So, colored people can't be racist?

[CosmicCowboy]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/19/clip-shows-usda-official-admitting-withheld-help-white-farmer/

Days after the NAACP clashed with Tea Party members over allegations of racism, a video has surfaced showing an Agriculture Department official regaling an NAACP audience with a story about how she withheld help to a white farmer facing bankruptcy -- video that now has forced the official to resign.

Shirley Sherrod, the department's Georgia director of Rural Development, is shown in the clip describing "the first time I was faced with having to help a white farmer save his farm." Sherrod, who is black, claimed the farmer took a long time trying to show he was "superior" to her. The audience laughed as she described how she determined his fate.

"He had to come to me for help. What he didn't know while he was taking all that time trying to show me he was superior to me was I was trying to decide just how much help I was going to give him," she said. "I was struggling with the fact that so many black people have lost their farmland and here I was faced with having to help a white person save their land -- so I didn't give him the full force of what I could do. I did enough."

The Agriculture Department announced Monday, shortly after FoxNews.com published its initial report on the video, that Sherrod had resigned.

"There is zero tolerance for discrimination at USDA, and I strongly condemn any act of discrimination against any person," Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack said in a written statement. "We have been working hard through the past 18 months to reverse the checkered civil rights history at the department and take the issue of fairness and equality very seriously.


The NAACP released a statement late Monday condemning Sherrod's admission.

"We are appalled by her actions, just as we are with abuses of power against farmers of color and female farmers," the statement said.

"Her actions were shameful," it continued. "While she went on to explain in the story that she ultimately realized her mistake, as well as the common predicament of working people of all races, she gave no indication she had attempted to right the wrong she had done to this man."

Sherrod explained in the video that, at the time, she assumed the state or national Department of Agriculture had referred the white farmer to her. In order to ensure that the farmer could report back that she was indeed helpful, she said she took him to see "one of his own" -- a white lawyer.

"I figured that if I take him to one of them, that his own kind would take care of him," she said.

The point of the story wasn't entirely clear; only an excerpt of the speech is included in the video clip.

"It was revealed to me that it's about poor versus those who have," she said, suggesting she had learned that race is less important.

The video clip was first posted by BigGovernment.com. The clip is dated March 27 from an NAACP Freedom Fund banquet.

The clip adds to the firestorm of debate over the NAACP's decision to approve a resolution at its convention last week accusing some Tea Party activists of racism -- a charge Tea Party leaders deny.

In a second clip from the same event posted online, Sherrod appeared to urge black job seekers to find work at the Department of Agriculture because the federal government won't lay people off.

"There are jobs at USDA and many times there are no people of color to fill those jobs because we shy away from agriculture. We hear the word agriculture and think, why are we working in the fields?" she said. "You've heard of a lot of layoffs. Have you heard of anybody in the federal government losing their job? That's all I need to say."

[clambake]

of course he was superior.

when will people like her learn their place?

[coyotes_geek]

I'm sick of the man trying to keep us white people down...........

[SnakeBoy]

You realize that simply by posting the article on this forum you have exposed yourself as a typical conservative racist that wants to enslave black people because you are intimidated by the black man.

[CosmicCowboy]

of course he was superior.

when will people like her learn their place?

No kidding. And not only was she black, she was a big fat sweat pig. :lol

[George Gervin's Afro]

Who stated non white people couldn't be racists?

[jack sommerset]

She is a dumb whore and deserved to lose her job. She is a racist!

LOL@ Obamas approval is as low 37 percent in some polls!

[hater]

a healthy sober learned black person is usually superior to a white one in most ways.

too bad that qualifies only about 5% of black people

[angrydude]

That's a fairly common idea among some people. It's the old institutional racism argument. It goes, since minorities don't have any power, they can't be racist.

[ALWAYS bet on BLACK]

LOL @ pasty ass racists who thrive on ignorance.
Lol; just come out and say it, conservative assholes....

"we hate negros.":
fuck you, conservatives.

[CosmicCowboy]

Who stated non white people couldn't be racists?

That seemed to be the progressive theme in the NAACP thread a few days ago.

[CosmicCowboy]

a healthy sober learned black person is usually superior to a white one in most ways.


Don't forget, so are older hispanic women!

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/05/27/art.sotomayor5.jpg

[CuckingFunt]

That's a fairly common idea among some people. It's the old institutional racism argument. It goes, since minorities don't have any power, they can't be racist.

It's also largely an idea/argument based in semantics; differing between racism and prejudice. The former being systemic and/or institutionalized, the latter being based in personal thought or opinion.

It is not, however, an argument that certain people are inherently unprejudiced. Or that certain other people inherently are. People within the privileged group can/do engage in or adhere to institutionally racist practices and policies without being prejudiced themselves. And people within the oppressed group(s) can of course have any number of personal prejudices, but lack the power/control to enact them systemically on a large scale.

[Oh, Gee!!]

sounds like she ran her mouth off, and it got her fired.

[jack sommerset]

sounds like she ran her mouth off, and it got her fired.

Sounds like she is a racist!

[Oh, Gee!!]

Sounds like she is a racist!

well, she shouldn't be bragging about it on camera. it's a good way to get yourself fired.

[fraga]

White is right...

[Stringer_Bell]

She had no right to do what she did, both to the farmer and relaying the story publicly. Glad she's off the government payroll. I think if the farmer was "acting superior" it was probably in terms of him being pissed off that no one was helping him before it got to that point. I hope he sees this and goes back to the USDA to get everything she failed to get him due to her racist mindset.

