LeBron or Kobe?

[Man About Town]

Who do you think is a better basketball player? I went through all the old threads and I don't believe this topic has been covered before.

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[Greg Oden]

spurstalk posters are such a fickle group that they'll biasedly pick Kobe because LeBron is somehow the anitchrist at the moment.

[Man About Town]

LeBron - more consistent and productive in the regular season.

Kobe - more clutch in the playoffs.

[usdane]

Please lock thread and ban.

[in2deep]

Lebron >>>> Kobe today

only a fool would disagree

[Greg Oden]

Kobe

clutch

playoffs

I lol'd

[Man About Town]

I lol'd

Why? He's more of a postseason assassin than LeBron.

[Greg Oden]

He is?

Oh yes, he has 5 rings. Of course.

[Texas_Ranger]

I hate Kobe but LeBron's a pussy, so this time I'm for Kobe.

[Greg Oden]

i hate kobe but lebron's a pussy, so this time i'm for kobe.

+1

[Findog]

He is?

Oh yes, he has 5 rings. Of course.

LeBron might have had one of his own by now if he hadn't quit on his team after Delonte West rode his mom like a thoroughbred.

[Ashy Larry]

Hell, right now, I'd take LeBron.

[Greg Oden]

LeBron might have had one of his own by now if he hadn't quit on his team after Delonte West rode his mom like a thoroughbred.

The reputation Kobe has somehow garnered as an all time great/clutch playoff performer is way overblown. As evidence by showing his FT% instead of FG% after game 7.

[Findog]

The reputation Kobe has somehow garnered as an all time great/clutch playoff performer is way overblown. As evidence by showing his FT% instead of FG% after game 7.

Well, let's take their worst playoff moments as a #1 option.

Kobe - his team down by 21 points early in the third quarter of a Game 7 against Phoenix, he stops shooting in a game that they were highly unlikely to win anyway.

LeBron - his team tied 2-2 in a best of seven series against Boston, he quits on his team from the opening tip.

Now, their best moments as a #1 option;

Kobe - closes out the Magic on their floor with 30, 6 and 6 on 44% shooting. Performed so well that the Lakers didn't need last-second heroics.

Bron - Scores his team's last 25 points in Game 5 of the 2007 Eastern Conference Finals against Detroit Pistons. The Cavs would go on to get dismantled by the Spurs in the Finals.

Kobe got to play with dominant bigs in Shaq and Gasol and LeBron didn't. But by the same token, I'm tired of hearing that LeBron's supporting cast in Cleveland was absolute garbage. No, it wasn't. Kobe could've won a title as a member of the 2010 Cleveland Cavaliers. LeBron never got a #2 option to play with in Cleveland, but like Dirk in Dallas, he had several good players put around him, guys that would've run through a brick wall for him. And in return, he laid down on them.

[hater]

Kobe could've won a title as a member of the 2010 Cleveland Cavaliers.

:lmao

no he wouldnt

[TDMVPDPOY]

not a fan of both

both sucks to be honest

why no 3rd option nobody gives a shit?

[Greg Oden]

Kobe could've won a title as a member of the 2010 Cleveland Cavaliers.

Continuing this trend, I'll say Kobe gets rusty piped in 2007 as a Cleveland Cavalier and the NBA Finals aren't even remotely in the picture.



Kobe - closes out the Magic on their floor with 30, 6 and 6 on 44% shooting. Performed so well that the Lakers didn't need last-second heroics.

I wonder if that had anything to do with Gasol's 14 and 15 with Odom's 17 and 10.

[TheKingOfMIA6]

LeBron

[Giuseppe]

Please.

[Greg Oden]

Please.

eppe, gettin' his shit posts on.

[Findog]

Continuing this trend, I'll say Kobe gets rusty piped in 2007 as a Cleveland Cavalier and the NBA Finals aren't even remotely in the picture.



I wonder if that had anything to do with Gasol's 14 and 15 with Odom's 17 and 10.

And I'll say Kobe would've at least tried in Game 5 against Boston. Nor would he have gone crying into the open and loving arms of Dwyane Wade after the season was over.

"Awww, is my Bronny bear sad? Awww, poor Bronny bear, here, come to South Beach, let Daddy Dwyane make it all better..."

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[Greg Oden]

And I'll say Kobe would've at least tried in Game 5 against Boston. Nor would he have gone crying into the open and loving arms of Dwyane Wade after the season was over.


No, he would've cried to every media outlet he could and tell them Bynum sucks and he wants to be traded instead. But people tend to forget that sort of thing when he acquires a top 10 player and shoots himself to a 6-24 championship.

[Findog]

No, he would've cried to every media outlet he could and tell them Bynum sucks and he wants to be traded instead.

We can at least agree that he would've never consented to the beta move of going to another team to be their #2.

[Giuseppe]

eppe, gettin' his shit posts on.

It's a dumb thread, Greg. It's like that dumb 121-61 thingy you guys ruminate over.

[hater]

No, he would've cried to every media outlet he could and tell them Bynum sucks and he wants to be traded instead. But people tend to forget that sort of thing when he acquires a top 10 player and shoots himself to a 6-24 championship.

boom

[Greg Oden]

We can at least agree that he would've never consented to the beta move of going to another team to be their #2.

True, tbh. It just seems like people are very pissed off that LeBron has accepted he wasn't gonna take a historically losing franchise and turn it into a multiple time champion.




It's a dumb thread, Greg. It's like that dumb 121-61 thingy you guys ruminate over.

It's a thread comparing two of the three best players in the world.

