

[ceperez]

Remember a few of you were comparing Gist ,Gee and Simons with Neal. Although it's still early it safe to say the Neal will be part of the rotation. While Gist and Gee probably won't make the team Simons if he does will hardly get to play. For a guy earning just $ 500k , being part of the 10 man rotation is pretty good investment ( i think he will get more minutes than Temple)

Neal is playing with a lot more confidencre lately. Sure he hasn't been shooting a high percentage, but it is clear that over timr he's going to not only make the top 12 but he'll be in the regular rotation.

[analyzed]

Oh. if the last 2 preseason games are any indication I think he definetly will be part of the rotation. Playing behind gaurds Parker , Manu, and Hill. And ahead of Temple. ( Anderson will be playing behind RJ at SF).

BTW RJ looked good in the Houston game , if he plays anything like that. he will be finishing games instead of Hill and a 3 guard line-up



Neal is playing with a lot more confidencre lately. Sure he hasn't been shooting a high percentage, but it is clear that over timr he's going to not only make the top 12 but he'll be in the regular rotation.

[wildbill2u]

i seem to remember a 6'3" SG who had a one dimensional aspect to his game. In fact he was a hell of a lot less mobile and athletic than Neal.

Guy by the name of Kerr who used to comeoff the bench when we needed some 3s in a hurry.

[analyzed]

People have to realize that for you to be a prolific scorer in europe, such as Neal, you must have enough game in you , especially as a specialist ( shooting ) to contibute in the NBA in limited action. Chances are a scorer in the european league is more advanced offensively than a top scorer in the US NCAA, Don't be surprise if in the immediate short term , Neal turns out to be a better scorer than Anderson. Not saying Anderson won't eventually be a better player. But you have to realize that the expereince Neal has in hitting big shots in europe makes him more prepared to produce immediately

BYW just read the Spurs just waived Cousins and Palmer

[ceperez]

People have to realize that for you to be a prolific scorer in europe, such as Neal, you must have enough game in you , especially as a specialist ( shooting ) to contibute in the NBA in limited action. Chances are a scorer in the european league is more advanced offensively than a top scorer in the US NCAA, Don't be surprise if in the immediate short term , Neal turns out to be a better scorer than Anderson. Not saying Anderson won't eventually be a better player. But you have to realize that the expereince Neal has in hitting big shots in europe makes him more prepared to produce immediately

BYW just read the Spurs just waived Cousins and Palmer

Agree. Players who can score in the euroleague are likely to score more that NCAA scorers. That is obvious. Surprisingly so many don't get it. That's why they couldn't see the Neal signing even if it were right in front of their face.

Oh...btw... you may also have missed that Gist was waived.

[benefactor]

We'll see. Bogans looked great last year early in the season and then proceeded to fall off a cliff. It's a long season.

[Obstructed_View]

i seem to remember a 6'3" SG who had a one dimensional aspect to his game. In fact he was a hell of a lot less mobile and athletic than Neal.

Guy by the name of Kerr who used to comeoff the bench when we needed some 3s in a hurry.

Steve Kerr was the backup point guard for an entire season when Speedy Claxton was hurt, and he was a tenacious smart defender. Funny how many people forget that.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

He definitely hustled. Knee-straps and all.


He would leave everything on the court every time. I loved giving him the ball to send him to the free throw line when teams were fouling at the end of games.

[Obstructed_View]

Steve Kerr was the backup point guard for an entire season when Speedy Claxton was hurt, and he was a tenacious smart defender. Funny how many people forget that.

Also, he'd hit a championship-winning shot and won a couple of NBA titles before becoming a Spur.

[trollt]

^ I thought he did a heckuva job harrying Nash during that famous 4th quarter.

[Obstructed_View]

^ I thought he did a heckuva job harrying Nash during that famous 4th quarter.

Biggest play he made during that run against the Mavs was on the defensive end.

[Agloco]

So, he's not really Elie at all then.

[DespЏrado]

Gary Neal can get the Spurs going with his shooting...like tonight against NOH in the 4th.

[Obstructed_View]

Gary Neal can get the Spurs going with his shooting...like tonight against NOH in the 4th.

Wow, you must be desperate if you're trying to give Neal credit for that. Must not have noticed who was scoring for the other team, BTW.

[ceperez]

What say you now, Neal detractors?

Pretty impressive shooting performance against the bobcats don't you think?

[Obstructed_View]

What say you now, Neal detractors?

Pretty impressive shooting performance against the bobcats don't you think?

As one of the original Neal detractors, I can say that we knew Neal could shoot in spurts. What's impressive is his basketball IQ and his defensive effort. If he'd turned out to be a six foot Michael Finley, nobody would be happy about his shooting right now.

[yavozerb]

Cant say that I was a detractor or supporter but who cares at this point..The guy is not only shooting lights out but his hustle on defense is very encouraging.

[DespЏrado]

Neal is the man. And Anderson is almost as good...

I think having tons of really good shooters rather than 1 or 2 (Manu and just Finley or Manu and just Hill) really loosens players up to get into rhythm... Anderson, Manu, Jefferson, Neal, Hill, and sometimes Bonner can all feed off of each others shooting. Since 3 pt shots are such a streaky thing, having less pressure on any one individual player frees the others to let them fly.

The fact that Anderson and Neal seem committed to defense is just icing on the cake, and allows the Spurs the freedom give them minutes.

[GSH]

Elie had been a solid contributer on a championship team. He was like a bulldog, and his contribution to the Spurs had as much to do with toughness as 3P shooting. Neal lacks a lot of (successful) miles before he could be what Elie was when he came here.

BUT... what he can be is what Roger Mason was supposed to be. I'd take that. I know Pop would.

[ceperez]

Garry Neal interview!

http://www.nba.com/spurs/video/2010/11/09/101109pop-1465164/index.html

[ceperez]

Nice 22 point contribution from a "one-dimensional" player.

He's 16 point game against the Clippers was of course his best performance to date.