The farming industry is managed by fucking idiots anyway, but that's another story.

[boutons_deux]

lots of racism in black people, try to find me one famous, rich black guy whose wife is darker than he is (starting with NBA players).

[jack sommerset]

Obama

[CosmicCowboy]

lots of racism in black people, try to find me one famous, rich black guy whose wife is darker than he is (starting with NBA players).

uhhhhh...Obama?

[boutons_deux]

Magic Negro is the exception that proves the rule. He's not a black racist.

[fraga]

According to Glenn Beck he is...

[CosmicCowboy]

Magic Negro is the exception that proves the rule. He's not a black racist.

Uhhh...could it be that your original premise was wrong?

Wife lighter=racist?
Wife darker=non-racist?

Obama certainly surrounds himself with reverse racists if he isn't a reverse racist.

[boutons_deux]

I read years ago that a nasty little secret in the black world is that men, esp the rich, celebrity men, prefer lighter skinned black women, "high yellow", etc.

When I see a famous black with his wife or gf, she will nearly always been lighter. Try it, you'll see. It's no accident. Very true in the NBA.

And get back to us when you see a lighter skinned black man with really dark women like the Williams sisters.

[The Gemini Method]

Not that I really delve into politics much, but Common and Serena would be an example if yo're going by what boutons stated up there.

[CosmicCowboy]

I read years ago that a nasty little secret in the black world is that men, esp the rich, celebrity men, prefer lighter skinned black women, "high yellow", etc.

When I see a famous black with his wife or gf, she will nearly always been lighter. Try it, you'll see. It's no accident. Very true in the NBA.

And get back to us when you see a lighter skinned black man with really dark women like the Williams sisters.

Does Serena Williams count?

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_01/serena2MVX1106_468x509.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mf84FfCHqtk/SFBLQUX5CPI/AAAAAAAAAiU/P6f-iU5eVM0/s400/serena_williams.jpg

[TeyshaBlue]

I read years ago that a nasty little secret in the black world is that men, esp the rich, celebrity men, prefer lighter skinned black women, "high yellow", etc.

When I see a famous black with his wife or gf, she will nearly always been lighter. Try it, you'll see. It's no accident. Very true in the NBA.

And get back to us when you see a lighter skinned black man with really dark women like the Williams sisters.

If that's a secret, then it's about the worst kept secret in the world.:lol

Google "Paper Bag Party" sometime.

[Wild Cobra]

If that's a secret, then it's about the worst kept secret in the world.:lol

Google "Paper Bag Party" sometime.
I looked it up. interesting reading. Just learned my grandfather was a High Yellow Negro!

[ChumpDumper]

Why do you call them "colored"?

[CosmicCowboy]

Why do you call them "colored"?

Just following the lead of the NAACP.

[ChumpDumper]

Just following the lead of the NAACP.Why are you following the lead of the NAACP?

[DMX7]

Obama

Not according to John McCain.

[CosmicCowboy]

Why are you following the lead of the NAACP?

Well, If I call them what they call themselves I can't be accused of using the wrong terminology.

[Winehole23]

You know when the NAACP was incorporated right?

Usage drifts over time man. I hardly think continuing to uphold a nineteenth century euphemism in the 21st century will endear you to "them" as much as you might think. But hey, go for it. :tu

[ChumpDumper]

Well, If I call them what they call themselves I can't be accused of using the wrong terminology.That doesn't explain why you are choosing to follow the lead of the NAACP.

[spursncowboys]

and harry reid

[Dr. Gonzo]

White people deserve racism thrown their way.

[Winehole23]

and harry reidYeah. That really worked out great for him, didn't it?

[DarrinS]

White people deserve racism thrown their way.

Why?

[CosmicCowboy]

You know when the NAACP was incorporated right?

Usage drifts over time man. I hardly think continuing to uphold a nineteenth century euphemism in the 21st century will endear you to "them" as much as you might think. But hey, go for it. :tu

:lol

Hey, if it's good enough for the NAACP it's good enough for us. If they don't like the label they should change it.

Plus, I use it because it bothers Chump...:lol

[ChumpDumper]

Do you use it in front of black people?

[DMX7]

Why?

Nobody deserves racism thrown anyway. But that doesn't mean whites haven't done all they can to earn black people's hatred.

[TeyshaBlue]

Nobody deserves racism thrown anyway. But that doesn't mean whites haven't done all they can to earn black people's hatred.

Nor does it mean they have.....

[spursncowboys]

:lol

Hey, if it's good enough for the NAACP it's good enough for us. If they don't like the label they should change it.

Plus, I use it because it bothers Chump...:lol

also logic, truth, and work ethic.

[ChumpDumper]

also logic, truth, and work ethic.Do you post from work?

Be truthful. It's logical to conclude you do.

[LnGrrrR]

The Agriculture Department announced Monday, shortly after FoxNews.com published its initial report on the video, that Sherrod had resigned.

"There is zero tolerance for discrimination at USDA, and I strongly condemn any act of discrimination against any person," Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack said in a written statement. "We have been working hard through the past 18 months to reverse the checkered civil rights history at the department and take the issue of fairness and equality very seriously.


The NAACP released a statement late Monday condemning Sherrod's admission.

"We are appalled by her actions, just as we are with abuses of power against farmers of color and female farmers," the statement said.