[Giuseppe]

No, he would've cried to every media outlet he could and tell them Bynum sucks and he wants to be traded instead. But people tend to forget that sort of thing when he acquires a top 10 player and shoots himself to a 6-24 championship.

tee, hee. We was that||close to finding out if we'd a lost Game 6.

I get nervous even now thinkin' about it.

But, that ain't what happened. Artest was waitin' in Los Angeles, and took Kobe, screamin' & yellin' on to the end.

Odom, Odom delivered Artest onto us. And Artest delivered 16 onto us.

[Greg Oden]

cool story mang.

[Giuseppe]

cool story mang.

C'mon, Greg, let us proceed down the path of primrose, hand-in-hand and bury the old proverbials.

What say, old horse?

[Greg Oden]

C'mon, Greg, let us proceed down the path of primrose, hand-in-hand and bury the old proverbials.

What say, old horse?

If you stop makin fun of my age since I'm the only one here older than you, I say we have a deal bro.

[Findog]

True, tbh. It just seems like people are very pissed off that LeBron has accepted he wasn't gonna take a historically losing franchise and turn it into a multiple time champion.

1) I understand LeBron didn't want to duplicate the career arc of Kevin Garnett. So why not sign a six-year extension in 2007 that would've kept him in Cleveland until 2013? He'd be 28 in 2013, and if he still hadn't won a ring, he could go somewhere else with his prime intact to win a championship. Jordan didn't win a ring until the age of 29. It's ultimately his choice where to play, but I don't think Cleveland deserved to lose him at this stage of his career.

2) Everybody makes the point that LeBron didn't have that #2 option in Cleveland, that he was surrounded by a bunch of decent players, but he didn't have his #2. Well, by not signing an extension that went past 2010, it complicated efforts to put together a good enough roster. They couldn't get younger players that could grow into their roles over time, like the Bulls did when they traded away Oakley and gave the starting job to Horace Grant. Or by taking a very green Scottie Pippen and patiently waiting for him to develop into that #2 option. By having a 2010 deadline, the Cavs had to construct a veteran, title-worthy roster on the fly. Plus, they had to run everything by LeBron, personnel-wise. He bears a large amount of responsibility for the roster he was surrounded with in Cleveland.

[TheNextGen]

Honestly...

Lebron had a decent enough team to atleast get to the Finals.

A second round elimination was majore fail.

[Ashy Larry]

Honestly...

Lebron had a decent enough team to atleast get to the Finals.

A second round elimination was majore fail.


true, you can't win 66 and 61 games in back to back seasons and say you have no help .......

[Greg Oden]

You can if that team would've been a <30 win team without him.

[Brazil]

I went through all the old threads and I don't believe this topic has been covered before.



:lmao if there is a topic widely discussed on ST it's kobe vs. lebron. It's like trade TP or bonner sucks topics.

[SomeCallMeTim]

spurstalk posters are such a fickle group that they'll biasedly pick Kobe because LeBron is somehow the anitchrist at the moment.

All the great players are hated on ST, to a degree.

The only players who don't garner widespread scorn are the average, irrelevant ones.

I don't recall ever seeing someone trash Francisco Garcia for instance.

[SomeCallMeTim]

:lmao if there is a topic widely discussed on ST it's kobe vs. lebron. It's like trade TP or bonner sucks topics.

I think there was a wee bit of irony intended by the OP.

[Goran Dragic]

1) I understand LeBron didn't want to duplicate the career arc of Kevin Garnett. So why not sign a six-year extension in 2007 that would've kept him in Cleveland until 2013? He'd be 28 in 2013, and if he still hadn't won a ring, he could go somewhere else with his prime intact to win a championship. Jordan didn't win a ring until the age of 29. It's ultimately his choice where to play, but I don't think Cleveland deserved to lose him at this stage of his career.

2) Everybody makes the point that LeBron didn't have that #2 option in Cleveland, that he was surrounded by a bunch of decent players, but he didn't have his #2. Well, by not signing an extension that went past 2010, it complicated efforts to put together a good enough roster. They couldn't get younger players that could grow into their roles over time, like the Bulls did when they traded away Oakley and gave the starting job to Horace Grant. Or by taking a very green Scottie Pippen and patiently waiting for him to develop into that #2 option. By having a 2010 deadline, the Cavs had to construct a veteran, title-worthy roster on the fly. Plus, they had to run everything by LeBron, personnel-wise. He bears a large amount of responsibility for the roster he was surrounded with in Cleveland.


I completely understand this and agree with it, but Cleveland did fuck up plenty from the start. Once they got the pick in 2003, they should have went the route Seattle went after they got the #2 pick in 2007 and completely started from scratch with a new GM, new coach, and huge roster turnover, and a plan to stockpile draft picks/talent for the next two years. Lebron undoubtedly made it hard for them to take a long term approach, but they fucked up plenty on their own and didn't seem like they would have taken a long term approach anyway. Just look at OKC, they didn't need a 6 year extension from Durant to build long term, by the time KD was up for extension it's already a team with a great future.

[Brazil]

I think there was a wee bit of irony intended by the OP.

yeah but still a lot of posters answering seriously

[picc84]

If Kobe didn't quit they could have lost to Phx by 20 instead of 30. If Lebron didn't quit they could have gone to the NBA finals and possibly won a championship.

Dude really sacrificed an NBA title just so he could leave Cleveland and go play with Dwyane Wade. Thats why he's not a competitor. Not because he went to Miami - who wouldn't want to live in Miami and play with their best friends? I don't fault him for that. No, he's not a competitor because he was within reach of a championship and didn't even care.

The only way to justify that is if Delonte really was fuckin his mama. Shit, thats just one player, the whole team better have been running train on that goblin looking trick for him to screw them like that.

[Spursfan092120]

Kobe...