"Her actions were shameful," it continued. "While she went on to explain in the story that she ultimately realized her mistake, as well as the common predicament of working people of all races, she gave no indication she had attempted to right the wrong she had done to this man."



Given the bolded statements, what leads you to believe that "colored people" can't be racist?

[Wild Cobra]

White people deserve racism thrown their way.
I don't.

You classifying all of us because of the way the troubled few are?

I think that classifies you as a bigot.

[Creepn]

Why?

lol.

Black people get paid less than their white counterparts, blacks get racially profiled and beaten by white cops, blacks see racism (coward racism) on the internet everyday, innocent blacks thrown in prison, and other shit that I care not list and this idiot says

"why?"

[DMX7]

Do you post from work?


I'm curious where he works. He's already given us a clue by telling us he hangs out with unemployed people at the library.

[spursncowboys]

Nobody deserves racism thrown anyway. But that doesn't mean whites haven't done all they can to earn black people's hatred.

that deserves a "Different World" reference
rERcniHSMNo

[ChumpDumper]

I'm curious where he works. He's already given us a clue by telling us he hangs out with unemployed people at the library.Surely his work ethic would preclude his posting from work and he would be truthful when addressing the subject. It's only logical.

[LnGrrrR]

I agree with DarrinS that racism is unjustified wherever it's found, whether from the majority or minority.

[spursncowboys]

lol.

Black people get paid less than their white counterparts, blacks get racially profiled and beaten by white cops, blacks see racism (coward racism) on the internet everyday, innocent blacks thrown in prison, and other shit that I care not list and this idiot says

"why?"

:lol
do you have any evidence for that? Also reading some of your psts in the club, I would call you a racist.

[ChumpDumper]

that deserves a "Different World" reference
How about the one where Freddie lied about posting on a message board from work?

[spursncowboys]

f

[ChumpDumper]

No I don't post from work. My Moto Q9c doesn't let me for some reason.Why would it not?

That doesn't sound logical.

Doesn't sound like the truth.

[clambake]

it's not the truth.

[Creepn]

:lol
do you have any evidence for that? Also reading some of your psts in the club, I would call you a racist.

Theres plenty of statistical evidence to support my claims out there and you know it. Black people make up the majority of people being exonerated from prision as well.

What have you read of mines in the club that makes you think I'm a racist?

[spursncowboys]

who would have guessed lenny and sqiggy would have terrible posts?

[LnGrrrR]

:lol
do you have any evidence for that? Also reading some of your psts in the club, I would call you a racist.

The eivdence that blacks are placed in jail far more disproportionately than whites is well-sourced. The question is whether that's due to racism by police, more poverty in minority communities, or some other factor/combo of factors.

[ChumpDumper]

who would have guessed lenny and sqiggy would have terrible posts?Why do you think your elitist phone is preventing you from posting from work?

[clambake]

clearly, the burn today is severe.

put something on it.

[spursncowboys]

Theres plenty of statistical evidence to support my claims out there and you know it. Black people make up the majority of people being exonerated from prision as well.

What have you read of mines in the club that makes you think I'm a racist?

I would have to go look for the exact quote but you think it's ok to call white ppl crackers for one.

[clambake]

any white person that's offended by the word "cracker" is a pussy.

[Creepn]

I would have to go look for the exact quote but you think it's ok to call white ppl crackers for one.

Whoa whoa, I never said that. I said that blacks calling white people crackers doesn't equate to the N word.

[Wild Cobra]

Which is Lenny, and which is Sqiggy?

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Xvtn5NuYL-I

[Wild Cobra]

any black person that's offended by the word "######" is a pussy.
If you say so.

[clambake]

"you live on a flaglot".

[ChumpDumper]

Which is Lenny, and which is Sqiggy?You don't know?

Elitist!

[jack sommerset]

Squiggy is fucked up in the head, he suffers from multiple sclerosis. I saw him wobbling around dallas last year.

[jack sommerset]

The racist pig and that white farmer should have sat down outside somewhere and have a few beers together.

[jack sommerset]

LOL@ the racist pig......Her defense, she used to be a racist but not anymore

[Wild Cobra]

Squiggy is fucked up in the head, he suffers from multiple sclerosis. I saw him wobbling around dallas last year.
MS only sometimes fucks with the head:

RFwuzOsfWGk

[spursncowboys]

UPDATE: The Sherrod lady was telling the story of the first time she helped a white farmer. the white farmers in the story are friends with her to this day.

from foxnews

The wife of the farmer who was the subject of Sherrod's story told FoxNews.com on Tuesday that there was no discrimination. She said the administration should not have forced out Sherrod, who actually helped the couple save their farm.

"She'll always be my friend," Eloise Spooner said. She said the incident Sherrod was referring to happened more than two decades ago and that she and her husband Roger worked together closely to keep the farm out of foreclosure.

"I don't think they gave her a chance to tell really what happened," Eloise Spooner said. "I don't think they'll find anybody that can fill the job any better than she did. That's my opinion."

A statement by the NAACP, stripped from its website on Tuesday morning, acknowledged an apparent moral behind Sherrod's story, but said she gave "no indication" in the video that she tried to "right the wrong."

"We are appalled by her actions, just as we are with abuses of power against farmers of color and female farmers," the statement said. "Her actions were shameful."

The NAACP released a brief statement Tuesday afternoon saying it was "conducting an investigation" and trying to reach out to Sherrod -- the NAACP said an "updated statement" would follow. A representative from DCTV, which shot the footage and would not release it without NAACP consent, said the civil rights group was reviewing the tape "in full."

The video clip that launched the controversy is two-and-a-half minutes long. In it, Sherrod describes "the first time I was faced with having to help a white farmer save his farm."

Sherrod, who is black, claimed the farmer took a long time trying to show he was "superior" to her. The audience laughed as she described how she handled the situation.

"He had to come to me for help. What he didn't know while he was taking all that time trying to show me he was superior to me was I was trying to decide just how much help I was going to give him," she said. "I was struggling with the fact that so many black people have lost their farmland and here I was faced with having to help a white person save their land -- so I didn't give him the full force of what I could do. I did enough."

Sherrod explained in the video that, at the time, she assumed the state or federal Department of Agriculture had referred the white farmer to her. In order to ensure that the farmer could report back that she was indeed helpful, she said she took him to see "one of his own" -- a white lawyer.

"I figured that if I take him to one of them, that his own kind would take care of him," she said.

The ex-official first told her side of the story in an interview overnight with The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. She said that in the clip she was telling a story about events that happened 24 years ago when she was working for a local nonprofit group. She added that she worked with the farmer for two years to help save his farm from foreclosure.

But the point of her story wasn't entirely clear from the clip.

"It was revealed to me that it's about poor versus those who have," she said toward the end, suggesting she had learned that race is less important.

Spooner told FoxNews.com that Sherrod's story did not "bother" her. She explained that Sherrod did not send them directly to the white lawyer, either -- she said she initially suggested a black lawyer and a white lawyer, and that the couple saw the black lawyer first. After several months, the black lawyer had to withdraw from the case, citing too much workload, Spooner said. The couple then visited the white lawyer, with Sherrod's help, she said.

Spooner said Sherrod did not display discrimination. Asked about the claim that her husband was acting "superior" during that first conversation, Spooner said: "That's just his way."

Sherrod on Tuesday told CNN she blamed the NAACP, which put out a statement condemning her for her remarks overnight. Sherrod claimed the NAACP never contacted her and that the civil rights group's high-profile fight with the Tea Party over allegations of racism set the stage for her forced resignation.

"They are the reason why this happened," she said.

Sherrod added that an administration official "harassed" her with warnings about the attention she was going to receive after the video surfaced.

Cheryl Cook, deputy undersecretary for Rural Development, called her several times on Monday to eventually demand her resignation on behalf of the White House. Sherrod was driving at the time and said Cook told her to pull over to the side of the road to resign, "because you're going to be on Glenn Beck tonight."

She said the whole video would reveal that she eventually came to work closely with the white farmer and that she was trying to impart a lesson about how important it is to get "beyond the issue of race."

"I went on to work with many more white farmers," she said. "The story helped me realize that race is not the issue."

[spursncowboys]

Whoa whoa, I never said that. I said that blacks calling white people crackers doesn't equate to the N word.

Im gonna check. maybe i misunderstood it and I apologize if so.

[ChumpDumper]

So is she racist?

[spursncowboys]

chump read it. she said she learn a lesson not to worry about color and worry about helping people. so yeah she was racist. its a great story and sucks that she got thrown in the cya world of bureaucrats and cowards.

[ChumpDumper]

chump read it. she said she learn a lesson not to worry about color and worry about helping people. so yeah she was racist. its a great story and sucks that she got thrown in the cya world of bureaucrats and cowards.That wasn't the question.

Is she racist?

[EmptyMan]

Poor woman became the victim of this "you're racist/no you're racist" game both sides want to play.

This is what happens when you play grown-up kiddie political games. NAACP wanted to get cute with the Tea Party lololol. Sleep with dogs...

[Geezerballer]

The eivdence that blacks are placed in jail far more disproportionately than whites is well-sourced. The question is whether that's due to racism by police, more poverty in minority communities, or some other factor/combo of factors.

Or I guess it could be because they commit a disproportionate amount of crime??

[LnGrrrR]

Or I guess it could be because they commit a disproportionate amount of crime??

Hence why I threw in the "other factors" comment. Do you think they commit a disproportionate amount of crime? (Note: the disproportion is quite large.) If so, why do you think that is? Due to poverty? Culture? Or just because they're black?

[fraga]

The head of the NAACP has openly come out and said how they were wrong for firing that lady because of how intentionally deceiving that video was cut...even the "white" farmers that the lady was talking about have even come out and said how she actually saved their farm...case closed...FOX News just doing their job...nothing to see here...

[Mr. Peabody]

The head of the NAACP has openly come out and said how they were wrong for firing that lady because of how intentionally deceiving that video was cut...even the "white" farmers that the lady was talking about have even come out and said how she actually saved their farm...case closed...FOX News just doing their job...nothing to see here...

The problem is that FOX News didn't fire her. The administration is allegedly behind the firing. It seems that they jumped the gun on this one. And now, Vilsack is not willing to reinstate her.

[jack sommerset]

They are not reinstating her because she is a racist who didnot want to help a white farmer the way she knew she could. SO she got him one of his kind to help out. LOL@ that fucking racist losing her job.

[jack sommerset]

Cheers to Barry tonight!

[fraga]

They are not reinstating her because she is a racist who didnot want to help a white farmer the way she knew she could. SO she got him one of his kind to help out. LOL@ that fucking racist losing her job.

Um...no...she's actually NOT a racist...I guess you haven't seen the ENTIRE video...

[spursncowboys]

Well she's not a racist anymore.

[Mr. Peabody]

They are not reinstating her because she is a racist who didnot want to help a white farmer the way she knew she could. SO she got him one of his kind to help out. LOL@ that fucking racist losing her job.

I'd hate to keep you from your quest to purposefully remain uninformed, but she actually got him a Black lawyer who worked on the case for months before he had to withdraw.

[jack sommerset]

Um...no...she's actually NOT a racist...I guess you haven't seen the ENTIRE video...

Umm, yes I did. You can't possible conclude she is no longer a racist by that video. Once a racist always a racist.

[jack sommerset]

I'd hate to keep you from your quest to purposefully remain uninformed, but she actually got him a Black lawyer who worked on the case for months before he had to withdraw.

Sorry buddy but she said white lawyer, not me. One of his kind.

[LnGrrrR]

Sorry buddy but she said white lawyer, not me. One of his kind.

But she tried to get him a black lawyer first, who had to withdraw. Did you read the updated story? That was confirmed by the family of the farmer in the story.

[Wild Cobra]

The head of the NAACP has openly come out and said how they were wrong for firing that lady because of how intentionally deceiving that video was cut...even the "white" farmers that the lady was talking about have even come out and said how she actually saved their farm...case closed...FOX News just doing their job...nothing to see here...
Are you saying they were stupid enough to act without all the facts?

[Mr. Peabody]

Sorry buddy but she said white lawyer, not me. One of his kind.


Spooner told FoxNews.com that Sherrod's story did not "bother" her. She explained that Sherrod did not send them directly to the white lawyer, either -- she said she initially suggested a black lawyer and a white lawyer, and that the couple saw the black lawyer first. After several months, the black lawyer had to withdraw from the case, citing too much workload, Spooner said. The couple then visited the white lawyer, with Sherrod's help, she said.

Spooner said Sherrod did not display discrimination. Asked about the claim that her husband was acting "superior" during that first conversation, Spooner said: "That's just his way."

[fraga]

Are you saying they were stupid enough to act without all the facts?

He even admitted that he was...that they were...that they jumped the gun to try and quickly denounce anything racist...they don't tolerate that...I guess they were just taking the Fox "News" organization reporting a little too serious...

[Wild Cobra]

He even admitted that he was...that they were...that they jumped the gun to try and quickly denounce anything racist...they don't tolerate that...I guess they were just taking the Fox "News" organization reporting a little too serious...
Yea right.

So they are trying to say that the one time they believe Fox News, they were wrong?

Nice try. Something else is going on.

[Mr. Peabody]

Are you saying they were stupid enough to act without all the facts?

Yes. Isn't it ridiculous when people rush to condemn without knowing all of the facts?

[fraga]

Or take a "Most Trusted News agency" to report ALL the facts...

[Wild Cobra]

Or take a "Most Trusted News agency" to report ALL the facts...
LOL...

you guys need to get a clue.

Fox news did not initiate it, and was one of several news sources that played the video.

Liberals light up racial issues with phony tea party racism, then expect for tolerance of that same perception within? Get real.

[fraga]

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Man...just listen to this ranting racist biggot...

[Wild Cobra]

Well, she sure does start in with racial diatribes around three minutes in. How long does it last?

[fraga]

Just watch the whole damn thing!!!

[Wild Cobra]

Just watch the whole damn thing!!!
It's long, I'll get there.

Funny how since was a NAACP function, that they admonished her without knowing the content, then blame Fox for their own stupidity.

It's so cosmical how stupid they think their constituency is.

Here's a paragraph from the original leak of the video:

When this statement was released it seemed very important , after all Ms. Sherrod was speaking at an NAACP function, and while Big Government only had access to the video they released, the NAACP had access to the entire video. Certainty they must have seen the entire video before they condemned Shirley Sherrod. Well Certainly not!

[fraga]

They were very stupid...

[Wild Cobra]

They were very stupid...
Yes, so can everyone stop trying to pin this on Fox news?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I've yet to read this thread and only know of the events as of this point.

I'm betting this is going to be a fun thread as the posts progress.

[Wild Cobra]

As the video comes near a close, my thoughts are that the NAACP raised a stink because she spoke of tolerance and equality. She didn't talk about keeping racism alive. Her words were damaging for the NAACP, especially when she said it was a shame there were no white people in the room.

I didn't like her lead story, dwelling on the past, but I see her as a very open minded woman that blacks should listen to.

"You've got to step up to the plate" and make your own future.

[Mr. Peabody]

As the video comes near a close, my thoughts are that the NAACP raised a stink because she spoke of tolerance and equality. She didn't talk about keeping racism alive. Her words were damaging for the NAACP, especially when she said it was a shame there were no white people in the room.

I didn't like her lead story, dwelling on the past, but I see her as a very open minded woman that blacks should listen to.

"You've got to step up to the plate" and make your own future.

I thought this whole controversy erupted because Breitbart posted an edited video. My mistake. I should have known that this was all the NAACP's fault.

[Wild Cobra]

I thought this whole controversy erupted because Breitbart posted an edited video. My mistake. I should have known that this was all the NAACP's fault.
All media outlets used the same snippet of video. About a 2-1/2 minute segment of the farmer story. Except for being a snippet, I don't think it was edited, as in rearranged, or anything like that.

I can see how she is the scourge of the NAACP. Her vision and words of encouragement to blacks would destroy the purpose of the NAACP.

She seems like a very fine example of an American overall.

My God...

What a concept. Community, responsibility, keep your credit status good...

She should run for congress, maybe president.

[jack sommerset]

If you don't think she is a racist should Barry apologize and give her the job back?

[Mr. Peabody]

All media outlets used the same snippet of video. About a 2-1/2 minute segment of the farmer story. Except for being a snippet, I don't think it was edited, as in rearranged, or anything like that.

I can see how she is the scourge of the NAACP. Her vision and words of encouragement to blacks would destroy the purpose of the NAACP.

She seems like a very fine example of an American overall.

My God...

What a concept. Community, responsibility, keep your credit status good...

She should run for congress, maybe president.
Breitbart himself has admitted it was edited. He's just saying that it was edited before he got it.


The crux of the Shirley Sherrod controversy is what she said outside of the two-minute video clip posted by Big Government -- whether she was, as she claims, telling a story about how she overcame racial prejudice while helping poor farmers in Georgia, or whether the clip is a good encapsulation of her views. So we asked Andrew Breitbart, the founder of Big Government, why he hasn't posted the full video.

"I don't have it," Breitbart told TPMmuckraker in an interview. Breitbart said his source sent him just the edited clips at first, but is in the process of sending the full video.

Breitbart said he'll post the full video, if he can get permission from the video production company who filmed it for a local NAACP chapter. He also maintained that he didn't edit the clip and that it was sent to him already edited.
Apparently Breitbart still feels that Sherrod is a racist.



But even if the full video shows what Sherrod says it does, Breitbart said he's seen enough.

"I think the video speaks for itself," he said. "The way she's talking about white people ... is conveying a present tense racism in my opinion. But racism is in the eye of the beholder."

[Mr. Peabody]

I can see how she is the scourge of the NAACP. Her vision and words of encouragement to blacks would destroy the purpose of the NAACP.


Yes, she's such a scourge that the NAACP has been all over the media today apologizing and calling for her to get her job back.

[Wild Cobra]

Breitbart himself has admitted it was edited. He's just saying that it was edited before he got it.
Sure, it had the transcript of her words added. I didn't notice any editing past it just being a snippit, and the added words. Did you?

Apparently Breitbart still feels that Sherrod is a racist.
Oh well. Maybe he didn't see the whole thing.

[DMX7]

If you don't think she is a racist should Barry apologize and give her the job back?

Obama didn't fire her personally or get consulted on her removal.

And yes, she should get her job back.

[Stringer_Bell]

I didn't like her lead story, dwelling on the past, but I see her as a very open minded woman that blacks should listen to.

Why do you have to specifically state "blacks," why not people in general? Or do you feel white people already understand what she's trying to say and "blacks" actually gotta open their ears?


"You've got to step up to the plate" and make your own future.

An allusion to baseball? You think "blacks" absorb information better when its placed in the context of a sports? Regardless of where the quote came from, you attached your own thoughts to it. I don't think you'd say the same thing to white folks, considering how easily you seperated Sherrod's words as helpful to blacks if they'd only listen.

[Winehole23]

I don't give Wild Cobra credit for much, but he is frank and self-disclosing.

[Winehole23]

Maybe to a fault. He'll tell you what he really thinks.

[Winehole23]

That's not too common.

[v2freak]

Why do you call them "colored"?

What is the preferred / pc term these days?

[Winehole23]

(It's a cut and dried case of anachronism, dude. You're backing a loser.)

[ChumpDumper]

As the video comes near a close, my thoughts are that the NAACP raised a stink because she spoke of tolerance and equality. She didn't talk about keeping racism alive. Her words were damaging for the NAACP, especially when she said it was a shame there were no white people in the room.You're an idiot.

[ChumpDumper]

What is the preferred / pc term these days?What do you call them in front of them?

Tell us all.

[Stringer_Bell]

What do you call them in front of them?

Tell us all.

When I'm in front of "them," I like to call them "them."

http://animatedtv.about.com/library/graphics/ralphnose.jpg

[Winehole23]

I made reference to the "them" locution upstream. I don't think I made any impression at all on CC.

[Winehole23]

I'm curious where he works. He's already given us a clue by telling us he hangs out with unemployed people at the library.Three main choices: librarian, guest, custodian.

[fraga]

Yes, so can everyone stop trying to pin this on Fox news?

Have you seen all the coverage Fox News gave this "edited" video...how they were so outraged and shocked over this admission of an outspoken racist in the administration...almost every bit of crap reporting they were doing was either misleading or flat out un true...I wish people would come to the realization that this network is nothing more than the National Enquirer televised...rather than actual news where reporters actually report factual events...

[DarrinS]

Sucks when the "racism" charge is so loosely and carelessly thrown about, often as a weapon to smear a political opponent, and, in some cases, ending a person's career. The accusation is so potent, that those accused are somewhat defenseless, even in many cases were the evidence is nonexistent or sketchy. When the race card is played, it's not the weight of the evidence that important, but the seriousness of the charge.

Perhaps it will be played with more care from now on? Somehow, I doubt it.

It has been learned recently that members of the listserv "journolist" actively conspired to bury the Jeremiah Wright story AND planned to blast conservatives with charges of racism.

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/07/20/daily-caller-discovers-journolist-plot-to-spike-wright-story-smear-conservatives-as-racists/





And I think this threads the needle. If the right forces us all to either defend Wright or tear him down, no matter what we choose, we lose the game they’ve put upon us. Instead, take one of them — Fred Barnes, Karl Rove, who cares — and call them racists. Ask: why do they have such a deep-seated problem with a black politician who unites the country? What lurks behind those problems? This makes *them* sputter with rage, which in turn leads to overreaction and self-destruction.

[MannyIsGod]

Manufacture a false belief (that only whites can be racist) to feign outrage.

Political Hack Methods 101.

[DarrinS]

Manufacture a false belief (that only whites can be racist).


Who believes that?

[spursncowboys]

Three main choices: librarian, guest, custodian.

guest?

[Wild Cobra]

Why do you have to specifically state "blacks," why not people in general? Or do you feel white people already understand what she's trying to say and "blacks" actually gotta open their ears?

She acknowledged that poverty and problems were not a racial issue, but a class issue. However, she was talking to a black audience and told them it was up to them to make things better. I will agree the population in general is served with her words of wisdom. However, it is primarily blacks who need her encouragement. To know there is a better future if you seek higher goals.

An allusion to baseball? You think "blacks" absorb information better when its placed in the context of a sports? Regardless of where the quote came from, you attached your own thoughts to it. I don't think you'd say the same thing to white folks, considering how easily you seperated Sherrod's words as helpful to blacks if they'd only listen.

It appears you didn't watch the whole thing. I quoted her reference, and added the future part. Those were her words. So you must then ask, does she think "blacks" absorb information better when its placed in the context of a sports?

[Wild Cobra]

guest?

Could just work next door.

[George Gervin's Afro]

She acknowledged that poverty and problems were not a racial issue, but a class issue. However, she was talking to a black audience and told them it was up to them to make things better. I will agree the population in general is served with her words of wisdom. However, it is primarily blacks who need her encouragement. To know there is a better future if you seek higher goals.

It appears you didn't watch the whole thing. I quoted her reference, and added the future part. Those were her words. So you must then ask, does she think "blacks" absorb information better when its placed in the context of a sports?



Wild Cobra-What I see today is that most blacks are racists, and almost no whites are.

[Wild Cobra]

George, you seem to imply that because I recognize statistical reality, I am a racist. Is that your point?

[Supergirl]

In answer to the initial question in this thread: By definition, yes.

Racism=power + prejudice . As in, in order to be "Racist" you have to have be of some privileged class (in this case, white skin) and have prejudicial thoughts about other people. This is Oppression Theory, which came out of the feminist movement of understanding oppression. The same formula can be applied to other privileged classe in this country - economic class, being heterosexual, being Christian, being male.

Thus, a person cannot be "racist" if they lack power and privilege. BUT this does not mean they cannot be prejudiced. We are ALL prejudiced, in some way or another.

[DarrinS]

The NAACP started this crap with their stupid resolution for the Tea Party to rid themselves of racists. What's that old saying about people in glass houses?

Other than busying themselves with idiocy like this and finding phantom racism in Hallmark greeting cards, what exactly does the NAACP do?

[DarrinS]

In answer to the initial question in this thread: By definition, yes.

Racism=power + prejudice . As in, in order to be "Racist" you have to have be of some privileged class (in this case, white skin) and have prejudicial thoughts about other people. This is Oppression Theory, which came out of the feminist movement of understanding oppression. The same formula can be applied to other privileged classe in this country - economic class, being heterosexual, being Christian, being male.

Thus, a person cannot be "racist" if they lack power and privilege. BUT this does not mean they cannot be prejudiced. We are ALL prejudiced, in some way or another.



So, by your definition, that woman is a racist. She has power and prejudice.

[Wild Cobra]

In answer to the initial question in this thread: By definition, yes.

Racism=power + prejudice . As in, in order to be "Racist" you have to have be of some privileged class (in this case, white skin) and have prejudicial thoughts about other people. This is Oppression Theory, which came out of the feminist movement of understanding oppression. The same formula can be applied to other privileged classe in this country - economic class, being heterosexual, being Christian, being male.

Thus, a person cannot be "racist" if they lack power and privilege. BUT this does not mean they cannot be prejudiced. We are ALL prejudiced, in some way or another.
OMG....

You are so wrong!


Racism is the belief that the genetic factors which constitute race are a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.
It has nothing to do with power, money, etc. It is a form of bigotry.

[CuckingFunt]

OMG....

You are so wrong!


It has nothing to do with power, money, etc. It is a form of bigotry.

As I pointed out in a post yesterday, it's an issue of semantics. The use of "racism" as a term to refer specifically to people/actions within the privileged group comes from specific feminist theories that delineate between racism and prejudice.

It's a model not limited to issues of race, either, as it operates similarly to the difference in feminist theory between heterosexism and homophobia.

[Wild Cobra]

The NAACP started this crap with their stupid resolution for the Tea Party to rid themselves of racists. What's that old saying about people in glass houses?

Other than busying themselves with idiocy like this and finding phantom racism in Hallmark greeting cards, what exactly does the NAACP do?
So true, then people wonder what a speaker at a NAACP function becomes a target...

[Wild Cobra]

As I pointed out in a post yesterday, it's an issue of semantics. The use of "racism" as a term to refer specifically to people/actions within the privileged group comes from specific feminist theories that delineate between racism and prejudice.

It's a model not limited to issues of race, either, as it operates similarly to the difference in feminist theory between heterosexism and homophobia.
A square is a rectangle, a rectangle is not a square.

Racism is bigotry, bigotry is not racism.

[George Gervin's Afro]

As I pointed out in a post yesterday, it's an issue of semantics. The use of "racism" as a term to refer specifically to people/actions within the privileged group comes from specific feminist theories that delineate between racism and prejudice.

It's a model not limited to issues of race, either, as it operates similarly to the difference in feminist theory between heterosexism and homophobia.

You are dealing with people who lack critical thinking skills..

[TeyshaBlue]

You are dealing with people who lack critical thinking skills..

Classically, CF is on point. Colloquially, it's a different ballgame. There's been some creep in the meaning over the decades.

[CosmicCowboy]

You guys REALLY think the NAACP came up with this tea party racism shit on their own? This was orchestrated by the White House/DNC as a November 2010 talking point.

Middle America scares the hell out of the Democrats.

[ChumpDumper]

George, you seem to imply that because I recognize statistical reality, I am a racist. Is that your point?His point is because you make up bullshit and call it a statistic, you are an idiot.

[CuckingFunt]

Classically, CF is on point. Colloquially, it's a different ballgame. There's been some creep in the meaning over the decades.

Oh, no doubt. It's an argument/definition based on a specific movement within feminist theory and not necessarily in line with everyone's understanding of the terms. Unless someone spent a lot of time reading intersectional feminist literature, I wouldn't expect them to have a working understanding of the theory or its implications.

My only goal in this thread has been to point out that when people make the argument that people of color are incapable of being racist, it's because of an established argument/definition within feminist theory. It is NOT a suggestion that people of color are wholly incapable of harboring personal prejudices.

[CuckingFunt]

You guys REALLY think the NAACP came up with this tea party racism shit on their own? This was orchestrated by the White House/DNC as a November 2010 talking point.

Middle America scares the hell out of the Democrats.

I don't think the tea party's association with racism needed the NAACP or the "mainstream media" or anything else to develop. After an election in which much of the resistance against Obama was based in secret Muslim associations and secret Kenyan origins, and in which people regularly showed up at rallies with Curious George memorabilia, and an early presidency in which we saw widely circulated photoshopped images of the White House with watermelons growing in the front yard and Obama decked out as an African medicine man...

I personally think it's foolish to label the entire tea party movement as being motivated by issues of race, or to suggest that all of its members are necessarily racist/prejudiced, but to ignore the fact that some of the anti-Obama sentiment is motivated by race would be equally foolish.

[jack sommerset]

I don't think the tea party's association with racism needed the NAACP or the "mainstream media" or anything else to develop. After an election in which much of the resistance against Obama was based in secret Muslim associations and secret Kenyan origins, and in which people regularly showed up at rallies with Curious George memorabilia, and an early presidency in which we saw widely circulated photoshopped images of the White House with watermelons growing in the front yard and Obama decked out as an African medicine man...

I personally think it's foolish to label the entire tea party movement as being motivated by issues of race, or to suggest that all of its members are necessarily racist/prejudiced, but to ignore the fact that some of the anti-Obama sentiment is motivated by race would be equally foolish.

Jesus Christ, you think the tea party people are racist too, for the most part. A few bad seeds and you spring out with watermelons, monkey references, birthers and secret societies to simply say its foolish to label the entire tea party movement racist.

[CuckingFunt]

Jesus Christ, you think the tea party people are racist too, for the most part. A few bad seeds and you spring out with watermelons, monkey references, birthers and secret societies to simply say its foolish to label the entire tea party movement racist.

Not quite, but nice try.

[Stringer_Bell]

It appears you didn't watch the whole thing. I quoted her reference, and added the future part. Those were her words. So you must then ask, does she think "blacks" absorb information better when its placed in the context of a sports?

AHA! I knew you'd use that excuse so I mentioned that you attached your own thoughts to her quote. You expanded upon it with your own words in a way you want blacks (not people in general, but blacks) to hear it. :downspin:

Also, to the Faux News haters, this is one case that you can't pin on them. I saw it everywhere but with them and everyone was freaked out by her comments. If Fuax is guilty of anything, it's not showing the "really good parts" of the full video, but that's after the fact and should be expected.

[Wild Cobra]

Jesus Christ, you think the tea party people are racist too, for the most part. A few bad seeds and you spring out with watermelons, monkey references, birthers and secret societies to simply say its foolish to label the entire tea party movement racist.
On top of that, refering to him as a Muslim has nothing to do with racism, but the past ties he has, his middle name, and the appearance because of current Jihad activities. It's a poke at him, but not a racist poke. The fact that people recoil when you use his middle name makes it even more fun to do so.

[Galileo]

[QUOTE]

MSNBC’s Fake Transcript of the Rand Paul Interview

[QUOTE]Rachel Maddow is a lying weasel. She and her network issued a FAKE TRANSCRIPT of the Rand Paul interview, which was then repeated by all the other lying weasels in the “mainstream” media, and they refuse to apologize for their lies.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/58246.html

:lmao

[Winehole23]

^^^possibly unrelated to the thread?

[Wild Cobra]

MSNBC’s Fake Transcript of the Rand Paul Interview



http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/58246.html

:lmao
Yes, the video is telling. He was misquoted.

Will there ever be an apology? I really doubt it. The left cannot admit to making a mistake except against their own.

6VGdP2mNPeo

Above video with time index at 8 min 1 sec (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VGdP2mNPeo#t=8m1s).